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Robin Lustig | 22:27 UK time, Monday, 22 June 2009

I suggested on this blog three weeks ago that you should keep an eye on the Proliferation Security Initiative.

This is why. The John S McCain (it's a US warship, not the former Presidential candidate) is shadowing a North Korean cargo vessel believed to be carrying arms to Burma.

I thought you'd want to know.

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  • 1. At 02:08am on 23 Jun 2009, BillKeller wrote:

    We must contain this cabal until it collapses within as it will with time. No shipments should pass.

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  • 2. At 11:00pm on 23 Jun 2009, lordBeddGelert wrote:

    Yikes !! I find it tiresome that while the Daily Telegraph is worrying about duck houses, and the Graun is worrying about some poor diddums that has had a chinese burn off a copper after the Kingsnorth protests, the real problems, such as this one, escape our attention.

    Well, not if you read and listen to Robin Lustig obviously, but surely this stuff needs to be moved up the batting order of the news agenda ?

    Mind you, it is Wimbledon Fortnight, so Iran and North Korea could work together to wipe Israel off the map / push it into the sea and coverage would have to wait until Andy Murray's involvement with the competition would have ended...

    Mind you, I blame the 'Cold War' - we are so used to being the ones who 'grew up tall and proud, under the shadow of a mushroom cloud' that we cannot really care about it anymore - and anyway all we think about now is global warming...

    Mind you, if the US nuked North Korea and we nuked Iran, the dust cloud would keep global warming at bay for a couple of years as the sun would be blotted out, and we'd kill two birds with one stone...

    Keep up the good work Mr Lustig...

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  • 3. At 11:16am on 24 Jun 2009, RollerballRocco wrote:

    I don't understand why people don't see the root problem as it really is. For example, Zimbabwe and North Korea are both problems that can be relatively quickly solved. However, it is South Africa and China who don't want the problem solved. It seems to me that they nurture and sustain the problems on their borders on order to distract attention from their own shortcomings.

    With hindsight the leadership of Ian Smith was immeasurably better than Mugabe.

    The Chinese claiming they don't want Korean refugees flooding over the border. Given the chance ALL refugees would flood into South Korea. The fact is that China nurtures and sustains the chaos in North Korea simply to prevent a unified Korea being an economic threat, in the future.

    Both China and South Africa could stop providing power and trade and bring both these rouge nations to heel in weeks, but they nurture chaos, starvation, sickness and poverty.

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  • 4. At 4:20pm on 24 Jun 2009, Richard_SM wrote:



    How dare North Korea sell arms to unsavoury regimes.

    Don't they know that's the preserve of the five Security Council members?

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  • 5. At 7:14pm on 24 Jun 2009, Rustigjongens wrote:

    Richard_SM,

    I suppose that it is okay for North Korea to explode atomic bombs, I suppose it is okay for them to also threaten South Korea, Japan and the rest of South Asia by firing rockets?.

    Do keep up Richard, whilst you may still think that poor little North Korea is being unfairly highlighted, the rest of the world is fed up with them and their pathetic group of apologists.

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  • 6. At 8:01pm on 24 Jun 2009, A_View_From_France wrote:

    Poster 4, what planet do you inhabit?, are you aware of the daily struggle that North Koreans face just to eat?, or their total lack of freedom?.

    Your brainless defence of North Korea makes me wonder if you currently reside in some La La Land.

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  • 7. At 00:00am on 25 Jun 2009, Richard_SM wrote:


    Ref 5. Rustigjongens

    Ref 6. A_View_From_France


    Have I hit a raw nerve?

    The truth has clearly hurt you.

    You've both descended into insults, losing any ground you had by demeaning yourselves in this way. That's a problem you'll have to look within to resolve.

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  • 8. At 00:06am on 25 Jun 2009, Richard_SM wrote:


    Robin,

    Outstanding interview with Michael Mates tonight.

    I'm not sure we need much of an inquiry after your interview with him!

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  • 9. At 11:43am on 25 Jun 2009, Isenhorn wrote:

    Rustigjongens,

    'I suppose that it is okay for North Korea to explode atomic bombs, I suppose it is okay for them to also threaten South Korea, Japan and the rest of South Asia by firing rockets?.'

    No, it is not OK. Exploding atomic bombs, firing rockets, threatening and invading other countries is also reserved only for the US of A.

    P.S. You must be really scared off of the BIG, BAD North Korean ROCKETS! Get some nuts, man!

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  • 10. At 12:51pm on 25 Jun 2009, A_View_From_France wrote:

    Poster 9,

    To add to your rather limited list of countries that have invaded others in the last 30 years:

    Poland, Russia, Iraq, Denmark, Israel, Eriteria, Eithiopia...etc etc.

    Funny how you seem fixated on the US of A !!, get some education, man !.

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  • 11. At 1:06pm on 25 Jun 2009, Isenhorn wrote:

    poster 10,

    Oh really? And how many of these countries have used an atomic bomb? How many of these countries are presently leading wars in not one but two separate countries at the same time? And how many countries are actually firing rockets from drones at other countries, with which they are not even at war with?

    Perhaps you need to get some education!

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  • 12. At 1:24pm on 25 Jun 2009, Isenhorn wrote:

    poster 9,

    P.S.

    And where exactly is North Korea on the list of invader countries in the last 30 years?

    Yet you seem strangely fixated on it.

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  • 13. At 3:32pm on 25 Jun 2009, A_View_From_France wrote:

    Poster 12,

    I mentioned North Korea twice in my orignal post, which funny enough is relevant as the original post by Mr Lustig is on....North Korea.

    You said that invading countries was the reserve of the US of A, I just pointed out that many other countries have done the same, which disproves your original post.

    I think it is you that is fixated, fixated with ignoring what I said and spinning your comments to fit your own narrative.

    I would also like to point out that I made no reference of atomic bombs (that was another poster).

    As you would have noted if you had bothered to read my post, I do not mention North Korea as one of the countries that had invaded another country (again you make up your own argumentation), I was responding to your comment about the USA being the only country invading others.

    You can spin and distort comments as much as you like, however it just makes you look silly, and silly you are.

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  • 14. At 4:42pm on 25 Jun 2009, Isenhorn wrote:

    poster 13,

    You are desperatly trying to get out of a corner into which you brought yourself.
    My first post dealt with the comparison of the hypothetical threat posed by North Korea as opposed to the very real threat by the USA, the foremost country when it comes to invading other countries, and the country that has consistently proven itself to be very adept at waging war based on false claims.
    Yet, for some reason you chose to jump into the topic and defend the very poor peace record of the US by bringing as an example other countries, regardless of their relevance. When your argument was rendered void, you suddenly started wondering why the discussion has gone this way. Why indeed? Perhaps you need to think of what you want to say before start writing. Going with the flow, and using arguments that do not stand to scrutiny is never a good strategy. Neither is using abusive personal remarks to disguise the weakness of your logic.

    Now, if you want to have a proper discussion on whether North Korea is indeed a threat to the world peace, or whether it is small potatoes compared to the USA, then I will be happy to dispute with you. If however you intend to continue with the personal fewd than I do not want any part of it any more.

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  • 15. At 8:16pm on 25 Jun 2009, A_View_From_France wrote:

    Poster 14,

    Do you really think that ignoring the facts and continuing to spout your bizzare interpretation of the truth works?.

    Please go and reread your entries, you will see that you have just made assertion after assertion without any foundation.

    You started with what you call a personal feud, and if you do not like to be corrected then by all means blog elsewhere.

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  • 16. At 08:12am on 26 Jun 2009, Isenhorn wrote:

    Poster 15,

    Suit yorself. I have wasted enough time with you.

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  • 17. At 01:34am on 28 Jun 2009, MarcusAureliusII wrote:

    You really have to wonder what the American government has been waiting for all these years. Given enough time both North Korea and Iran will figure out how to make nuclear weapons that work, delivery systems that can reach the US, and will attack. North Korea's government repeated just this week that he wants to attack America with nuclear weapons while Iran's President said he wants a world without America. The US has the means but it never seems to have the will to respond. In fact the governments of neither of these countries have paid any price for their policies although their populations have suffered from UN declared embargos. The US does not need anyone's permission to do whatever it deems necessary to eliminate the clear and growing threat from these two nations. Every day that passes without an effective countermeasure puts the American people at greater risk. Will North Korea actually have to launch a nuclear attack on San Francisco before the US government decides it's had enough? In this regard, none of our recent governments going back to at least President Clinton's administration and maybe a lot further have shown the spine and grit to do what eventually will have to be done anyway. The lesson of the events leading to WWII have been forgotten in the US now even as the lessons of events leading to the great depression were forgotten. As Santyana has said, those who do not learn the lessons of history are condemned to repeat them.

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