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Lib Dems Going, going ... gone?

Betsan Powys | 17:59 UK time, Monday, 15 October 2007

We've been told to expect an announcement about Ming Cambpell's future within the next half an hour.

To lose one leader is a misfortune.

To lose two looks like carelessness.

To lose three ... looks like the Lib Dems are in real trouble?

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  • 1.
  • At 06:40 PM on 15 Oct 2007,
  • Arfon Jones wrote:

Rarely am I lost for words...but watching the news tonight leaves me gobsmacked, I've never seen a party in such turmoil.

  • 2.
  • At 07:28 PM on 15 Oct 2007,
  • Mike Powell wrote:

They are not lost just gone! Not a problem anyway as we will get three more.

To lose enemy action ?

  • 4.
  • At 11:03 PM on 15 Oct 2007,
  • Helen wrote:

Continuing on my previous point, now that the 'Ming Dynasty' is over, Charles Kennedy could well be in a position to reinstate himself - OK, he apparently made a fool of himself, but then sorted his problem (which was possibly only a problem by today's standards - let's not forget other politicians in the past who might have had more drunken episodes than Kennedy, but whose behaviour wouldn't have been considered to be problematic according to the standards which prevailed at the time). Kennedy at his best has always seemed a popular politician with his heart in the right place. Were he to stand for the leadership again, he might well reverse the ailing fortunes of the Lib-Dems and dent the apparent gains made by the Tories. Time will tell.

  • 5.
  • At 11:40 PM on 15 Oct 2007,
  • Vern wrote:

Arfon, you must be very new to Welsh politics sir!

  • 6.
  • At 12:00 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • Valleys' View wrote:

No Betsan, the Lib Dems won't be gone. They'll be around for a long time yet and I for one am glad as they seem to be the only alternative to the cosy Labour / Plaid pact we have here.

  • 7.
  • At 03:27 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • Ogden wrote:


Were you thinking of the Yes, Prime Minister episode "Official Secrets" when you penned this? I believe it is the one where Sir Humphrey tells Hacker the very line you wrote ...

"Quite, Prime Minister, to lose one cabinet colleague may be regarded as a misfortune, but to lose two may be regarded as carelessness." Naturally, Bernard laughs at his boss's droll witticism.

The episode's plot might not be immediately relevant, but it does sometimes surprise me how interesting it is to watch those old programmes in the light of modern politics and not just the Thatcher years.

  • 8.
  • At 05:09 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • Arfon Jones wrote:

Vern - New to politics or not, how often do we see such a fiasco? Incidentally, living in N.E.Wales, where we get our political information from the Daily Post (heaven help us!!)this perhaps explains my apparent lack of knowledge, which is why I follow Betsan & Vaughan's blogs!

  • 9.
  • At 11:53 PM on 16 Oct 2007,
  • Huw wrote:

It does seem as though open civil war is breaking out in the Welsh Lib Dems. The true extent of the splits and horsetrading have been laid open for all to see thanks to Mike Powell (the Lib Dem candidate for Pontypridd) who has posted on a public Lib Dem message board:

"we now have WLD AMs threatening to “make the group unworkable” if anyone were to stand against the current incumbent and mastermind behind those elections!"

For the full text see

We all remember the problems Plaid faced a few years ago; it caused them to fall from 17AMs to 12 and from 4MPs to 3. The Lib Dems only have 6 AMs to start with how low can they go?

  • 10.
  • At 09:57 AM on 17 Oct 2007,
  • Elwyn Jones wrote:

Hello Betsan,

Here's a cause you can take up!
I'm a UK citizen, formerly of Swansea, resident in The Netherlands. I wanted to vote in the Assembly Elections this year, but, alas, it is not allowed, even though I will be able to use my postal in a general UK election. Yet Poles and other Europeans can vote for the London Mayor. This is preposterous!
You should campaign for a change in the electoral law governing assembly elctions.

I have never written a blog before, and I'm not sure if what I have to ask is relevant to any present discussion. However, I find myself increasingly aggrieved that there is no direct representation of Wales, through Y Ddraig Goch, on the Union Flag. Wales, as a consequence of its assimilation into England in the sixteenth century, has to make do with the cross of St George. With the establishment of Cardiff as its capital, the Red Dragon as its flag, the work being done to preserve its language, and the creation of the Senedd, Wales appears to have developed a new national consciousness in the last half century. But it is still present only by its absence on the UK flag. Has there been a movement to get the Red Dragon incorporated into the Union Flag, and I have missed it? Or is there one in progress, in which case I should to learn more? Or is it, in truth, the case that the Welsh mindset is so indissolubly wedded to England that no-one actually cares?

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