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Who Is A Victim 2?

Mark Devenport | 10:28 UK time, Wednesday, 23 April 2008

The current stand off over the Victims Bill is focussed on the question of whether there should be a Chief Victims Commissioner and if the new Commission should decide contentious issues by majority voting. Speaking on this morning's Nolan Show the Commissioner Designate supported the idea of a rotating Chair.

In the background, however, there is still lurking the more ideological debate about the definition of victims. As reported here at the start of this month Who Is A Victim?, the Ulster Unionists ought to reopen this debate. However their amendment to the bill was ruled out of order as it represented too major a change to a measure which was meant to tidy up the workings of the Commission. Despite that a sense of the strength of unionist feeling on this score was that DUP MLAs tabled a very similar amendment, which was also ruled out of order Failed UUP and DUP amendments

The First and Deputy First Minister's agreed compromise has been to leave it the proposed new Victims Forum to discuss the definition of a victim, although it's hard to see the Forum budging from the existing all inclusive definition, especially if a new one would disqualify some of those appointed to the Forum.

The Ulster Unionists have now come up with some amendments which have been accepted, whilst hinting at the same territory. These potential changes to the bill refer only to those who can be appointed to or employed by the new Victims Commission. But they would exclude "anyone convicted of a criminal offence arising out of a conflict-related incident". Do they have the potential to stir similar controversy to those amendments which were previously disallowed New UUP amendments?

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  • 1. At 8:44pm on 23 Apr 2008, Pan-dora wrote:

    THE ‘HORLICKS’ BILL…

    With the proposed new clauses by UUP and DUP now not going forward and the debacle of whether there will be one commissioner or four with an assortment of voting procedures proposed by the DUP, SDLP and Alliance, perhaps the Assembly can come to an agreement and sort out the ‘horlicks’ by requesting the Secretary of State for Northern Ireland to have the Victims and Survivors Order (Northern Ireland) 2006 repealed and everyone can start again.

    After all this fiasco, one wonders what the Assembly will do when Policing and Justice is devolved!

    Mark: I wonder if you might be able to find out, without going through the Freedom of Information, if the present four commissioners-designate are receiving their full salaries and expenses?

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  • 2. At 8:58pm on 23 Apr 2008, Pan-dora wrote:

    Mark: Just one thing. I have noticed that where inverted commas are used, they appear on your blog as question marks. Is this a new fashion??

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  • 3. At 9:24pm on 26 Apr 2008, offering wrote:


    A good project for the schools provided the Minister of Education is excluded. The two First Ministers must act jointly - knowing the background and beliefs of both this is surely designed not to work. The word conflict is not described in the wording of the amendments i.e. do they mean terrorist related or politically related conflict or what? Sitting as it is anything could be read into it.

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