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February 2005
"I've only met a couple of murderers"
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Ann Cleeves: "Both murderers were pathetic, inadequate men, very boring."
She's worked as a probation officer, a cook at a bird observatory and a coastguard. But now Ann Cleeves has settled in Huddersfield and makes her living as a crimewriter. Her new book, Telling Tales, is out now and we caught up with her to find out more!
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How far would you say that crime fiction is a very convenient genre which can be used to look at lots of different issues, usually the darker side?

Yes, I think that's right. People like a strong story and there's a feeling that most contemporary fiction doesn't have much of a plot. That's wrong because most books do, but there's an idea that they're going to be difficult and inaccessible whereas crime does have a strong plot so people find it very easy to get into it. There are different themes, and in the case of Telling Tales the theme is the fictions that we all create for ourselves to justify what we've done but which we're also slightly ashamed of - the fictions we create to explain ourselves or make ourselves more palatable to the rest of the world. All the time we're working what we do into some sort of story.

Do you think you have a sense of the dark side of things, the 'gothic'?

I don't think so really. I was reading gothic novels for work at Huddersfield - we work closely with Bagshaw Museum. The manager there used to work at Haworth and does have a sense of the Brontes and the gothic. He loves gothic novels so we decided to write one in a day! We had about a dozen people and everybody brought a chapter along.

You've done so many things and worked in so many different places, has the experience you've gained from all of that helped in your writing?

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Humber: "I used to watch the pilot go out and pick up the huge ships"

Yes, it must do. I'm fascinated with other people's working lives, it's a sort of intense nosiness! I love it when it's the time of year when it's getting dark but people still forget to close their curtains and you can see glimpses of other people's lives. In Telling Tales there's a Humber [river] pilot - I was just so fascinated about that job. I used to stand on Spurn Point and watch the pilot launches go out and they'd pick up the huge container ships. I was fascinated about how it all worked and what happened. I got a lot of help from a retired Humber pilot who was able to talk about it.

What about the police? Have you had any advice from them?

I've pretty much made it up as I've gone along! On a real police investigation there's such a big team, and with the books I write it's very much about the relationship between the central character and the suspects - or possibly the central character and one sidekick. I know it's not going to be particularly accurate. If there are some technical details, then I can make use of the fact that I belong to the Crimewriters' Association which has quite a few ex-cops as members. We meet up and people like Peter Walker - who wrote the books on which Heartbeat is based - are just really helpful. You can ring them up and ask, 'What would you really do in this situation?'

Earlier you mentioned another book you've already finished. What's that all about?

Well, I've just finished the first draft of a book set in Shetland which I think will be called Fire And Ice. Perhaps it's because of the landscape, but I think for this one I've been influenced by the sparseness of some of the Norwegian writers like Karin Fossum. If you're looking for a great Norwegian writer then there's also a woman called Kjersti Scheen. In her book called Final Curtain she's got a wonderful central character with a teenage kid who's much more moral and upright than she is. She drinks too much vodka and she's desperate for a bloke but it has a great sense of place. She's a wonderful new Norwegian writer!

So what's the theme for this book?

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Shetland: "It's a very closed community"

It's about outsiders. Shetland is a very closed community, so much so that some of the people who have lived there for generations are still outsiders. I lived on Fair Isle, one of the Shetland Isles, for two years, two long seasons. I still have friends there and go back. The book was started around New Year 2004 when we'd gone up there just for a day to see these friends. We travelled overnight on the boat from Aberdeen, 13 hours, and we just had a day before coming back. It was wonderfully clear and it had snowed. It was very white and there were no trees, part of the sea had frozen in the inlets, the 'voes', and the black ravens were playing against the snow. I thought that if you had the red of blood alongside the snow you had the classic myths, all those classic stories like Snow White and all that. And that's how it started.

The BIG question: is it possible to make a living from being a crimewriter?
I'm sure people do. I think we do better than poets. It's really a case of 'just about'!

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