Fishermen caught in crisis
A Coruna, Spain.
The rough yet nimble fingers of the crew of The New Hunter work a speedy rhythm, darning their maroon nets by the side of their boat, moored in one of Spain's biggest ports. They must be tired. They have been out all night fishing the seas around the extreme North West of Spain. The skippers show me their fine catch still on the boat, packed in boxes of ice. It's mainly sardines, but there's a large sharp-toothed hake and a squid which stains my hands black as I pick it up. I'm told the latter tastes better if beaten against the rocks 16 times by a virgin. There are no volunteers.
But although the night's fishing is done, work isn't over. They now stand in the blazing heat mending their nets. The owner of The New Hunter, Manuel Dominguez, says it didn't used to be like this. He used to make enough money to employ people to mend the nets, but now he can't afford that luxury. Thirty years in the business, and it has come to this. Just a few weeks back there were huge protests here, and all over Spain. Now there seems there's no anger left, just resignation. The price of diesel is so high, the price of fish is so low. It's the end of an industry, he says, it's so sad... so sad.
I'm in Spain filming a report for BBC Newsnight on EU energy policy. It'll take much of the rest of this month, on and off, so my blogging is going to be a bit more of a snapshot than usual, as I am not yet sure how it will all tie together.
Those dramatic protests in Italy, Spain, France and the UK seem to have just faded away, while the cause of the grievance, mainly the high price of oil, has of course remained.
One man tells me it's not over yet, and the protest movement will build again. A truck stop in the middle of nowhere seems an odd place to plan a revolution, or even a nationwide protest. On the Esmeralda Road, about 80km (50 miles) from the port, two motorways meet. There is a garage with diesel pumps, a little bar and grill, and a place to wash lorries and service them, and for truck drivers to stay overnight.
That is where we find Antonio Llanos. A brimmed hat perched on his head, stripped down to denim dungarees in the heat, he sits behind his desk in a tiny portakabin, sandwiched between the Hostel Ruta Esmeralda and the bar. He pulls a T-shirt on when we arrive. His computer is none too modern, but the piles of papers and leaflets suggest a tight organisation. He is a regional organiser of the Platform for the Defence of the Transport Sector. It's from here, he says, that Spain was brought to a near-standstill in the recent protests. How did he do it? "New technology, e-mail, sms, mobile phones, bluetooth." But old technology, too. He said their growing plans "spread by word of mouth - sitting down over lunch, drivers decided that they had had enough".
While I want to talk about fuel prices, he is more concerned about big corporations, which he claims are undercutting the minimum wage and employing drivers on the cheap. He says the unions are no good because they protect workers, but truckers are business people. "We got nothing out of it," he admits. But he predicts that there will be more protests in September, with the threat of the breakdown of law and order. After the filmed interview we're talking about Spanish politicians and it's clear he doesn't have time for any of them. He says platforms like his will spring up all over Europe, to defend ordinary people.
I tend to think the protests were an example of political bushfires that spring up and disappear, never to return. I might be wrong. If I am, I'll remember the garage on the Esmeralda Road, where it all started.
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I look forward to the Newsnight article on the EU Energy Policy.
It was interesting that President Sarkozy recently asked the Council of Ministers to consider a reduction in VAT on fuel sales to ease the burden of high fuel costs to drivers throughout the EU member countries but they all vetoed that idea.
It's not so strange I suppose when you consider that governments these days are determined to raise as much tax revenue as possible in order to spend money on grandiose public schemes rather than think in terms of reducing the tax burden and allowing their peoples to spend their income as they see fit.
On the other hand, your sample opinions of truckstop operators at Coruna, Spain seems to blame Governments, Unions and big Corporations in equal measure. Cheap labour, undercut minimum wages and a disdain for politicians would find resonance thoughout Europe I imagine.
No doubt the EU will consider that energy conservation and remittance of Global Climate Change is of far more importance than whether people (such as your conversational Fishermen and Hauliers) who's income is so diminished by high fuel cost, inflation and high taxation need to be able to maintain their livelihoods. But that's the problem with tax-funded grandiose public schemes - the individual citizen gets overlooked to the point of becoming invisble!
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Why are fish prices so low? You'd think, what with so few of them left in the sea, and the costs described above applying to all fishermen, the price would be skyrocketing.
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Finally, there might be a glimmer of hope for our dwindling fish stocks.
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Mr. Mardell,
You should perhaps have clarified that the main demand of Mr. Llanos' Platform is not a reduction of fuel costs, but that minimum fees be set for transport to "ensure the livelihoods of small and independent hauliers". In short, what they want is a state-enforced transport cartel. Do we really want that?
Free and fair competition should be ensured in transport as in all sectors. That means that anticompetitive practices by large transport companies should be punished, but small transport companies should not be allowed to set transport prices either.
As for those who demand a VAT reduction in fuel prices, do you realise that this would merely increase demand and pre-tax fuel prices until we'd have about the same final price, with the difference going to the oil producers rather than to our tax authorities? Do you realise that this would merely shift income from our public services to the oil sheikhs?
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Maybe you should check with the residents of southern California as to whether bushfires are insignificant!
If we have these problem from the threat of oil running out, image what will happen when the water starts to dry up.
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The price a fisherman can get for his catch may be low, but that doesn't mean you and I will pay a low price at the market or supermarket.
This was well demonstrated here in France when fishermen invaded local supermarkets and stole - OK they took away with the managers' consent - the fish on display. The fish was then given away and customers informed of the price differences. (the fishermen are currently awaiting sentence for theft, by the way).
In this case the supermarkets were buying direct from the boats. Elsewhere there are intermediary buyers/wholesalers. They claim to be lowly paid by their clients - yet the clients (supermarkets, restaurants, fishmongers) all claim to be "making tiny profits". Someone in the line is telling fibs!
As for fuel prices, regretfully, I think we are all going to have to get used to high prices, not only for the fuel we buy for ourselves but as an additional (inflationary) cost on just about everything we buy.
I hope you might have time for some notes on fuel-saving proposals and alternative fuels from around Europe in your report, please, Mark. (with observations on here for those who can't watch).
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I wonder why truckers/fishermen insist on sticking with dirty diesels when traditional gasoline engines can be easily/cheaply converted to burn LPG (liquid propane gas) which costs less than half of what diesel fuel does these days.
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I wouldn't want to say that I do not care about the plight of "Spanish" fishermen, I do. However it is not of great significance to the people of the UK. There things that I keep reading in the Austrian media that are of far greater significance to the UK, the "EU" and Europe and that are not mentioned on the BBC or at least, I can't find them.:
A change of policy on referenda by the Austrian socialist party which is at least partly if not mainly responsible for the breakup of the Austrian government.
A series of food scandals in Italy resulting in thousands of tonnes of disgusting stuff being exported coupled with the "EU"s early warning system failing to work.
Italian medical students bribing their professors to get through their exams. An Italian told me personally that you had to bribe the teachers to get good grades in their equivalent of A-levels. So on that basis, an Italian doctor could have bribed his way into university and then bribed his way through. He could then move to the UK where he would count as qualified.
Back to the "Spanish" fishermen:
People have to change jobs. I've done it and I am working on doing it again.
Maybe they are the victims of the "EU"s fishing policy and "Spain" would be better off being outside that as the UK would.
Maybe you will say: "Change jobs?!?! There aren't any other jobs." If so, then that is probably also the fault of the "EU". It is a long time ago, but in about 1980 I took the trouble to compare job statistics. EFTA counties had lower unemployment than "EU" countries. British unemployment went up after we had joined the Common Market. It seems to me that the "EU" destroys jobs.
Where is it next Mark? Tahiti?
It's a tough, dirty job but somebody has to do it.
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I think the LPG additive to Diesel engines needs to be properly explained to thos who would benefit from the technology. In diesel terms LPG does not replace diesel, but rather uses it as a catalyst for more efficient and cleaner burn of the diesel...
Increases in power output from 85% to 95% and a reduction in particulates and NOX gases is a boon for the technology. Why there has been no large scale take up, is perhaps lack of knowledge or evidence of the need to legislate that the technology should be used...
it would save the fishing fleet overheads and save our lungs from unnecessary black smoke burning.
Win Win.
If anyone knows better please add to what i just wrote...??
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Number 7
Diesel fuel has historically been cheaper than petrol, and probably still is more cost effective. I might be wrong but it is not the absolute cost of diesel versus petrol that is the issue, rather the increase in cost of all fuel, combined with the increase in fuel burnt to get to fisheries that are further and further away and the change in fishing techniques that require more fuel to be burnt to get an equivalent catch.
As regards the use of petrol engines, they have 2 major issues - the volotility of the fuel and the need to use an electrically generated spark to ignite the fuel. It is not so much that they would Driving around in a large bomb the real risk is that they run the risk of losing power following any ingress of water into the electrical system. I think that would offset any saving they might gain from converting to LPG.
A couple of other factors - most petrol engines are of moderate size for cars, and there is probably not a supplier of large petrol engines on the market. Finally energy density - the practical difficulty in storing the large quantities of LPG for a commercial vessel would necessitate the installation of large tanks capable of withstanding huge pressures.
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fuel prices - how surprising?
Oil is running out and we now have protests over prices.
Perhaps it is time to think of business in a different way, perhaps a successful business should not be about making lots of money but about being happy.
So many of the things we do/use, cost. However did we manage without them when there was not so much money to go round.
Little things like growing your own vegetables, cycling to the supermarket - not enough time - get rid of the telly.
I guess most will have to do these things soon enough - why not now.
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This is just the beginning. It will get infinitely worse. Europe's economy has been living in a fools paradise for decades thanks to the US need to shelter it from falling prey to the USSR. Now that time is over and American policy has changed in favor of China and India. Europe is not competitive with the rest of the world but then again in reality, it never was. Now with hard times coming, those shortcomings will have a telling result. Europe has every disadvantage imaginable in a competitive world, most of its own making. Funny how people look for anyone and everyone to blame for their problems when things go wrong except where the real cause is to be found, in the mirror. The US will go through some very hard times and recover. But I'm not so certain if anyone else has a light at the end of the tunnel that isn't the headlamp of an oncoming train.
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To powermeerkat: because diesel engines aren't the same as petrol engines. Diesel engines have lots of low-end "grunt". Pulling and hauling power. Petrol engines don't.
Additionally, while I have a car that runs on LPG and love the low prices... I do realize that these prices are very much "artificially" low. Governments aren't taxing LPG nearly as much as they do to petrol and diesel.
Last thing: diesel isn't dirty. Poorly maintained (or simply old) engines are, however, whether they be petrol-based or diesel-based. If you see smoke coming from the exhaust of a vehicle, be it diesel or petrol, for more than about 10-15 seconds... that is an engine in need of some TLC or to be buried at midnight.
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At 1:20pm on 09 Jul 2008, RCalvo wrote:
"I certainly do not want to coerce the British into a closer integration. I rather wish you'd stop spoiling the efforts of others to do so."
We in Britain are only in the "EU" because we have been lied to again and again and again. We have been lied to by British politicians. However continental politicians have colluded with these British politicians and allowed them to sign treaties knowing that we had been lied to. I strongly suspect that it goes further than that, but I can't prove it.
Given that we have been tricked into being in the "EU", you cannot expect us to be anything other than difficult. We have not been difficult enough. I would like us to be even more difficult.
Please, please, please campaign for the UK to be throw out of the "EU". Fool yourself that we are not worthy to be part of this wonderful undertaking, if that helps you.
Having said that, I do think that your comments are slightly out of date. A few years ago we in the UK might have been alone in despising the "EU". However contempt for the "EU" is now very widespread. What I read recently indicates that Ireland is one of the most pro-"EU" countries, but the Irish rejected your treaty.
Let us have referenda in every country and then we shall see if I am talking bullfeathers.
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Three Cheers !!!
Spanish fishermen have been robbing British fishing waters ; so that Britains fishermen have been put out of business ; fishermens jobs lost and our sea depleted of fish . Maybe now they won't travel so far from home .
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An idea that was suggested to me by English family and friends ; is to boycott all the petrol stations bar one ; for everyone to use the same company .
When the other companies feel the draft , through lack of business and lower the prices ; move to another one that offers a lower price .
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14 Suffolkboy2
You comment that a few years ago we in the UK might have been alone in despising the EU .
You are so right ! I have lived in Italy ; many Italians are very discontent with the EU . My daughter is married to a German and lives in Berlin ; many Germans too are discontent .
The No votes from France an Holland to the Constitution ; were I am sure general discontent with the EU , rather than a considered vote on the Constitution . The same with the recent vote in Ireland . You don't need to read the details of the script to know where it is leading .
The EU has developed in a way the people across Europe don't like or want .
There is NO Democracy , No way we can see to stop the Commission .
Our Sovereign Governments , the MEPs are all YESMEN to the Commission ; without asking or considering the wishes of the people of Nation States .
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Huaimek
People who jump off a cliff without a parachute for the thrill of it should realize that buyer's regret on the way down won't do them any good. There is no turning back. Adopting the Euro was passage through a gate into a realm from which there is likely no return. People in the EU member countries may not like the way the EU is developing but they should consider that had they given far more thought and paid more attention to real history rather than the bravado they heard from politicians, they'd have been much more cautious.
How could anyone have cast a considered vote on the EU Constitution when they couldn't even read it let alone understand it? Read the details of the script? Even Members of Parliaments who advocated it and Lisbon admitted that they hadn't read it. Millions of Europeans blindly voted yes because they couldn't see through the lipstick and the thin gown when what was inside it was a pig in a poke. Europeans are so smart, they outsmarted themselves. We say people get the government they derserve. I think there's a lot of truth in that. They were so arrogant that they didn't even stop to examine the successful Constitution America had built its nation on for over 200 years to consider the possibility that there might be some wisdom in it they could capture in their own. Too late now. They'll just have to learn to live with what they've got. I can't find in myself the slightest shred of sympathy for them.
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MarcusAureliusII @ #18
You say "Too late now. They'll just have to learn to live with what they've got."
It's never too late and the people do not have to accept the status quo.
Politicains may like the EU but without the support of the Demos it cannot exist for much longer as it is. Sooner or later, member State will decide to withdraw form the EU through the popular demands of their peoples.
If the UK were to leave the EU the loss of finance would be a calamity for the EU especially now that the EU has expanded to include so many East European countries in dire need of EU funding.
If the UK left, I can see other nations revising their membership too.
It is only the 'ever closer union' since the Maastricht Treaty and the development of the socio-political model of the European Community (and now EU) that has resulted that I object to. 15 years of calamity is not so long that it cannot be undone!
Personally though, it is my view that the UK and other European Nations do need to cooperate within a Common Market and the ORIGINAL wording of the Treaty of Rome of 1957 met those needs. Please note: "ever closer union" did not appear in the 1957 Treaty and so was not something that was signed up to in 1975 by the UK or it's populace!
However, the Common Market or ECC worked, was acceptable to the majority of people both in the UK (and in all Western European countries) and was a good working model for an internal free trade bloc from the start.
The 1993 Maastricht Treaty was the turning point when people started to feel disadvantaged by the new European Community that became the EU and is now a supranational State-in-waiting
The EU, as it is will have to change or die.
I suspect that in due course the political nature of the EU will die away and Europe will revert back to the original 1957 free internal market concept.
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With the increased speculation driving high oil prices, and the enthusiasm on the part of those investors for the wash of fresh profit going their way, it may well be that protests will continue, as i can't see this changing with the lobbying power those investors have.
Mark,
In relation to the EU project and satisfaction or otherwise, it might be worth investigating another piece of legislation being touted among the political elite in the EU at the moment, being the potential enforcement by EU governments to screen or filter non approved software for use on the internet.
This to me touches the very heart of the increasingly distant relationship between EU citizens and the political class, under pressure from lobbyists hell bent on keeping large profits flowing into the pockets of the Telcos, and other interested parties.
Should this legislation go through, it means EU governments will decide which software is allowed to be used on the internet, which would put widely used software like Skype and Firefox at immediate risk, under direct lobbied pressure from those who see these components as a direct threat to artificially high profits.
This move will touch a large majority of EU citizens, detrimentally, and will put those who rely on these cheap and reliable tools to keep in touch with family and friends once more in the clutches of the Telco corporates, for whom compassion and fair charge are foreign concepts.
Please, let's get this one in the public eye, as it's liable to do far more permanent damage to the social infrastructure of the EU than people may be aware of.
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Mendemus
There's a big difference between a trade agreement and entry into a political union where all power is ceded to a remote central authority including free movement of people accross borders without control and ceding control over currency. In effect sovereignty isgiven away without the consent of the people being governed. Did you notice how Maastrict was manipulated by France and Germany? They insisted on the Growth and Stability pact and the huge fines for violating it. Then they were the only ones who violated it repeatedly. But did they pay even one Euro of the billions they should have in fines? No, they just bought off the corrupt court which ruled that the Growth and Stability pact was obsolete and therefore fine should not be imposed. What do you suppose would have happened if say some of the smaller members had been the ones to violate it. I find it interesting how people high in European governments seem to flow easily in and out between their own government and the EU government in one capacity or another. Neil Kinnock was one. There seem to be a lot of others. The EU seems to be their own way to get lots of free perks their own nations would never put up with.
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''Too late now... I can't find in myself the slightest shred of sympathy for them.''
Its never too late.
We know you hold no sympathy for Europeans, Marcus, but then many Europeans [not me included] hold no sympathy for the US under their Emperor Bush II.
I myself offer my deepest condolences, cos you guys used to be cool... ;)
Its never too late
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Choose love.
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"There will not be any new treaty. It's either Lisbon, or it's Nice," Mr Sarkozy said, drawing strong applause from MEPs. (This website)
Well, thank you Mr. Sarkozy for demonstrating your amazing arrogance and anti-democratic nature!
Thank you for giving us a taste of the new dictatorial Europe!
And thank you to M"EP"s for demonstrating that we need to get rid of you lot, through the ballot box and that similarly we need to get rid of the anti-democratic "EU"-lovers in our national parliaments. (through the ballot box!)
Neither Lisbon or Nice is acceptable to many of us.
Perhaps others might like o join me in using the site of the French Presidency of the "EU" to try to get the message to Sarkozy:
http://www.ue2008.fr/PFUE/lang/en/accueil/Contact
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Re #10 and #13...
I'm fully aware that diesel engines have better torque at low revs. However it's not true that LPG requires specially reinforced tanks, etc.
I've just spent some time driving across Central/Eastern Europe. In countries like Poland most filling stations routinely have at least one LPG pomp. Moreover, many people have additional LPG tank (usually toroidal in shape and occupying a space of a spare tire) installed in their gasoline-powered cars which gives them extra flexibility in areas where propane is not widely available.
Diesel engines ARE dirty (smoke belching out of their tailpipes or not), not to mention diffcult to start in very low temperatures.
That's why Daimler, BMW, etc. cannot sell any diesel-powered passenger cars in USA: they simply don't meet EPA norms (check).
And finally, these days diesel fuel is more expensive than regular unleaded, not the other way round, although merely 2 years ago the opposite was the case.
BTW. If conventional sumbarines can use their diesel engines just to charge their electric motors, so could fishing boats, additional benefits being much less noise and pollution. More and more state/school owned buses in US are hybrid.
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I live in Spain and eat a lot of fish (and seafood) therefore I think I should be allowed a couple of comments.
Commercial fishing is a dying industry worldwide but is not dead yet. Fish in Spain used to come fromthe Mediteranean and close to Atlantic and Bay of Biscay coast. Today salmon comes from Norway, some comes from the Atlantic and the Med, but a great deal is imported from the Far East, the coust of South America and from Africa. Spain is the biggest fish market on earth. Much if it has been fished illegally, is undersize or both. It is my belief that in 20 years time, with very few exceptions, there will be a little local fishing and the rest will be fish farmed.
At the present time the price of petrol and diesel oil is giving pain to everyone in Europe and America and rest of the world. As usual, it is the poorest people and countries that are suffering most. I my opinion it is crazy that the prices are based on the marginal dollar price on the New York exchange. It should be based on long term contract prices in US Dollars in the United States and in Euros in the European Union.
The more or less universal attitude towards goverment in Europe, including Spain is not to trust them with more power than is absolutely necessary. This is nothing personal, it is the result of national experiencies during much of the 20th century. Spain only became a democracy 30 years ago by National Referendum (now were have I heard that word before), before that we had the 35 year dictatorship of General Franco, following a bitter and bloody 3 year civil war, before that an inifectual republic with fifty parties and groups in the parliament, etc, etc. Only the Russians were on the 'Winning Side', if there were any winners in World War II in Europe, and at what a price!
Never again - is what brings and keeps the people of Europe together, not institutions, laws and least of all governments.
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It has been interesting reading the comments regarding Petrol vs Diesel vs LPG or vs Biofuels.
Diesel Fuel is less refined and cheaper to provide to the consumer but the tax was reduced in the UK at one time to make it similar in price to unleaded petrol.
However, the tax advantage has been removed and now diesel is rising in price faster and to highs that are making it difficult for existing diesel-engined vehicle owners.
It has been mentioned Diesel is dirty but it produces no more carbon per engine cc. The problem is simply that low toque engines are great at low speeds but to make a vehicle capable of driving at higher speed and suitable for all terrain driving, including roads and highways, a diesel-powered vehicle requires a bigger engine.
Big engines produce more carbon (and other noxious substances) when compared to small petrol-driven cars but diesel engines are otherwise more efficient and more robust than petrol-driven cars.
Because of the high emissions, diesel vehicles are seen as the BIG polluters but take a look around the world and you'll see more diesel-engined vehicles still in in use when compared to the petrol-driven vehicles that have been scrapped because the engines and bodywork are worn out. Often a diesel-engined car will last the lifetime of two petrol driven cars that are sacrificed to the car dumps - maybe even longer than that!
Scrapped petrol driven vehicles are actually a worse pollutant than all the fuel emissions ever produced by the diesel engine vehicles still running around as 4x4s or Lorries delivering food, raw materials, finished product or people using public transport such as buses.
I sometimes think that 'Green Activists' allow their 'green with envy' emnity towards the people driving 4x4s to overrule their heads and forget their green aspirations should target other vehicles that are just as harmful to the environment such as petrol-driven cars, even small ones, that have in-built obselesence and thus contribute to the ever-increasing piles of scrapped cars that proliferate throughout the world never to disappear.
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need3reality #22 (I took you down a peg)
I've seen lots of Europeans bash America without knowledge or facts just because they wanted to out of jealousy, yet I rarely if ever hear other Europeans say that it isn't justified or demand accusations be substantiated with facts. But let one American express negative opinions about Europe and look out, the hounds of hell will be unleashed. I've read some European history and lots of American history and I've lived in Europe for awhile so I got a first hand flavor for it. My observation is that as little as many Americans know about Europe, most Europeans know virtually nothing of importance about America. And surprisingly that goes for not only the average EU citizen but for some people in fairly high places who should know quite a bit.
BTW, which fact or opinion that I stated do you disagree with this time, the ability of a country to back out of the EU once it has adopted the Euro? I think that would be very difficult. It will be interesting in the unlikely event one of the members tries it though. I'll be watching.
I take note of your condolances although they seem less then genuine to me. I'd think about my own plight now if I were in Europe. There is going to be some very bad times coming all over the world if my hunch is right. But I think America will recover from it. I don't know about anyone else though. I don't see any good outcomes for anybody else even on the distant horizon. Maybe Japan and Canada.
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The article on this website on the French EU presidency states
"The treaty is intended to streamline EU decision-making following enlargement of the bloc, creating a new EU president and foreign affairs chief.
Other treaty reforms, such as a new voting system and smaller European Commission, are designed to allow for further EU enlargement. The current Nice Treaty was drawn up for an EU of 27 nations."
This is disgraceful BBC bias. It puts the Europhile perspective: that the Lisbon Treaty is merely an little bit of an administrative tidy up - its intentions are solely to improve efficiency and is needed for the enlargement, whilst implying the Nice Treaty will not be fit for this purpose. It gives no balancing view of the Eurosceptic viewpoint; no suggestion that there are a substantial number of people who regard the 'intentions' behind the Lisbon Treaty as the further political integration of the European nations, and its 'design', particularly its deliberately opaque construction, to be a stalking horse for further political integration resulting in the loss of national sovereignty.
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Mark:
I hope you are having a nice time in A Coruna, Spain...
Now to the question ask: The fisherman are in crisis because of over-fishing and having little over-sight from apprioriate authorities.
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