39th-game could benefit Asian football
The Premier League's 39th-game proposal will be welcomed by the Asian Football Confederation (AFC) provided the Asians are approached in the right manner.
AFC President Mohamed Bin Hammam confirmed this when he spoke to me at Claridge's Hotel this morning. So what has changed since Bin Hammam reacted with much hostility to the idea when it was first made earlier this year?
Contact between the Asians and the Premier League has highlighted how a partnership can be mutually beneficial.
That contact has been developing since May when Bin Hammam met Premier League officials and they have further progressed in London this week over dinner with Premier League chief executive Richard Scudamore.
This will be followed by formal presentations by the Premier League to Bin Hammam on Thursday afternoon. In essence the Premier League is talking to the Asian Confederation in a respectful fashion and they are eager to listen.
But this is about much more than just respect, it is about Bin Hammam's Vision Asia project, using English expertise to develop football on the Asian continent.
Look back to February when I revealed the 39th-game plan. That is when Bin Hammam heard about it and he reacted against as he put it because it had not gone through the proper football channels - FA, Uefa and Fifa.
It is interesting under AFC rules he could not even then, as he admitted to me, have stopped an Asian country welcoming a 39th-game as AFC rules do not give him and his executive such powers.
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Since then Bin Hammam has worked out how he can use the Premier League for the good of Asian football. He is very aware of its power and sees it as the world's model football league.
He feels he can work with the League to help improve Asia's rather poor brand of football, where only seven countries in Asia have professional clubs.
Bin Hammam knows how the Premier League captivates millions of Asians, including himself. He told me how as a boy of 10 he had become a supporter of Liverpool merely by reading newspaper reports of them in his native Qatar.
Now he eagerly looks forward to Premier league matches. He is also well aware of the limitations of his own continent's football where there is no Asian equivalent of a Manchester United, Chelsea, Arsenal or Liverpool.
It concerns Bin Hammam that Asian television companies pay so many millions for the Premier League when they pay little or nothing for their own leagues. He now wants to use Premier league expertise to develop Asian football.
Bin Hammam has not been presented with a 39th-game plan but if he is and it is part of a partnership with the Premier league which he could sell to his fellow Asians to help Asian soccer then it could take off.
Unlike Fifa president Sepp Blatter or Uefa president Michel Platini, Bin Hammam does not feel concerned about foreign investment in the Premier league, even by Asians. He sees this as investors being attracted to the best football product in the market place.
Bin Hammam comes across as man who knows his market and is keen to exploit it. His comments may not be welcomed by football fanatics here but they will be music to the ears of the Premier League's power brokers.
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Frankly if they want to model the Asian league on the PL simply to improve their football then they should go for it.
In fact I can tell them the secret right now, it's ALL about the CASH. That's all that clubs care about now, winning trophies is merely a way into Europe which brings ... more cash!
Since the football association should be attempting to improve their own players standards then they must steer well clear of the rocks that are the PL model.
Seriously as if this 39th game idea was about anything other than generating cash. So when you say
"Bin Hammam has not been presented with a 39th-game plan but if he is and it is part of a partnership with the Premier league which he could sell to his fellow Asians to help Asian soccer then it could take off."
I presume you mean kill off most local links with players/fans but heck at least they will make some cash.
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It seems straightforward enough how the Premier League could benefit Asian football - if English teams go to Asia to play the "39th game" and really put on a good show, the crowd will be inspired to play football themselves. More people playing football means more good footballers have the chance to develop, which will lead to more investment in the infrastructure and ultimately a better standard of game in Asia.
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money money money money money money money money money
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Basically football has turned into a buisness.
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Excellent news hopefully the rest of the Barclays Premiership can go and stay there......
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They aren't trying this again are they?
Wow are there no lengths the Premier League won't do to try and get richer!!!
It is the ENGLISH Premier League not the ENGLISH (except for one game a year in Asia) Premier league.
Still won't ever be fair, there is no way they can make it so it's fair. You play a team 3 times if that's one of the top 4 and you are fighting for relegation that is blatantly unfair.
It's unworkable but as long as there is money they'll certainly try!!!
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It's such a ridiculous concept that only the brains of a money greedy, senseless waste of a corporate suit could have produced it. I'd be embarrased for the Premier league if it ever happened.
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To make this fair it needs to be a 39th game and a 40th game up to 57th game.
That way all the teams play each other 3 times once on a neutral ground, any other way would just be unbalanced and unfair.
It's a crap idea.
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Bin Hammam, is talking nonsense. Instead of paying the PL(Primadonnas league) more money. He should be setting realistic goals for his members.
For a start he needs to tackle the corruption in Asia. Games are fixed by bookies. Referees have bad reputation for making dodgy decisions.
90% of the stadia are empty.
The PL in England is about to implode, this nonsense 39th game is more like a 39th nervous breakdown.
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Improve the quality of the continent's football? Why would we want to do that?
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God! I thought this had gone away!
I have no doubt the 39th game would help football in Asia. However, as people have stated countless times - IT'S THE ENGLISH PREMIER LEAGUE.
My English friend who lives in Japan thinks we owe it to the rest of the world to play games abroad as they put so much money into the PL and English clubs. They started supporting clubs abroad, knowing full well competitive games wouldn't be played abroad. I can't see we owe them anything apart from friendlies.
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Scudamore ought to pipe down.
FIFA ought to take a tougher line on this nonsense, make it clear - if it wasn't already - that it's a Non-Starter.
These suits are ruining the game, and it's time to tell them where to sling it.
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A league with an uneven amount of games throughout a season just does not add up
(excuse the pun). How can it? If your're going to go down the route of playing games 'outside' England then at least make it two games not one! the 39th game will just become an anomaly - and an infuriating one at that, one which everyone one
(except the PL themselves) will grow to despise.
This is just a thoroughly self-serving, manipulative and frankly apalling idea that must be ditched once and for all NOW. iF the countries that are in favour of this extra game spent more money on their own domestic league and time marketing their own game to gain more national interest then there'd be no need for a grotesque 'show game' which will ultimately be the make or break game for clubs battling to avoid relegation.
Why should Spurs or a newly promoteed team have to jet off somehere over the other side of the world to play Man Utd in front of rich businessmen who don't understand the game anyway and couldn't care less about its history.
Is it fair on one team to have to play in Singapore when they're at the bottom and where it's 33 degrees all yr round while another team near the bottom pays in say Cape town where it's winter in June, is it? No of course it isnt - but people like Scudamore don't see these problems because they don't care. They only care about the big 4 clubs,'to hell with the rest' seems to be what they are thinking - even if they aren't saying this.
The whole idea is grotesque and could actually be to the PL's detriment rather than its advantage. Perhaps the Global financial crisis and credit crunch will see this idea bite the dust for good. I hope so.
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Sadly the most significant English thing about today's Premier League is that matches are played in England.
As the Premier League is fast becoming a circus (and a bubble waiting to be burst) why don't "The Billionaires" of Asia and the Middle East (and there'll be many more of them there than in Europe) simply buy Asian clubs and buy the best footballers in the world and play ALL the matches there ?
At least we might get to watch it on TV and perhaps a few English players might get the chance to play abroard and develop the rounded skills enabling the English International team to advance.
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Oh quelle surprise! Mr Hammam and the AFC have presumably seen the entirely, completely, and unquestionably football-orientated error of their ways and can see now how much this will benefit the development of talent and growth of competitive football in Asia. Of course. Money! What money!?
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I agree that a 39th Premier league game is going to be unfair on somebody at some point. So why not play a round of a cup abroad instead? You colud play, for example, the league cup 1/4 finals abroad. The foreigners would get to watch a competative, high(ish) quality game and English teams get to raise their profile abroad. As it would be a cup game at a neutral venue there would be no advantage / disadvantage to anyone. I know that there is always the possibility of say a Rotherham v Swansea (or other lower division matchups)- not exactly appealing for the foreign viewers. But the premier league could also inflict dull games on them (can't see too much interest in Bolton v Sunderland for example).
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The problem is that the development of football in Asia could come to a standstill, whilst the Premiership just gets stronger.
As good as the Premiership is and as global as the product is, other nations need to be given the freedom to develop and strengthen their own leagues.
I cannot agree either with the 39th game! It will turn the Premiership into a plastic league, more interested in making money and promoting itself rather than being a competitive league in the true spirit of the game.
The 39th game will, on many occasions, make the difference as to who wins the league, who goes down, who qualifies for Europe and so on and that can't be right when it's only a game for the promotion of the Premiership and a game to increase revenue.
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What a ridiculous idea.
You know what's going to happen?
Say they contractually schedule a few games to go overseas - and I say a few games, meaning they would only want to schedule games that the Top 5 or 6 EPL clubs who are well known and popular throughout the world.
Then it turns out at the end of the season that half of the big name clubs end up near the middle of the table to play a meaningless final game abroad, and nobody shows up to watch it because there is nothing to be played for, and the big players do not want to play, either -
unless, of course, contractually, because it is a special game abroad, they all get paid big money.
THAT is simply going to ruin the whole concept and it will NEVER happen.
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Why do the BBC pay Mihir Bose to keep stating the very obvious and even then misinterpreting it. There is nothing a 39th game will do for the standards of Asian football excpet generate a lot of money for peop,le who have no wish to develop anyhting except their bank balance. I guess the real issue is both the greed of the Premier League and their desire to become a global franchise (you can see this being the thin edge of a wedge that will lead to no relegation and the US model of sport). I suspect the problem the Asians have got is a lot of interest in football but no way of monetising it - unlike say cricket has done in developing a global 20/20 franchise. The only way they can benefit from the 39th game concept is to somehow revenue share in the TV rights but this makes less sense for the premier League as the raison d'etre of the 39th plan is to increase their revenue. So sharing the money just to get the ganme would be cynical in the extreme and the record of national FAs with development money is poor to say the least.
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To be fair to Richard Scudamore, who is an excellent represntative for the Premier League, whether you agree with the 39th game proposal or not, all he is doing is trying to keep the English Premier League as the most sought after league in the world. He is bringing more more to our clubs and keeping them at the top and challenging for more European titles.
I personally don't agree with it but thats business for you these days.
He is just trying to keep the EPL at the top of the game. He did it by getting an amazing Sky TV deal, he did it by getting millions and millions pouring in from all over the world. He isn't stupid, as he said today - people don't want to watch English clubs play half hearted friendlies in Asia. They will pay even more for the real thing.
And on the point of Mohammad Bin Hammam, its obvious that the only reason he spoke out against it before was because he was quite clearly never consulted as to how much money the AFC would have got out of it. Now the EPL have probably sat down with him and gone through the potential, his eyes have lit up like a christmas tree!
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I think the 39th game won't happen.... not because of Uefa, Fifa or any football ruling body but because the Leagues, and those authorities, will lose the last vestiges of control over the clubs.
The clubs drove the tedious group stages of the Champions League through because it madegetting knocked out very difficult... had the thing stayed an unseeded knockout tournement the G14 would have peeled off anyway.
But when clubs begin controlling their own TV rights , and when Dubai own Liverpool(as they are extremely likely to succeed in doingl when the weight of debt proves too much for even the most hard-balling of hard boiled Americans to carry..then a double header "Super-seven-day-showdown-in-the-sands-of-Arabia" can't be far off.
City v LIverpool in Abu Dhabi followed the next weekend by Liverpool V City in Dubai, playing at the respective wonder stadiums that will be built in the "Sports Cities" in each place..... as they say (over and over again!) 'would be a mouth watering prospect'.
The Brand assets .... (what we used to call fans)..... will be able to enjoy a week in the sun with cut priced air fares and special offer stays at the various Marriotts and Hiltons.(If the collateral money is good enough many will even be able to go free no doubt)
The 39th game is a quaint anachronism before it even gets off the ground when you can have both the 14th and 15th games instead.
(If and when the leveraged debt at City's neighbours starts to unravel...and should the property slowdown really crunch Arsenal... then by tieing in Kuwait and Saudi buyers could even lead to quadruple "fortnights of destiny in the desert"... chucking Arsenal and Man Utd into it as well.)
Give it a few years and we may see the only reminder that it was once the 'English premier League' being the bizarre tradition that the second Sunday in May is the only time all the games are played in a single country----as it is now it's already the only time they all take place at the same time on the same day.
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i thought this whole 39th game idea was in teh past!!!
it wont work now and will never work ever so they should just give up.
...theres more to football than just money. The fa should wise up and realise this!
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I have nothing against a "39th game" provided that it doesn't contribute to the final standings of the EPL. A "friendly" match between two sides in another continent where they must put out the best side available to them would be more convenient because to add another game to the EPL fixture list is ludacris - and unfair. Some teams will be drawn against easier/harder opposition than others and so it wouldn't be just. The only way this "39th game" idea can work is if it's just a friendly match, and not a match that affects the EPL table.
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Well they can kiss their money goodbye if they want to play meaningful games in Asia because the local fans will be jilted. Especially the season ticket holders and the sponsors. Oh yeah AIG sponsor of Man Utd. was lending money to itself so what sponsor?
Its not going to happen anyway because FIFA won't let it happen. Unless Blatter drinks milk from one side and spits it out the other.
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I remember, just yesterday you had an editorial with a headline "39th game to take back seat - for now (52)", and today you are coming with something thats totally opposite...
Your scouts (and sources) seem to be poorer than that of Juande Ramos'.
And regards to the 39th game, i would be welcoming it if helps the asian (or african or any other host countries' ) football.
But then why only premierleague, i would equally welcome teams from other leagues too.
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If only there were a competition that could be staged in any country in the world, and could attract all of the top players from around the world to compete for a highly prestigous trophy...
Oh, wait!
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Foreign players. Foreign managers. Foreign owners. Matches played abroad. Could someone explain to me where the English bit is?
The only remaining English identity in our Premier League is the grounds. Take that away and we may as well pack up right now.
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its all about the people at the top, no one cares what the fans think, because even if they speak up, no one is going to listen and will do what they want anyway.
I don't support a team in the Premier League, but feel sorry for whoever does when this gets the go ahead. Its all about the ca$h now...
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It makes me uneasy how the Premier League is referred to as a "brand".
If this ridiculous proposition actually goes through, English football is going to become increasingly less community-based and the average fan supporting their local team will disappear. The rich will become richer, and more of the poorer clubs will slip into administration.
If you want to see everthing thats wrong with English football today, go watch a game at the Emirates.
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Don't know why they can't do something like the Charity/Community Shield if they really want to do something that is competitive, yet won't impinge on the average fan.
To us this is a nothing match, getting tickets isn't all that difficult because not many people here think of it as being all that important.
But somewhere like Asia it would be recognised as having a competitive component, would feature two teams they're actually interested in seeing and wouldn't have any effect on the actual Premier League.
The Charity Shield is our least important game of the season outside of friendlies. If they really must have a competitive game overseas this is the one to use and I doubt all that many fans here would be concerned where it was played.
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This poposal is nothing to do with the development of the Asian game but about making money.
Asia is the most populas continent in the world and have the resources to put in place programmes that will identify individuals with the right attribute to attract European teams. Europe is always looking out for a cheap bargain.
The import of African, North American players into the European leagues has made these national teams stronger and has inspired others within these continent.
Asia could also raise its profile and development by offering more players, playing in Europe approaching the end of their careers like Beckham, Ranaldo, Lunberg, etc the opportunity to play in Asia.
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Mihir and his money men in Asia will end up playing the race card. Making out that English football supporters are prejudiced against Asians if they don't want to improve the standard of Asian football. It'll happen.
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NO
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why not have a end of season cup in asia/wherever every 2 years with the winners getting money or a place in eurpe somehow (bad idea i know..)
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Absolutely disasterous idea. 39th game? What nonsense. The best compromise to this increasing farce is, as someone else says, play a cup round there, FA if they want high profile. But it is worryingly transparent, the money motives, if they add a fixture to the season. Stupid.
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By all means export it abroad - then they too will see how dull and overrated it is.
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If this goes ahead, I'll stop following the premiership, even though I love Spurs to death, this is going too far. Ridiculous idea, foreign fans should concentrate on their own leagues and pay to watch them, rather than following teams on the other side of the world. I dont care how much money can be made, keep the Premier League in England, where it belongs.
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Is Mihir on the payroll?
He seems to have some sort of vested interest in helping to make this happen.
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One thing I like about football leagues is that they're mathematically fair. You get 2 chances against every other team. One at their place, one at yours.
There's no way they could continue this mathematic fairness with a single extra game each, it would have to be an extra whole round of games each.
That would be impossible unless the teams play constantly all year round, and I don't think the Premier League teams will be up for that.
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Urgh... if this plan goes forward, then thats a good way of making mone nd everything
HOWEVER the idea of counting the points is just plain stupid
imagine that Team A are relegated by a point. Team B float just above them.
The draw for the 39th game was that Team A would play Man U, but team B played a very mediocre team in which there was a bigger chance in winning.
Fair competition? I dont think so. It ruins the laws of symmetry.
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How can a 39th game be fairly allocated? The present league format is on an equal home and away basis. This distorts the fair allocation of games. Home advantage is crucial and may be critical in an end of season match.
They might as well shift Old Trafford brick by brick to Shanghai. Our wonderful British game has been stolen from us. All I ask is please leave Barnsley alone. We must be something left from the British game when the rich have taken their plunder.
We was robbed!
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Players aren't British. Owners aren't British. Games aren't played in Britain. Goodbye premier league.
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Having listened to the interview of Bin Hammam, he seems genuine and open to new ideas. This is understandble, given that if they can bring competitive English football to Asia, that will undoubtedly bring money and glamour to Asian football - something in short supply other than in the later stages of the AFC Champions League and A-League.
In my opinion, 'Game 39' or any form of competitive LEAGUE games should not take place outside of England.
However, I would welcome a new competition whereby the winners qualify for the UEFA Cup. I outlined a potential format for a 'Premier League Global Cup' tournament here - http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A39131264
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Can't believe they're still considering this ridiculous concept.
Game 39 of the season. Man Utd and Chelsea equal on points, the most exciting season ever. Man Utd play Sunderland, already relegated and disinterested in playing competitively. Chelsea play Tottenham, fighting for a place in the top 4 and a Champions League berth.
^^ See how idiotic this could become?
You'll either find the who league decided on the back of a random extra game. Or you'll see a series of boring games if the relegation and top 4 placings are already decided.
Why does the beautiful game have to become so gimmicky? What next? Captains throwing dice to "win" an extra substitution? Night games at 2am so the Asians can tune in at a nice time? Balloons instead of footballs?
Anyway, the Asians only care about Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal and Man Utd. On my travels i've never had an asian come up to me, ask where im from and then go "ah you from England? Middlesborough! West Ham! Crystal Palace!"
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I'd be quite happy for the league to go bust really
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"Players aren't British. Owners aren't British. Games aren't played in Britain. Goodbye premier league" Great comment - loved it - so so true.
Something rotten in this country - too much overseas money and influence in the game. It really concerns me. Money talks, and in a game thats so unregulated and so obviously has corruption written into is DNA, its so dangerous.
The league could loose its "Englishness". When some of our biggest clubs go bust because their overseas owners go bust, or just leave because they get bored, who picks up the pieces and suffers?..... us!
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Can people stop calling it the ENGLISH premier league!..it's actually called the BARCLAYS Premier league..i.e NOTHING to do with england.
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Still not sure about this idea. Worth a consideration though, if it induces apoplexy in Sepp Blather and causes his sidekick Platini to chuck his toys out of his pram.
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Stop moaning about money money money because football has been about money....
The day the clubs started employing players as full time staff were the days football became a business.
To have employees you must have a business and businesses are setup to make money.
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Its a ridiculous idea and i hope it never happens, but i just cant understand how Scudamore still has his job. The guy is clueless, he showed a lack of awarness and cop on when he messed up the whole Tevez affair and now he is promoting this appalling plan. The guy should be sacked immediatley.
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Not this again. I thought we were past this. Right:
1) Nobody wants yet anther game in an already congested season.
2) Nobody wants to fly half way around the world to play it.
3) Consider a scenario where Chelsea are top of the league by 1 point after 38 games. They then have to play Arsenal and lose. Man Utd play Stoke and win, thereby winning the league. Fair? Likewise for teams in a relegation batle.
4) If they make it so the games don't count towards the league then who's going to bother sending out their first-team players? They'll send out a youth team, rendering the whole exercise redundant.
Phew, rant over.
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Chelsea play Tottenham, fighting for a place in the top 4 and a Champions League berth.
^^ See how idiotic this could become?
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Yeah, Spurs chasing 4th???? LUNACY
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Unless the matches held are not competitive then it will not work.
If these games are to be competitive then it is the biggest farce ever made.
For arguments sake, Chelsea and Man Utd are 1st and 2nd respectivly after 38 games. Chelsea are top by a point.
Chelsea get drawn against say Arsenal and have to play their game in Dubai. Man Utd get drawn against say Stoke, and play their game in Portugal.
The distances the seperate club will have to travel will always benefit one of the sides and what club they have to face will also be beneficial to one of the sides. Making the whole league an unfair farce.
Also the same at the other end of the scale. What if two teams are fighting relegation, one team gets Man Utd the other team gets bottom place who have only managed 1 win all season.
Unless these games are friendlies then it is the most stupid proposal by a very stupid man.
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A stupid idea thought up by greedy clubs with massive debts. As for the idiot Asian countries who support this, how about promoting and putting the money into your own leagues?
I hope this idea fall through.
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It seems straightforward enough how the Premier League could benefit Asian football - if English teams go to Asia to play the "39th game" and really put on a good show, the crowd will be inspired to play football themselves. More people playing football means more good footballers have the chance to develop, which will lead to more investment in the infrastructure and ultimately a better standard of game in Asia.
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Utter nonsense! All this will say is that in order to succeed, you need a mssive acount of money to buy the right players. What value exactly can English football bring to Asia?
The game is immensely popular there - a lot of people already play the game. Infrastrucrure in Malaysia is better than in the UK.
In order for Asian countries to clim the "football ladder", a 'grassroots' chagne need to be effected. This starts with a mentality change.
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If the Barclays Premier League is not English, then fine, it doesn't have English in the title so why call it English?
But wait a minute, I thought only clubs who can participate in the Premier League and the Football League (and Non-leagues for that matter) represent the ENGLISH Football Association (I say English association, as it is not English clubs exclusively represented as three Welsh clubs, namely Cardiff, Swansea and Wrexham play under the umbrella of the English FA).
In a nutshell, the league is sanctioned by the English FA, and it's sanction alone implies its English Association with the Premier League in all but name.
This sponsor talk is a smokescreen, all the clubs are still from these shores, so there is no justification for transferring a domestic league into fixtures which would be played abroad, based on the lack of 'English' in the official title of the league.
But lets not get bogged down by technicality - don't say English, say British if you want - the fact is that clubs can only come from Britain to represent the Premier League. This is why the Premier League is English, and is why it cannot ever have live fixtures transferred abroad, especially when every other semblance of our league being English, or even British has been eroded.
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To be honest I'd never want the team that I support anywhere near that money grabbing filthy league anyway, so it doesn't make a blind bit of difference to me.
Good luck to them, I hope they play all of their games infront of all their adoring fans around the globe.
The real fans will just have to cut their losses and support a real football club, not some kind of sick business machine.
Perish the thought of a team playing a game in the place of their origin, with fans that spend every waking hour thinking of their club.
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rather than having a league game abroad they could expand the charity shield, having league winners, runners up, fa cup winners, and league cup winners. have a group of 4 and they all play each other once.. that way they are getting more than one game abroad and its also a kind of competitive competition.
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Given that the Asian Football Confederation has no power to veto 39th games played within Asia, as is stated in this article, what difference does it make what its president thinks about the proposal?
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