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Down and definitely out

  • Paresh Soni
  • 18 Mar 07, 08:27 AM

Paresh SoniKingston - One of the images that will haunt me long after this tournament has finished is the sight of a proud captain and a proud coach sitting utterly dumbfounded and devastated.

Their team had just been on the receiving end of one of the greatest World Cup upsets and Pakistan's Inzamam-ul-Haq and Bob Woolmer made no attempt to hide their hurt.

Both looked tired and drained, not just by the events of the day, but by the last few months – and it seemed they were hoping someone would put them out of their misery.

And they are unlikely to have to wait long after the three-wicket defeat by Ireland which knocked Pakistan out of the competition on an incredible day at Sabina Park...

Woolmer's contract runs out in June and his office is rumoured to have already been cleared to prepare for a new coaching appointment, although he would only say: “I’m going to sleep on it.

“I’ve had a bad day, one that ranks amongst the worst in my career - Edgbaston in 1999 (South Africa’s epic tie with Australia which knocked them out of the World Cup).

“But coaching is what I like to do, although the travelling and staying in hotels does take its toll.”

That might suggest a return to English county cricket, where he enjoyed success with Warwickshire but, despite being 58, Woolmer could still be tempted by the right offer from an international side.

Inzamam, now looking even more heavy-legged than usual at the age of 37, stopped short of calling time on his captaincy but also dropped a strong hint.

“There are bound to be changes, I don’t know what they are going to be, but there should be changes.”

If it is indeed the end for both, it would be a sad departure for two men who did much to turn a notoriously inconsistent Pakistan side into a cohesive unit.

Under their guidance, the team became much tougher to beat and previously difficult characters like Younis Khan and Shoaib Akhtar started pulling in the same direction.

Famous Test series wins were achieved against India and England, while Mohammad Yousuf could not stop scoring runs and Mohammad Asif emerged as a world-class pace bowling option.

But in a country where former captains such as Imran Khan and Javed Miandad wield considerable influence, their opinions reported on an almost daily basis by an often fiercely critical Pakistani media, divisions are never far away.

England crushed them last summer and Woolmer and Shoaib were involved in a public row during the Test series defeat in South Africa earlier this year.

In the one-dayers which followed, in which the tourists were again dreadfully erratic, Shahid Afridi was banned for four games after an incident with a spectator.

When they arrived here, they put in two shocking batting displays, with no-one prepared to play responsibly.

It was as if the team had come full circle, returning to the abject feebleness which Woolmer and Inzamam were so desperate to eradicate.

Tellingly, the former England batsman said after the Ireland game: “I wasn’t the one batting out there. We should have scored 190-200 runs against that attack.”

Inzamam kept his head bowed as he mumbled his laments in Urdu which, like the equally stone-faced Woolmer’s comments, bore all the hallmarks of a parting message.

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  1. At 09:00 AM on 18 Mar 2007, N wrote:

    Well, whole credit goes to PCB (Pakistan Cricket Board) politics. They did no better job but to waste the cricket talent in Pakistan.

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  2. At 09:09 AM on 18 Mar 2007, Inam ul wahid Khan wrote:

    Too many useless bosses, get rid the lot of them, let the couch, a manger and captain do the selection, training and rest of it by them self. Pakistan cricket will be the best in the world again in no time. Management without too many managers always create wonders.

    Inam khan

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  3. At 09:14 AM on 18 Mar 2007, ian sutherland wrote:

    Well done Ireland.........On St Patrick's Day
    and our wedding anniversary Tremendous,


    as for Pakistan.........could not have happened to a nicer crowd of guys.

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  4. At 09:29 AM on 18 Mar 2007, freddy wrote:

    Absolutely Briliant .............do any of the Irish lads spare some time to show England how to play Cricket.
    Brilliant .......good luck lads, superb Catching, great bowling ( forget the tactical wides ) ....just brilliant.
    Pakistan team can now have the consolation they were outplayed by a better team.

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  5. At 09:29 AM on 18 Mar 2007, Jack Bates wrote:

    Your many references to the Pakistan team being "on the way home" (also Radio 5 Live sports reports this morning) mystify me - the Pakistani team are supposed to be playing Zimbabwe on March 21. Why dont you stick to the proper statement that they will not be part of the next phase ?

    Jack Bates

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  6. At 09:50 AM on 18 Mar 2007, jack wrote:

    It is good.

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  7. At 10:01 AM on 18 Mar 2007, Sree wrote:

    I was at home yesterday (or is it today?) where actually I was watching the Ireland match rather than the India one. I felt a kind of numbness - an apathy when I watched the India team. It was strange to have my pre-match prediction to a friend come true. This team is so riven with their divided loyalties (take your pick of those!) that the few good players are choked. One of these days we will probably end up like Pakistan. The players better find some storm shelters - India is very unforgiving when their Gods exhibit clay feet.

    One thing is that I didn't have to report on the match as it was my off day. Thank God for small blessings! I have a very acerbic vocabulary when I am bitter.

    And well done, the Irish.

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  8. At 10:06 AM on 18 Mar 2007, Neil Workman wrote:

    If it is true that some of our so called "International Players" have had time to go clubbing after losing their first World Cup game, it just goes to show their lack commitment to the English badge. I would never let them play for England again. The World Cup only comes round every four years and if they cannot stay off the booze for a few weeks it shows their total lack of pride for the English cause.

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  9. At 10:07 AM on 18 Mar 2007, Swapnil wrote:

    I just hope that the wishes of over a billion people for an electrifying India - Pakistan match are not put to graves by an Ireland - Bangladesh one on the same day. i'd be dissapointed.
    Smart alec

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  10. At 10:21 AM on 18 Mar 2007, Nizaam Cariem wrote:

    A sad day for Pakastani cricket and most likely the end of Inzamams fine international career.Pakistan cricket has always been erratic for a decade and half yet they always seem to live in hope they will get it right like they did in 1992!Cmon get with the program that was a once off.They have flattered to decieve constantly since then and its time the PCB realise there is something seriously wrong with their organization.How can a land that constantly produces talented young cricketers that is the envy of all always falter on the international stage?

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  11. At 10:26 AM on 18 Mar 2007, murzer wrote:

    A grat day for the underdogs...

    Ireland can br proud for defeating a big cricketing power....

    roll on the super 8!

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  12. At 10:39 AM on 18 Mar 2007, rifaqat wrote:

    well done ireland..........and best of luck in the coming matches of world cup
    and for pakistan i would say that there should b ban on pakistan cricket for such non responsible perfomance. they are playing with thier nation expectations
    if not possible but this whole team should b out of the team for ever specially inzi,

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  13. At 10:40 AM on 18 Mar 2007, maurice leigh wrote:

    Today Pakistan- tomorrow the worst main team in the cup ENGLAND

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  14. At 10:42 AM on 18 Mar 2007, David McIlwaine wrote:

    Congrtulations to a dedicated professional team who are in Windies to do a job not on a jolly. What a way for them to lift our spirits after that last second try in Paris. All Ireland are proud of you.

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  15. At 10:52 AM on 18 Mar 2007, Md. Ibrahim wrote:

    Where is the topic regarding Bangladesh V India Matches on 17/03/2007

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  16. At 10:54 AM on 18 Mar 2007, raj wrote:

    5 million pakistanis play cricket.irish have few hundred playing the game.shameful defeat

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  17. At 11:03 AM on 18 Mar 2007, Jaganniwas Iyer wrote:

    The ousted Pakistani cricket team is likely to have some company on its flight back home - the Indian team.
    Jaganniwas Iyer, India

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  18. At 11:11 AM on 18 Mar 2007, brendan wrote:

    I didn't know the result, just watched the replay (I live in Australia). What a great Sunday.

    Here's to following more of Ireland at the top level!

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  19. At 11:16 AM on 18 Mar 2007, ant from cape town wrote:

    Nice one Ireland - can't wait for u to do the same to England in the supa8's!!

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  20. At 11:18 AM on 18 Mar 2007, Asim Raza wrote:

    Restructuring Pakistan Cricket from grass root level has been discussed so many times that it is more of a buzz word among critics of the game. But the need of it has never been felt more than now, when our national team – statically ranked among the top 4 in the world – has not been able to win from even a new entrant in world cricket and unable to be among the top 8 in the World Cup. While heads would surely be rolled when the team reaches home, the first change should be brought into the game’s governing body by replacing the head of PCB and the Chief Selector. Even though the post of Chairman PCB is more of an administrative nature, it can be better filled by an ex professional cricketer who demonstrates adequate administrative abilities to take up this post with a vision and farsightedness. Meanwhile, even though the present Chief Selector has worked with extreme dedication and honesty, persistent failure of our team necessitates addressing this stagnation in selection, and letting another seasoned professional take the slot. Once these two posts are filled by the competent personnel, rest of the matters should be left to them, with the objective to have a potent team in next 4 years, with a persistent mechanism of sustaining the strength thus acquired through a better domestic cricket infrastructure. While the President (being the Patron-in-Chief of the game) would surely have numerous choices for both these slots, one cannot forget the fighting duo that first introduced the taste of victory in international cricket to our nation: Imran Khan and Javed Miandad. Both these veterans are still full of passion for the game and have repeatedly demonstrated the ability to take helm of national cricket affairs. While Imran Khan has declined to perform any role in national cricket despite of frequently displayed love for the game, he may note that some politicians do get involved in national cricket, as is the case in India. While he uses this post (if offered) to focus the whole cricket infrastructure, Javed Miandad can take over the role of a competent eagle-eyed Chief Selector, who identifies talent and raises a national team that has a fighting captain and persistently performing players. Give these two time-tested professionals a chance, to let Pakistan regain the lost glory in international cricket and retain it for times to come.

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  21. At 11:23 AM on 18 Mar 2007, Wes wrote:

    All the people who thought that minnows were a waste of time should now think again after Ireland's result.

    This result has just made the World Cup even more interesting especially coupled with Bangladesh's win over India.

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  22. At 11:50 AM on 18 Mar 2007, Ger O'Mahony wrote:

    Its the day after St.Patrick's Day and Ireland is beginning to realise the extent of this achievement.
    While the newspapers have covered the rugby, people are talking about cricket for the very first time in my memory. The founder of the Irish national sports, hurling and gaelic football was a cricketer Michael Cusack, many of the first hurlers dabbled in cricket but it then remained almost hidden within a small section of supporters.
    As a hurling fan, I am thrilled to see a kindred game with ball and bat emerge from the shadows. Imagine what Ireland could do if thousands played instead of hundreds!
    As for Pakistan, this defeat does not detract from your proud cricket history, the result confirms the glory of sport! Anyone in Pakistan for hurling?

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  23. At 11:54 AM on 18 Mar 2007, John wrote:

    At 10:54 AM on 18 Mar 2007, raj wrote: 5 million pakistanis play cricket.irish have few hundred playing the game.shameful defeat

    I thought it was 11 against 11! The size of a nation only matters to the statistician - otherwise China would be world champions at every sport they play, India would rule the cricket world and Australia would lose at nearly everything! What counts is heart, pride and desire. Ireland and Bangladesh had these in bucketfuls - Pakistan, India and England seem to have forgotten these items when they packed for the Carribean. In England's case 5 of the team seem to have left common sense and their brains at home as well.

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  24. At 12:14 PM on 18 Mar 2007, hassan wrote:

    all credit to Ireland. may be one day series this year with England. That wud be exiting

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  25. At 12:30 PM on 18 Mar 2007, Waqas ahmed khan wrote:

    i am really disappointed with the pakistani batting performance. it was really a poor show of cricket. i have never expected this type of cricket from players like mohammad yousuf and inzamam

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  26. At 12:43 PM on 18 Mar 2007, PakFan, London wrote:

    Gutted, just absolutely gutted.

    Even at my most pessimistic I never envisaged this. A defeat to Ireland? Not only a defeat, but an almighty failure of batting - 132 all out to Ireland? Who? Ironic that that's exactly the same score that Pakistan were bowled out for against Australia in the 1999 final. I thought then that things could not get any worse, but being bowled out for the same score by (and with all respect to the Irish side, who were fantastic) a bunch of postmen and teachers. Absolutely unimaginable.

    I just feel empty. After looking forward to the world cup for years, and given that it's a 6 week tournament, it's hard to believe that we've been knocked out within 5 days.

    The Pakistan management can now take their Urdu only directive back home with them and see if it helps there. It's just so indicative of what was wrong with the team - focussing on completely unnecessary issues while the team was falling apart, turning up with an arrogance which demanded a Super Eight and semi final spot with no application whatsoever. We were all expecting to be disappointed in the Super Eights, not devastated after two games.

    Clearly the management, Woolmer and Inzi are to blame. The management were nothing more than inept, and Bob Woolmer, who was supposed to have brought 'discipline and professionalism' in the end managed in his few years to turn the team into an even bigger shambles than it had been after the last world cup. As for Inzamam, this was just one tournament too many. Inzi is a poor captain, he looks lethargic in the field and the only inspiration he provides is to instill an ill-diciplined ethos into the team, resulting in a team of overly qualified unprofessionals lacking in graft. It's easy to forget what Inzamam has achieved over his decade and a half long career, and once the dust settles and he has moved on, we will miss his unbelievable batting abilities. But right now it is his poor captaincy and poor recent batting that only comes to mind.

    If Pakistan continue as they have done over the last 10 years, they will be in danger of becoming a completely spent force in world cricket. It feels like that's what they are now, but this could spark an absolute failure of cricket in the country. After seeing Bangladesh's unbelievably disciplined and professional performance against India yesterday, and watching two teenagers scoring fantastic half-centuries under such pressure, I would not be surprised if the Tigers replace Pakistan in the trio of world class teams in the Sub-Continent.

    And what now, who for captain? After the all-round debacle yesterday it's hard to single anyone out for glowing praise. Mohammad Yousuf would be a captain in the Inzamam ilk, and that's not acceptable. The openers are hopeless, and need to be completely removed, in favour of a new batch of youngsters. Younis Khan is obviously the favourite, but how many times has he failed with the bat? His reputation for steel and determination is in tatters after his recent poor performances and dreadful shot selections. Having said that, he is certainly more professional than a lot of the team, and could help improve discipline.

    Shoaib Malik scored a few runs (not many, but a few) and applied himself well. He just doesn't seem to have the authority and it's hard to imagine him presiding over the team. The bowlers have been interchangeable and also bring with them a lack of authority and discipline. The wicket keeper cannot keep wicket and does not have the head for a calm batting innings.

    And then, aside from the obvious Younis Khan, that leaves Shahid Afridi. A man who didn't play in these two debacles, who watched with agony from the sides just like we all did. Will he be feeling the same despair that we're feeling? From the television pictures yesterday it would appear so. But then one only needs to recall why he wasn't on the field to realise that he has had his fair share of controversy, not to mention his yo-yo-like relationship with the bat. But perhaps, and exactly because of the fire and passion that is in him, this could be a stroke of genius. Perhaps he could be the man to mould the team into a team of determined professional individuals with the will and dedication that we, the long-sufferring Pakistan fans deserve. It would be a big ask though, and he would have to work on adapting his cavalier 6-and-out attitude that has failed the team so many times. It would be a great risk, but it may be the spark we need, and after all, what could be worse than what has just happened?

    These are decisions that the selectors need to make. But first of all the decision on the selectors is even more important. We need people who know Pakistan cricket, people who have the experience and acumen to realise exactly what is wrong with the team, what needs to be done and exactly how it is to be done. And we need someone who has the vision to create a new team, someone who can provide inspiration to the team. We need Imran Khan. He is surely the man to drag Pakistan out of the quagmire and through to the other side. And if we can't get Imran Khan, or other luminaries of Pakistan cricket? If they continue to just stand by the sides and carry on bickering and criticising? Well, then we need to prepare ourselves for our beloved team to disappear completely from the world of cricket.

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  27. At 12:44 PM on 18 Mar 2007, James Jones wrote:

    Credit to Ireland for a great victory and wonderful timing. (St. Pat's day!) Hopefuly this will be a knockout blow to the critics who suggest that the supposed minnows should not compete at the world cup. I have loved cricket all my life but one thing that disappoints me is the relatively low number of competing nations in international cricket. In the long term we need more competition at the top to challenge the likes of Australia and India, so hopefuly the events of yesterday will prove to be a turning point. (I wonder what the odds would have been on Ireland beating Pakistan and Bangladesh beating India!)

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  28. At 12:44 PM on 18 Mar 2007, Aveling Artworks wrote:

    I've been finding it hard to drum up any interest in the World Cup amongst my friends over here, but with Bangladesh beating India yesterday.. with the Irish pulling off the upset of the tournament and beating Pakistan on Paddy's day.. with Herschelle Gibbs hitting 6 sixes in an over.. with Steve Tikolo guiding the Kenyans to a tidy win against Canada on Wednesday and Ireland tying with Zimbabwe on Thursday.. and with the hosts winning in a thrilling game on the opening day... how can you go wrong?!

    It's been an awesome tournament so far...

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  29. At 12:49 PM on 18 Mar 2007, Hasan wrote:

    World cricket now dont even dare to take us as minors.....


    Bangladesh is the best......

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  30. At 01:01 PM on 18 Mar 2007, Zia wrote:

    Dear Inam ul wahid Khan ........Pakistan team was selected with total consensus from the three you mentioned and it is on record reported in most of new channel and papers. It is better to accept your defeat and failure at the same time.

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  31. At 01:07 PM on 18 Mar 2007, pakiloin wrote:

    well i think its the sadst day in the history of pakistan cricket,now time has come to take steps to save pakistan cricket and kick out old legs like inzi,coach woolmer,asst coach mushtaq,and chairman naseem ashraf,we need to think again about the forign coaches and hire someone from pakistan like,waqar younus, intakhab alam or javed miandad.

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  32. At 01:12 PM on 18 Mar 2007, Abhai Patel wrote:

    Well done Ireland, maybe the overpaid Indian players can learn from you. The Indian players seem to forget that they are paid these enormous sums of money not because of there talent but due to the common man in India who the sponsors are trying to woo. sooner these so called big star are sacked and replaced by younger players the better for India.

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  33. At 01:18 PM on 18 Mar 2007, Akash wrote:

    It i not good for cricket.....Ireland and Bangladesh spoiled whole world cup.They can win or or two odd match but in super 8 they will get thrash..

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  34. At 01:18 PM on 18 Mar 2007, Akber A. Kassam. wrote:

    ne-day cricket is all about scoring and it's the fielding side's job to keep the runs down and pick up the wickets.

    Unfortunately, it was a bad day for Pakistan, thrown out from the world cup.!!!

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  35. At 01:19 PM on 18 Mar 2007, Nauroze wrote:

    Firstly there was no point in getting such a expensive coach like bob woolmer who gave nothing to Pakistan, inface sucked the blood income of all th Pakistanis !
    Seocndly the whole PCB commite should be formed by democratic way, instead by some army genrel like Parvaiz Mushharaf, who has declared himslef as the patron in chief !

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  36. At 01:19 PM on 18 Mar 2007, T wrote:

    my heart dropped wen pakistan fell ,my home team would have made more runs ,bastwell boys ball better then pakistan.what happen to the king of swing ,no team players only 4 then out bring back imran khan.eye of the tiger ps ireland well done.pakistan shame..............T

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  37. At 01:23 PM on 18 Mar 2007, Eamonn Gavin wrote:

    Congratulations to the BBC for magnificent coverage. Ireland's win over Pakistan was like seeing a leprachaun: you don't think it will ever happen - and then suddenly one pops out!!
    I don't want to be a bad winner, but I have to say that I really thought Pakistan were bad losers. Sulky faces all around. You can't win 'em all!

    Best Wishes to Pakistan; they will recover.

    Eamonn Gavin, Dublin, Ireland.

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  38. At 01:25 PM on 18 Mar 2007, jonathan h dawes wrote:

    hello tms where is geoffrey boycott is he going to be covering any of the games for bbc radio

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  39. At 01:28 PM on 18 Mar 2007, st george wrote:

    was this a fix?

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  40. At 01:32 PM on 18 Mar 2007, Evangelion wrote:

    Absolutely gob smacked by this fantastic result! It's difficult to say which is more satisfying: the fact that Pakistan were beaten, or that they were beaten by Ireland! Huge respect to the Irish team; even if they crash out in the next game, they can still return home with their heads held high.

    I honestly can't remember a more thrilling start to the Cup: first the Windies break Pakistan, then New Zealand flog England, then Bangladesh humiliate India - now Ireland crush Pakistan.

    Crazy stuff! But it just feels so good...

    What's next: Scotland defeating South Africa?! "Madness!" I hear you say - and yes, it probably is. But right now, anything seems possible. Punter and his boys had better watch out!

    From an Aussie in the UK

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  41. At 01:37 PM on 18 Mar 2007, st george wrote:

    was it a fix?

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  42. At 01:39 PM on 18 Mar 2007, Adnan Iqbal wrote:

    I am utterly dissapointed at the performance of pakistan cricket team but i will not point fingers at the players for this defeat.
    it has to do more with our pathetic domestic structure that is not harnessing the gifted and talented players... yes, it is easy to blame the captain or the coach for this disaster but it is the same captain that "made an inconsistent side into a cohesive unit"....
    I hope pakistani high up authorities can learn from this defeat and put the domestic structure in place so we don't have to face such an embarrasment again otherwise we might lose cricket like our other sports of field hockey and squash...
    i am just very sad as a player of inzi's stature didn't deserve such a farewell...

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  43. At 01:45 PM on 18 Mar 2007, John A wrote:

    Anyone who has watched the interview given by Inzumam ul-Haq after the match and is not moved by his dignity and his humanity in the face of final defeat, must have a heart of pure stone.

    Inzy's career has had many highs and lows, but there has been no-one on the field of play with more honesty and dignity that I can recall in the last ten years.

    He has been a magnificent fighter with the bat and an inspiring leader in some really tough battles, the lynchpin holding the team together on numerous occasions.

    I applaud the Irish for their win and so has Inzy. But I would call on all true cricket fans to applaud the way Inzy has always conducted himself as a great cricketer and ambassador for the best of Pakistani cricket.

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  44. At 03:59 PM on 18 Mar 2007, Indian wrote:

    How about an India Pakistan series in April.

    It ll be better than watching one-win wonders like Ireland v/s Bangladesh.

    Not to mention the TV revenues for marketing execs who re staring a loss in the face, with Pakistan out, and India following closely.

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  45. At 04:04 PM on 18 Mar 2007, David wrote:

    Well done Ireland, great to see them doing well. After the mishap that has occured in the English camp, maybe they should take a leaf out of the Irish way of going about things. They seem to have a great spirit and indeed belief. It was no surprise to me that they beat a top four side in the world.

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  46. At 04:33 PM on 18 Mar 2007, Oz Rules wrote:

    Congratulations to IRELAND. Pakistan did not take the game seriously enough obviously and on this occasion, Pakistan has suffered a humiliating defeat that defies explanation.

    Other teams can take heed and learn a lesson from this.

    It could so easily have been England with a humiliating result with the arrogance that regulary flies in the face of commonplace, KP was an example of that today.

    Maybe Pakistan fans should have walked off this time in protest of being their players being rubbish.

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  47. At 05:23 PM on 18 Mar 2007, Naved wrote:

    My prediction that Pakistan wouldn't go beyond the first round turned out to be true. What a shame. I would love to hang a garland of shoes around their necks.

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  48. At 05:37 PM on 18 Mar 2007, John Cotter wrote:

    Congratulations to Ireland, a great performance on our Patron Saint's day. Made Pakistan look extremely poor, and deserve all the credit in the world for removing an arrogant ego-driven team lead on the field by a dictator.

    Best wishes to Bob Woolmer, hope he gets better soon

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  49. At 05:52 PM on 18 Mar 2007, Shahzad Zafar wrote:

    Just heard about Bob Woolmer being rushed to hospital. I hope he's all right.

    He is the most professional coach Pakistan
    have ever had and contributed to their success in the recent Test matches.

    The PCB and senior players did not back/listen (to) him as they should have done.

    The malaise in Pakistani cricket is from top to bottom. How low do we have to sink before the we realise its not a good idea to have politicians/generals involved in sport.

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  50. At 05:56 PM on 18 Mar 2007, Asad Karim wrote:

    Sad state of affair for Pakistan cricket. However, in a country where the cricket organization is so poor, these things are quite understandable. If anything has to be improved, it should be grounds up. Replacing Woolmer and Inzamam is not sufficient. Furthermore, religion has unfortunately taken a very strong foot hold in the team, which should be strongly discouraged.

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  51. At 06:21 PM on 18 Mar 2007, austen gowers wrote:

    Woolmer now taken ill - this is very sad - wish him all the best. All I can say about the pak team is that there has been too much disarray. With your best side you had a chance to cover up for the fact that you have no good openers - without Asif, Shaoib, Alfridi and Razzaq not only has your bowling gone from outstanding to ordinary but you have lost some extra potency in the middle order. It is now the case that really you have only two top batters, a third who is now average (inzi) and the rest not good enough to play as batters in tests or ODIs - though Malik is almost good enough. May have to seriously rethink - back to Butt, Kamal? Or is their anyone else?

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  52. At 06:23 PM on 18 Mar 2007, Irfan Ul Haq wrote:

    Full credit and congrats to the Irish team for their tremendous team work during their victory over the Pakistani side.

    For me, like most other Pakistanians, it is sad to see such a talented bunch of lads go out so early in the tournament.

    People always call the Pakistani players as the inconsistent when it comes to performance, when infact, it is the PCB which had lacked consistancy when it came to performing their duties. No matter how hard I try, I cannot trace any form of planning in the development of the team. The team doesn't need many MAJOR changes, rather it is the administration that is in need of some major face lift. I wonder if the team management can now justify the heavy pay checks they offered to Mr. Woolmer, in contrast to what would have been offered to a local one, during his tenure as the coach.

    Inzamam could have bowed out of the world of cricket in a more respectable fashion earlier, but it seems too late for that now.

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  53. At 06:33 PM on 18 Mar 2007, Pak4life wrote:

    Pakistan did not deserve to win, everybody agrees to that.

    Will the pitch in Jamaica be always bouncy and dark green for the rest of the tournament, somehow I don't think so if the Windies are playing.

    The pitch was a disgrace for a ODI world cup game.

    Good luck to Ireland but I don't think they will win again in the Cup.

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  54. At 06:34 PM on 18 Mar 2007, Cricket fan wrote:

    With the very sad news that Bob Woolmer has sadly died all comments that have been made earlier by those who were unaware of the pending sad news, attacking Bob for his coaching techniques should be removed from the blog.

    They will be regretted by those who placed them and may upset family if read.

    Lets Remember Bob as a great Cricketer and a great man.

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  55. At 06:46 PM on 18 Mar 2007, Eugene Burger wrote:

    So very sorry to hear of Bob's passing away. As a SA supporter, I was a fan of the man.

    Condolences to his family.

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  56. At 06:51 PM on 18 Mar 2007, Irfan Ul Haq wrote:

    Just read about the sad news of Mr. Woolmer's demise in Jamaica. My deepest sympathies to his family and may God give them the strength to overcome this loss.

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  57. At 07:12 PM on 18 Mar 2007, rob wrote:

    Woolmer has just passed away but no-one will say how, looks bad.

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  58. At 07:19 PM on 18 Mar 2007, Sanjay wrote:

    I think that this forum thing should be closed due to Bob Woolmer's tragic and sudden death.

    Many Regards,
    Sanjay

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  59. At 07:57 PM on 18 Mar 2007, Paul from Ireland wrote:

    The game is just that.....a game.

    Bob Woolmer understood that........maybe all of Pakistan needs to learn that.

    Better luck in the next World Cup.

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  60. At 08:12 PM on 18 Mar 2007, Bill Rogers wrote:

    I first realised what a fantastic game cricket was during that first world cup in 1975, and later that summer as England took on the great Aussie side of Lillee & Thomson, Chappell & Chappell. When Bob Woolmer scored 149 in the Oval Test, we realised that there was life for English cricket yet.

    Seeing him coach Warwickshire during their purple patch, South Africa on their triumphant return to international cricket, and Pakistan through the ups and downs of recent years, I have seen that there was still more to Bob Woolmer.

    I cheered when Ireland won, but am really saddened that all this has somehow led to Bob's death. May he rest in peace.

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  61. At 08:43 PM on 18 Mar 2007, oliver burns wrote:

    The death of Bob Woolmer has proven how much pressure coaches and managers are under, as an Irish supporter I send my heartfelt sympathy to Bob Woolmers family on his sad passing. Also may I say how I admire the sporting comments from many Pakistan supporters on this Thread, you will be back soon and as strong as ever.

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  62. At 12:47 AM on 19 Mar 2007, Jim W wrote:

    Firstly, deepest sympathies to the family and friends of Bob Woolmar. My thoughts are with you at this deeply sad time. No matter how deep our passion for sport is, it pales against a tragedy like this.


    As for the cricket, I am appalled at some of the comments here from obviously bitter Indian and Pakistani fans complaining about Ireland and Bangladesh's victories. There is nothing as bad as sore losers and the sub-continent seems to be producing a lot of them at this time.

    A comment like #33 from Akash is ridiculous. To say the Ireland and Bangladesh have spoiled the World Cup is crass and unsporting. It may have upset you that your team lost but that is what sport is about. Why should Ireland or Bangladesh bow down before the supposed world powers? Maybe you're just worried that such results are going to be more and more prevalent.

    Ireland or Bangladesh may not win the World Cup but with more games in tournaments like this they can continue to improve and if more teams can do that it can only be good for the long term future of Cricket.

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