Pollution problem
A week ago, we showed you that Beijing was still failing to meet its promise of clean air for the Olympic Games.
I said that we would carry on testing for particulates (PM10) every day in the run-up to the Games. We've done so.
Here's what we've found over the last week...
We also took photos every day from the same spot in central Beijing. Click here to see a gallery.
It's important to say this - our measurements are just a snapshot. We've measured for a single period in the middle of Beijing in the middle of the day. The hand-held device that we're using has a margin of error of about 20%.
But our readings show that Beijing has continued to exceed the World Health Organisation's most generous PM10 standards (remember - Beijing promised that the air during the Olympics would meet WHO standards). On two days out of the last seven, we detected particulate levels far above the WHO's guidelines.
But Beijing insists it still has time to get it right (it would also say that its own readings show PM10 levels which are much lower than ours.) On July 20th, this city's imposing a series of emergency clean air measures - more than a million cars will be taken off the streets, and all construction work will have to stop. That gives 19 days for the dust and the particles to settle before the Games begin.
We'll carry on testing to see what difference these emergency measures make.
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James, carry on reporting for as long as you can. A Government which supports the Governments of Myanmar, Sudan and Zimbabwe will obviously have their own meter readers and your meter was obviously damaged in transit. I hope you won't be sent back to school for retraining on how to read a meter.
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My concern here is not the Olympics. I am shocked to read the data provided by James concerning how high the pollution levels are in Beijing and am seriously concerned about the health effect this must have on the Beijing public.
Are the Chinese people living/working in Beijing aware of how high and unacceptable these pollution levels are?
Are the Chinese people living/working in Beijing able to do anything such as lobby their government to do something to rectify this situation....not just for the Olympics too keep all of us Westerners happy but for the sake of themselves and their children?
Economic boom at what cost!
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James, would you mind telling us for how long do you measure everyday, and from which time to which time? As to the site of measurement, is it still along Yonghegong avenue? It's also worth telling whether this site is among the cleanest, or among the most poluted places in Beijing.
Understand that you as a journalist will not be able to carry out very scientific tests, but the above information would be very helpful for readers in their evaluation of your test results. Thanks.
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Good to see you have added:
"It's important to say this - our measurements are just a snapshot"
But you still need to add:
"It's important to say this - WHO PM10 standards 50 µg/m3 is of an annual mean"
www.EPA.gov website says:
"EPA's health-based national air quality standard for PM-10 is 50 µg/m3 (measured as an annual mean) and 150 µg/m3 (measured as a daily concentration)"
You know this, don't you?
Please be professional! Then your reports will be more convincing!
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It's not just important to say your measurements are a snapshot, it's important to say that the WHO guidelines are for A 24 HOUR MEAN.
You have not taken measurements over a 24 hour mean (you've taken them for 10 minutes a day) and therefore your data and the accompanying barage of articles based on them are MEANINGLESS.
If you take readings over 24 hours for just one day then that will still be better than the measurements you've taken so far.
Take measurements every hour or even every three hours for one day and at least then you'll have one piece of useful data that can be verified by repeats.
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James, please also do keep eyes on pollutions in China even after the Games. I personally would like to give you a prize if you carry on critising the Chinese pollution issues, particually as I said after the Games. This will make more sence and do benefit to Chinese people!
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James, why don't you explain the geography of Beijing and how it is a heaven for smog?
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Well, seeing has how China is a developing country -- and the IOC has full notice of that fact both now and back when the Olympics were awarded to China ... isn't the WHO interim target for developing countries (which the Beijing air meets more often than not, even according to your admittedly crude measurements) a more suitable benchmark?
Beijing will never have air like western Canada. What Beijing does have is millions who revel at the idea of the Olympics in China. Again and again, the Western focus is on the political agenda. But what one fails to forget is that the people of the entire nation take true pride and joy for not their government but themselves, via these games.
Should I be a runner, or a swimmer, or a whatever, the very idea that millions will watch and enjoy me doing, simply, what I do is ... for me at least ... worth it.
Let's assume that Beijing fails on the air issue. What's the most "Olympic" thing to do? Brand it an utter failure? Is the West simply waiting for the other shoe to drop perhaps? Waiting, hoping, praying, actively assisting maybe even ... that Beijing will be a complete and utter flop?
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Beijing air pollution is making a huge point here. It in deed is. But in order to determine whether or not the air is fit for the athletes, tests by professionally qualified personals have to be taken.
Of course, BBC's Beijing correspondant's effort in doing so is appreciable, but how much it helps its readers to get a proper image of Beijing air is hard to say.
Causing doubts (more than is needed) in the minds of air pollution conscious Olympic fans is perhaps of no virtue.
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This is disgraceful James
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I grew up in the city of Taiyuan in Shanxi province, which is the coal producing province of China. During my childhood my city has been repeated listed as the most polluted city in the world. However, most of my friends don't have respiratory problems. In fact, to date, I have never had any allegy problems, any respiratory probelms and better lung function test than most people in UK if you normalise for age and height. As atheletes trained in Beijing would be used to the air quality, there will be a home advantage. But there is always a home advantage.
Beijing has always had problems with pollution. Even before the huge surge in development, Beijing was famous for its dusty and windy springs. The situation is my city at least has got a lot better over last few years. And to be honest, it is only with further economical development that we will have the financial and technological capacity to cope with and reverse pollution.
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Those people dismissing these results and the story itself confound.
The Chinese government itself set huge targets, essentially to host the greatest of all Olympic Games. The 'success' of these games therefore hinges on perfection. The condition of the air in Beijing then, makes for an interesting story, and it will also be interesting to see the effects that these emergency measures have.
Forget perfection; for the games to even be appreciated by the athletes themselves, then clean air is vital, and these emergency measures show that China realise this.
Therefore, KrSund70, westerners can only say the olympics were an utter flop if they fail to live up to the standards set by China.
Though I'm sure the Games will be memorable even if patches of smog accompany the Athletes as they compete.
(note to zickyyy and bobchemist: If the air pollution is rampant on the day of the Marathon running, for example, no amount of appeal to the 'annual mean', is going to mean anything. This story, or blog if you will, is about whether the Chinese can reach their goal of clear air in time for the Olympics!)
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I think that the data is interesting even if not scientific; true, the chart isn't perfect, and Mr. Reynolds could caveat that more, but it does still give *some* indication of what the air is like (as too do the pictures).
One interesting incidental effect of this data is that in another month, we'll have a sense of how much (or how little) effect can be had through radical changes in behaviour (like taking a million cars off the street). It gives a bit of a baseline when it comes to measuring the success of *other* measures. As niuniu2003 notes above, I hope that you continue the readings for at least a week or two after the Games to show the reverse effect!
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Obviously James is not claiming his pollution measurement as a scientific set of data. Quote, :It's important to say this - our measurements are just a snapshot. We've measured for a single period in the middle of Beijing in the middle of the day. The hand-held device that we're using has a margin of error of about 20%." But, he is saying so far not so good in Beijing's pollution control. James is reporting a small slice of the problems China has to deal with before the Game is to take place. The question is, can China do it, will the world's top athlete show up only to risk their health and performance? There are still a few more weeks to go before the opening of the Game. China must have a few tricks up her sleeve, a pun from a Chinese opera act. Will China shut down all industries and ban private autos if the pollution level contintues to be higher than WHO's recommendation? That might seem drastic, but anything can take place with a one-party rule government. Stay tune!
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A comment to the comment by Kunsel.
I think Chinese people know the awefulness of the AiR quality. I believe the nation has made a decision collectively (somehow - while it is not a democratic country, but as a Chinese myself I believe this is what roughly most Chinese people want) to strike a balance between development and polution that is different from what people in Western world would like. That's their choice, and people should respect that.
It is also encouraging to see that the Chinese are starting to put a bit of more focus on environment and polution. I believe the shift of balance will happen gradually, when the country becomes wealthier.
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What do the people think about all this instantaneous shutting down of construction and removing of cars?
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What on earth was the Olympic Committee think of when allowing this polluted city to host such a premier event ?
Yes, China has a lot of (poor) people; yes they might be persuaded to be better people if the world allows them to join in ( ???); yes, they may try to act responsibly with their abysmal record on human rights........if we in the world community "give" something such as the Olympics. All very doubtful, but worth the effort perhaps?
But, having seen just how dirty a place it is, I am concerned about the health of the athletes who have to reach pinnacles of body effort. I am also concerned about ordinary visitors, who are just not used to such levels of pollution. China promised to meet WHO standards : it looks as if it will not keep that promise. If so, let the world community remember the broken promise and keep other world events away from China.
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Thank you James.
I have one question: do you work for MI5 or BBC?
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James - thank you for informing everybody of the pollution in Beijing. There is no need of any measurement, the pictures themselves tell of the sad situation. As a reporter, you have an obligation to tell the outside world of this environment disaster. The government plans to reduce the pollution by cutting down on driving and shutting down factories during the Olympics. But what about post-Olympics. The driving starts, factories open and pollution rises. Beijing residents should not keep quiet. if there was such a pollution here in New York city where i live, people of the city would not stay quiet. They would be out on the street demonstrating, signing petitions and making their voices heard. I wonder if such a demonstration would be considered "state subversion" in which case the demonstrators would be arrested.
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James,your voice could save thousands of
Chinese from pollution related sickness and death,but it could also cost your reporting
from there. Atleast you will leave something good behind for the people to continue.
c.tashi
new york
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In the 40s, 50s and 60s air quality in the UK were just as bad when you still had a manufacturing base but it never stopped UK holding the Olympics.
I am not saying that there isnt a problem with air pollution but bare in mind more recently Beijing held the Asian Games yet pollution did not became such an issue as to lead to a cancellation of events so why is it now? This is just another piece of alarmist reporting by a BBC journalist, no wonder your credibility around the world is taking a knock.
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i just got a picture in my head of the bbc news team hunkered down, spending all day trying to follow the correct, exhaustive scientific methodology in gathering air quality data, and it's giving me a chuckle.
it seems silly to expect journalists to do this sort of thing as part news gathering - but then what's the point of james gathering new data in the first place? beijing's fearsome reputation in this regard is confirmed by the scientific record. the decision has been made for beijing to adopt emergency measures in order to meet the relevant global health authority's standards, and the effects of this will be monitored by the suitable authority.
the BBC present their ad-hoc pollution data for newsmaking, that's all. their methods are hardly exhaustive, but it's hardly like james is exposing any state secrets by pointing out beijing has a pollution problem.
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BeiJing has a population of 18 millions and 3 million cars. The air quality has improved a lot over the last 10 years. A thumb up from me, BeiJing. Keep it up and make all the measures reducing pollution permanent.
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"1. At 11:40am on 15 Jul 2008, Blogpolice wrote:
James, carry on reporting for as long as you can. A Government which supports the Governments of Myanmar, Sudan and Zimbabwe will obviously have their own meter readers and your meter was obviously damaged in transit. I hope you won't be sent back to school for retraining on how to read a meter. "
This is obviously insane. It is making no sense to connect a city's air pollution measures to its country's diplomatic strategys. I simply don't get where is the connection about.
On the other hand, if you do believe there is any connection, to make such an accusing tone, you'd expect your government did all things perfectly right to China.
However, I must remind you there are two things rendering any Briton should be really cautions about the point they are making when talking about China:
1. Your goverment used to export opium to China, when blocked by Chinese government, resorting to war. You call this "free trade"?.
2. Your goverment burnt down the Chinese royal palace in Beijing, taking a great number of royal collection back. How do you like if some Chineses burnt down your Buckingham Palace?
I want to tell you, it is just ridicilous for someone that used to exploit China now talke about what China should do.
James knows the game, he report with the fact he masterted. You don't, you like to comment with the unhealthy imagination you have.
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James,
I’ve just started reading your blog, and I find it interesting, mostly because of the recurring and bitterly defensive comments you get from a certain contingent of your readers (wink wink).
I am in no way an active supporter of any particular media organisation however I say this to those readers - You are in absolutely no position to criticise the BBC for being biased when you come from a country with state controlled media.
The Chinese government didn’t need to be afraid - as the Great Firewall of China is lifted there is in fact no problem of the western media polluting the Chinese mind, but instead an exodus of brainwashed Chinese, unleashed and determined to do their government’s work.
The readers here are clearly intelligent people, so just for 1 second please try and look at your situation objectively. Can’t you see you’ve become exactly what the State wanted you to become? Loyal puppets.
At the end of the day pollution is an issue in Beijing as this was acknowledged by the Chinese Olympic committee who promised to reduce it before the games. They wouldn’t have mentioned it if they themselves didn’t see it as a problem!
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It really doesnt matter whether the test is scientific or not, you only need to look out the window in beijing to know the air quality is horrendous.
Recently there have been a number of days with blue sky so I'm really looking forward to the Olympics, if only for the sunny weather.
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(note to zickyyy and bobchemist: If the air pollution is rampant on the day of the Marathon running, for example, no amount of appeal to the 'annual mean', is going to mean anything. This story, or blog if you will, is about whether the Chinese can reach their goal of clear air in time for the Olympics!)
The point is that a PM-10 level in one place at one time (300 or whatever) is not covered under WHO guidelines as their guidelines specifically stipulate an annual mean. The issue I have with this report is that it is directly comparing Annual mean guidelines with snapshots and saying that they are "bad" when actually it could be fine.
Imagine I was doing a study on global warming much like James Reynolds' study. I take readings of the temperature in the centre of Hyde Park in July for 10 days at midday. I could hypothetically get results as follows:
3rd July : 16 C
4th July : 20 C
5th July : 15 C
6th July : 17 C
7th July : 18 C
8th July : 5 C
9th July : 15 C
10th July: 23 C
11th July: 25 C
12th July: 23 C
(not unreasonable you would think)
According to the met office the average annual temperature for London was 5 - 8.7 C between 1971 and 2000.
Using James Reynolds' logic, London was between 10 and 20 degrees hotter on 9 out of 10 days and only within the average limit for 1 of the days. Conclusion: Global warming is out of control in London. But hang on, what about night time and winter. Never mind that, just look at the figures, I'll even make a graph if you'd like to see how bad it is.
That is how logical James Reynolds' study is and that is why some of the posters here keep banging on about the annual mean.
I'm not saying there isn't a pollution problem in Beijing, I'm just saying you can't keep comparing these results with the WHO guidelines.
(Just a quick note: I'm not suggesting there is less pollution at night or in winter as I have no idea, I'm just demonstrating the flaws in James Reynolds' logic)
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Although James’ test is only a snap short, it does tell us something about the PM10 situation in Beijing, at least around the specific place he is testing and during that specific time period. One does not have to get too scientific to know what the air quality in a certain place is like. A simple visibility test using bare eyes or a smell test (e.g. SO2, NOx, O3 have very pungent smells) use your noes would tell a layman something. Those pictures are more than a thousand words.
Anyway, I hope that “19 days” will be good enough to ensure the air quality suitable for the Olympic Games. A study done by Sino-US collaboration on NOx, which is another type of notorious air pollutant, has shown traffic ban does make observable effects (e.g. a drop by 40%). http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2007/501/2
Similar measures were proved effective for the 1984 Los Angeles Olympics. Back then the US National Ambient Air Quality Standards have not listed PM10 as a criteria pollutant (not till 1987). So, LA’s PM10 concentration (or O3 perhaps) back in 1984 could be as high as Beijing now. But that’s not to make it an excuse for Beijing. People are not well informed about the harm of air quality back then. But, Now we have learnt and know better.
Overall, I think the traffic ban and the hold-off construction should help to reduce the level of a variety of air pollutants. Another point, air pollution in Beijing is not just produced within the city limit, the industries and traffic in the region also have their big shares and small shares. So, hopefully, there are strict controls to improve the air quality in the greater Beijing area.
Last point, hope the measures and priority given in tackling the air pollution will continue after the Olympics. Hope this Olympic will push Beijing and China into a more environmentally conscious state. Imagine if the Chinese government put the same amount of energy used for controlling political dissent on cleaning up the environment…If the US government put the same amount of money in Iraq on cleaning up the environment.
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The color of sky in most of the pictures about China shown on BBC and The New York Times websites is gray, I mean most of them.
I was sent to Beijing earlier this year, stayed for 3 days, 3 blue skys. Not as bad as reported by BBC. I am from New York, I would say the air of Lower Manhattan is no better than that of Beijing sometimes, to be frank.
These journalists surely know how their articles will impact/discourage the people who hoped to go to Beijing originally. Now propably they will cancel their trip due the to Air Problem.
My queston is would fewer People go to beijing makes Europeon feel better?
Europe is Stone Age and you can't imagine how mordern China today has become and how fast it is changing everyday. There are a lot of amazing things taking place nowhere in other places in the world but only in Beijing. China's eco development has left Europe in dust.
If you want to know a real Beijing, the capital of 1.3 b people, you gotta go there to see and feel it by yourself, trust me.
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to post 28,
I love your stereotypes and balatent prejudice, how do you know that everyone who supports china must be chinese? is it because of our poor chinglish?
Also you say that you don't support any media organisation, then you must realise that all media is biased, and no media is free. Whether this is through government manipulation or by the readers who pay for the media (the media has to conform to the views of its readers, no matter how prejudiced, because if the media holds a totally different view point to its readers then they'll just stop buying and the whole company will collapse, to sum it up, everyone wants to hear people agreeing with them). So therefore no media can be unbiased, because both has masters to satisfy, the only difference between the mass chinese media and the mass western 'free' media is that when chinese people are being fed a lie, they know its a lie, when the westerners are being fed a lie, they believe it because they think their media system is so sophisticated. So whilst is china the government may control the press, but in the west the press controlls the government by building up on the prejudices the people already hold.
Also, how do you know that all people supporting china must all be in china? i can say with some certanty that the majority here are chinese students or chinese academics working abroad. Many here like me has had both a chinese education and a british (english) education. So all in all this has nothing do do with the 'great fire wall'. And if i had a nickel for every time i was called brainwashed for being chinese... So why do you presume we are brainwashed? i spent all of my politically active life in the UK, am i brainwashed just because i am chinese? having a different viewpoint does not count as brainwashed. The arguement also comes around, whilst a large number of chinese people love china (quite natural) and they are called brainwashed, why is it that the large number of people hating china in the west are not being called brainwashed? Is it because they agree with you and support the 'free' world? And if you want to make this debate philosophical, who isn't brainwashed? we have all been 'taught' from a very young age to follow the rules and morals of the society that we live in. eg, in britain you may be taught that eating dog is weird but in some parts of china you may be taught that eating dog is the norm. In the UK you maybe taught that individualism and individual gain is more important than group welfare, but the opposite is true in china, where it is considered honourable to put the needs and desires of the group ahead of your own. So all in all, we are all brainwashed, just by different morals and ideals, and of course these morals and ideals directly effect our perceptions of politics.
Yes, most of us here are intelligent academics, but to say we are state puppets is wrong. I speak for myself but i see myself as the servent of a state and of 1.4 billion that goes with it. I don't serve the CCP or the KMT. I serve the state and people. And of course i am not ashamed to say that i am very loyal to my country (its the only place where i actually feel safe).
There is of course a pollution problem in china (there is a pollution problem on earth in general). But i have to say, it will definitly clear up before the olympics start.
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I have noted elsewhere that some commentators believe that James Reynolds can't speak Chinese. Is this actually true, or are they assuming? It doesn't seem to come up on the blog, is it evident on tv news reports? I don't watch them.
Surely the BBC would not send reporters to countries and not provide for, and demand, language aquisition?
How can I find out this?
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I'm from Malaysia, and we get hit annually by a cloud of smoke from land clearing and oil palm plantations in Indonesia known as "the haze", which contains pretty high levels of particulates. It causes health problems for some sensitive people, e.g. asthmatics, and occasionally cuts down visibility quite severely.
While in university in 2002, I visited Beijing for a week during the summer. The smog was FAR worse than our haze. We visited a park with a hill that would have given a beautiful view of the city if it hadn't been blocked by smog. One of my American classmates complained that when she blew her nose, the snot came out grey. It's hard to see how this could be a good environment for athletes who have to respire a lot.
By the way, I'm also Chinese by ethnicity if that matters to anyone. Not that most Malaysian Chinese are all that sympathetic to "PRCs" since our ancestors left the motherland in the first place.
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What was pollution like in the mid 19th century industrial britain ?
I am sure britain cared for the world back then as they do now.
Horses for courses, this article.
Is is true that Mr Reynolds cannot speak Chinese, and if he does when he start and for how long ?
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James Reynold did some study in French and German. Nothing in journalism(at a university)and nothing in Chinese. He might be trying to learn some Chinese words now since he is now in China.
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To #28. You really make all the Chinese second class human. Just because we come from a country where there is a state controled media then we are not qualified to criticised BBC? Can we talk about politics at all then since we come from a non-democratic country? Is this some kind of discrimination or racism you think? You are brainwashed to the point that you think that all the Chinese are brainwashed.
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Blogpolice, you may complain as much as as wish on other governments but don't forget that "charity" should start at home. How about your own government that invade Iraq on fabricated ground of WMD?
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James,
Britain is one of the largest foreign investors and therefore also a contributor to pollution in China. As a sense of your British "fair" play, are you going to carry out similar investigation on those British factories operating in China to ensure that they comply with the minimal standard of the environmental controls? Or are you guys more interested in making good monies at the expense of the Chinese people?
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I am a Malaysian (or Malayan) who spent 10 years in UK during which I graduated with a Chartered qualification and worked in a London professional firm. I also spent the last 10 years representing Western multi-nationals in their China joint ventures. I am very fortunate to be multi-lingual and consider myself reasonably well read through easy access to books and literature of different languages from libraries in different countries, Britain included.
I am very sad to find many people in the West (many of whom have never even set a foot out of the British shores) who are so well-spun by their own media that they thought everyone else with views different from theirs are the brainwashed lot dispatched by the State. Yet they consider themselves as being democratic.
Is there pollution in China? Of course there is, in fact very serious and, sadly, it is the ordinary Chinese who are paying the biggest price.
Didn't the West want China to "open up"to the West so that you can flock to China in droves in pursuit of cheap Chinese labour, cheap Chinese products and huge Chinese market? Having polluted the Mother Earth since the Industrial Revolution, the West is now contributing to China's pollution and yet the Western media, for reason best known to themselves, always single out China as if it is the only culprit.
London is organizing the next Olympic! Is London "clean and green"? Go travel in London and then blow your nose!
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Hi James
Please come back to London to report some evironmental issu about our London, film Tottenham, Hackney, Dalston, Soho... I could help you to do so, we will film the street and then our schools, the people living condition is worse then the third world country, or if you do not have time, please contact BBC, and I will lead them to filming it...
We have so many evironmental here in London, your and my country, we should worry about our owm problems...
I have been to China, and use my own eye to seen that country is much cleanner then us....
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Dear James:
I have question about if PM 10 is the best measurement for air pollution.
When I click through BBC's testing date with picture, July 17 had lowest reading(PM10: 12) but after Beijing stop its half of the traffic and other pollutions(beginning at July 20), the PM 10 reach 278 on Aug. 10th(more than 10 times worse)?
To me it seems PM10 mostly related to weather(sunny day or raining day), not the pollution. How do you explain in the same spot in Beijing, PM10 jump or drop over 100 point in one day? Check those pictures, bad weather, bad PM10.
Thanks BBC who offer these picture s and measurements.
Let's figering out how can Beijing cut down its pollution with a better indicator than PM 10.
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James, I admire your talent.
Your pollution reading is as accurate as I claim your height is shorter than my 100-year grandmother measuring by a length meter with a 20% error margin.
By the way, check this WHO website http://whqlibdoc.who.int/hq/2006/WHO_SDE_PHE_OEH_06.02_eng.pdf regarding the PM10 guideline. It specifies the PM10 guideline is 50 um/m3 24 hour average. You are realy smart to pick the worst timing for the particulate reading in the early afternoon. I am wondering what is the reading right after your wakeup.
Keep on going. It's fun.
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pollution is a problem in big cities because of too many vehicles and other reasons...
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James, please do not let those comments from those extreme patriotic Chinese affect you.
I believe criticism makes improvement.
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