Is the Arizona immigration law racist?

A new law in Arizona which will allow police to stop anyone they think is an illegal immigrant is causing uproar.
The President of Mexico says it is discriminatory, protesters have smeared refried bean swastikas on the Arizona state Capitol buildings and many are calling for boycotts of the state, including the county of San Francisco, rapper Chuck D, and this sport's writer who's boycotting the Arizona Diamondbacks baseball team.
It's estimated that almost half a million illegal immigrants live in Arizona. The new law makes it a state crime to be in the country illegally and immigrants who can't produce documents showing they are allowed to be in the U.S. could be jailed for up to six months and fined $2,500.
Richard Adams says the law is anti-immigrant, borderline racist, wide-open to abuse and unconstitutional. He uses the example of the first person to be arrested after the new law was signed: a truck driver who looks like he could be Mexican but who is actually a US citizen. The man was told he did not have enough paperwork on him when he pulled in to have his truck checked. He provided his commercial driver's license and a social security number but was still handcuffed. Is racial profiling racist?
But the new law has it's defenders. Senator McCain said it's a national security issue and is not intended to violate anyone's civil rights, adding "The people in Southern Arizona have had their rights violated by the unending and constant flow of drug smugglers and human traffickers across their property".
According to Leo W. Banks drug cartels have taken over the people-smuggling business: "They own the trails into the country and dominate the land, the same way urban gangs control neighbourhoods" and he thinks the majority of Arizona residents support the law.
Is the Arizona immigration law racist?
Comment number 1.
At 10:33 27th Apr 2010, Klasco wrote:Surely it merges state law with federal law so that state police can arrest illegals nothing more nothing less. Illegal immigrants are illegal and police still need probable cause and reason to check someone. They will not go around asking everybody whether they are illegal or not. Unless they see illegal behavior, scan identity say if you get pulled over for speeding and find problems or working in suspect workplace known to have had illegals or reports of them etc. This doesn't even compare to what Nazi's did not even remotely. {from what i have heard about this bill having not read it top to bottom]
All it does is allow state police to be able do what the federal police can do in this area from what i understand.
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At 10:43 27th Apr 2010, modernJan wrote:Granting police the authority to ask any suspected illegal immigrant to show their ID isn't racist in itself, but of course it could result in many hispanics getting asked about their ID. Perhaps the law would be complete if the police also had the authority to go through the finances of any person suspected of employing illegal immigrants. However, in a way they already do have that authority, yet we don't see the police going about asking anyone making over $50.000 to show their financial records. So a lot of it depends on the actual execution of the law (maybe they'll only act during investigations, maybe they'll only approach people who do not speak English and have a low paid job).
In many European countries the police are allowed to ask anyone to show their ID at random, but they seldomly do (it's never happened to me or any of my friends, even the ones that aren't white).
The million dollar question is: do we only ban laws that are racist or do we ban every law that might affect some ethnicities more than others (pretty much every law there is)?
In any case it's got little do with racism and much to do with economics (it costs border states untold amounts to police their borders, take care of illegal immigrants and fight the crime they bring with them).
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At 12:55 27th Apr 2010, Pink Muslimah wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/worldhaveyoursay/2010/04/is_the_arizona_immigration_law.html#210460
I plan to boycott Arizona and other places around the US and the world which might install similarly anti-immigrant legislation. These places simply won't see my travel dollars. There is no place for this kind of xonophobia in a supposedly free and democratic world. The US especially has no excuse at all, since most of us - except Native Americans - are illegal colonists or settlers, anyway. In addition, how many of us can claim to look up ancestral census records and not encounter a single "al" among their ancestors or relatives? One of my mother's professors would not have lived to become a professor if her family hadn't immigrated illegally, as the US turned away boatloads of Jewish refugees from Europe. We're better off getting rid of nonsensical trade agreements such as NAFTA, CAFTA, and the lot of them which disenfranchise workers throughout America and Latin America than trying to keep out people who just want to work and support their families. What would Jesus (or Muhammad, or the Buddha, etc.) do?
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At 13:03 27th Apr 2010, Webb of Deceit - Not606 when 606 shuts wrote:"The new law makes it a crime to be in the country illegally"
Eh? It's already a crime. You clearly don't realise this.
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At 13:03 27th Apr 2010, patti in cape coral wrote:Yup, it's pretty close to racist.
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Comment number 6.
At 14:18 27th Apr 2010, John in Lake Oswego wrote:About 20 years ago the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that police don't have the authority to ask for anyone's ID at random without probable cause and that was based on a California case of a black man who had been asked to show ID 4 to 5 times a day for several months.
This law is clearly racist and will never hold up in court.
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Comment number 7.
At 14:37 27th Apr 2010, modernJan wrote:"These places simply won't see my travel dollars. There is no place for this kind of xonophobia in a supposedly free and democratic world."
There are several billion people (and that number is growing rapidly) who want to come to the North America or Europe, most are poor, do not share our western values and are uneducated (and the poorest who need help the most don't have money to pay the smugglers so they'll never reach the West, while for everyone who reaches the West more than one baby gets born to take their place so it's not helping those countries either). To put it simply: there is nothing for them in the West, only menial jobs or reliance on social programs. If we let them all in you wouldn't have to worry about your travel dollars because you wouldn't have any. Immigration curbing is necessary and has nothing to do with xenophobia, only with trying to keep North America and Europe from becoming like Latin America or Africa themselves. Of course there should be a line of what measures you can and cannot take, but nobody would gain anything if the third world dragged the West down with it through means of mass immigration.
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Comment number 8.
At 15:09 27th Apr 2010, T wrote:Just like your Good Samaritan story, this is another deny reality situation.
Of course this is racist. Can you name one white person that's been stopped by U.S. police for being an illegal immigrant? No you can't.
Illegals come from many other countries besides Mexico. But McCain knows that that doesn't sell this law.
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Comment number 9.
At 15:17 27th Apr 2010, T wrote:Since this involves race, let's go a step further. There's a large number of mixed-background Americans. Which means that there are light and dark skinned Latinos.
Are AZ. cops trained to diffentiate between light and dark-skinned Latinos? Are all 12 million illegals in the U.S. dark-skinned? Also, how do Latino cops in AZ. feel about this?
More U.S. citizens will be stopped and jailed bcause of this idiotic law.
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Comment number 10.
At 15:30 27th Apr 2010, patti in cape coral wrote:The problem with this is that only brown (tan) people will be stopped and asked for papers, and it will end up infringing on the rights of US citizens, because at least a few US citizens are a shade of brown. I wonder what the criteria is for suspecting someone is illegal besides skin color. Are they going to go by facial features, or language spoken, or if they speak english with an accent?
I have a better solution. Since statistics (what a joke) always say that undocumented immigrants create the majority of crime, just concentrate on stopping the criminals and deporting them, and you will end up getting rid of all the undocumented people.
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Comment number 11.
At 15:51 27th Apr 2010, Myra_B wrote:Ahhh the land of dreams and opportunities....
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Comment number 12.
At 15:51 27th Apr 2010, Robyn Lexington KY wrote:Arizona is at the front of the immigration problem with the Mexicans. I think it came about out of frustration because the federal government has done nothing to address this problem. It sounds like the law can be used to profile races. The Drug cartels are very violent and scary. While I think the problem is complex, I am not sure this is the solution. I think all the ilegals should be registered and given work permits. Then their pay can be taxed and they can pay for medical care. There are many jobs that they do in the state of Kentucky that no one else will do these days. So I don't see why people say they are stealing jobs. Majority of them are hard workers and family people. Issue work permits so people can be registered and have them go through the same processes as anyone else to become a citizen.
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Comment number 13.
At 17:11 27th Apr 2010, Bert wrote:People throw out the "racist" label in order to vilify what they don't like.
The law in Arizona applies to illegal immigrants. There is no stipulation that they must be a different "race," whatever that is. It's true that the majority of illegals are from Central America rather than, say, Chile or Argentina, but it would also apply to Chileans and Argentines, and anyone else. If you saw an average Argentine, I doubt very much that anyone could credibly use the "racist" label.
Fundamantally, though, this is a matter of a situation gone out of control, in the border states, and the feds doing nothing about it. States have a right to protect their borders with another country. That should be the job of the federal govt. Starting with Ronald Reagan, no administration, Democrat or Republican, has done a thing to control the situation. Many European countries are grappling with precisely this same problem.
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At 17:12 27th Apr 2010, Elias wrote:It is far from being racist, the President of Mexico is trying to make political capital in his statement, nothing more nothing less. The huge problems facing the people of Arizona, with the influx of illegal immigrants is cause for great concern to them. Is there any country that would accept mass illegal immigrants into their country, name one if you can. The President of Mexico should endeavour to improve the lot of his people by creating jobs and aim his attentions to surpressing the illegal drug trade and bringing it to an end. It is no wonder why mexicans are fleeing his country to get into the USA.
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Comment number 15.
At 17:24 27th Apr 2010, Bert wrote:Robyn, the problem is, "have them go through the same processes as anyone else to become a citizen" is a lenghy process, and most likely would result in rejection. It's not so easy to gain access legally. You need to have a job, a sponsor, and generally prove that you won't be a burden to the economy. Gaining entry to do unskilled labor is simply difficult.
I admit, when I need work done in or around my house, I've been most satisfied with the results when the workers were recent mnmigrants, legal or (I wouldn't be a bit surprised) otherwise, most of whom don't speak English. It's obvious, though, that those jobs would be going to citizens if illegals weren't available. The conundrum being, they wouldn't be done as well if done by local unskilled labor. That's been my observation.
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Comment number 16.
At 17:28 27th Apr 2010, John wrote:To consider the Arizona law racist is a pathetic ploy to divert attention away from the fact that entering a country without permission is illegal. It is illegal in Mexico. It is illegal in every country. I can't think of a single country that allows entry without the government knowledgeable about the fact.
If a person enters a movie theater without paying, is it racist if they are arrested? If a person trespasses on the grounds of the White House, is that racist? If someone kills deer out of season and arrested, is that racist? If an illegal alien is stopped for speeding with no insurance (common enough in Oregon), is it racist to send him back to Mexico? If illegal aliens get in-state tuition, then why do foreign students in the US legally pay out-of-state tuition?
Arizona is literally experiencing a plague of illegal entry. Arizona has become one of the prime gateways to all of America and probably Canada. Things are so bad that illegal Mexicans who can't speak a word of English are operating drug operations in our national parks. In places illegal aliens are over running hospitals never designed to deal with such influxes. Illegals do not pay enough in taxes to support their "hard work".
the great irony is that a Mexican can sneak across the US or Canadian border and all of a sudden becomes a "minority". As for racism, one should take up the issue of racism IN Mexico concerning Indians vs those of Spanish decent. Mexico has lots of racism. It also has a long internal history of violence and corruption. If Mexicans love their country they'll stay home and fix it.
This law is not about racism.
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Comment number 17.
At 17:43 27th Apr 2010, Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote:Perhaps the lefties should volunteer to pay more taxes to pay for the services that illegal immigrants use that they don't pay federal taxes for? That's the least you could do, but I know you won't.
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Comment number 18.
At 18:13 27th Apr 2010, patti in cape coral wrote:@Steve - An immigration official tried to use that sad old story about illegal immigrants not paying taxes to prevent my husband from coming back home, but because my husband always paid his taxes this official was not able to keep him from coming home, although he was successful in keeping us apart for years. He was reprimanded for the nasty letter he sent us, but it doesn't make up for the years lost. There is a lot of ignorance about illegal immigrants and taxes, but at least you're in good company, DHS and USIS don't know much about it either.
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Comment number 19.
At 18:14 27th Apr 2010, patti in cape coral wrote:BTW - Just because there is a lot of racism in Mexico, doesn't make it right there, or anywhere else.
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Comment number 20.
At 18:15 27th Apr 2010, dennisjunior1 wrote:Claudia:
Is the Arizona immigration law racist?
No, I think that the United States (Federal) government needs to passed this type of legislation....Although, I don't like racial profiling--In certain cases, there should be legal exceptions given to allow the authorities to get rid of *illegal* immigrants out of the country in a prompt fashion....
(D)
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Comment number 21.
At 18:33 27th Apr 2010, Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote:So what other laws should we choose not to enforce?
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Comment number 22.
At 18:47 27th Apr 2010, Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote:People being paid under the table don't pay federal income taxes. But they b enefit from federal tax dollars. If you are in such favor of illegal immigration, why dont you then volunteer to pay higher taxes to make up for the lack of taxes they pay?
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At 18:56 27th Apr 2010, Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote:Maybe the US should become more like the socialist utopia of North Korea and treat people who cross in illegally like NK does???
After all, the left does want us to be socialist, so lets treat people how the socialists treat them?
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Comment number 24.
At 19:18 27th Apr 2010, CD wrote:No one disagrees that illegal immigration needs to be curbed but at the same time immigration reform needs to take place simultaneously. Go to any high school in the USA and ask the kids if after they graduate how many of them would like to make a career in mowing laws, fixing roofs, picking fruits in farms, and several other so called menial jobs that immigrants currently occupy in the states, if the answer is not 0% it is very close to it. Most of the people living in the USA shop at Wal-Mart at some point of time in their lives, majority of the things sold at Wal-Mart are made overseas. People don't care, they are looking for the best deal. So basically it is OK to buy product made by these foreigners which is costing American job already. But the argument for immigration control if these same people work in USA they are taking American jobs, the answer is NO, those jobs won't be American jobs if it was not for them to begin with, it would have already been outsourced. Some might argue that for jobs involved with farming, building houses and mowing lawns which a lot of undocumented immigrants do would still go to hard working Americans. In fact it might become so expensive that most people won’t live in houses but move in condominiums/flats that would need less maintenance, have colorful rocks in their lawn instead of grass and there won’t be an incentive for farmers to grow crops because their margins are so low they would just rather how livestock on their fields and eat the meat. In Texas it is a true story for thousands of farms.
What we need a better law and order and not a discriminatory system.
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Comment number 25.
At 19:20 27th Apr 2010, CD wrote:The problem with this law is that it will lead to discrimination and that's the fundamental problem with the law.
In USA even a visitor who might have entered the country legally at one point but overstayed their visa could have a state driver's license with a picture ID. So unless everyone is carrying with them their passports or birth certificates no one can know if you here in the country legally.
So to every parent that is expecting a child, once you have a baby among the first things you do apart from getting a birth certificate and social security number get a passport as well. If you are pulled over for speeding and you cannot present documents your child is here in the country legally they might just imprison the baby for 6 months and fine him/her $2500.
To all women, you better be careful when you change purses and forget to carry your passport with you or else your night out with your girlfriends can land you in the jail.
Why don't we just brand everyone who is in the country legally like we brand cows and horses then there wouldn’t be a need to carry documentation. Oh, I forget what if that was counterfeited?!?!
Don't you get it, people have always moved, and people will always move looking for water, food, green pastures, jobs or because of political unrest, religious prosecution, war, flood, famine, etc. You can make walls as high as you like or dig moats as deep as you want. Immigration/migration/movement of people and goods won't ever stop.
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Comment number 26.
At 20:28 27th Apr 2010, Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote:Illegal immigrants are not limited to washing dishes, picking strawberries, etc.. They completely dominate the construction industry, which is good paying work. I do not remember the last time I saw a construction worker that spoke English here in the DC area. I guarantee you, if you go to any construction site here in the DC area, English will not be spoken there. Now perhaps I'm wrong to assume that they are illegally here because they aren't speaking English, but.... I still think I'm probably right.
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At 21:54 27th Apr 2010, Another Opinion wrote:This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.
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Comment number 28.
At 22:32 27th Apr 2010, Guillermo wrote:The question should be:¿ "The traffic of arms to Mexico and the millions of consumers of drugs is illegal? Surely how come that drugs travel safely through USA and that Joe Arpaio doesn´t do anything about. The fire arms that the Army of USA are sold like candies and driven toward the USA Customs and pass the sophisticated electronic devices that detect drugs and fire arms to stop terrorism is not illegal. It is a corruption of the USA authorities who manage to look the other way when this happens. 22000 deaths is the toll in Mexico for this "fun" in USA. Poverty and violence is a primordial cause of inmigration. The pilgrims were illegal inmigrants. When the native try to stop them the armies of England, France, Spain were ordered to eliminate the natives of North America. Then Arizona has people that are aliens to the continent.
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Comment number 29.
At 15:04 28th Apr 2010, patti in cape coral wrote:@ John: "If a person enters a movie theater without paying, is it racist if they are arrested?"
It is racist if you do not know which one person did not pay and check only the brown-skinned people for receipts (also very bad for business if you have a lot of brown-skinned clientele). If you know exactly which person did not pay and single him out, then it is not racist. If you check everyone equally, it is not racist. If you decide you are just going to let it go, it is not racist, but very bad for business
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Comment number 30.
At 19:13 28th Apr 2010, wisegal wrote:The point that those who are frustrated about the immigration problem as it affects Arizona seem to miss is that the new law does not really address the immigration problem. Now, if you arrested and jailed all *employers* that hire illegal immigrants, I guarantee you there would be a huge drop in illegal immigration. But that would be even more politically unpopular. So we end up with this law which subjects brown-skinned Arizonans to more scrutiny than any other group. That's why people are calling it racist. Given the "Mexican-looking" truck driver who is actually a US Citizen but was harassed and detained until his citizenship could be proven and and an "Irish-looking" illegal immigrant, the reality is the "Mexican-looking" guy is more likely to be pulled over and harassed even though he is a citizen and the other person is illegal. Most people who are fine with this happening to a fellow citizen will never have to experience that humiliation. Note that his driver's license was not considered sufficient evidence of being in Arizona legally - most citizens don't go about with their birth certificates or passports, I know I don't.
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Comment number 31.
At 03:15 29th Apr 2010, Pink Muslimah wrote:Kill NAFTA, and get rid of Western economic interferism, and watch illegal immigration slow to a trickle. They come here because our corporations went there and wiped out their economies and environment.
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Comment number 32.
At 13:01 29th Apr 2010, clamdip lobster claws wrote:This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.
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Comment number 33.
At 15:22 29th Apr 2010, Jon wrote:Yes,in my opinion,it is racist. Here in the US,most "illegals" are seen as being Hispanic (or Hispanic-looking) so the people impacted by this bill will mostly be Hispanic..or Hispanic-looking.
How would that possible stop illegal immigrants who DON'T look Hispanic?
Haven't we learned that singling out one group causes problems for all groups? While I don't agree w/ illegal immigration,I don't see discriminatory legislation as a solution.
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At 15:23 29th Apr 2010, modernJan wrote:"They come here because our corporations went there and wiped out their economies and environment."
That's ridiculous, what really happens is that the parent nations of the companies get higher unemployment rates and lower standard of living (in most Western countries nowadays two people have to work to create the wealth for their family that in the past could be bought with just one salary). Meanwhile business is booming in the third world (their growth rates are much higher than those of the Western countries and living standards are improving because jobs get outsourced to their countries). Only the countries that reject "Western economic interferism" are doing bad (North Korea, Cuba, Zimbabwe).
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Comment number 35.
At 16:39 29th Apr 2010, shinojosa wrote:What all of these comments and many of these stories fails to point out is that this is not a illegal immigration issue it is a story about the rights of citizens being violated. My father's family has been American since the Texas-Mexico boarder "moved". My mother was a legal resident from 1964 until her death in 2009. My son's and I are American citizens too many generations removed to count. I am not an Immigrant my kids are not immigrants. Millions of people are legal residents. So what does an Illegal immigrant look like? If the answer is they are brown, what constitutes proper documentation? Would my driver's license suffice? Would my kids and I have to carry our birth certificates around with us? What if we simply forget them that day or we misplaced them? This law states that we would face up to 6 mos in jail if we failed to produce them. I am fairly sure that my British immigrant friends would never be asked to produce documentation. This is racial profiling, it is racist and it is a violation of the U.S constitution and my rights as a citizen.
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Comment number 36.
At 04:22 1st May 2010, ARIZONOT wrote:Hmmm Elections??? Never ceases to amaze me what politicians will do to get their seat! Of course the majority of voters in az are Anglo-Americans, so what better way to bring them on board than to try to eliminate their number one nemesis "Ilegals" aka Hispanics(there's a fine line between the two,very fine).Not Terrorists,Murdurers,Bank Robbers,Bank CEOs,or criminals.
And of course who cares if we have to ask the millions of legal look-a-likes for their "papers". I myself will surely be pulled over at some point because of my natural accent,skin color,complexion,truck i drive.It doesn't matter that i've never commited a crime or that i love this country and used to love this City and State,i fit the profile so im going to be under close supervision as i live my life here.
So many Anglo-Americans feel so much hate towards Hispanics i dont understand why.We breath the same air,drink the same water,the banks dont care who or what you are or look like,they'll forclose on you or take your car as soon as you stop paying.Those Speed Cameras on the freeways give as all tickets all in the same.Toughen Border secutity and use your intelligent rocket scientist minds to create some sort of a worker plan or something similar that will help our relations.!
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Comment number 37.
At 20:16 3rd May 2010, Another Opinion wrote:If Arizona had 500,000 illegal immigrants from Quebec or Germany, plus a 1.5 million of their children in Arizona, demanding French or German services, then Arizona would be looking at them. But that's not the case. For those of you who say only the brown people will be asked for papers, maybe it's because 99% of the illegal population there is brown and speaks only Spanish. This is common sense. The Arizona law says only that if you are doing something illegal and the police suspects you're in the country illegally, he can ask you for proof. A drivers license would suffice if issued from a state that checks legal status, which includes 42 of the 50 states. The scare tactics are coming from people who do not want ANY immigration laws enforced. You can be a legal hispanic in Arizona and have no fear of this law. If, on the other hand you speak no english, have no id, and cannot provide the police with any information on who you are, committing a crime and have 20 people with you doing the same, then you may have to take a ride down to the police station. Remember, police, through the wonders of computers can bring up in their squad cars a copy of your drivers license with your picture on it. So even if you have no id on you, give them your name and address and they can determine if you are who you say you are. If you're a tourist, you have nothing to fear.
Stop with the scare tactics. This is a good law that will help Arizona get rid of unwanted squatters in their state who are sucking the life out of their schools, neighborhoods and budgets, trafficking drugs, smugglers who are kidnapping people for ransom. They are already going after employers hiring illegals, and shutting them down. This is the necessary next step.
What would your country do if you had 15 million people, plus 20 million of their children, who spoke a different language and had higher birth rates, invade your country, demand you do business in their language, demand that you spend your money educating their children, feeding them, housing them, and put up with them driving cars without license or insurance, and trafficking in drugs and committing kidnappings? Would you say, well there's nothing we can do because we have a few of our own who may look like them and speak their language, and we just can't take the chance of inconveniencing one of them. Heck no!! You'd do what Arizona is doing.
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Comment number 38.
At 12:44 4th May 2010, patti in cape coral wrote:"You can be a legal hispanic in Arizona and have no fear of this law."
One of the first people arrested under this law was a legal hispanic. There needs to be immigration reform, to be sure, but this isn't what is needed.
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Comment number 39.
At 00:53 5th May 2010, olis wrote:"One of the first people arrested under this law was a legal hispanic. There needs to be immigration reform, to be sure, but this isn't what is needed."
Nice try Patti. The law does not take effect for 90 days.
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Comment number 40.
At 06:59 5th May 2010, JaneSays wrote:This may sound harsh, but my belief is that if illegal Mexicans and Central-Americans -- far and away the largest combined group of illegal 'immigrants' in Arizona -- had studied their behind's off in school, become proficient in English, broadened their minds, learned more professional trades, and contributed high-level skills to Arizona's economy, no one would have thought to enact this law.
I worked in several restaurants while in college and worked closely with many different illegal Latino immigrants. I'm not being racist in saying that, on the whole, they tend to lack a culture of achievement. They have so many opportunities to better themselves here in the U.S., but tragically and generally speaking, they don't seize them. The result is that they continue to subsist in a cycle of poverty, they continue to attain very low levels of education, and yes, some of them will then resort to crime.
Is the law racist? Only secondarily. The truth is that most of Arizona's illegal immigrants are Latinos, so naturally they will be disproportionately impacted by this law. But that reality is a reflection of their sheer numbers, and only secondarily of their race.
This law is not so much a stance against the Latino race as it is a vote against the culture of under-achievement that so many poor illegal Latinos seem to perpetuate, to the detriment of themselves and everyone else in Arizona.
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At 12:41 5th May 2010, patti in cape coral wrote:@Olis- "The first person to be arrested after the new law was signed: a truck driver who looks like he could be Mexican but who is actually a US citizen. The man was told he did not have enough paperwork on him when he pulled in to have his truck checked. He provided his commercial driver's license and a social security number but was still handcuffed."
Nice try Olis, did you even read or watch the news?
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Comment number 42.
At 15:56 5th May 2010, Thomas wrote:I agree that the new Arizona law is racist. If anyone thinks the Nuremburg laws of 1935 were racist, then they ought to realize the Arizona "Walking Papers Please" law is also racist.
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Comment number 43.
At 16:44 5th May 2010, Lewis Fitzroy wrote:The Americans have done this law right, {Well done} We should have this law in the U.K We dont know who is in this country, How many illegals , where from or how many. The government is clueless on this? Vested intress groups and cheap labour for big Business may be the probelm in the U.K.Thats Why very little is done to stop the trade in people, by criminal gangs
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Comment number 44.
At 05:00 6th May 2010, crash wrote:If you are not illegal and not causing a disturbance you have nothing to fear.
It sounds like chintan of Houston has never been to Texas!!
Texas is a fairly well off state as far as the economy goes,but the illegal aliens doing construction work as cheap labor are destroying the old trade jobs such as bricklaying and carpentry.
Of course in today's world everyone one should get a PHD before they join the work force.
The old trades gave people a good living for many years but seem to be scoffed at today,yet there are many a carpenter,mason who make a lot more then a manager who wasted four years to get some nondiscript degree.
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Comment number 45.
At 23:37 8th May 2010, Bill_Arizona USA wrote:You know in Mexico...
--If you sneak into Mexico illegally,(i.e. El Salvadorians sneaking across Mexico's southern border for work in Mexico,) they send you home. The second time you are caught, it is a MANDATORY 10 year jail sentence in a Mexican Jail...
--The Mexican police (and its citizens even!) can legally ask & detain ANYONE who cannot prove their citizenship when asked. ...
--Illegal Immigrants in Mexico are not allowed to protest against the government. If they do, they are JAILED. (Its a federal crime for non-citizens to protest against Mexican government policies)
•• SO I ask: Is it "racist" for Arizona to have a law similar to policies the Mexican government has unapologetically enforced for decades???
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At 03:04 10th May 2010, olis wrote:"Nice try Olis, did you even read or watch the news?"
Patti: the law was passed by the Forty-ninth Legislature - Second Regular Session. Effective date for legislation passed by this session is 29 July, 2010. See http://www.azleg.gov/GeneralEffectiveDates.asp
I assure you, the arrest you are talking about was not a direct result of this legislation.
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At 18:18 10th May 2010, patti in cape coral wrote:Thank you for the polite clarification, references, and assurances, Olis, but I think to believe that the arrest was not influenced by the legislation is naive at best and disingenuous at worst. I don't believe that the timing is coincidental. In any case, I think the best scenario would be for all the undocumented workers in the US to be deported in one fell swoop, so people would learn to be really careful what they wish for.
Bill in Arizona "•• SO I ask: Is it "racist" for Arizona to have a law similar to policies the Mexican government has unapologetically enforced for decades???"
ANSWER: Yes, both the law and the Mexican policies are racist. A lot of undocumented workers who enter Mexico illegally are raped, beaten, robbed, and forced into prostitution. Maybe that makes it okay for us to do it here too.
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At 13:18 11th May 2010, patti in cape coral wrote:Although I didn't always agree with him, I really miss Tom K in Mpls. He was most often a voice of reason. As much as it saddens me, I think he was correct in saying that the way to handle this is to penalise businesses and employers who hire undocumented workers. At least there is no profiling or discrimination that way, a simple checking of social security numbers and IDs should suffice for those looking to get hired.
Actually, what I believe is in the complete freedom of movement between countries, but I realize that is too radical and I don't think the world is ready for it.
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At 11:20 20th May 2010, Christopher Tracy wrote:I have to take issue with statements by your on-air personality this morning (4:30am CDT) regarding America's heritage. She said the US was founded and built by illegal immigrants. That's patently false. The USA is a nation of immigrants - not "illegal" immigrants. She like many before her keeps lumping all immigrants together which is wrong and unfair.
The US was founded by immigrants and built by immigrants (both voluntary and involuntary), but they were LEGAL immigrants. Although it is true there was a time where immigration law was non-existent, where someone could literally walk into a US territory, stake claim to land, and would instantly be a citizen. But those days are long gone - thus anyone who does that now is an ILLEGAL resident.
Please do not stereotype all of us immigrants as illegal aliens.
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At 02:04 29th May 2010, ShawnCM wrote:Is the law racist? No. Is it perfect? Again, no. But, I think it's at-least a valid attempt at doing something to deal with a very serious issue in the state, and its a sight better than sitting back and doing nothing while the law is broken.
I think people need to snap back to reality and realize that not every solution people come up with is going to be perfect, and that there will always be flaws in anything created by man. But we cannot simply stop trying because of what if's or fear of possible unintended consequences.
A large portion of the people entering the US illegally are Hispanic, and thus there will be a perfectly NATURAL inclination for law enforcement to be more suspicious of Hispanic people when any question of their citizenship status is in question. It's the nature of the beast, just as any white 5'10 male in his mid 20's would be put under greater scrutiny if there was a bank robbery or assault committed and such a description was given out.
I'm not saying there does not need to be a conscious effort on part of law enforcement to ensure that such scrutiny is reasonable and not bordering on profiling and perhaps actual racism. But, simply because there is the possibility of abuse with something, does not mean simply declining to do ANYTHING for fear of such is a viable option.
He who allows fear to rule his life, shall soon fine that he has no life to fear for.
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At 22:52 29th May 2010, Enny2012 wrote:I wonder if the law makers are the descendants of the first illegal immigarants. Most of the people of the world are illegal immigrants at one time or the order, so we all should know how it feels. But in the world of terrorists attacks, can we imagine a police pull over that reveals a backpack of bombs? Let us watch Arizona closely and see if they are going too far.
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At 04:45 30th May 2010, Jeanne_in_Eugene wrote:While I understand and actually agree with the motivation behind AZ-SB1070, I do not agree with the means that they are using. I can't help but wonder if this will open the door to a string of traffic stops for "Driving While Brown."
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At 02:52 13th Jun 2010, JamesIan wrote:Is the Arizona immigration law racist?
NO!
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