From the fringe
Whispered messages from the fringe meeting to discuss the way forward in Wales ...
Labour's performance in the Assembly Election was nothing short of disastrous.
It's time for a new Welsh Labour.
It's time for a more centrist approach.
I'ts time to say bye-bye to 'clear red water'.
Do you sense they're already thinking, if not saying, bye bye to the man who coined the phrase?
Lord Kinnock's contribution at another fringe meeting is even blunter. Unlike Gordon Brown he's referred to the Conservatives ... unfortunately, as 'bastards'. He was seen earlier wiping a tear from his eye after the PM's speech. Can he argue he's tired and emotional?