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Betsan Powys | 14:07 UK time, Wednesday, 4 November 2009

question_mark15_203x152.jpgSo come then, which one of you is responsible for this - the Government of Wales channel on You Tube?

I ask, only because my colleague Vaughan Roderick and I mentioned it yesterday and then the real Government of Wales (aka the Welsh Assembly Government) spotted it and ... wondered what on earth it was.

It is not their work. It is not their channel. It it not their attempt to engage with the You Tube generation after all.

It says it's "brought to you by the Welsh Assembly Government".

Not, it ain't, they say.

It was updated yesterday. It doesn't look like the kind of site that was knocked up in two hours by a bored teenager, nor is it a knocking job. It's pretty favourable to the government in fact.

So go on - who are you?

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  • 1. At 3:12pm on 04 Nov 2009, Dennis Junior wrote:

    Betsan:

    Welcome back!

    I know it was not me...But, it would be nice to figure
    out this mystery; Thanks, to Vaughan Roderick and yourself for
    offering this mystery!

    =Dennis Junior=

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  • 2. At 10:30am on 05 Nov 2009, Lyn_Thomas wrote:

    Very interesting...

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  • 3. At 10:58am on 05 Nov 2009, thegnatswatter wrote:

    I think the clue was in 'When Plaid Cymru and Labour formed a coalition
    government after 2007' only nationalist would put themselves first when
    in fact they're only the junior partner.

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  • 4. At 11:18am on 05 Nov 2009, penddu wrote:

    4 I am sure that it was done alphabetically - (G)Nationalist coming before Socialist........

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  • 5. At 12:38pm on 05 Nov 2009, thegnatswatter wrote:

    4 (P)laid before (L)abour?

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  • 6. At 1:50pm on 05 Nov 2009, Fitzmark2 wrote:

    I wouldn't be at all surprised if the culprits for the undeserved triumphalism on show in the video were of the same mind set as the organisers of the anti–fascist demonstration in Newport.

    Following the bad publicity the Welsh Nats got from being associated with the Welsh Defence League (neo fasicists)in Swansea the organisers of the anti-fascist demonstration in Newport were determined not to confuse the public again. They handed out Welsh flags to children and placards to adults bearing the inscription: "Newport says no to the EDL."

    As every good spin doctor knows (and Welsh Nationalists are masters of the Machiavellian art) a little social engineering everyday goes a long way.

    But I suppose the video does keep in the public's mind the shameful change to a constitution that was pushed through on the undemocratic, so called winning margin of 0.6%.

    Well I ask you… Is it any wonder that Wales is seen as the most undemocratic region in Britain?

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  • 7. At 3:05pm on 05 Nov 2009, penddu wrote:

    6 What bad publicity????

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  • 8. At 4:09pm on 05 Nov 2009, Fitzmark2 wrote:

    Well it was plainly obvious from some of the comments at the demo that the organisers (and going by their accents they weren’t from the locality) were making a determined effort to make plain to the crowd that they were Welsh and the neo-fascist were English.

    The local paper referred to them as WDL, as did the local MP, the Druid Paul Flynn. Why were the organisers handing out Welsh flags to children? And why did the placards bear the inscription, "Newport says no to the EDL?"

    Or have you got another explanation?

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  • 9. At 4:11pm on 05 Nov 2009, Fitzmark2 wrote:

    The finger marks of undemocratic nationalists are all over the video.

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  • 10. At 4:43pm on 05 Nov 2009, WelshKnot wrote:

    I agree Number Six. How can 0.6% of a population living in one part of England be allowed to force constitutional change upon all the other people. There has been no such place as Wales since 1543 (and 1536 for that matter) and the only way it could ever be allowed to exist in any shape or form would be for a referrendum where 80% of English people allow it to happen. Surely it should be against the law to be a NAT since it is by definition an act of Treason.

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  • 11. At 5:47pm on 05 Nov 2009, Lyn_Thomas wrote:

    Fitzmark2 I have seen no one, other than yourself, trying to associate Welsh Nationionalists with the WDL.

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  • 12. At 7:56pm on 05 Nov 2009, Fitzmark2 wrote:

    I might be on my own on this blog but I assure that the comments I heard at the demonstration concurred with my feelings when I saw the placards and the officials handing out Welsh flags to children at that demonstration.

    If you have a look at some of the blogs which proliferate around the True Wales web site there is such a strong whiff of nationalism there that can only be described as extreme (anti-English, anti-Westminster, anti anyone who opposes their nationalistic agenda).

    That and the questionable metamorphosis of WDL into EDL at Newport is why I think there was a deliberate attempt to associate the fascists with the English.

    Why else do you think it was necessary to change the name from WDL to EDL? And why did the Argus and the MP Paul Flynn refer to the neo fascists as WDL?

    Just a thought and the reason why won't keep me awake at night. There are more pressing worries regarding the silly renaming of St James Park!!!

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  • 13. At 9:04pm on 05 Nov 2009, Lyn_Thomas wrote:

    There is no connection between Plaid Cymru and the WDL - the WDL seems a shadowy organisation that is essentially the EDL with a few from Wales as window dressing, undoubtedly both organisation (WDL and EDL) are the home to many fascists - certainly the impression from people who went to the counter demo in Swansea was that the few that turned up there were mostly from England, now exposing some fascists as coming from England is not anti English. I have seen no anti English blogs run by mainstream Welsh Nationalists, certainly not by any associated with Plaid.

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  • 14. At 08:29am on 06 Nov 2009, penddu wrote:

    The orginal marches in Swansea and Newoport were clearly organised by the English Democratic Leauge (EDL) as part of their ongoing campaign in England. That they tried to rebrand themselves as the WDL for these two marches has absolutely nothing to do with any Welsh nationalist organisation - Plaid or otherwise. And noone apart from yourself has suggested otherwise.

    The simple fact is that the majority of the EDL/WDL demonstrators were bussed in from England from the day. The counterdemonstrators were overwhelmingly locals and the Welsh flags were a simple, effective and peaceful way of saying 'Not in our name'.

    There was nothing sinister - no bad publicity for Welsh nationalism - and I doubt if the EDL/WDL considered their marches a success.

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  • 15. At 08:34am on 06 Nov 2009, penddu wrote:

    10 Wales was not 'abolished' by the acts of union 1536/1542 - but was effectively abolished by the Wales and Berwick act of 1762 (need to to check date).

    But guess waht - we are still here!!!!!

    The Wales and Berwick Act was repealed in 1966, which is why subsequent laws refer to 'England and Wales' and not simply England.

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  • 16. At 10:35am on 06 Nov 2009, WelshKnot wrote:

    15

    I agree, we are still here and Returnee is back.

    ‘WelshKnot’ was a dark figment of my imagination. After an upgrade I could not get back on the system as ‘Returnee’ and decided to try for an evening to get into the mindset of those who appear to abhor everything to do with Wales.


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  • 17. At 4:52pm on 06 Nov 2009, Fitzmark2 wrote:

    The explanations given in M13 and M14 really must take the biscuit for spin. So we are to believe that the fascists in Swansea and Newport, apart from one or two, were English masquerading as Welsh; and that the handing out of Welsh flags to children was just a "simple, effective and peaceful way of saying not in my name”, and had nothing to do with social engineering.

    Well I'll go to the foot of our stairs. I never would have guessed it.

    And I think your assertion regarding the Welsh flags, Penddu is called a non sequitur.

    I've taken part in demonstrations against neo fascists for nigh on thirty years and saw them not as anything else other than fascists; they need no other qualification.

    As I've said before Welsh nationalists are masters of the art of spin.

    And would you both please write to the editor of the Argus and to the MP Paul Flynn and disabuse them of the notion that the fascists were Welsh.

    M16

    What not… oh I’m sorry, Welshknot (I’ve recently put together an Ikea flat pack and the name sort of stuck) there was no need to give such a graphic and public description of your character and deceptive nature.

    Don’t be shy, just state as it is. If you “abhor all things Welsh” just stand up tall and state it as you see it.

    “…This above all to thine own self be true, and it must follow as the night the day, thou canst not then be false to any man.” It’s a good piece of Shakespearean advice for you to follow oh self deceiving man.

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