Obama seeks business boost with Daley pick
Bill Daley is a banker, a lawyer, a Washington insider and a member of one of the Democrats' most powerful dynasties.
He is the seventh child of Chicago's former mayor Richard Daley, who ran the city in the 1960s and 1970s, and the brother of the current mayor, also Richard Daley.
Bill Daley is one of the political mentors of the man he'll be replacing, Rahm Emanuel, who is running to become Chicago's next mayor just to keep things neat and tidy.
President Barack Obama's critics will focus on this point, claiming that, when in trouble, Mr Daley runs back to the old Chicago machine. But apparently he and the president don't know each other that well.
One of the hold-ups in the announcement seems to have been the need to hold face-to-face sessions to make sure the two are capable of getting along.
The real importance of the appointment is that Bill Daley, an executive of JP Morgan Chase, is well-liked by financiers and those in big business - and Mr Obama needs to mend fences with them.
Mr Daley was also Bill Clinton's commerce secretary and an architect of Nafta (North American Free Trade Agreement) and is still disliked by many unions here. His friends contend he's an operator, and perhaps he's got the job for that reason alone. But it looks like a signal that Mr Obama is tacking to the centre - not worried about what his left wing might say.
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I’m Mark Mardell, the BBC's North America editor. These are my reflections on American politics, some thoughts on being a Brit living in the USA, and who knows what else? My 
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Mark Mardell wrote:
"...But it looks like a signal that Mr Obama is tacking to the centre - not worried about what his left wing might say."
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The candidate came into office with help from the Left and others, but due to current circumstances President Obama must now be a Centrist. He has no political choice, for these are troubled times. He can swing neither to the hard Left or the hard Right.
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Mark Mardell "He is the seventh child of Chicago's former mayor Richard Daley, who ran the city in the 1960s and 1970s, and the brother of the current mayor, also Richard Daley."
Same old, same old...
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Is it not comical that a Daley bro is going to the White House and that Emanuel is going back to Chi-town???
Lol...
I guess the White House is going to get that Chicago touch!
But hey, it's not Blago!
And actually, the Daleys are pretty big, here, I mean, they keep getting re-elected, so actually they will probabaly help President Obama a lot...
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3. LucyJ:
"Is it not comical that a Daley bro is going to the White House and that Emanuel is going back to Chi-town???
Lol.."
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I was hoping Obama would find an experienced business advisor who (a) didn't want to give all his money away and (b) didn't want the taxpayers to pay for his firm's losses.
And look whom we wind up with -- someone who knows a thing or two about the connection between government jobs and votes. Good luck reducing the government payroll before Obama runs again.
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"But it looks like a signal that Mr Obama is tacking to the centre - not worried about what his left wing might say."
Really? Then why has the Interior Dept been given instructions to change its policies to give itself the authority to designate more public lands as wilderness areas wihout approval from Congress, thereby locking them up from any type of oil or mineral exploration--something the left has been wanting since Obam took office.
Listen to what President Obama says but also watch what he does. He's a lot more canny than people give him credit for and he doesn't always take the most direct path to his goal. His move to the center is mostly for show. He needs to look more centrist in order to work with the new Republican majority in the House but his long term goals haven't changed and are still very left of center.
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Keep in mind that baseline for center is different in American politics than those of Europe; what most Europeans would consider centrist would be seen as left of center by most people in the U.S.
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Andrea wrote: And look whom we wind up with -- someone who knows a thing or two about the connection between government jobs and votes. Good luck reducing the government payroll before Obama runs again.
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Only two years, Andrea...
But then again, a lot can happen in two years!
I'm not from Chicago, so I'm not the Chicago politics type...but I do love the Bears!!! :)
I do find it a bit odd that so many people are leaving Obama Admin, but maybe they can't handle the White House...
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Mark, can you explain this further?
"Bill Daley, an executive of JP Morgan Chase, is well-liked by financiers and those in big business - and Mr Obama needs to mend fences with them."
I haven't read a single blog anywhere saying he needs to mend fences with big businesses?! It's the American people he needs to mend fences with - and this appointment is clearly not for them - because Obama is fighting battles from the right and left wings!
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5. Scott0962:
"Listen to what President Obama says but also watch what he does."
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A leopard doesn't change its spots. It just dons a new coat during election time.
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But it looks like a signal that Mr Obama is tacking to the centre - not worried about what his left wing might say.
I'd be interested to see your examples of instances when the President has been worried about what his left wing might say.
In the meantime, enjoy the humor in hearing the right insist on calling Obama a socialist.
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"He is the seventh child of Chicago's former mayor Richard Daley, who ran the city in the 1960s and 1970s, and the brother of the current mayor, also Richard Daley."
Da Mob! :D
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ref #5
The job of the Chief of Staff is to administrate and facilitate not be an idelouge.
so its an excelent choice.
A plus for Obama is that most people have nothing for contempt for George soros and Move on org and as they oppose it help Obama perception.
Only negative a tie to the Chicago politcal machine
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I hope Mr. Daley helps President Obama do a good job.
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Chris_McB, (#8. At 9:48pm on 06 Jan 2011)
”... I haven't read a single blog anywhere saying he needs to mend fences with big businesses? ...”
Perhaps you need to look elsewhere.
http://www.npr.org/2010/12/15/132087144/Obama-CEOs-Discuss-Ways-To-Spur-Growth
http://www.bendbulletin.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100711/NEWS0107/7110308/1032
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re.#8. At 9:48pm on 06 Jan 2011, Chris_McB wrote:
Mark, can you explain this further?
"Bill Daley, an executive of JP Morgan Chase, is well-liked by financiers and those in big business - and Mr Obama needs to mend fences with them."
I haven't read a single blog anywhere saying he needs to mend fences with big businesses?! It's the American people he needs to mend fences with - and this appointment is clearly not for them - because Obama is fighting battles from the right and left wings!
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An excellent observation. Why would President Obama need to mend fences with Wall Street and big business? Didn't he deliver massive Federal subsidies to shield them from the effects of the economic downturn? Didn't he save bankers and brokers' lucrative bonuses? Didn't he allow "banking reform" to be so watered down as to be largely meaningless?
Sure, he took some good shots at BP, Halliburton and the others involved in the Gulf oil spill but c'mon, that was to be expected in a disaster as big and as well publicized as that one. Democrats like to portray Republicans as as the party which represents the interests of big businesses but they also do a pretty good impression of Santa Claus when it comes to handing out the government goodies to businesses.
To be fair to Mark, I can think of one group of big businesses that President Obama might need to mend fences with: defense contractors. The adminstration has canceled or drastically scaled back purchases of some very large and very lucrative items of defense hardware.
Speaking of which, how many people noticed that although the Obama adminstration had earlier canceled production of the highly capable, and fully operational, F-22 Raptor stealth fighter on the grounds that it was too expensive and instead would buy additional F-35s, today they announced the military was scaling back procurement of the yet to be operational F-35 on the grounds that problems and delays in development have raised the per unit cost by about 50%? Our fighter pilots needn't worry about their jobs though, there's a growing demand for drone pilots in the U.S. military.
By the way, wasn't Britain planning to buy F-35s for use on that new aircraft carrier you have coming? Maybe you should keep those Harriers in storage just in case.
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mscracker: "Same old, same old..."
MagicKirin: "its an excellent choice."
I agree; I'm not surprised that another Chicagoan will be in the White House to aid Pres. Obama, though he does seem to have an impressive resume.
I don't know much about the Daley family, but I know about their prominence in Chicago; they are a bit like the Landrieus in New Orleans.
LucyJ: "I do find it a bit odd that so many people are leaving [the] Obama Admin..."
It's never a walk in the park LucyJ; I don't envy them.
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I hope he had a great rest in Hawaii, but he could have just stayed there for the next 2 years.
It does not matter anymore who he chooses for what.
The american people made sure that nothing will happen in the next two years just fighting as usual.
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# 12. At 00:13am on 07 Jan 2011, MagicKirin wrote:
“ref #5
The job of the Chief of Staff is to administrate and facilitate not be an idelouge (sic)./so its (sic) an excelent (sic) choice./A plus for Obama is that most people have nothing for (sic) contempt for George soros and Move on org and as they oppose it help Obama perception (sic)./Only negative a tie to the Chicago politcal (sic) machine”
Presumably you meant to say “most people have nothing but contempt for George Soros and Move on org”
I have no idea what ‘most people’ think of George Soros and Move on org. Indeed I have no idea what if any relevance they have to Obama’s Chief of Staff.
I do know that both are obsessively hated by certain right-wingers.
So perhaps you could provide links to some independent polling data that demonstrates that “most people have nothing but contempt for George Soros and Move on org”?
Or are you, as usual, confusing ‘MK and other right wingers believe’ with ‘most people believe’?
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"By the way, wasn't Britain planning to buy F-35s for use on that new aircraft carrier you have coming? Maybe you should keep those Harriers in storage just in case."
Our glorious UK government idiocy keeps on rolling...
Anyone want to buy a couple of new carriers?
Get yours before the Chinese turn them into more schools.
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# 12. At 00:13am on 07 Jan 2011, MagicKirin wrote:
“ref #5/The job of the Chief of Staff is to administrate and facilitate not be an idelouge (sic)./so its (sic) an excelent (sic) choice./A plus for Obama is that most people have nothing for (sic) contempt for George soros and Move on org and as they oppose it help Obama perception (sic)./Only negative a tie to the Chicago politcal (sic) machine”
Presumably you meant to say “most people have nothing but contempt for George Soros and Move on org”.
I have no idea what ‘most people’ think of George Soros and Move on org. Indeed I have no idea what if any relevance they have to Obama’s Chief of Staff.
I do know that both are obsessively hated by certain right-wingers.
So perhaps you could provide links to some independent polling data that demonstrates that “most people have nothing but contempt for George Soros and Move on org”?
Or are you, as usual, confusing ‘MK and other right wingers believe’ with ‘most people believe’?
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For practical politics and achievement in that realm, Bill Daley, and the more-so his family, have a solid record. To the 'left', this appointment couldn't be any more disheartening than the financial advisers selected at this administration's outset. The 'change' many may have hoped for doesn't seem at the ready, but may begin to come about in the next decade of possible see-saw like recovery/commodity shock economics that may cast 'change' in a more positive light.
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" He is the seventh child of Chicago's former mayor Richard Daley, who ran the city in the 1960s and 1970s"
And who (Daley sr.) was known for replying to JFK's question whether Chicago can deliver the vote (It was his SON when certain BHO was running for the president) with a question:
"How many votes do you need, senator?"
And later implored his constituency:
"VOTE EARLY, VOTE OFTEN!"
[thus reminding me of a certain gen. Gazputin]
P.S. Yes Mark, I remember that many a stiff from greater Chicago's cemeteries 'voted' for J.F. Kennedy.
Which would make Al Capone proud.
BTW. JFK eventually 'won' by about 100 000 votes :-)))
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Freeman wrote:
"By the way, wasn't Britain planning to buy F-35s for use on that new aircraft carrier you have coming? Maybe you should keep those Harriers in storage just in case."
Since UK won't have any F-35 capable aircraft-carriers for quite a few years I think the point is moot.
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A word to the would-be wise about "the centre ground of politics".....it`s not what it`s dressed-up to be!
When the rich and powerful people who run our global capitalist world wanted us to fight wars to make them richer and more powerful.....they re-invented the idea of "democracy" ...complete with two main political parties ...supposedly holding different views and representing different sections of society.
To avoid us realising that all politicians only get the job if they promise to ignore the interests of voters ....and do what the rich and powerful want.. they invented "the centre ground"!
This modern day cure-all linctus is represented to reflect the views of the majority of voters...and we are led to believe that by "moving to the centre" politicians are bending to OUR will...O yeah?
Well you examine the policies and more importantly the behaviour of governments and just see how closely they reflect the views and interests of the "man in the street".....and dwell on that.
My contention is that in Britain and the USA we effectively live in one-party dictatorships run by and for the benefit of rich and powerful people who increasingly don`t even live or pay tax in our nations.
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Anyway...enough of my "contentions"...it`s clear to me that the world is not yet receptive to my daft ideas!
I have really enjoyed my Christmas on the BBC`s website and been agreeably surprised by the tolerance shown to my views....for they are hardly mainstream BBC opinions!
I wish you ALL well in 2011...yes every one and all of you...whatever you think of my bizarre ideas.
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Official "unemployment" is down to 9.4% from 9.8%, and we were only short in creating 22,000 more jobs for the period to stay stable. The unemployment benefits ran out for the 0.4% so Obama's record looks better. If he lets them all run out, he can get "official" unemployment under 1%. (It can be fun to think like Obama.)
It seems Mr. Daley is highly qualified. This is most unusual for an Obama appointment.
Obama would resume as a socialist if his political survival was not in question.
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If we're talking about the seventh son out of Chicago, maybe Bill Daley has a bit of the Hootchie Cootchie Man in him---
On the seventh hour, of the seventh day,
On the seventh month, the seventh doctor said;
"He's been born for good luck", and I know you see;
Got seven hundred dollars, so don't you mess with me
http://video.filestube.com/watch,1acca6629cac8f4d03e9/Muddy-Waters-Hoochie-Coochie-Man-1968.html
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Re: #26 worcesterjim:
I'm sure much of the world shares many of your "contentions". It's only our lack of seeing the exit from what they portend that keeps us from voicing them along with you.
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Bankers own the congress so this is the right person. Not so good in terms of change but the correct political move. The bankers, like the Republicans, are liars and hypocrites so they will be able to deceive the people and move the banking agenda forward. The interest of the people is of no interests at all....American politics of lying to the people to vote for things that are not in their interests.
Has anyone noticed that of all the suggested cuts none have addressed the taxes for large corporations and how most pay little or no taxes at all. Seems that money is of no interest to the government...need to cut all the social supports of the people...who by the way paid to have such supports. When Ronald Reagan adopted,what he called, the consolidated budget, the inclusion of Social Security for spending on other things by congress and the White House, the problem was on the path of what is the realities of today. Fools and their money are soon parted..
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, LucyJ wrote:
Is it not comical that a Daley bro is going to the White House and that Emanuel is going back to Chi-town???
to paraphrase Frank Zappa:
Going to Chicago soon
wanna be a dental floss tycoon.
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VOTE EARLY , VOTE OFTEN!
(mayor Daley, sr.)
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ann arbor wrote:
Official "unemployment" is down to 9.4% from 9.8%, and we were only short in creating 22,000 more jobs for the period to stay stable.
Whereas might euro (about to replace "worthless US$") dropped again:
from almost 1.4 to to 1.29.
And that despite us printing extra 600 billion bucks which should have weakened the dollar significantly.
Can anyone explain it?
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worcesterjim wrote:
I have really enjoyed my Christmas on the BBC`s website and been agreeably surprised by the tolerance shown to my views....for they are hardly mainstream BBC opinions!
I wish you ALL well in 2011...yes every one and all of you...whatever you think of my bizarre ideas.
I, for one enjoyed them, although, to be perfectly honest, I enjoy worcester sauce even more.
Particularly on my steak tartar. :-)
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So another member of the Chicago machine goes to the Obama Whitehouse. It seems this life-long Dem (party for the blue-collar working stiff) has an impressive resume from... Wall Street. If either of these facts shocks anybody here, then I have some land to sell you in a place called Okefenokee... ;)
To me, the biggest news on moves is Gibbs leaving. I have read articles today from left, right and center; all slamming Gibbs for his shallow arrogance (among other things). Personally, I loved to watch him fence with the press corps, especially when I saw the sweat on his shiny brow.
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SPERLING!
Another new kid on the block
"President Obama will announce Friday that Gene Sperling, a former Clinton administration official and current adviser to Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, will serve as director of the National Economic Council. It's another appointment seen as a move to the center, and especially as an attempt to reach out to business. But as with William Daley, Sperling's ties to the banking industry make some on the left nervous" (news wires)
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hehe :-)))
http://www.thedailybeast.com/beltway-beast/the-william-daley-paradox-can-everyone-really-like-the-new-white-house-chief-of-staff/?om_rid=DydqY8&om_mid=_BNJi-yB8XEEv1O
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Forget Gibbs.
Now, THAT's the NEWS! :-)))
It looks like Juan Williams took NPR’s senior vice president of news, Ellen Weiss, down with him. Weiss has resigned following a review of her firing of Juan Williams over remarks he made on Fox’s The O’Reilly Factor. In addition to Weiss’ departure, NPR announced a plan to “review and define the roles of NPR journalists” to better fit a multi-platform news environment, “balancing the opportunities presented by such outlets and platforms with the potential for conflicts of interest that may compromise NPR's mission." On The O'Reilly Factor, Williams [a liberal African-American journalist] said that people in "Muslim garb" on planes make him nervous, and after he was fired received a three-year contract with Fox News.[AP,etc.]
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Oldloadr (#34)
If still interested in Gibbs (yesterday's news) it turns he also out he eked as a personal chauffeur for Obama's kids. :-)
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2011-01-05/robert-gibbs-resigns-behind-the-white-house-press-secretarys-exit/?om_rid=DydqY8&om_mid=_BNJcG-B8XD5EMn
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The new business friendly Oscama,this guy has a face for every occasion.Which ever way the wind blows he is along for the ride,this about face is not about concern for the unemployed or what the people want this is the old political hack getting reelected i do not believe the country can take another four years of this inane leadership,that will be 16 years of mind numbing leadership lord spare us.
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39. At 5:27pm on 07 Jan 2011, crash wrote:
i do not believe the country can take another four years of this inane leadership,that will be 16 years of mind numbing leadership lord spare us.
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Before Obama is done, the mushy middle, aka independents, will be looking back fondly on the Bush years, just as many of us knuckle dragging right-wingers already do. Of course the left are in a tizzy now, since they have no plan B and they are getting more and more frustrated with Mr. Hope & Change... to my constant amusement.
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"Oldloadr wrote:
Before Obama is done, the mushy middle, aka independents, will be looking back fondly on the Bush years, just as many of us knuckle dragging right-wingers already do. Of course the left are in a tizzy now, since they have no plan B and they are getting more and more frustrated with Mr. Hope & Change... to my constant amusement."
Hey I'm a liberal and I'm missing Bush too. The current batch of conservatives coming out of the woodwork these days makes President Bush look positively enlightened.
You're right we (on the left) are disappointed with President Obama but we're not so disappointed that we'd just give up and sink the country further by voting for more mouth breathers. We'll take our centrist. I'd expect many moderates will also identify with one of their own and keep President Obama as well.
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ref #37
, powermeerkat wrote:
Re #34
Forget Gibbs.
Now, THAT's the NEWS! :-)))
It looks like Juan Williams took NPR’s senior vice president of news, Ellen Weiss, down with him. Weiss has resigned following a review of her firing of Juan Williams over remarks he made on Fox’s The O’Reilly Factor. In addition to Weiss’ departure, NPR announced a plan to “review and define the roles of NPR journalists” to better fit a multi-platform news environment, “balancing the opportunities presented by such outlets and platforms with the potential for conflicts of interest that may compromise NPR's mission." On The O'Reilly Factor, Williams [a liberal African-American journalist] said that people in "Muslim garb" on planes make him nervous, and after he was fired received a three-year contract with Fox News.[AP,etc.]
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Williams was really fired for not being liberal enough in NPR minds of what an african american should be. Nina Tottenberg and the late Daniel Shuer said far more hateful things.
NPR in it's arrogance did not see the backlash.
But public brodcasting is no longer needed so that is one area that can be cut completely.
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22. Tinkersdamn:
"For practical politics and achievement in that realm, Bill Daley, and the more-so his family, have a solid record."
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Solid record of achievement? What kinds of achievement, exactly, are you admiring? Chicago-style achievements? You have to read what Chicago newspapers columnists are writing about him to get the full "richness" of his background. He's what you get when you combine a smart, greedy investment banker with a cut-throat politician -- a rather unattractive package, but effective.
The one thing we should have learned about Obama by now is that he is a ruthless politician willing to do whatever it takes to get elected. Obama's pure Chicago.
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"My contention is that in Britain and the USA we effectively live in one-party dictatorships run by and for the benefit of rich and powerful people who increasingly don`t even live or pay tax in our nations."
Actually these are 2 party dictatorships. however I wonder that you seem surprised.
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MK: Williams was really fired for not being liberal enough in NPR minds of what an african american should be. Nina Tottenberg and the late Daniel Shuer said far more hateful things.
NPR in it's arrogance did not see the backlash.
For some here Colin Powell and Condie Rice were wrong kind of blacks.
Just like a current Republican Party chairman who happens to be...African-American.
BTW. A sanitized version of "Huckleberry Finn" is going to be published next month ("Tom Sawyer" has already been mutilated) for Mark Twain has been recently 'outed' as an offensive racist. [sic]
Except its PC editors have not participated a public outrage.
Just as in Juan Williams' case.
[who knows, at this rate perhaps Faulkner will be next?]
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Re#45.
Actually it's number of poor people who don't pay any taxes, which is growing much faster.
[if in doubt - call IRS]
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Correction to #46
"Except its PC editors have not participated a public outrage."
Obviously have not ANTICIPATED an outrage their censorship would provoke.
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15 million jobless is like a mid-size country in Europe.
That is what Obama should be concerned about, not healthcare and taxes/
Of course he cant solve real problems so he joined that show business.
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Pmk wrote: Actually it's number of poor people who don't pay any taxes, which is growing much faster.
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Don't blame poor people for Congress' decisions...
Also, I would like to add that many poor people do not want to be poor and would rather have a good job and pay taxes to help our country...
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Pmk wrote: BTW. A sanitized version of "Huckleberry Finn" is going to be published next month ("Tom Sawyer" has already been mutilated) for Mark Twain has been recently 'outed' as an offensive racist. [sic]
Except its PC editors have not participated a public outrage.
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I don't understand how someone could change an author's words after the author has passed?
Doesn't an author have copyright over what is written under their name?
To me, changing an author's words is like writing a new book...because its not what the author wrote...
An author's words belong to them and no one should have the power to change it...
Also, this means the book is no longer historically nor copyrightedly accurate...
Would this mean someone could change the words of the Bible because it is not politically correct?
Does this mean from now on ultraliberals and pc people can change any words in conservative books they do not like?
Isn't it funny that the very people who think they are progressive are the ones censoring and taking away freedom of speech?
To me, this is the first step to censoring freedom of speech in USA...
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Pmk wrote: BTW. A sanitized version of "Huckleberry Finn" is going to be published next month ("Tom Sawyer" has already been mutilated) for Mark Twain has been recently 'outed' as an offensive racist. [sic]
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What confuses me is that they edited one word in particular that starts with N...
But I hear that N word in rap songs by black artists on MTV all the time...
So how is it right that black people can say such words, but white people get censored and freedom of speech taken away for doing so in a historical way?
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#44 AndreaNY (re:#22 Tinkersdamn)
"Solid record of achievement? What kind of achievement, exactly, are you admiring?"... "He's what you get when you combine a smart greedy investment banker with a cut-throat politician."
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Andrea, I've never heard you speak ill of any cut-throat greedy investment banker before-- is this a new you for a New Year?
I'm not really so sure about your description of Bill Daley, but note in my original post, I described him and his family as having a record of achievement for practical politics and included no words of admiration. But given your anti-regulating heart, I'm surprised you don't have some admiration-- at least for the old man.
Here's a tidbit that always seems to be left out of "The American Experience" and other such television history documentaries:
During the 1970s you probably recall the banner headlines over one city after another deep in the red on the edge of bankruptcy, with NYC itself barely avoiding receivership thanks to a large federal loan. One city remained an exception and in the black: Chicago.
Also during that time, the Nixon Administration Federal Attorney James Thompson was regularly dispatched to Chicago to seek legal redress in the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals over Chicago's failure to comply with a multitude of federal regulations, from the EPA, Labor, and other agencies.
As often as Thompson came, his cases would be thrown out of the LaSalle St. court-- time and again. Finally the federal government responded by withholding funds budgeted for the city under the jurisdiction of various departments.
Mayor Richard J. Daley would appear before cameras to announce his was the city that worked and Washington could keep its money and "kiss my Irish arse" (except he never said 'arse').
A few days after one such announcement, Daley even went out to O'Hare to greet the arriving Watergate laden President Nixon. As they shook hands, both men bore grins on the verge of open guffaws.
Soon enough Nixon was gone from the White House, and Daley himself died in the last days of the Ford administration. Chicago's new mayor, Michael Bilandic, complied with all federal laws and regulations and received a lump sum $17 billion from funds previously withheld. Not much more than one year after that, Chicago was no longer the only American city to be in the black- it was in debt just like all the others.
I tell you this tale to help you stay warm on a cold NY winter night. Oh, and your assessment of Obama?--- silly.
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Lucyj, (#52. At 11:19pm on 07 Jan 2011)
"... Would this mean someone could change the words of the Bible because it is not politically correct? ..."
Yes they can, and yes they have.
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55. Tinkersdamn:
#44 AndreaNY (re:#22 Tinkersdamn)
"Solid record of achievement? What kind of achievement, exactly, are you admiring?"... "He's what you get when you combine a smart greedy investment banker with a cut-throat politician."
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Andrea, I've never heard you speak ill of any cut-throat greedy investment banker before-- is this a new you for a New Year?
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No. I have nothing against greedy investment bankers. Just acknowledging what Daley is.
He's a good person for the job, IMO, a much better politician with a lot more business experience than Obama. It's good that we finally have someone who isn't afraid to deal with private industry and doesn't approach it like a cancer to be contained. As Obama's learned, it's kind of hard to get something from a patient that you're trying to kill.
It would be silly to view Obama as anything but a politician. As politicians go, the guys coming out of Chicago are at the top of their game.
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High Brow Book Club
10 little N's... and then there was none.
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Andrea, that was beautifully up front-- a tip o' the cap.
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Well Mark Mardell can`t talk...have you lot heard about "Ratgate"...and how we had to pay for it? Come on Mardell...`fess up and shame the devil!
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The least productive government on this planet!
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House Republicans cleared a hurdle Friday in their first attempt to scrap President Barack Obama's landmark healthcare overhaul. Republicans prevailed Friday in a 236-181 procedural vote, largely along party lines, that sets the stage for the House to vote next week on the repeal.[news wires]
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Lucy asks: "Would this [censoring Mark Twain novels] mean someone could change the words of the Bible because it is not politically correct?"
Indeed. Perhaps claiming (as part of a cover up) that the original translation from Aramaic to Latin or Greek had been incorrect.
Or that the Apostles, being mostly simple uneducated men (none of them had graduated from Harvard), didn't quite get it in the first place.
And singing while 'editing': "my intentions are good.
Oh Lord, please don't make me be misunderstood." :-)
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Andrea opined: "As politicians go, the guys coming out of Chicago are at the top of their game."
Politicians have not been the only guys from Chicago who were traditionally at the top of their racket.
I could name some famous/notorious characters, but...I won't.
[Perhaps I should watch "Chicago" instead. Again]
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ref #52
I don't understand how someone could change an author's words after the author has passed?
Doesn't an author have copyright over what is written under their name?
To me, changing an author's words is like writing a new book...because its not what the author wrote...
An author's words belong to them and no one should have the power to change it...
Also, this means the book is no longer historically nor copyrightedly accurate...
Would this mean someone could change the words of the Bible because it is not politically correct?
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Copyright law extends only a certain amount of years. so anyone can publish Twain's works
In fairness to liberals most of them think this alteration is wrong too
Even a broken clock(except in Dublin)is right twice a day
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Re: American treasure, Mark Twain, sick PC censorship and prior restraint...
"Former home secretary Jack Straw has said some UK Pakistani men see white girls as "easy meat" for sex abuse.
The Blackburn MP was speaking after two Asian men who abused girls in Derby were given indeterminate jail terms.
He said there was a "specific problem" in some areas where Pakistani men "target vulnerable white girls".[...]
Speaking on the BBC's Newsnight programme after the case, Mr Straw said vulnerable white girls were at risk of being targeted by some Asian men.
"The string of convictions in cities such as Rotherham, Preston, Blackburn, Rochdale and now Derby have more often than not involved Asian men, specifically men of Pakistani origin, and mainly Muslim.”
He said: "Pakistanis, let's be clear, are not the only people who commit sexual offences[...]But there is a specific problem which involves Pakistani heritage men... who target vulnerable young white girls.[...]
Mr Straw added:[...] "Pakistani heritage girls are off-limits and they are expected to marry a Pakistani girl from Pakistan, typically," he said.
"So they then seek other avenues and they see these young women, white girls who are vulnerable, some of them in care... who they think are easy meat.
Liaqat and Saddique were the ringleaders of a gang which groomed and abused teenage girls, ranging in age from 12 to 18.
Many of the gang's victims were given alcohol or drugs before being forced to have sex in cars, rented houses or hotels across the Midlands."
(BBC News)
Now, despite the fact that it's BBC which reported and quoted Jack Straw comments, I am willing to bet that there'll be numerous calls for those comments' removal and for Jack Straw himself being stoned.
According to Sharia Law.
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PMK...Why not acquaint us with your agenda in all this?
And let`s remind ourselves that in Jack Straw`s constituency about half the children arriving on their first day at school can`t speak a word of English....and then ask ourselves whether Mr Straw was running Britain when the multicultural disaster was imposed on us or the Pakistanis who RIGHTLY view our young as immoral and depraved ...in fact just the sort of people you get when you expose children to the sort of demoralising depraving drivel pumped out by the media in Britain and the USA.
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Jim. Kids learn languages and integrate quick (adults don't)
Lucy. Imagine you were a black child reading offensive literature from the old slavery legacy days, how would it make you feel?
[ One argument may be removing the N-word” robs younger generations of Americans of the full history of Black people in America. (But No Vietnamese Ever Called Me N) ]
..and by the way
In the old days (not very long ago) blacks (and woman) were considered sub-human* and were denied the right to vote.
* They were not 'given' the right to Vote
- They 'fought for their right'
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Some Basic Background Facts [please skip and ignore if you do not want to learn]
Blacks Voting
The 15th Amendment to the Constitution granted African American men the right to vote Although ratified on February 3, 1870, the promise of the 15th Amendment would not be fully realized for almost a century.
Through the use of poll taxes, literacy tests and other means, Southern states were able to effectively disenfranchise African Americans.
Woman Voting
The Nineteenth Amendment (Amendment XIX) to the United States Constitution prohibits each state and the federal government from denying any citizen the right to vote based on that citizen's sex. It was ratified on August 18, 1920.
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Instead of a futile reply:
"Men and women have been banned from shaking hands in a district of Somalia controlled by the Islamist group al-Shabab.
Under the ban imposed in the southern town of Jowhar, men and women who are not related are also barred from walking together or chatting in public.
The BBC's Mohamed Moalimuu in Mogadishu says the penalty would probably be a public flogging.(BBC News reporting)
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"by the way
In the old days (not very long ago) blacks (and woman) were considered sub-human* and were denied the right to vote."
Does it mean that we should censor all XVII, XVIII, XIX or even first half of XX century books/novels/plays in which women are clearly treated as or described as inferior, feather-brained species?
Or accept that those books, novels/plays are at least a valuable historical documentation of a mentality prevailing in those days?
History was being regularly rewritten in "1984".
Do some specimens really want to continue this "noble" tradition?
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O PMK
You should be able to read your novels like the "The Wanderers" where bad guys are easily identifiable (i.e color coded Black)
Likewise censorship of illegal government activities is not acceptable, such as CIA Cocaine Import Agency, alleged involvement in Lockerbie, 9/11, black ops, wikileaks
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powermeerkat, (#70. At 12:35pm on 08 Jan 2011)
”... Does it mean that we should censor all XVII, XVIII, XIX or even first half of XX century books/novels/plays in which women are clearly treated as or described as inferior, feather-brained species? ...”
Yes. Shakespeare has been “outed”.
“... Or accept that those books, novels/plays are at least a valuable historical documentation of a mentality prevailing in those days? ...”
Perhaps we should retain them to illustrate how much better we are now than they were then.
”... History was being regularly rewritten in "1984".
Do some specimens really want to continue this "noble" tradition?”
Yes, they do. It is a variation on the book burning theme. If it was good enough for them to burn books then, it must be good enough for us to emend books to suit our politics now, right?
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But you have hit the nail on the head, due to the cattle market treatment of woman by the media and marketing (similar to the way slaves were sold), Woman are treated as sex objects in modern society.
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Complete Bob Marley and the Wailers, (#72. At 12:51pm on 08 Jan 2011)
”... Likewise censorship of illegal government activities is not acceptable, such as CIA Cocaine Import Agency, alleged involvement in Lockerbie, 9/11, black ops, wikileaks”
Are you suggesting that the CIA was responsible for the bombing of PA113, the World Trade Towers, and the Pentagon?
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Complete Bob Marley and the Wailers, (#75. At 12:57pm on 08 Jan 2011)
"But you have hit the nail on the head, due to the cattle market treatment of woman by the media and marketing (similar to the way slaves were sold), Woman are treated as sex objects in modern society."
So it is OK to emend books to satisfy political goals?
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I am suggesting that evidence is suppressed like in a George Orwell novel. It is up to people to question and make their own mind and proper Investigations, Inquiry's and Court proceeding's allowed if deemed necessary. i.e. NO WHITE WASH, HIDING FACTS Et cetera
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Woman are unacceptably treated in the media and advertising like a cattle market (similar to slave market) and are treated like sex objects as a result.
Magazines, Packaging, LP & CD covers, Films, Music Video's effectively continue this approach / philosophy to sell copies,
Although reggae, soul and jazz covers showed black woman as beautiful instead of being excluded, it also appears and gives the impression of the same exploitation of females. Although I'm not a pervert and like the music, the same bad taste and impression is given out when displayed. It is wrong and affects woman's self esteem like racist n-words in american literature.
I'm not saying this to make you happy, it's more of an epiphany, personal realization, which needs to sink in, process and manifest as a piece of wisdom knowledge and understanding.
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Although I believe in expanding the gauntlet of Freedom of Self Expression and after being bombarded with N-words, Racial, Negative Stereotyping, Tits and Arse by the media I hardly even notice it is out there subliminally any more
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Complete Bob Marley and the Wailers, (#78. At 1:12pm on 08 Jan 2011)
”I am suggesting that evidence is suppressed like in a George Orwell novel ...”
If those texts were emended, you would be unable to use them as subject matter examples. As you HAVE used them as examples, and would be unable to do so if they had been properly emended, you must therefore oppose emendation. To which of Mr. Orwell’s texts are you referring?
”... It is up to people to question and make their own mind and proper Investigations ...”
Yes, it is called research.
”... Inquiry's and Court proceeding's allowed if deemed necessary ...”
By whom, if I might ask? You?
“... i.e. NO WHITE WASH, HIDING FACTS Et cetera”
What if the cause being criticized is on your approved list?
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worcesterjim, (#81. At 1:53pm on 08 Jan 2011)
Would it be a bit fairer all round if we were told which of the posters are really either BBC personnel or BBC mouthpieces...so that we can save a lot of wasted time trying to contradict them only to find that their posts and arguments are given precedence while ours are censored?
One might save time by attempting to examine why one’s posts are “removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules,” or “has been referred for further consideration.”
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Complete Bob Marley and the Wailers, (#80. At 1:52pm on 08 Jan 2011)
”Although I believe in expanding the gauntlet of Freedom of Self Expression and after being bombarded with N-words, Racial, Negative Stereotyping, Tits and Arse by the media I hardly even notice it is out there subliminally any more”
And what, may I ask, do you propose that some do to others to achieve your utopia?
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76 I agree with your general drift Chryses that it`s absurd to imagine the CIA would show America to be so vulnerable on 9/11....but near me there`s a highly educated physician (jim Swire) who lost his daughter Flora at Lockerbie and he and our Private Eye magazine have argued that Al Megrahi was not likely to have been the bomber....and Private Eye have a lot of evidence that his trial was a CIA orchestrated show trial with some very unconvincing bribed witnesses.
I sympathise with those who lost loved ones.... and with the CIA who were probably under vast pressure to get a conviction....but when you are sinking to the level of rigging trials surely you have lost the plot big time?
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Complete Bob Marley and the Wailers wrote:
O PMK
You should be able to read your novels like the "The Wanderers" where bad guys are easily identifiable (i.e color coded Black)
If you'd watched carefully you'd notice that in almost all Hollywood-financed film productions CIA are bad guys, whereas FBI are good ones.
Just as that all white hats use Apple laptops whereas DARK characters -PCs.
Please observe also that those PCs are usually BLACK, whereas those McIntoshs mostly WHITE.
Now, what does that tell ya?
Amazing that no Anti-Defamation League investigator/lawyer failed to spot that clearly racist pattern.
P.S. Of course it's hard not to notice that those rogue CIA agents are always white whereas those brave FBI agents who eventually stop them - are often black like, e.g. Denzel Washington)
But of course that's not an excuse.
P.P.S. And of course Henry Ford's model T cars were all black.
[Color Purple was not available.]
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Complete Bob Marley and the Wailers, (#88. At 2:19pm on 08 Jan 2011)
”... Chyses you have a limited perception of people due to your limited reality tunnels.
Especially if someone such as an American or Non-American questions the powers that be, or your particular perspective or point of view ...”
I’ll take that as an admission that you are unable or unwilling to respond to the text emendation issue. I didn’t think you would be up to the effort, but at least I gave you an opportunity to try.
You didn’t.
Again.
”... That does not mean your brain has to filter the messengers out into one of your specific categories such as ultra-liberal / muslim / reverse racist / conspiracy theorist ...”
Easily done, as you’ll find no such categories in my posts to the threads of this blog.
“... (Although that's how the brain works when receiving multiple sensory input signals through the eyes and processed by the brains, things get quickly classified incorrectly based on what you know and have been spoon fed all your life, but that's not just you it's everyone).”
“Everyone” includes you.
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Although Americans are very partisan they are also very patriotic and join together when threatened.
Therefore any false flag theories, or exploitation of peoples feelings to instigate wars should (always) be investigated (fairly and transparently) even if the be struck out.
Although there was some general support for wars after 9/11, it has become more unpopular over the years except for the diehard hawks.
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worcesterjim, (#86. At 2:06pm on 08 Jan 2011)
”83..Chryses....I wasn`t referring to you ..and don`t want your unsolicited advice ...but if you have a moment why not look up the psychiatric concept of "ideas of reference"? “
As I have posted before, if one does not want answers, or if one is willing to accept only certain answers, then one should think carefully BEFORE asking a question.
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So...who is this politician and why has he got so many friends willing to troll this thread into oblivion?Presumably it`s all about money or has the CIA/MOSAD run BBC got an agenda of its own?
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Chryses where you from?
we in the free world generally spell emend as amend
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Complete Bob Marley and the Wailers, (#92. At 2:41pm on 08 Jan 2011)
”Mr Anal Analyzer treats a non-response to a question as his own proof that his incorrect assumptions are true ...”
I’m afraid that you have made yet another mistake. Examine what I posted, “I’ll take that as an admission that you are unable or unwilling to respond to the text emendation issue. I didn’t think you would be up to the effort, but at least I gave you an opportunity to try.”
Note that I did not indicate that your failure to respond to the emendation issue represented a claim that any assumption was true. What I did indicate was that you failed to respond to the emendation issue, that I provided a chance for you to do so, and that you failed.
Again.
“... Do you fancy pmk, think (s)he is sexy
if you do not answer it must be true
Yet another example of faulty logic.
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@95
Please complain about 94 after it gets published (not before) many thanks
Emendation - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster ...
emen·da·tion. noun \ˌē-ˌmen-ˈdā-shən; ˌe-mən-, e-ˌmen-\. Definition of EMENDATION. 1. : the act or practice of emending .
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Complete Bob Marley and the Wailers, (#94. At 2:52pm on 08 Jan 2011)
”Chryses where you from?
we in the free world generally spell emend as amend”
We speak and post English where I am from.
Emend: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/emend
Amend: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Amend
Both amend and emend mean to improve by correcting or by freeing from error. Amend is the general term, used of any such correction in detail: to amend spelling, punctuation, grammar. Emend usually applies to the correction of a text in the process of editing or preparing for publication; it implies improvement in the sense of greater accuracy, For example: Unlike the nincompoops who have savaged classics novels, he emended the text of the book by restoring the original reading.
So did SOEMONE neglect to use a dictionary until AFTER he POSTED? Ooooops! LOL!
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I think the N word should be published and the book continued to be used in school, but there should be class discussions relating to the negative historical use of the N word.
Lucy's argument about rappers using the N-word is no justification and rap is another can of worms with various factors for consideration such as who is pushing out the negative portrayals, who is buying it, why do N's say it, history of ghettos', money in the music industry, impact on society, shock factor, impact on children, fashion, crime, reflection on reality.. although most people only look at everything from their own through their own little reality tunnels / islands perspectives (as per my above published post currently under further consideration @ whatever number)
p.s. I said before no one has to answer Chryses, he's a bit like a creep asking you what are you eating, expecting you to bother answering... and the self praising / crowing and conclusions (s)he makes are poop
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Complete Bob Marley and the Wailers, (#98. At 3:11pm on 08 Jan 2011)
”I think the N word should be published and the book continued to be used in school ...”
There! That didn’t hurt TOO much, did it?
"... p.s. I said before no one has to answer Chryses, he's a bit like a creep asking you what are you eating, expecting you to bother answering... and the self praising / crowing and conclusions (s)he makes are poop
One can always tell when another brings nothing to the discussion; watch for the ad hominems.
Caught you!
LOL!
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US wants Twitter details of Wikileaks activists
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12141530
here's my 2p's worth
1. From an IT Data Protection point of view the USS military is culpable for not securing sensitive data in its custody
2. Form an official secrets point of view the soldier is culpable
3. From a Freedom of Information perspective, Wikileaks isn't illegal
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Complete Bob Marley and the Wailers,
I'm sure that both President Obama and Mr. Daley will keep that in mind.
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, Complete Bob Marley and the Wailers wrote:
US wants Twitter details of Wikileaks activists
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-12141530
here's my 2p's worth
1. From an IT Data Protection point of view the USS military is culpable for not securing sensitive data in its custody
2. Form an official secrets point of view the soldier is culpable
3. From a Freedom of Information perspective, Wikileaks isn't illegal
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WikiLeaks is not covered by the Freedom of Information Act. Wikileaks has to file a request as would anyone slse, Julian Assange had no right to the material.
But law and people's safety of lives mean nothing to Assange there is a room waiting for him in Gitmo
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Mk wrote: Copyright law extends only a certain amount of years. so anyone can publish Twain's works.
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But to change his words?
Does that mean all books are open to changing their words after a certain number of years?
If someone changes the words of an author's book and it wasn't the author or with their consent, then that is not what the author wrote, which means it was altered or censored...
Can you imagine Alice in Wonderland without the Mad Hatter or the Red Queen or the Chesire Cat or the White Rabbit?
Can you imagine if someone changed the words to Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds because they did not like that the initials were LSD?
(to me, songs lyrics are like poetry)
(because they are too 'trippy'?)
I think not...
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Complete Bob Marley wrote: Lucy. Imagine you were a black child reading offensive literature from the old slavery legacy days, how would it make you feel?
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Well, first off, its historical, written in the context of what that time was...
So changing Mark Twain's words first off is changing history.
Would someone change Lincoln's speeches because they are offensive nowadays using that word?
Maybe some don't like that word, but it was acceptable at that time, so why not ban the word as a swear word in all current and future books, however, this does not give someone the right to rewrite history...
It may be offensive to some, but its historical...it tells us the way our country used to be, regardless of right or wrong, its the true history of America- not censored works which do not reflect who America was...if you change this, history will be lost...
I would think that all kids would want to know the true history of America rather than a censored version which was not the author's actual words...wouldn't you rather know the truth, Bob?
Or would you rather know a politically correct lie?
Second off, there are other references with this word, also...you're talking millions of movies, books, songs...you remember that Bob Dylan song Only a Pawn in the Game, complete Marley?
It had that word in it, also....so will they start censoring some of Bob Dylan's songs, too, because they are too offensive?
Third off, how does it make white and black kids feel to listen to the black rapper songs with those same words?
I mean, really, have you heard the ways they describe whites and blacks?
Why don't they ban the use of the word currently (not past- as I said, I am against rewriting history just because some parts of history is considered 'offensive' to some, I think we all deserve the right to know the truth about our history, offensive to some or not, its the truth) all across in rap songs, ect?
Anyhew, tho, this is the first sign of rewriting/ccensoring history, to make it politically correct...
Will they rewrite Thanksgiving next?
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Bob wrote: Lucy's argument about rappers using the N-word is no justification and rap is another can of worms with various factors for consideration such as who is pushing out the negative portrayals, who is buying it, why do N's say it, history of ghettos', money in the music industry, impact on society, shock factor, impact on children, fashion, crime, reflection on reality..
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Exactly...what is the impact of black rappers using that word?
To me, the word would be phased out of American society if they didn't use that word in their rap songs...because no one else says it that I can think of...
But some use it so much, they sometimes make it sound like its cool, so this carries it on to future generations...
Basically, the rappers using that word are preserving the word for future generations...
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Pmk wrote: He said: "Pakistanis, let's be clear, are not the only people who commit sexual offences[...]But there is a specific problem which involves Pakistani heritage men... who target vulnerable young white girls.[...]
Mr Straw added:[...] "Pakistani heritage girls are off-limits and they are expected to marry a Pakistani girl from Pakistan, typically," he said.
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That's the saddest thing I ever heard that some think its okay to abuse girls just because they are white...
But I believe it, cause' that's the world we are living in...where there are serial rapists and illegal slave owners simply looking for people to use and abuse and sometimes they go for certain skin colors or gender...I think these people have no soul...
Look at Madeleine McCann, the little girl that was abducted overseas...and there are many more...
Mothers and Fathers, tell your children to carry mace and a cell phone!
And if you go on vacation to foreign places, please keep your kids in sight!
Cause' there are bad people in the world...
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"" No third party has been convicted in the Nasty States of America for espionange. If that were the case, Bernstein and Woodward, who brought down a president would have been jailed. The Supreme Court ruled in the Daniel Ellsberg case that the public had the right to know the truth about the Vietnam war. The commentators up here think the Nasty States of America is afraid of what is going co come next:- either Guantanamo secrets, government torture of its own citizens, or something quite heinous.""
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Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer. - Sun Tzu
JP Morgan Chase, Daly ... reads like a Dreiser novel
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Lucy says it's ok for mark twain's novels to use the most insulting word in the english / amercian language but not ok for n's to take the word of insult against them and use that word to minimize and fight against the damage from the hate and underlying superiority complex and global power systems of rule, ok you can take back the n word and use it how you like. Like I said I'm open minded and been exposed to all that, (and agree it's ok)
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What we really need is more people thinking like this in the white house ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-jIBHI3U6Y
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Bob wrote: Lucy says it's ok for mark twain's novels to use the most insulting word in the english / amercian language
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Yes, I believe its okay to know the truth about history, rather than a politically correct lie...
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Bob wrote: but not ok for n's to take the word of insult against them and use that word to minimize and fight against the damage from the hate and underlying superiority complex and global power systems of rule
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My point is that they are preserving the word for future generations...
If they don't want to be called that, then why do they call themselves that?
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ref #103
LucyJ wrote:
Mk wrote: Copyright law extends only a certain amount of years. so anyone can publish Twain's works.
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But to change his words?
Does that mean all books are open to changing their words after a certain number of years?
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I don't approve of it but the publisher can do it.
Hopefuly the backlash both in the media and marketplace will casue his to lose his job
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What's with the Chicago relationships?
Anyway Obama will certainly get the business boost with Daley.
Bill Daley, family member of Chicago’s most legendary mayors, is the the consummate player. A player is different from a politician or even a political operator like Jim Baker (chief of staff under Ronald Reagan).
Daley comes far more gruff. Like Baker, Daley served in the Cabinet (as Commerce secretary under Bill Clinton).
The most relevant job he’s held thus far was Chairman of Al Gore’s presidential campaign. When he took over in 1999, Gore, once the front-runner, had slipped more than 20 points behind Bill Bradley. A year and a half later, Gore was elected president - forgetting about the hanging chads in Florida.
Daley's a lawyer too - a counselor unencumbered by the conventional wisdom. The left will be leery because he engineered the North American Free Trade Agreement, and of course because of his recent work with JP Morgan Chase.
Obama’s connection to the Daleys was Axelrod, who worked over the years in a close relationship with Daley. Daley might be the lubricant between Obama and John Boehner. Obama and Boehner are oil and water' maybe that's why Boehner is crying so much. Daley shares a Midwestern Catholic background with the speaker.
Daley’s appointment bespeaks the dominance of Chicago in Democratic politics. David Axelrod and Jim Messina will run the 2012 Obama campaign from there, the first time in modern memory that a reelection campaign has been based outside the Washington, D.C. With Emanuel likely to be elected mayor this year, the Chicago connection will have been secured.
Daley stands at the union of politics and capitalism, whether at the Amalgamated Bank of Chicago, AT&T, Fannie Mae (where he served on the board until 1997) or at the Commerce Department.
Obama’s own relationship with Daley is not transparent. In mid-2007, Obama fell 30 points behind Hillary Clinton and Bill Daley essentially wrote off the campaign. He told friends Obama had done a great job raising money but he would not become President. He was still a part of the team, even serving as co-chairman of the transition. But he took no administration post and wasn’t in the inner circle. Obama rarely called him, especially after Daley criticized his decision to hold out for a major health-care bill.
But the inner four — Emanuel, Axelrod, Jarrett and interim chief of staff Pete Rouse — all eventually came to see Daley. For months, the White House had been under pressure to hire someone with experience in the business world. The trouble with business executives in government is that they often know little about politics. Bill Daley knows both.
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Did any of your politicians see the financial crisis caused by the fraudlent financial instruments coming when Clinton repealed the Glass Steagel Act....and where are they now if they were ahead of the game then?
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Rep. G. Giffords (D) Arizona and up to 6 others have been shot and killed by a gunman outside a grocery store in Tuscon, AZ.
No matter what your political affiliation, this is a terrible tragedy.
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New reports say that she's alive, thank goodness.
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BienvenueEnLouisiana, (#114. At 7:27pm on 08 Jan 2011)
"Rep. G. Giffords (D) Arizona and up to 6 others have been shot and killed by a gunman outside a grocery store in Tuscon, AZ.
No matter what your political affiliation, this is a terrible tragedy."
No doubt about that!
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Chryses wrote :
" Unlike the nincompoops who have savaged classics novels, he emended the text of the book by restoring the original reading."
Whereas the nincopmpoops who savaged the classics novels made no amends to their readers. :-)
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Lucy asks [re censorhip of Mark Twain's novels]
"Can you imagine Alice in Wonderland without the Mad Hatter or the Red Queen or the Chesire Cat or the White Rabbit?"
'Red' implies being a communist, whereas 'queen'...
And the fact that the Rabbit is White speaks for itself. ;-)
P.S. Of course in "Red Riding Hood" its mere title is a double insult.
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Lucy inquires: "Will they rewrite Thanksgiving next?"
"Merry Christmas!" has been already replaced by "Happy Holiday Season!".
And Bing Crosby "dreaming of the white Christmas" rather than Kwanza..:(
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mabelwhite wrote:
JP Morgan Chase, Daley ... reads like a Dreiser novel
More like "All Presidents Men". :-)
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"What we really need is more people thinking like this in the white house"
The term "WHITE House" should be emended as well as clearly non-PC.
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You guys really need to do something about gun control.
Any nut-case being able to purchase a gun, is simply unacceptable.
You should have at least a psychological evaluation.
I mean you no longer need to defend yourself against wild indians and out of control buffaloes on the preairy.
You need to get along in croweded cities with a diversity of ideoligies.
If Europe can do it, you can do it.
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Pmk wrote: 'Red' implies being a communist, whereas 'queen'...
And the fact that the Rabbit is White speaks for itself. ;-)
P.S. Of course in "Red Riding Hood" its mere title is a double insult.
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The moral of the story...to avoid being taken over by communism while looking for a rabbit on the run?
And in all of this, I wonder what, if any, characters Lewis Caroll felt were similar to himself?
Most authors reveal only want the author wants known, but also I think authors sometimes don't realize they integrate pieces of themself into their literature, too...a book showcases just who and what one is...
My favorite movie version of Alice in Wonderland is still Disney's original animation...
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Anyhew, which is why its not right to censor books...because the author may have a hidden underlying that if you take out certain words it no longer makes sense and the pieces to the puzzle are missing, so it will never be solved, as long as the words are not what was written by the author...I know I wrote my first book during the political turmoil of Bush years and although its children's fiction book, perhaps some seeped in...because you can't help but be affected by what time you are living in...
Its like the human body- we just fit together. So does an author's words.
But to take a classic and change it...that means nothing is sacred when it comes to censorship...
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