Meeting the super-delegates
The race for the Democratic nomination will come down to 800 or so super-delegates.
These are the Democratic party elders like Bill Clinton, Al Gore and other senior statesmen. But a good majority of them are also ordinary Americans, and their weight in terms of who they decide to vote for matters just as much as those of those politicians.
And they all are being wooed heavily by Senators Clinton and Obama. Every super-delegate vote counts, and given that the race for the nomination is so close, you may be hearing more of people you might not have expected to hear of at all.
Jason Rae, a 21-year-old super-delegate from Marquette University in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, says he was unprepared for what hit him.
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Dr John Millin, an opthalmologist from Cheyenne, Wyoming, came out in favour of Obama back in November. But he now worries that this small group of 800 might collectively overrule the millions of Americans who have voted for either Clinton or Obama.
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And Debbie Marquez, a Mexican restaurant owner from Edwards, Colorado spoke to Bill Clinton for 45 minutes about which candidate she would support. In the end, she chose Obama.
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Obama's not spending money on the buttons/stickers/other items in Pennsylvania - so where's it going? Super delegates?
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Mr. Webb, when you were speaking to Jason Rae, the 21 year old student from Marquette University in Milwaukee Wisconsin you may have been talking to America's next Ambassador to Great Britain. Dr. John Millin the opthamologist behind the surgical mask from Cheyenne Wyoming you spoke with might be our next representative to the United Nations. (The eyes of the world are upon us.) And Debbie Marques, the Mexican Restaurant owner from Edwards Colorado might be our next trade negotiator with Mexico. I'll trade you 25 pounds of this here Monterrey Jack Cheese and 50 cases of taco shells for 50,000 illegal migrant workers to pick this year's lettuce crop at harvest time in Texas and California's Central Valley. Now do you see how our system works? :-) And we owe all our success to wheelers and dealers like these. Heaven help us.
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Obama has had many more television and radio ads in Pennsylvania than Clinton. These are quite costly. Just saw Michael Moore endorsed Obama.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/21/michael-moore-endorses-ob_n_97732.html
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My guess is that Justin felt obliged to balance his earlier supposed lean toward Mrs Clinton with three supporters of Mr Obama. Nothing like having fair and balanced coverage - even Fox News would have made a better effort! Young Jason Rae gives his vote to Mr Obama because of the Wisconsin exit polls, not policy or character; Dr Millin thinks that super-delegates should make a pre-emptive vote, ignoring the very basis for their creation and the Convention process, and Ms Marques provides no reason for withholding her vote from Mrs Clinton, with the caveat that she would support her if she became the Democratic candidate. The argument that 800 delegates could overrule "the will of the people" ignores the very raison d'etre for their presence at the convention, to decide on which Democratic candidate is the most electable. Despite Howard Dean and his pleas, there should be no decision made before the Convention assembles and decides the matter - it is only sheer luck that Mr McCain is the presumptive nominee for his party. A lot can happen between April and August and no sensible candidate should make their choice irrevocable before all the delegates - including those of Michigan and Florida - assemble in Denver.
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By the way, Justin, I got a call from Bill Clinton last night, too, but it was a prerecorded pitch for his wife. Jason is right, there is no mistaking that voice.
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I was almost born in Florence, Italy... but two weeks before my birth, my mother foolishly flew to the $tates because she wanted me to be an American. I've never completely forgiven her.
The United $tates, as far as I'm concerned, is not a democracy or even a Republic. The reality is that America, known today as Amerika, is really a corp-rat plutocracy... and quite possibly a plutocrazy. It is a nation where the ruling class keeps the people ignorant, clueless and addicted to profligate consumption via the corp-rat owned media. This is done to consolidate wealth and power in the hands of the few.
The Revolutionary War and the Civil War were actually conflicts between two powerful plutocracies. All the subsequent wars have been for the $ake of war profiteering and hegemony, two attributes of plutocracies and oligarchies. I realize that some of you folks (and especially ewe folks) will strongly disagree with the accessment given herein... but denial or deny-all will not belie the truth forever.
The re-$ellection" of George W. Bush demonstrates all too well the reality of America being Amerika, a plutocracy. It also reveals the sorrowful fact that the soidisant elections in the United $tates are rather fraudulant. I rest my case with the electoral college, a $cam invented, perpetrated and maintained to manipulate and subvert the will of the people. The $uper-delegate $cheme is no different.
Hey! I am the "court jester." It is my job to $peak and espeak truth to power. I'm also getting paid to post this little blurb here. The BBC, unlike the main-$tream media outlets in Amerika, is one of the few media giants in the world that still possesses a kernal of integrity... and some of my frank and candid views are permitted to "leak" out. Pravada and al Jazeera also "leak" out my views.
And now for my most audacious statement.
I live in Florida most of the time. It's close to Cuba and South America (just in case the king decides to cut off the jester's head). Living here in Florida (a.k.a.: Flori-duh)... I saw first hand (and up close) the bizarre voter fraud that occurred here back in 2000. It made me see clearly the nature of the beast. Old Coyote Knose... that the electoral college is a total fraud; America is really Amerika, a plutocratic corporatocracy where the Federal Government and most $tate and local governments are controlled by corp-rats and their lobbyists.
Okay. Here's a prediction. WE think that the next President of the United $tates will be John McCain's Vice Presidential choice... probably starting in the summer of 2009. We have reasons for predicting this possibility... but they are too complex and dangerous to reveal them here. The invasion and occupation of Iraq-nam should give ewe folks a hint.
Don't pooh pooh my commentary here. Almost everybody in the castle tells the king and queen what they want to hear... except the "Court Jester," the "Fool" who dares tell the king and queen what's really going on! And you're getting some of it here!
I am Guy Fox... the $econd cousin of the other "Guy." Pleased to meet ewe folks! Hope ewe guess my name.
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oldcoyoteknose,
You sound miserable. You should move to another country and apply for citizenship there. As far as Italy, I'm afraid you might find worse corruption there.
Seriously, if Amerika doesn't bring you joy, why talk about it? There are plenty of places in the world where you won't hear a word about the US. And as far as it expanding, don't worry. My country is already in self-destruct mode. We'll be seeing a major shift these next 15 years.
My country has become to proud, not regarding forces it should reckon with. Our next president will not help. McCain is capable of getting the job done, but doesn't really understand everything going on. Clinton will just feed the ugly beast that America has become. And not least, Obama promises change, but looking at who he is and his record, it will most likely be change we will regret.
America is not the problem. It's people's hearts. Who will teach her morality? Not money, not secularism, not war, nor power. Who will return Ms. Liberty her torch of fire? I find no one. Look! The bear beats his chest. The white elephant has grown great. Look! The great red dragon is awake.
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The strategy that Obama and his team have put in play in Pennsylvania will be the stuff that future aspiring politicians employ in future elections. This will all become apparent when the results begin to trickle in. Be ready for an upset.
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A non Partsian comment.
The Democrats have themselves to blame for the delegate mess. A Winner take all in the Primary makes more sense. And the Cacusus should be eliminated entirely because the system is abused by George Soros flunkeys and other Moonbats.
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An interesting and foreboding rant from coyoteknose. It makes me think of a letter and response that Jonathan Cainer (the astrologer described by Private Eye as a Goblin faced egomaniac) posted on his website a couple of months ago.
"Dear Jonathan,
You have predicted a Hillary presidency. As a fellow astrologer, I know why. The inauguration chart of 2009 is dramatic. But have you looked lately at Hillary's horoscope? I predict Obama will win and will be wildly popular. He will not, though, complete his term. Kennedy, Nixon, Roosevelt (in his last term), were all inaugurated under the same aspect.
Kevin
Dear Kevin,
Rightly or wrongly, I have interpreted the situation differently - using different techniques. Meanwhile, if that inauguration chart can tell us anything, surely what it suggests, is that WHOEVER wins may not complete their term.
Jonathan."
Ridiculous, scary, opportunistic nonsense etc. etc. - but interesting in the context of the aforementioned posting...
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if the super-delegates deside to nominate hillary there will be a backlash the likes of which no party has seen before. she will lose to mccain and the whole thing will be for naught
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surrender, hillary!
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Oh... and does anyone have an answer on how the Superdelegates may view Sen. Clinton's attack on the MoveOn organisation?
The Guardian article I linked to in a previous posting suggests that she may be effectively abandoning the party...
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Worldwideryan,... Thanks, well said. Oldcoyotenose is proof that being born here doesn't make you an American.
Justin the three interviewed here astound me. Actually voting to increase your own taxes, to ask for your healthcare to be run by the same people that can't co-ordinate the DMV and to want your Military and National security in the hands of a man you've known for less than two years, (and it's NOT all good) amazes me. Superdelegates?
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Dissention is not a sign or the same as disloyalty!
Unless you all wish the US of A to be even more like its banker, china?
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What might the superdelegates think about this:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/21/clinton-on-iran-attack-to_n_97860.html
Hillary obviously hasn't looked at Iran on Google Earth or checked the CIA fact book.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ir.html
Iran has some of the most difficult terrain in the world and is more than twice the size of Iraq, which we seem to have some difficulty controlling.....but with nukes, who cares?
xx
ed
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Yep, if I was living in Tehran right now, I'd be worried...
(Although it was also a pretty stupid question to ask don't you think?)
Seems there's a huge foreign policy basis for choosing your Presidential pick and with statements like that doesn't she undermine her whole "vastly experienced in overseas affairs" argument?
And, on a trivial point, did I mishear her or did she mispronounce Amhadinejad's name in that last debate?
It would be polite to at least get their names right before obliterating them.
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Obama won more delegates in Texas, yet Clinton continues to claim to be the only one who can win "big" states. She seems to be doing a pretty good impression of George Bush at the moment with the threat of attacking Iran. What's another war among friends? Let's ask retired Adm Fallon.
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I'm amused that the two delegates who received phone calls from Bill Clinton decided to support Obama...
More to the point Justin, three Obama supporters? A little biased?
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oldcoyoteknose,
Being an American, who has lived all over this country (NJ, NYC, TX, OK, DC, SF) and also having had the opportunity to live in many parts of the world (El Salvador, Canada, UK, Japan), I know how ridiculous your post was. But of course to the many who want desperately to believe anything negative about the US will eat your words up.
You honestly don't think there is excessive-consumerism, corporate greed or corruption in Europe, Central/South America, China, Japan, Australia, India, Canada or Africa? It?s people like you who disappoint me, because you talk down to others who carry hope and optimism, yet it?s you without the critical knowledge to make a sound and constructive comment.
And your use of the $ sign is not amusing. Americans have for too long been subject to underserved verbal or written abuse that have become commonplace on the Internet and in recent years it?s been taking its toll. The world is frustrated and the US is the easiest target - not very imaginative!
A person like you would not find happiness anywhere (didn?t your mom leave Italy?). You?re just bitter. My parents weren?t born or raised in the US and trust me ?bitter? has no borders.
Bottom line, nothing is easy in this world. There is nothing easy about moving your family thousands of miles away and starting a new life. I understand your struggle for identity. And feel for you. I really do. But your ranting is simply nonsense and provides a clearly distorted picture of the US and its wonderful, resilient and caring people to those who have not lived here or those who are Americans that have not experienced life elsewhere.
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A message for oldcoyoteknose;
Remeber a little information in the hands of an inmature mind can lead to confusion and outbursts.
You obviuosly attend or have attended a educational institution that has provided you with monotone perspective on life.
Boo Hoo I live in Florida and wish my Mom would have stayed in Italy. Get a grip on yourself, finish school, get a job, broaden your outlook on life and stop expecting your
Mom and everyone else to make your life whole.
We all know that life insn't fair, but who ever said it was!
C. Merkel - Upstate NY
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The whole super-delagate thing`shows how un-democratic the democrats really are.
There's no way to tell how these people are going to vote when they actually get to the Convention, ideally they would go with the majority of demacratic voters, but it's still anybody's guess who will be the Democratic Nominee.
I predict that If Hillary is nominated that votors will come out in droves against her to prevent a repeat of her husband's administration.
And If Barrack is niminated, people will support him as an obvious change from Dubya.
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oldcoyoteknose (#6): Ok, so what do you plan to do to help lesson the corprate media's strangle hold on the consumer, so that they will be fairly informed so that they may (hopefully) change the money-owned system known as the United States of America?
Worldwideryan (#7): Are you jokeing? Obama's record proves possible change for the worst? Yeah, because no one wants to help the poor and reverse what we have become according to oldcoyoteknose anyway, right? No one really, truely, honestly, doesn't want as many enamies as we can have, huh? I can think of millions who would feel this way!!
Kecsmar (#15): Yes!!! However there's a difference, is there not, between truethful decent, and atacks. I don't think, and I doubt many would disagree, that the media's soul purpose is to "keep power in the hands of the few so as to keep the people ignorant of the happenings around them"!! It would be nice if those who criticise us, would do so constructively, so that we may heed their advice in my opinion, as I try to do when I criticise this country.
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Now that Mrs Clinton has said that she would "obliterate" Iran if necessary, I wonder how that has affected both voters in Pennsylvania and the opinions of super-delegates. Although designed to demonstrate her potential strength as Commander-in-Chief, might not that backfire? Although my own preference has been for Mrs Clinton, I'm not at all sure that I would want a trigger-happy President willing to nuke any country. However, a former neighbour of mine thought the invasion of Iraq was a good thing, since "we have a bigger bomb". That kind of attitude is likely to be held by many 'patriotic' Americans, but I suggest a lot of Clinton supporters are likely to have second thoughts about her suitability for the highest office.
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In my opinion the Super Delegate card will be played and it will only fracture the democratic party more than it already is.
It is probably a good thing that this extreme vetting process is taking place. It has prevented Hillary from walking away with the nomination. If she was already the nominee she would be hiding from the media until September.
Her recent statement gaffs about being under sniper fire in Bosnia and todays statement about a nuclear war with Iran should be a major red flag and a warning to anyone trying to see through her well polished facade.
I'm a resident of New York State and am totally displeased with her special interest politics as usual disdain for the common people who pay her salary. Her activities on the Armed Services Committe should also be a key indicator of why she should not be the C.E.O. of our country.
A race between McCain and Obama would be much more productive for our nation in these trying times.
Albany, NY
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Oh... and does anyone have an answer on how the Superdelegates may view Sen. Clinton's attack on the MoveOn organisation?
Depends if they resent liberal idealouges who hate America taking over the Democratic party.
Move on is a facist hate orginization!!
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@ DaniTX; has it ever occurrred to you that if that many different people have so mnay criticisms to
make of your country, that there may possibly be something in it?
LIke the actions of US govt and your larger corporations causing misery and suffering for an awful lot of people.
I myself am always careful to differentiate between State and people - but the govts don't egt there without your votes.
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Although some people see the Obama/Clinton choice as being between hope and fear I believe it to be between fantasy and reality.
The Obama camp are criticising Clinton for her comment about a NUCLEAR ATTACK against Israel. That's pretty extreme by any standard and Obama said he would act 'forcefully' - what does that mean, an attack a la Iraq, an embargo as Israel burns to a cinder or maybe a fabulous speech ? The speech would have Amhadinejad shaking in his boots, but he'd have to stop laughing eventually.
It seems to me that Obama supporters seem to think that if they wish hard enough he will make things seem as if the invasion of Iraq had never happened. If the US withdraws Iraq will come under Iranian control in no time, but then again Obama has said if that happened he would send the troops back in ( what ???? Is that really a winning policy ? How many Americans and Brits would die trying to regain control of territory given up so lightly ?).
He has set himself up as the keeper of peoples dreams and that only he can save the US. He has stated that the moral high ground is his ( haven't heard much from him about the rights of the democratic voters of Michigan and Florida ). Yet at the first sign of trouble he literally runs away from the media ( yes, I am talking about the pastor issue !!! Just because it's old news doesn't mean it's not relevant ) until he and his spin doctors come up with a speech that some people call great and heart warming. Hold on didn't he admit that he'd lied, but hey, that's his honesty shining through (1984 eat your heart out !! ). He said that he wouldn't resort to negative campaigning, but the moment the media stops doing the dirty work for him, he panics and out comes the bile.
The Republicans will have a field day.
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Another interesting item, Justin. Just a shame that your film doesn't quite reveal why Mister Millin and Miss Marquez support Obama.
1) oldcoyoteknose: I feel sorry for your mother. She obviously left Italy for the US in the hope that you would have opportunities here you wouldn't have in Italy and use them. A waste of breath.
2) I find the number of eloquent Americans on this British Broadcasting Corporation website remarkable. Are Americans simply curious about the British perspective on US politics, or do US media outlets fail them?
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I've noticed a certain predilliction of Hillary Clinton to make statements that really are easy to make, as she isn't actually binding herself to anything. She said the other week that if ashe were president she would have boycotted the opening ceremony at the olympics. Big deal. The two olympic games in 2010 and 2012 are in Vancouver and London, its not like either Canada or Britain is going to sufficiently upset the US to make a boycott an issue. Then she says she would declare war on Iran if they invaded Israel. Two things here, find me a US president that wouldn't do that, and secondly is that likely to happen? Iran and Israel aren't exactly nest to each other. Still it will make those Jews in PA who have heard Obama's name in the same sentence as Farrakhan jumpy enough to go vote.
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Streathamite in Milano!,
Thank you for your comment. I agree with you that governments and corporations need to be held accountable. But we all know that it's easier said then done. And being a country of over 300 mil people with far reaching influence (media, movies, trans-national corporations, military, cultural, music, sports, etc.), it becomes difficult to become quote unquote invisible; despite the fact that so many Americans would really like to take a break from all the over-exposure. But i doubt that's ever going to happen. Being mysterious is sexy now; making Iceland and Malta rather enviable places at this particular moment in history.
I, like many of my neighbors and friends did not vote for the current president but understand the dynamics that pushed many to vote differently. After 9/11 our country felt very vulnerable and hurt...and the rest is history.
I respect your post. It is clearly sincere.
The US is not perfect and deserves criticism at times and i think you'll find that Americans will more often than not agree with your critic; and of course our government gets plenty of criticism from its own people.
But there are those who needlessly pile on (equating everything American into some kind of insult), and that's what hurts.
Thanks again for your post and feedback.
i appreciate it!
PS: And in regards to superdelegates, initially it was created to offer those like Jesse Jackson for example, who is African American, and first ran for the democratic nomination in the early 80s a real chance at getting the nomination ? perhaps a tool to overcome overt racism, etc. And so it?s ironic that this tool put into place in the 70s (a very different time in our history) may somehow hurt Obama?s candidacy. But at the end of the day the superdelegates will vote the will of the people and who ever has the lead in delegates and popular vote in/around June will get the majority of the superdelegate vote. Disenfranchising millions of voters, especially African American voters, is not the kind of history the DNC wants to make!
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#29: Speaking for myself, both.
American media outlets, conservative or liberal, are still American. They're necessarily broadcasting from a given point of view.
It's always interesting to get different perspectives, and I've often found a slightly different slant given to or point emphasized in the BBC coverage of a story than I've found with any American media.
And, besides, Americans as a whole like you Brits :)
Maybe it's the accent.
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I am currently residing in the US and have kept up to date on all the election coverage. The BBC has a different slant compared to the mainstream US news outlets. Stories that I expect to covered in the US are ignored whilst stories that are nothing generate the most coverage.
Moving on, I feel it is important that the US and British media highlight this point. If Hilliary Clinton wins the Democratic nomination and goes on to win the Presidency it could mean up to 28 years of unbroken rule by a Bush-Clinton dynasty. Obama is right, its time for change.
NB. for Clinton to run under a campaign of change is quite frankly laughable.
http://thewaitingroom-mcsb.blogspot.com/
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ronaine:
Attacking MoveOn was an incredibly stupid stunt; they raised $300 million dollars for Democrats during the last election! Hillary accused MoveOn of flooding the Nevada primary in particular ... although MoveOn had not yet held their straw poll and had not yet endorsed Obama. Their sin? Showing up to vote. Additionally idiotic as not every MoveOn participant WAS an Obama supporter; their poll required a 66% threshold for endorsement. What's 30% of 3.2 million? More votes than she can stand to lose.
MoveOn is a formidable enemy or an affluent friend, and very consistent in the causes and candidates they support or oppose.
Someone on MSNBC described MoveOn members as those Democrats who fell on the Woodstock side of the 60s. I'd describe them as progressive liberals who continue the struggle for civil equality, insist habeas corpus be restored and oppose the Iraq War with the same energy they opposed Viet Nam. They have lots of petitions, money and organizing muscle. On the occasion of his Nobel, Al Gore particularly thanked MoveOn.
They aren't Billary's people anyway. While they were out marching against the war and for voting rights, Hillary was campaigning for Nelson Rockefeller (yawn). Bill Clinton was and is a classic Dixiecrat. As my former Congresswoman Pat Schroeder lamented after Bill had been in office a short time, "It's as if he took us to the dance and went home with somebody else."
New attacks on an old and now respectable 60s radical or a run-of-the-mill liberation theology pastor irritate MoveOn and remind them of Billary's consistently bad fit with Democrats and democracy. It was hard for Democrats (not Dixiecrats) to defend the Clintons the first time around ... for example, as Arkansas Governor, Clinton executed a lot of black men, a few "intellectually" challenged people, and a number of teenagers. Even those who support capital punishment desire some limits.
MoveOn is middle-class and middle-minded -- to characterize them as "far left" is ridiculous. These are the people who funded Public Television and National Public Radio (our BBC, so to speak) when Bush slashed the government ante. These are followers of FDR, not Lenin.
"Reagan" Democrats -- those "deer hunters" Billary's been courting in Pennsylvania -- don't have deep pockets and definitely never marched on Washington. Their motto in the 60's was "my country, right or wrong." Their only connection with the Democratic party is a union affiliation (unless of course they're Teamsters, notoriously Republican and mob-run). They are strongest in industrial states with stalwart political machines, and no state matches that description better than Pennsylvania.
It's amazing Obama has done as well as he has since he has steadfastly refused to play any of the "machine" games, such as PAYING people to canvass or transport voters to the polls, so called "street money." He is challenging things from the "bottom-up;" the only way he can lose the nomination IS from the "top-down," which will result, as Rachel Maddow suggests, with pitchforks in the street in Denver. Unlike Mr. Webb's three samples, most superdelegates are elected officials ... who want to be re-elected. I'm not sure Hillary's ambitions will trump personal political survival.
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Clinton wins by 10%
Okay Justin, how did you know this would be the result all those weeks ago ?
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Well, I asked the question and got two vastly differing answers there - Thanks to Greta_Hanson and Magickirin...
I must say that a 'fascist hate organisation' wasn't the image I had in mind from the little I've heard of them (nor from their website) - but I can see, while Moveon may not be particularly of importance to Sen. Clinton's strategy for power, that they are of value to the party as a whole.
I agree that Sen Obama's integrity with the process is refreshing - as is a lot of what of he has to say (at least to a lot of people this side of the Atlantic).
But is America ready for him? I worry about the majority of posts I see on US media blogs, which are vitriolic to say the least...
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the results posted at PA Dept State show
*** 9,177 out of 9,263 Districts (99.07%) Reporting Statewide ***
CLINTON, HILLARY (DEM)
1,234,547 54.3%
and
OBAMA, BARACK (DEM)
1,041,136 45.8%
http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/
which seems to be a diff of 8.5% so HRC did not get a double digit win after all.
Salaam/Shalom/Shanthi/Dorood/Peace
Namaste -ed
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DaniTX; fair play, and I kinda see your point. We feel here that we have simply a choice between 3 equally abysmal alternatives, under a sham of democracy - hence the turnout in the last 2 Gen elections.
One point I would make; it would be wise to differentiate between sincere, helpful and well-informed critics of US policy, those like myself who have no beef with the American people (how CAN any sensible person have a beef with an entire people?) and ignorant yank-bashers.
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After reading through the postings on the election I have one question - who IS supporting Hillary Clinton? Reason being that there seems to be a lack of support for her on here. (I'm in Ireland). I spent a year living in Arizona and had the same question about George W. because I hardly spoke to anyone in AZ, CA, NM, NY, NV or Denver who voted for him!
From a complete outsiders point of view, the fact that Hillary Clinton has not withdrawn says that she is trying to prove that she would do whatever it took to be a leader of the US. Maybe she is also planning on having a Clinton administration marked in history for something other than a sex scandal.
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Responding Gracenot2;
Hillary's supporters are the female demographic ages 30 to death. They will vote for her no matter how illogical or insane her statements are. They don't care how she fabricates, lies or manipulates her way into the presidency. They don't care if her soul has been sold to special interest or lobbyist The bottom line is they will vote for her just becuase she is a woman. Her personality is a blow back to the vietnam era Gloria Stienam bra burners.
Militant Feminism at its best!
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Women who support Hillary weren't bra-burners -- they were too busy ironing their husband's shirts.
And unlike Hillary, who has built her entire career on the basis of being a WIFE, Gloria Steinham famously quipped, "a woman needs a husband like a fish needs a bicycle."
Hillary's no more feminist than Clarence Thomas is a civil rights advocate.
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oldcoyoteknose...
Goodness! We do have a sense of self importance and know all, don't we? Of course the BBC loves you, BBC is anti American, didn't YOU know that? Silly person....you've been used!!
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This is the first since our American Sisters and Brothers will get a chance to vote for and finally get a Woman President. Missing this chance will guarantee another decade or two before they have one. I dont know why but I just feel it. Hillary is a one time in life choice. As a man and seeing her willingness and the steps that she left behind make me want to be an American so that I can vote for her. For Obama, well, what we can see in him, we sure will do can see in others. There are lots of great male thinkers in USA. What he can offer to America and the world, are truly great, but all of things, we can be sure will be carried out by Hillary administration. USA is the home of great male leaders. If Hillary is chosen, then that is good for a country who champion democracy in every means. Because after Hillary administration, it will be another couple of decades before another female sit in the oval office. Just for now I am sadden to imagine that after this election as well as this primaries, everyone, no matter what party they belong to, will sit back and reglect the decision they made on that day. One good news, you still not in a late stage to make it happen.
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i hope that you, had a nice time meeting the super-delegates!
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