World Cup 2006 Blog

From our reporters in Germany

England fans flood into Germany

claire_heald66.gifGELSENKIRCHEN - The Germans call it “a phenomenon”.

They’re left scratching their heads at how so many English people make it here for the match one day but are gone the next.

Incidentally, out of 5,800 people arrested in the tournament so far, guess how many have been English?

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A crowd of 70,000 England fans are expected in Schalke 04’s home town on Saturday. The Portuguese will be here in one-tenth of those numbers.

“Nobody can really tell where they come from, how they arrive in such a short period of time and where they disappear to so quickly,” puzzled the Gelsenkirchen police commander at Friday’s press conference.

They’re mostly coming tomorrow, led by the 13,000 who have managed to get tickets for the ground.

The ferries across the channel are full, trains busy, flights booked out.

Because England’s travelling support is the largest, a second fan fest viewing area has been set up in Gelsenkirchen. Germany makes much of welcoming everyone, ticket or no ticket, to join the World Cup party. If you’re watching at home – there’s still time.

It’s in a novel location, the “trotting track”, for horse and cart racing, outside the centre. Rumour is the big screen had to be imported from eastern Europe as Germany has finally run out.

For the record, Assistant Chief Constable, Stephen Thomas -who's in charge of the British police operation in Germany - gave this update on arrest figures today.

So far back in England, we have now 3,829 people banned from leaving the UK - to travel to Germany. Of the fans that have travelled we've now, in the venue cities alone, had 235,000 English supporters attend on game days, we've had many more attend the rest of Germany, and many more indeed in the countries around Germany. I still can't work out why I'd want to go to Prague - because the World Cup's in Germany - but 12,000 English people seem to have made that decision. Out of the 5,800 arrests so far during the tournament, there have been 593 English people arrested. 71 of them for criminal offences, and 522 for preventative detention - which for us in the UK is a very strange thing, but my German colleagues use it very well in order to prevent problems that are occuring. Five English people have been sentenced so far in the German courts - and seven are still in custody awaiting the trial.

Finally, before I go... navel gazing is no way for a journalist to tell a story, but one thing here is illustrative.

The well-equipped media centres we were privileged to use in Stuttgart and Cologne are replaced in smaller Gelsenkirchen by a trestle table in a field with “Press Centre” printed on some A4 paper and stuck on the front.

It’s not brilliant, but like England in the tournament so far, just as long as it’s capable of doing the job….

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  • 1.
  • At 06:09 PM on 30 Jun 2006,
  • Rolando wrote:

Hello, I need to hear a radio station
live of the matches from work. where can I do it on the computer/ thanks

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"A crowd of 70,000 England fans are expected in Schalke 04’s home town on Saturday. The Portuguese will be here in one-tenth of those numbers."
Really money talks. It is not that Portugese are less crazy for football but they surely they have less money to make the trip.
A man in India saved

less than one dollar for more than 4 years
just to be in the World Cup. I
wish how many English supporters would care to join if they had to suffer money
worry. This is perhaps the reasons why poorer countries like Argentina, Brazil
and even Portugal play so better than rich countries like England and USA. Their
players and their fans lack passion like the players and supporters of third
world countries

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  • 3.
  • At 06:38 PM on 30 Jun 2006,
  • Paul wrote:

Regarding the ACC's comment about "12,000 English people in Prague". I went to England's 2nd game in Nuremberg and got there by flying to Prague and driving from there. I wasn't the only one who did this. Flight to Prague cost me £120 and it's about 200 miles from Nuremberg and probably a similar distance from Munich. With some flights to the venue cities being so expensive, a lot of people are using their initiative, booking cheaper flights and travelling about 100-200 miles to the games. Hope this enlightens the ACC!

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  • 4.
  • At 07:00 PM on 30 Jun 2006,
  • Tehrani wrote:

If a match were won by the passion of their players & supporters then surely Iran would be in the final!

In countries where there is little celebrate, to win the World Cup is a momentus occasion, however that should not be cause to denigrate the English fans, many of whom are not wealthy citizens, showing thier support for thier counties team.

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I am writing as Argentina VS Germany goes into overtime. Here the streets of Miami were filled with people listening to the game and waving German and Argentinian Flags. It has been a game of nerves. It seems that neither side wants to give in. Argentina is on the offensive and Germany is on the defence.

I would like to thank the BBC for bringing us comments about the World Cup. I also hope that in the next World Cup International Audiences could also watch the BBC on the Internet.

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  • 6.
  • At 08:29 PM on 30 Jun 2006,
  • Yasir K. wrote:

Following are the Semi-finalists:

1.Germany
2.England
3.Brazil
4.Italy

Following are the finalists:
1.Germany
2.Brazil

Winner? 50-50

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  • 7.
  • At 08:48 PM on 30 Jun 2006,
  • Yank wrote:

If only anybody in America cared like Europeans. It would be nice.

http://clients.mediaondemand.net/theSun/?Channel=1

that's a pretty good radio feed

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  • 8.
  • At 08:53 PM on 30 Jun 2006,
  • Rolf Habich wrote:

Yasir,

substitute England by Portugal; other than that I am with you -except perhaps giving Brazil an edge of 60 to 40. or, well, 55 to 45 :-)

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  • 9.
  • At 08:57 PM on 30 Jun 2006,
  • Rolf Habich wrote:

To Yasir:

Yasir, I am with you - with two exceptions:
- take Portugal for England
- for the final put it 60 - 40 for
Brazil. Well, or 55 - 45 :-)

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  • 10.
  • At 09:25 PM on 30 Jun 2006,
  • pete wrote:

There's nothing quite like experiencing the Brazilians passion for Football.

Everyone in Brazil has the right to see a Brazil match, companies close down or supplies TV's for them so as to guarantte all can watch Brazil play. Participation is 100%.

I can still vividly remember the whole normally very noisy city of Rio with 8 million people going deathly quiet when they start to play, only broken by incredible outburst, cheers, whistles, fireworks, and car horns honking when Brazil scores. I have sat through several Brazil World cup games in Rio and it's not really required to watch or listen to know the results of a game or for you to join in with their passion. Count the number of outburst and you've got the number of goals and at the final whistle if everybody is out on the street celebrating you know they've won.

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  • 11.
  • At 11:09 PM on 30 Jun 2006,
  • Mark Aston wrote:

hello, I need to buy a stamp. Where can I buy a stamp?

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  • 12.
  • At 11:33 PM on 30 Jun 2006,
  • stu wrote:

Just a note of thanks to whoever put together the england montage at the end of Italy v Ukraine tonight - it was bloody brilliant and you deserve a beer.

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  • 13.
  • At 12:45 AM on 01 Jul 2006,
  • chris wrote:

At least if we do go out to Portugal we have the consolation that the Argies are out!

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  • 14.
  • At 01:21 AM on 01 Jul 2006,
  • Sascha wrote:

Mark Aston

You can buy stamps at a post office. They are yellow and called "deutsche post". Just ask for it. You have good chances in inner cities to find one.

If you have your postal code you can search right here:
http://www.deutschepost.de/dpag?xmlFile=828&lang=de_EN

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  • 15.
  • At 02:02 AM on 01 Jul 2006,
  • Sven wrote:

hello. hope someone can help. I need to buy a clue.

ta.

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  • 16.
  • At 03:01 AM on 01 Jul 2006,
  • Weston wrote:

Razib Ahmed, I dont agree that fans from poorer nations tend to be more passionate. We, Australian fans are just as passionate but not necessarily poor and the same applies to the passionate Japanese fans.
It could be cultural, maybe.

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  • 17.
  • At 03:50 AM on 01 Jul 2006,
  • Dom wrote:

Brilliant report. If only we all had that confidence.

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  • 18.
  • At 03:51 AM on 01 Jul 2006,
  • Sascha wrote:

You don't think Germans are passionate? Have you seen the pictures? Wa can't be passionate because we aren't poor, is that youre point?

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  • 19.
  • At 04:49 AM on 01 Jul 2006,
  • Christopher S wrote:

I'm disappointed and very pleased.
Disappointed because 5,800 English fans have been arrested... and VERY pleased that: "Peter Honnet, head of police operations in the city, paid tribute to the England fans, calling them a "phenomenon".

With the tens of thousands of our fans making the journey by foot or by crook(!) and being made so welcome by the German hosts, my impression is that, for these reasons alone, it will be a World Cup to remember with pride and thanks!

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  • 20.
  • At 06:09 AM on 01 Jul 2006,
  • Dave wrote:

The total number of people arrested is 5,800, 593 of them English.
I would like to back up the idea of international English fans being able to see the next world cup on the internet. Then we would not have to put up with American commentators.
Come on England!!! I will be watching while eating breakfast in Minneapolis, USA

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  • 21.
  • At 07:06 AM on 01 Jul 2006,
  • Dave wrote:

I just hope that the England team deliver a performance against Portugal that EVERYONE can be proud of. Its big time now and they need to play big time football as we all know they can. Hi to Mum & Dad in Fressingfield

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  • 22.
  • At 08:18 AM on 01 Jul 2006,
  • Wallace wrote:

England fans, give yourselves a shake. Do you really, really think that your team is good enough to be where they are? You have great individual players, but as a team ...... seen a better Sunday pub team!

Besides, if you were so lucky to win like you did in '66, Scotland would still manage to beat you just as they did in '66. And Scotland are, well .......

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  • 23.
  • At 08:21 AM on 01 Jul 2006,
  • Pete wrote:

If you are outside of UK you can get English audio commentary on all matches at
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2006260665,00.html

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  • 24.
  • At 08:30 AM on 01 Jul 2006,
  • Pete wrote:

I'm ok with England playing very poorly and beating Portugal 1 - 0 thanks to an own goal. Im fact similar form resulting in winning the Cup will do for me. Nobody remembers the losers.

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  • 25.
  • At 08:46 AM on 01 Jul 2006,
  • John wrote:

I wish I could be experiencing the atmosphere first hand in Germany. I do feel the German people and organisers have really created a fantastic tournament. I just hope that all the stereotypical ideas people have about Germans/Germany are consigned to the dustbin of history; and I say that as an Englishman who has suffered form some of that lazy thinking in the past. Well done Germany, if we can't win I hope you can prevail.

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  • 26.
  • At 09:21 AM on 01 Jul 2006,
  • Sascha wrote:

Go England! Hope we'll meet in the final!

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  • 27.
  • At 09:45 AM on 01 Jul 2006,
  • Robert wrote:

I think the final four teams will be:

Germany
Italy
England
France

Brazil will run out of luck against France, they are playing poorly and Ronaldhino looks like he would rather be advertising a new product than play in the World Cup.

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  • 28.
  • At 09:50 AM on 01 Jul 2006,
  • Joseph Sigar wrote:

England vs Germany in the final. I love England team. Go...Go.. Go.. England !

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  • 29.
  • At 09:50 AM on 01 Jul 2006,
  • gary reynolds wrote:

Myself, my kids and my wife are getting out of bed in seven hours (2:30AM) to watch the England -Portugal game. My wife is getting out of bed at 2:30am after three hours sleep to watch a football match.
Now, that is a phenomenon.

Come on England!

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  • 30.
  • At 09:51 AM on 01 Jul 2006,
  • jonathan wrote:

Any linking of fans' passion with their wealth (as one of the commenters above tries to do) is plain wrong. Compare the England support with other similar nations, it is still fantastically high. English fans may be lucky to have the money to travel, but that does not diminish their passion.

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  • 31.
  • At 09:52 AM on 01 Jul 2006,
  • Mark wrote:

Razib Ahmed (Comment 2) - thanks for the wonderful sweeping statements about how passion, poverty and footballing ability are closely linked.

Unlike you, when I read about someone saving up one dollar a day to go to the world cup, I'm not hugely impressed at all. When I was a kid, I used to save a dollar a week for years to buy something but somehow I doubt that impresses anyone. Big deal, millions of people earn less than a dollar a day on this planet so this guy is obviously wealthy by many people's standards.

What amazes me about your post is how you seem to think that poorer countries are better at football. Of the 6 teams still in the competition, 5 are western european! Explain that one, Einstein!

And about passion from the fans - how do you judge that one? Where do you place South Korean fans, for example? They are rich and they are hugely supportive. And yet they are often still capable of losing with a smile on their face. My turn to make sweeping statements!

Yeah, and is it good for people to become inconsolable when their team loses? Maybe a bout of chronic depression should be encouraged? That would show real passion, right?

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  • 32.
  • At 10:21 AM on 01 Jul 2006,
  • Dev Bhatia wrote:

C'mon ENGLAND !! Turn on the style !!

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  • 33.
  • At 10:21 AM on 01 Jul 2006,
  • Darren Mc wrote:

My wife has decorated the whole of the front of our house with flags and buntings. She is actually watching football and enjoying it. She is wearing the kit.

That my friends, is a phenomenum

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  • 34.
  • At 10:25 AM on 01 Jul 2006,
  • Anonymous wrote:

Don't forget the spirit of '47

25 May 1947, Friendly Portugal 0-10 England

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  • 35.
  • At 10:27 AM on 01 Jul 2006,
  • Sir Shriedan Conkard Barlow Strimlett wrote:

A Win is a Win you retards, England to Win World Cup.

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  • 36.
  • At 10:34 AM on 01 Jul 2006,
  • Peter Llewellyn-Davies wrote:

I am a true England supporter and have lived here in Germany for 20 years now and am loving it. The so called lacking in passion Germans are just as fun loving as the English. In fact there are many similarities. The main point is that the Germans never give up, and like the English just keep on going without dirty little tricks regrettably seen in football these days.

The World Cup has again united the world but most of all - Germany has been able to cast away the shadows of a terrible past still lingering in the minds of most people. I hope it will be an England Germany final and that the british tabloids will hold back on the Sturmtrooper and blitz war stereotype messages.

Germany is a lovely country with amazing people... as most of the 235000 english fans will agree... and the beer is great :) Oh by the way the statistics say that the English fans have drunk more beer here than the other nations put together.

Peter from Munich

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  • 37.
  • At 10:47 AM on 01 Jul 2006,
  • Mark h wrote:

re-cap.
1. 593 english fans arrested not 5800, which is the numbers of beers consumed just prior to there arrest.
2. You can only be passionate if you live in a totalitarian state with no money.
3. Brazilian companies must buy all citizens TV's.....?(Thereby explaining the national debt, mainly owed to Sony.)
4. People still buy stamps.
5. Sven is up late and thats not going to help at all, so get to bed please.
6. Everybody is stepping out on a limb and backing Brazil to win.

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  • 38.
  • At 10:48 AM on 01 Jul 2006,
  • Go Portugal! wrote:

Someone here said the portuguese were poor. I beg to differ. We hosted Euro 2004, we're not exactly a third world country. I think it's a cultural matter. The english love to join their team abroad and that's wonderful. I remember in 2004 how hundreds of englishmen invaded the main squares in Lisbon and used to spend the whole day and night singing, shouting and drinking.

Some of the fans are bad losers but there is much to blame in alcohol. I'm not saying the english are drunkards, but they definitely let the beer run too freely in the games.

As for the game today, I'm hoping for a reprise of the quarter-finals they played two years ago. Sven Goran is not the coach he used to be and Scolari is reaching the height of his powers. Add to it a display of lack of confidence from England which will only do their prospects harm. Besides, we have a very solid team game than can accomplish wonderful things even without Deco or Cristiano.

It will be tough, but so far the portuguese team has been able to prove that it will fight down to the last man. Our strenghts were fully tested in that godawful game against the Netherlands. England have yet to prove herself on the pitch.

What doesn't surprise me is the behaviour of the english press. I mean, BBC is a good example of impeccable news reporting, but every time there's an important game the english newspapers start a very provoking and I dare say, disrespectful, attitude towards the portuguese team (and even sometimes the country). And it's become almost laughable the way everybody is betting their all on Rooney. Asking Deco to compare Rooney to Pelé??? I mean, with all due respect to his talents, he's no god on the pitch. And what if he doesn't deliver? Poor boy, I wouldn't like to be on his shoes if his team loses today.

Anyway, may the best team win! Preferably, Portugal!

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  • 39.
  • At 11:22 AM on 01 Jul 2006,
  • Michael wrote:

@Peter (#36): Peter, good to hear you like it so much in Germany that you can handle us for 20 years already. I agree that the tabloids (on both sides BTW) are the ones still keeping the WWII image alive and therefore cause a wrong image of Germany in the UK. That's why the German ambassador in London even hired John Cleese aka Basil Fawlty to do some PR (see http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2180817,00.html%29. So I hope that all the fans from England could see by themselves how we really are. Beer-wise you're right the English fans did increase beer production here significantly. In Nürnberg (after the T&T game) they drank so much that it was even mentioned in the news as new record. 1600 liters in 14 minutes.

@Portugal (#38): Yes, I was a bit puzzled too to see that Portugal is supposedly a poor country. I have some Portugese friends and so I know a bit about your country even so I haven't been there yet (yes, that's sad). Regarding the press, well, join the club. As mentioned above we Germans always get the blitzkrieg and panzer headlines when it comes to football. The British tabloids are just so very uncreative that this is the only thing they can come up with.

Oh, because I mentioned Basil Fawlty above, I think "The Germans" is the most hilarious episode of any BBC comedy show ever. I always have tears in my eyes laughing, when I see it. But what really puzzles me is that I read some comments from people in England that John Cleese makes fun of the Germans there along the same lines as the tabloids. Seems they didn't get the show. He's actually making fun of the Brits who are still stuck with the WWII stuff (maybe because of the tabloids). Well, John, if you should read this, please explain: How the heck did you manage to walk like that? :-)

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  • 40.
  • At 11:50 AM on 01 Jul 2006,
  • martin wellbourne wrote:

I'm not going to defend the British tabloids, but they are run by an Australian owned company, Murdoch. Enough said.

And you are right about the Basil Fawlty episode, its a bit like Alf Garnett, it was sposed to take the rise out of the little englander mentality, but was ambiguous enough to be misunderstood.

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  • 41.
  • At 12:02 PM on 01 Jul 2006,
  • Go Portugal! wrote:

Michael, we're talking here, after all, about the most aggressive tabloids in the world. It never ceases to amaze me how vile they can sometimes be. I won't even mention "The Sun".

Safaa

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  • 42.
  • At 12:30 PM on 01 Jul 2006,
  • mohammed wrote:

here in egypt ... i try to find a place to watch da england n portugal match with some english fellows ...
people here expect an english defeat ... but i hope dat england win 2 - 0 .....
just to shut their mouths up


God Save The Queen,
send our team victorious,
God Save The English Team,
God Save The Queen ....

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  • 43.
  • At 01:03 PM on 01 Jul 2006,
  • Mike Curtis wrote:

England fans? No passion?

If you carry on like that then there'll be no iced tea for you !!!!

No skill? Did you miss Beckham's '2' goal-scoring free-kicks or Joe Cole's wunder goal?

Some years ago English passing was heavily criticised and the 'long ball' hit-it-and-hope strategy - but we really are quality these days. We have soccer schools, etc... - maybe not the small 5-aside 'play well in enclosed spaces' skill-building emphasis of Brazil but it has produced a crop of world-class players.

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  • 44.
  • At 01:07 PM on 01 Jul 2006,
  • gary reynolds wrote:

you can get away from the nasty tabloids by moving to New Zealand.
"here is the news, it is sunny and rainy and a sheep got lost. and now, the weather...."

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  • 45.
  • At 01:24 PM on 01 Jul 2006,
  • gary reynolds wrote:

must go to bed or i'll miss it!!!!!!!!!

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  • 46.
  • At 01:56 PM on 01 Jul 2006,
  • Go England! wrote:

As a Brit living in Lisbon I´ve observed much to be admired about the attitude of the Portuguese press towards their team. I´ve read practically nothing that shows any shadow of a doubt in their team´s ability, and whilst the blind optimism is tragically misguided (in my humble opinion), it is nevertheless refreshing to see a team not being criticised by the nation they seek to represent. Having said that it does get incredibly irritating, you can´t have a normal discussion about "So what do you think will happen in The Game?", it´s just "Portugal will win", end of matter Everyone from old ladies selling fruit outside the train station, to little kids are saying the same. Well Porugal, we´ll see, you might not, there is that possibility. The cleaning lady at work said that there was a good chance it would be "Bye Bye Portugal!". She had to say that in a whisper for fear of lynching from her Portuguese colleagues.But my point is that the spirit here is tremendously high.

GO ON ENGLAND! We need to all have that attitude too. I can cope with losing, though I think we´re in with a good chance, but I don´t know if I can cope with the gloating after :0(. I had endless knocks on my door from neighbours wishing to share their glee after their Euro 2004 victory. Also I´d put money on Rooney being mysteriously injured in the first 20 minutes.

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  • 47.
  • At 02:17 PM on 01 Jul 2006,
  • England till I die wrote:

So the Portugeezer begs to differ that Portugal is a poor country because you hosted Euro 2004. So you can have lots of great stadiums that are now largely empty cos people just say they are Benfica or Sporting and never actually go to the games (Sporting´s "toilet" even has multi coloured seats to disguise the gaping spaces where the so-called fans should be!) I´m not doubting their passion, but maybe the average taxi driver can´t afford to fork out for tickets.

Such money would have been better invested in the lamentable health service or helping those less fortunate (blind people have to beg on the metro constantly)England may not be perfect and Portugal has many great aspects (pasteis de nata, bica cheia and lots of lovely beaches and sunshine)but don´t you dare disrespect Rooney, he´s not Pele....yet, but he´s better than that big crybaby all flash- no substance Ronaldo.

I live in Lisbon btw and will honk my horn with pride tonight when football comes home (even if i won´t be home!) xx

don´t get me wrong Portugal is a great country and a wonderful adopted home and I sincerely hope it´s a fair game played in the right spirit and Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard and Beckham all get on the scoresheet! tears en masse in Lisboa tonight! Put those cars in the garage!

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  • 48.
  • At 03:34 PM on 01 Jul 2006,
  • Go Portugal! wrote:

In reply to comment 47: I'm not saying that just because we hosted Euro 2004 we can be considered a rich country. Far from it. And I agree that some of the money that went to building stadiums could have been better invested, but I still supported the socialist government in this and believed that in the long term it would be a great investment for the country to host the tournament. Many things are terribly wrong in this country, but Euro 2004 wasn't just a mere scheme to put some money in the politicians and in the federation's pockets. And I'm sorry but we mustn't be living in the same country if you think that Benfica and Sporting stadiums are empty during the games of the portuguese league. Besides, the tournament affected much more areas than just football like tourism, new hotels and resorts, foreign investment, new jobs, etc. Well, at least that's what I believe.
Expo 98 faced the same criticism, many accused it of being a complete waste of money. Even so, they built from zero the eastern area of Lisbon, and 8 years after it has become an entire modern city of its own that has brought plenty of wealth and fame to Lisbon.

What I should have made clearer is that we are not at the same level than countries who are in real need and are overwhelmed by the most miserable conditions, the so called third world countries. The first comment to which I initially replied put us at the same level than south-american countries like Argentina or Brazil and that is where I differ. Of course, not everybody can afford the tickets, but you'll find the same in every country in the world.

As for Rooney, I never meant any disrespect. I merely stated that he is being put under a lot of pressure. Personally, I consider Michael Owen a much dangerous player, but if Rooney fails to deliver today, the press we'll probably blame him, like they blamed Beckham in the past.

And less than two hours left for the match!

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  • 49.
  • At 04:21 PM on 01 Jul 2006,
  • sofia wrote:

I really dont know why you are all so confident!!!! you are going to lose, like last time!!!! Remember???

I feel so sorry for you England!!!

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  • 50.
  • At 04:24 PM on 01 Jul 2006,
  • sofia wrote:

I feel so sorry for you England!!! I really dont know why you are so confident... YOU ARE GOING TO LOOSE

You have no chanceeeeeeeeeeeeee :)

GO PORTUGALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

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  • 51.
  • At 09:42 PM on 01 Jul 2006,
  • GO England! wrote:

I can hardly hear myself think with the noise coming from car horns here in Central Lisbon...there´s gonna be a party tonight, even for the English. We have nothing to be ashamed of, we played very well. Pennos are not good for us.Congratulations Portugal! "Sofia" provided the perfect example of what I was talking about earlier though, the blind optimism, with no room for doubt.

In response to comment 48, you´re right in many respects, these things are never a complete waste of money,and bring additional benefits. And you´re also right, Portugal is not at the same level of poverty as many others countries. Don´t worry about "England til I die", he was a bit fired up before the game. Your apology for "disrespecting" Rooney is far too gracious...he wasn´t entirely serious! You are allowed to have an opinion! Mine is that Ronaldo needs a smacked bottom and to be taken down a peg or two. What they didn´t show on TV in Portugal that they did show on the BBC, was Ronaldo giving Rooney a little delicate headbutt accompanied by a devious grin just before he was going to get booked, to try and make him lose his temper! Thank god he didn´t! But that Ronaldo is a very nasty boy!

I´m still a bit sad though...;0(

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