I Was There: The Great War Interviews

Friday 14 March 2014, 10:19

Detlef Siebert Detlef Siebert Director

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More than two years ago, I learned that the Imperial War Museum still had the original interview rushes of The Great War series from 1964, which the BBC had produced in partnership with IWM.

I was intrigued. Having worked on a few similar history series myself – such as Laurence Rees’s The Nazis or Auschwitz  – I knew that only a tiny fraction of the recorded interviews would have made it to air.

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I reckoned many strong and insightful testimonies must have ended on the cutting room floor because they didn’t fit into the series’ narrative or because they were simply too long.

IWM had digital audio files of the interviews and I went through all 280 recordings (more than 50 hours) looking for testimonies about the human experience of the war.

I didn’t want to make I Was There: The Great War Interviews about the military or political history of the war. I wanted to make a film about individual responses to extreme situations.

  Julia Cave Victor Parker Researcher Julia Cave interviewing Great War veteran Victor Packer for the 1964 series

As I went through the recordings, it became clear that the people researcher and director of most of the interviews, Julia Cave, had done an amazing job.

This was the stiff upper lip Britain of fifty years ago but the veterans opened up to Julia about the horror, the tedium, and sometimes also the humour of what it was like being there. They even told Julia what it was like to kill a man!

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'Bayonets at the ready' - A soldier reflects on the time he killed an enemy soldier

Since The Great War series concentrated much more on the big picture and grand strategies of the war, the majority of these emotional testimonies were never broadcast.

I grouped the selected interviews thematically, following the timeline of a soldier’s experience, from enlistment to death or survival.

There was to be no presenter and no narration, just music by composer Dominic de Grande and captions to introduce each thematic block.

I wanted the interviews to tell their own story.

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Home Front: Some soldiers returning on leave had trouble relating to civilians

The greatest challenge was to find the film material for the pieces of dialogue I had selected.

The Great War series was produced on 35mm film using blown up footage from selected original interviews shot on 16mm film.

As a result, each interview was spread over several reels.

To make things even more challenging, I had to synchronise the picture with the sound from the digital audio files.

This proved a major and often tedious undertaking as picture and sound drifted apart considerably.

I got pretty good at lip reading and it certainly helped that in a previous life I had earned a living as a dubbing writer for German versions of American TV series such as The Lone Ranger and Quincy.

Oral history can be tricky. Just because somebody was there it doesn’t mean their story is true.

We had thorough fact checks done and sure enough, some of the interviews proved just too good to be true.

One interviewee described in vivid detail an Anglo-German football match in no man’s land during the famous Christmas truce of 1914. He turned out to be a fantasist.

Another interviewee, Henry Williamson, the author of Tarka The Otter, gave a different account.

In the 1930s and 40s, he sympathised with the Nazis and joined Oswald Mosley’s British Union of Fascists.

I wondered to what extent this could have coloured his recollections of the truce.

Research showed that he written a letter home immediately after the event. The description in his letter matched the account that he gave 50 years later in his interview to the BBC.

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'A slight spice of danger' - A look at life in the trenches on quiet days

Executive producer Mike Connolly and I were keen to make the archive feel more current as the interviews as well as all film and most stills archive from the period are black and white.

Artist Jon Wilkinson, who specialises in colourising archive photographs, provided extremely realistic and subtle colourisations that not only add depth to the images but also make the people feel less remote and much closer to us.

My ambition was to help restore the humanity of the Great War generation.

I hope viewers will see that these were recognisably modern people, recorded within touching distance of both the experiences that shaped them and our lives today - not distant figures moving jerkily in newsreels.

Detlef Siebert directed and edited I Was There: The Great War Interviews.

I Was There: The Great War Interviews is on Friday, 14 March at 9pm on BBC Two and BBC Two HD.

More on The Great War Interviews
BBC Four Collections: The Great War Interviews: Featuring World War One veterans and civilians
About the BBC: BBC Information and Archives: Restoring Archive for I Was There: The Great War Interviews

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    Comment number 1.

    I want to thank you for this programme. My Grandfather was the first face on the programme. I have for many years had the small snippet of 'his performance' in the last episode of the Great war programme made in 1964 when he talks about the end of the war and it was both moving and exhilarating to hear that voice again. He never spoke about his experiences in the war but did write me a letter when I was studying Wilfred Owen for A level English in which he described a sortie into 'no mans' land. I was amazing to him him describe his experiences with such clarity. I would love to be able to access the whole interview if this is possible? I can see that he is not part of the archive. [ I am sure he would not have minded but your credits are incorrect. His name was Reginald Edgar Richards and not Benjamin as you caption. ] I am keen to see any more . Thank you again for such a brilliant and moving piece. Christine Britton

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    A deeply moving documentary, made the more so by the passage of time -- 50 years since the recordings were made, themselves looking back 50 years. An insight into an entire, Victoria-born people: how they spoke, what they wore, their gestures, as they recounted experiences that are only in the imagination of my generation. 'Kitty's' testimony in particular stays with me -- understated, earnest, factual, as she recounted the death of her young husband. I certainly didn't know that so many historic recordings existed outside the material used in the 1964 Great War programme.

    Could I ask the BBC re-broadcasts that Great War documentary series during this '100 years on' time? It lives in my memory as best TV documentary effort I have seen and watching it has influenced my perspective and outlook ever since. I suspect that even today it would put the current crop of centenary programmes into the shade; showing them to be as much to do with 'celebrity personal brand' as true historic documentary. Sir Michael Redgrave, as I recall, stayed firmly behind the camera for his commentary, rather than posing on screen...

    BBC: please -- a re-showing of that magnificent 1964 The Great War series?

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    How thrilled I was to see my late grandfather on the tv last evening. Frank Brent DCM died in 1966 just a few years after giving this interview. What an incredible programme! I was deeply moved to see and hear grandad again as I had no idea this interview even existed. Thank you BBC. Is there any way I can download his interview to keep for my family archive?

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    Comment number 4.

    We all owe these men such a debt. How can such a debt be possibly measured and repaid?

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    Thank you for such positive comments - I am particularly pleased that two descendants of those featured in the film have posted here. We tried our best to trace relatives before transmission of the programme but had no success with this in some cases.

    Christine - apologies that we got your grandfather's name wrong. I'll make sure the caption will be corrected for future broadcasts. Re. access to the whole interview, please email me at detlef.siebert@bbc.co.uk.

    Ali - we restored your grandfather's interview for BBC Four Collections and you can watch it i=on iPlayer: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01tcxg0
    Large parts of your grandfather's interview will also be featured in the Learning Zone version of 'I Was There'. We are keen to use photos of him. Could you get in touch at detlef.siebert@bbc.co.uk?

    Keith - the BBC is planning to repeat the entire Great War series on BBC Four is the autumn.

 

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