What did you think of the show? (05/02/09)
Friend of The One Show, Mr Frank Skinner, joined us in the studio.
Cheltenham Borough Council is suing its former MD Christine Laird after claiming she withheld medical details on her job application. Iain Lee asked is lying on your CV ever acceptable? Share your views.
Lucy Siegle looked into a relatively new mobile phone contract available across all of the major phone networks; The Sim Only package.
The snow keeps on coming and thank-you for all your snow-based pictures, we've had over 2,000 now. You can see them all here.
The One Show's Mike Dilger went kayaking just off the Pembrokeshire cost, near Ramsey Island, where grey seal pups are born every year. He also had tips for caring for wild birds during the winter months. Visit the RSPB site for more.
Marty Jopson looked at re-using the tonnes of rubbish we throw away to make ethanol to fuel our cars. Share your views.
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Totally agree with the BBC action re Carol Thatcher. In her position C.T. should have known better. But what's even worse is her refusal to make an unambigous and unequivocal apology.
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My favourite show - but as a protest at BBC's treatment of Carol Thatcher I shall turn it off for a week! Of course she was silly - but the damage was done by the publicity that followed. Jonathon Ross must be sniggering!
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love the show especially adrian chiles. if i find that he was the snitch concerning carol thatchers inoffensive comment i will never watch it again.
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Regarding the Carol Thatcher debacle this really is a mountain out of a mole hill.
Your associate on the news programme has tried to inflame the situation in favour of the BBC by saying that a golliwog is a grotesque black animation according to the dictionary.
Well MY Oxford dictionary describes it as a soft black faced doll with curly hair, a somewhat different description.
Also I am sure that before the politically correct left lunies got involved a golliwog was a favourite cuddly toy carried under the arm of millions of children and an object of love and affection. There was no question of it being racially abusing and defamatory.
Whoever complained about the remark must have had another agenda and out to embarrass C.T. and it is up to the BBC to find the truth and take the appropriate measures against the nark
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I hope that this area is being viewed as a "Complaints" spot. Just a couple of points.
1. When are those people/children who snitched on Carol Thatcher going to be asked to apologise to her? After all, what is said in the Green Room should stay in the Green Room.
2. At least somebody in the BBC must have a sense of humour because I thought the photo of lawyer made him look like an albino golliwog. (I can say that, can't I?!)
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Carol Thatcher's remarks are totally harmless unless you are a self-righteous, politically-correct, illiberal fascist. I will never watch the One show again. The BBC are fascists who are completely against free speech - unless they agree with what is being said. People of Carol's age had golliwogs as children and do not associate the word with race.
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I think this is a cheap ploy to make the BBC look as if they have a zero tolerence to any unacceptable behaviour. I feel sorry for Carol Thatcher and they way in which they have used her. Surely her comments were off the record and unfortunately for her she thought were make in an environment where she could speak her mind. I grew up playing with a "golliwog" doll and also had a "chocolate" doll but that does not make me a racist person.
Will we all have to look over our shoulder now wondering if the term "ginge" or "taff" is acceptable. What a joke society our poor children are growing up in.
From a "chalky" person!
Clare, Hereford
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Hey PC brigade... wake up to reality !
OK, so Carol Thatcher's comments caused offence but whatever happened to Freedom of Speech? isn't that what we have fought for?
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So the BBC think they are justified in sacking CT because she offended some nameless person and didn't apologise. Will Sir David Frost now be asked to apologise to offended Roman Catholics following his joking references on last nights show? The BBC has over reacted (a quite word with CT would have done) and harmed race relations. Who was the snitch; why haven't they got the guts to come forward?
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Having now seen a picture of the tennis player concerned, who didn’t have wild fuzzy hair, Miss Thatcher was undoubtedly bringing to the attention of those around that he was “not one of us”, take off the golly and the last part of the ame was what she intended to say. And it’s what we would expect from a Tory talking among other Tories – but she forgot where she was. Well done for sacking her
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We need more people like Carol Thatcher - get rid of your Director of BBC1 and give her the job
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Booooooo! What a surprise! another Labour party activist on the show (Skinner). And now that you've purged Carol for being a Thatcher and conservative you can get back to being the Bias Broadcasting Corporation and allow people like Jo Brand, while representing Comic Relief, to make political partisan statements.
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This show is becoming more like blue peter every day! Most of the recorded stuff is shot in the middle of summer!! The guest hardly have time to speak. The forced laughter this evening is obviously accounted for.
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I can't belive that frank skinner can say it's okay to steal from companies live on tv - as the owner of a small business in tough economic environment I would be hurt horrified and angry I someone stole from me. It should not be encouraged - why is it okay to
Make flippant comments promoting stealing but CT get hammered for something she said when away from the camera. I am outraged and offended.
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Soooo good to see Carol T is still a member of the One Show Family and is proudly retaining her place in the Family Photo. But can we ditch the 'nine year old' interviewer now?
Do hope so!
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Carol Thatcher's remarks were totally harmless unless you are a self-righteous, politically-correct, illiberal fascist.
Adrian Chiles has gone right down in my estimation - I always thought he was a bit egotistical and childish.
The BBC are clearly completely against free speech - unless they agree with what is being said. People of mine and Carol's age had golliwogs as children and certainly don't associate the word with race.
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Frank! Go back to your dentist and get that crown re-done - It can be difficult to get a good match first time but that does not look right!
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What a complete over reaction by the BBC. I thoroughly enjoyed watching Carol Thatcher's enthusiam and unigue style of delivery on the One Show. Now I just feel angry at the namby pambies running the show who are over sensitive for all the wrong reasons. This is clearly a conspiracy to get rid of Carol. Who do you think your kidding, you must think your viewers are a bunch of idiots? We know the BBC is not always politically correct or truly care's about people's feelings otherwise they would have got rid of Jonathan Ross who was much more offensive, insulting and over paid! Oh and by the way, for what it's worth my husband and I no longer watch the show out of principle.
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Have never watched the show before and really only tuned in to support the show on it's decision re CT What a surprise to see a piece on my sport of sea kayaking... apart from the fact that the reporter hadn't been taught to paddle properly I was really pleased to see sea kayaking on the show. You should see some of the film work by Justine Curgemven (may be wrong spelling) of cackle tv. She has done some amazing kayaking expeditions including 600 km of the russian coast and a trip around tasmania in 50 metre swells. I took up kayaking very late in life and am as fit now as I was as a kid. Will watch the show from now on.
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Petty, despicable and untrustworthy. Fancy telling tales of a colleague after a drink after work!
I used to watch this every night. Not any more, I can't stand to look at you, now!
[one of the many]
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name the person who reported to the papers about a private comment in the green room. i do not have to say no more but i find it offensive that that they can witch hunt like the american Macarthy era.
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What a soory and pathetic way to treat Carol Thatcher. If the reports I have read are correct the BBC needs to think very carefully about the image that it is presenting to the Great British Public. If the BBC is going to sack someone for allegedly using a "word" relating to Jam Jars. And a comment made in private in the Green Room. Then how do they square that up with the disciplinary action taken against the lewd and offensive comments made by Jonathan Ross, which have divided a family.
Jonathan Ross is suspended after taking 5 days to react. Carol Thatcher is sacked.
Does it add up? I will leave you too think about that one.
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Skinners comment re stealing from companies was obviously tongue in cheek but lets face it theft from companies costs a lot of money but it is amusing. As a child growing up near Troon in Scotland it was easy to spot the colour of any new ship being built at the local shipyard. If blue sheds and fences started to pop up the latest ship was blue and when one ship which had tons of teak wall covering supposedly on board awas being built a host of teak living rooms turned up in the town. Costly but funny.... I even admit that occasionally I take a pen home from work.... thank goodness I own the company.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1136016/How-golliwog-went-innocent-childrens-hero-symbol-bitter-controversy.html
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the comment might've been off-air but it was still public, in the studio surrounded by other members of staff. hardly private. private would've been at home with loved ones.
she was, in summary still at work.
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I have registered for this site purely to express my dismay at the farce surrounding the gollywog saga !!
What is wrong with these people and that smug young woman on the news whose name escapes me where was she when Ross & Brand were being truly offensive.
It would also appear that it must have been Chiles or Jo Brand (she can talk since she claims her remark( not private) about the BNP was a joke)
As for Adrian Chiles next time I read some trash in the papers about him I guess I'll just believe it !!
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YODABLOG
thank you, might enlighten some.
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It's so good to read that most of the comments posted regarding Carole Thatcher think the whole episode is ridiculous. What has happened to our country?
We seem to have got ourselves into such a politically correct muddle (well done, BBC). We have become so intolerant BUT only regarding certain sectors of society. It's still okay to take the mickey out of the Irish, redheads (ginger tops) and those who are regarded as 'accentless' as I have noticed Adrian has shown before on this programme.
What Adrian doesn't say when talking to the guests, can be analysed by his body language. Ask any psychologist.
Won't be watching the programme again, unless Carole is given an apology and reinstated.
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Just watched The One Show for the first time since it started. Still as bad as ever but I stuck it out through the awful Frank Skinner just to see if the Carol Thatcher nonsense would be discussed. But no the BBC in true Stalinist mode just ignores the subject. And then we have a pompous spokesperson stating that a large proportion of the population found the comments about a gooliwog deeply offensive. Really? On all the message boards 95 per cent oppose the BBC decision. I find Jo Brand offensive. Would the BBC care to sack her? PLEASE!
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Please don't get rid of Carol Thatcher from the One Show. She's always bright, cheerful and an intelligent speaker. She hasn't offended anyone. As for Adrian Chiles and Jo Brand - a couple of snitches! I shan't be watching them again.
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Lovely to see Adrian in a jacket such a compliment to Christine who always looks so lovely.
I must comment on the table to me it looks
like a animal carcass and makes my cringe every time the camera catches it.
I just love your show and feek like I know you both .
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We cannot believe the BBC One show have sacked Carol Thatcher..I for one grew up with Gollywogs on jam jars and do not find them offensive in any way.We do believe that Jo Brand was rude to Carol on the show and has joined in to oust Carol.
Adrian Chiles should be ahsamed of himself!!
We loved the One show; however we have now decided not to continue watching the show in our home.
Those people in the Green room should be ashamed of themselves...those with glass windows!!!!
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Will the show do anything about Frank Skinner advocating cheating your employer, or he and Christine making sexist comments about Mel B's legs?
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In common with many others, I am fed up with the manner in which the BBC seems to be trying to stay ahead of the PC brigade and invent ever more words or phrases which are considered worthy of the death penalty. The Carol Thatcher fiasco should never have been allowed to happen and the piously righteous manner adopted by the BBC is more than can be stomached. She should never have been censured for using a word that most reasonable people see as an innocent doll or badge. Look for a problem and you are sure to find one. We can presumably see alll sorts of adeptations of normal language to protect those who dont even see a problem. I dispair and given my inability to gain any real access to the BBC I will protest in the only manner open to me; our house will no longer watch the show, please reduce your viewing figures by two.
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now that's petty.
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I hope Frank Skinner is going to be banned from appearing on BBC tv from now on as he clearly thinks it is ok to defraud potential employers as to the validity of cvs that contain lies. Carol Thatcher has been treated shamefully - shame on you BBC.
When will you understand you have seriously offended the viewing public who pay your licence fee? This will not go away. You cannot condone people knowingly defrauding potential employers (and laughing about it as if it's a good thing to do) whilst sacking Carol for a private remark. The tennis player referred to was not even in the room! I wonder what he thinks of all this fuss?
Adrian Chiles and Christine Bleakley looked really bleak tonight: get rid of them both. They were obviously subdued - and quite right too: over 2000 people have complained about Carol's treatment. WAKE UP BBC. You are answerable to the viewing public - the licence-fee payers. We were'nt offended by the comment relating to a cuddly toy. Get a sense of proportion.
And apologise and reinstate Carol.
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Just how much of our licence money is spent on entertaining all these people in the Green Room - so-called celebs, journalists, crew, management, and visitors - five nights a week? And that's only one show!
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Oh yes: I believe the comments in the show relating to Mel B's legs is chauvenistic and sexist. I am greatly offended by this (I don't have long legs so feel slighted by this disgraceful comment).
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I have been one of the many to register simply to post on this matter. I do not think much of Carol Thatcher's presenting skills, I found her trivial and irritating. However her treatment by the BBC is very unpleasant. Clearly someone was out to get her and they did in a very underhand and cowardly manner. It makes the One Show unwatchable. The BBC1 controller on Today this morning did a very bad job.
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The treatment of carol thatcher is not fair, we cant have gollywogs, we cant have the nursery rhyme barr barr black sheep, just whose country is this, if people dont like it I can reccomend a nice port, its called dover
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I too have registered for this blog purely to complain about the treatment of Carol Thatcher.
We made a point of switching channels at 7.00pm and will not watch The One Show again.
What a waste of money the licence fee is.
Did you see the BBC Controller, Jay Hunt this morning?..... She clearly lives in cloud cuckoo land.......and they say Bankers are overpaid for wasting other peoples money!
Get into the real world you bunch of bigoted left wingers.
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Frank Skinner is unfunny and embarrassing.
He needs to take a long look at himself in the mirror.
A slob comes to mind.
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7:36pm on 05 Feb 2009, YODABLOG : thanks for the link. Very interesting - so Golliwogg was a made up name for a character in a children's book. A character who was brave, and noble and an all round good guy. What's wrong with that then?
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You see BBC this is not going to go away this is the third night that everyone has felt compelled to write on the blog about the unfair treatment of the witty iteelegent carol.
I wrote for the first time on the 3rd and have to say this is the first time i have ever written on a blog or complained ( bogs from 3rd removed i wonder why!).
I have also put my name to the petition that is now running ( address 266 on 4/2/09 blog).
I really hope Carol now goes to ITV who seem nowadays to be less mamby pamby! They at least only cheat people out of phone in monies.
I also have stopped watching the one show i even put up with the couple of pupets that seem to busy flirting to watch as the other parts can be ok.
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Any chance you can change the theme tune, its horrendous, Get David Williams to write one da do do do.
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I think that Carol Thatchers comments were unnaceptable and the BBC are correct in not allowing her to report on the show.
The much malinged PC is about not intentionally offending people in a way in which they are offended its about basic rules of politemess and repsent. We can all think of words that we might find offensive if they were associated with us or our loved ones especially if they were based on age, sex, disability etc. Gollywog is offensive to many black people becasue it was used extensivly in the past as a term of abuse. Its use in relation to a persons colour has nothing to do with the image used on the jam jar or its intended use for that purp[pose but haw it was taken by racists and used to offend others. I respect the wishes of minority communities and do not used words that they find offensive. Thats respect and if its PC too thats fine by me.
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It is time the BBC got its act together following the unfair treatment of Carol Thatcher after her comments in the green room .I can't belive that such a comment could cause such offence to the people present at the time . There seems to be some double standards within the organisation when Jonathan Ross can keep his job following his conduct over many years,it must be time for me to turn the BBC off!
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I am absolutely disgusted that Carol Thatcher has been sacked from the One Show following her comment about
golly wogs. The whole world has gone mad. We all had golly wogs when we were kids and it is stupid to think that they have anything to do with racism. Everyone these days is far too sensitive. If Carol is sacked then Jonathan Ross should not be allowed to work for the BBC either. His actions were far far worse.
I intend to boycott The One Show.
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Surely by now we all know that the BBC is not on our side.
The Government is not on our side.
The side I am talking about consists of the people who pay their taxes, national insurance and also the BBC licence fee. This side also have standards far and away above the standards of the BBC.
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Your official statement about the "remark" made by Carol Thatcher states " (the)remark made by Carol Thatcher in The One Show Green Room last Thursday caused considerable offence. There are several interesting issues here. To whom was the remark made? And were they offended? What exactly was the remark? What was the context? In what manner was the comment made? And here is the important issue. We do not know what was said or who complained. Remind you of anything?It reminds me of the secret denouciation so favoured of totalitarian regimes. If the comment had been made in a broadcast we would have a record of what was said. But here we don't have that. Nor do we have anybody, as far as I have seen, go on record to give a verbatim report. A major over reaction on the part of the BBC and one cannot but conclude that there was another agenda behind the reaction if only to make an example.
Thankfully I have never been a "The One Show" viewer and for sure this is one show I will continue to avoid.
A postscript - oh if only we could have a vote on the licence fee!
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After having done a search for the players in the Australian Open, I believe I might have found the man of the 'gollywog' comment who had damaged his wrist on 26 January and had to retire from the tournament. Well, he is French as well as being black and having a wild kind of hair and, at first glance, if you don't speak the language well his name is not easy to say (Gael Monfils) so how are you going to describe the player you are trying to talk about?? What is certain, next year at Wimbledon, if he plays there, we will recognize him and perhaps all this 'hooha' will enhance his career!
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It was a very stupid remark to make especially coming fron Carol Thatcher!!!Why is people blaming Adrian ?think you have to know the facts before blaming people!!All Carol had to do was say sorry and she did not !!We love The One Show and will continue to watch !!with or without Thatcher!!!As presenters we love Christine and Adrian and the show is brilliant ,shame this had to happen .
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Carol's comment has been blown out of proportion, she didn't deserve to be sacked for it, I like her she's like a breath of fresh air. I my self couldn't call any one a golliwog, I know it was a child's cuddly toy at one time, but it was a caricature of people who came from Africa, and to my mind was in bad taste, yes I know we Brits like to make fun of each other, namely the jokes about the Irish, the Scots, and Geordie's being old fashioned and a bit slow, I'm sorry but a think being called a Golliwog is much worse, I'm sure to be shot down in flames, can any one who has brown skin please give us their opinion, or are they not interested. Once again I say it was not a sack-able offense, others have got away with much worse.
Vi. Northumberland. ( an old fashioned slow Geordie )
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As I watched the show last Thursday, I commented on the body language of Jo Brand towards Carol Thatcher to my husband. It was clear that the comedienne did not want to be sat next to the ex-tory prime minister's daughter ( I like them both, but politics always shows through). Now I hear Jo has been part of a fit-up of Carol, how else can it be described?
Carol was silly and naive and not PC with her comment (as have many other bigger public figures recently) HOWEVER she does not deserve this treatment. She has brought a lot to The One Show, and actually I believe SHE is owed an apology for the on-air snub (watched by just a few more than were in the Green Room!) based on not race, but the politics of her parent! I fail to see one is worse than the other. My family and I will definitely no longer be watching theshow, and good luck Carol.
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Ladymindtwister made an interesting comment: is there anyone of coloured skin on here who would be offended if the remark about their hair was related to a child's toy?
Someone else made a remark about the two of them sitting rubbing shoulders together on the couch tonight - I noticed that. I think they must be feeling the heat.
Athlondon wrote about the BBC response relating to "considerable offence" being caused. I believe there were around 12 people in the Green Room at the time who were "considerably offended" - that response is highly offensive to over 2000 + people . Over 2000 people have complained about the BBC's pompous stance on this subject. WE are considerably offenced: so what are you going to do about it?
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The full OED (2nd ed 1989) of gollywog is worth noting:
A name invented for a black-faced grotesquely dressed (male) doll with a shock of fuzzy hair. Also shortened golly, Golly.
If you look up a word such as C***k you'll find it has (Derogatory.) after it, which is missing fron the definition of gollywog. Words change over time and AC should realise that different generations have different takes on how insulting a word is - but then ageism is much lower in the hierachy of cardinal sins, and youth is always assured of its own political correctness.
BBC's management (an oxymoron) has been appalling its handling of this - it's clear that to them as Humpty Dumpty said to Alice, “When I use a word, it means just what I (the BBC) choose it to mean – neither more nor less”.
Still it was nice to note that David Frost got a joke denigerating Catholics (which AC has recently become) and stereotyping blacks. Will he be banned from the BBC as well? Will
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I think Chiles should be re-named chicken,and the whole affair be discussed on air, if the BBC has the bottle, I applaud the blog the show be re-named the Adrian sneak, and Christine snitch show. I for one will not be watching again. Carol Thatcher has my full support, she is competent, capable, and speaks the truth, qualities sadly lacking in today's society, especilly in the higher eschelons of the BBC (Jay Hunt) Carol Thatcher should be re-instated, and Jonathan Ross be sacked together with his millions in salary, why should the licence payer fund this foul-mouthed over-paid presenter, and give him a three month holiday????? PC has gone to far in this country, when a nurse is suspended for saying a prayer!!! you cannot wear a cross!!!! Christianity is the most persecuted religion!!! The only people classed as racist in this country are white??????? WHY??????David Frost commented on blacks having the rythm, and the catholics needing it why was this not picked up on by the BBC???? Good luck Carol.We are all behind you.
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Official complaints to the BBC can be made at ...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/
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What a lot of noise over nothing! I am really fed up with all the PC over what our country calls normal! Why should we have to be accountable for people from other countries coming here and demanding we respect them when we are not allowed to respect our own culture.
Come on how about a bit of fairness!!
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I actually stopped watching anything on the BBc and listening to BBC radio when Jonathon Ross DIDN'T get sacked, especially when Kenny Everett DID get sacked for something much less. Now the same has been done to Carol Thatcher which has made me angry enough to write this. I will NEVER allow ANY BBC program to be be played at home or in the car again.
Unless of course the idiots responsible apologise and re-instate her. I read that someone has decided to stop watching the show for a week.. how weak is that.. stop watching FOREVER... Richard and Judy is far more entertaining
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I was looking forward to a debate on the subject of Carol's dismissal tonight on The One Show with the people who were offended giving their side of the story.But not a peep!
Are they too ashamed of what they have done?It would have been illuminating to see who is demanding a full apology from Carol.
Is it Adrian or Jo who is demanding this full apology?Has Carol been told who wants the apology?
Keep up the pressure.
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I really think that Ken_Bear has got the point of all this wrong... Carol was off air when the comments were made and "shopped" by some snoop who should have been sacked as well for infinging on her privacy.
Wake up and join the real world
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The question is to who do we report those lying on their CV's;a higher authority at the BBC no doubt.Will we earn any brownie points or perhaps a chance of employment with the BBC. How about collecting rubbish from the One Show that would be a full time job.
Do the decent thing and apologise for your treatment of Carol Thatcher.
Your presenters looked like rats caught in a bait trap tonight.
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I have also registered merely to make a comment. Poor old Carol T. Political correctness gone mad. I had a black doll with striped trousers when I was a child and I loved it. I also collected the little enamel badges.
Apparently Jo Brand was one of the people who complained about the comment. I like Jo Brand but what about the language she uses in her stand up act occasionally, is that any less offensive!!
I agree that the BBC Controller completely over re-acted. It must be a slow news week
Penny
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The one show goes from bad to worse. Jay Hunt did the show no good this morning and Frank Skinner helped it along the way even more to tonight. Adrain Chiles must go and soon. Pity that neither he or Jo Brand has the guts to come out and say which of them complained about Carol. They have done neither of their reputations much good.
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I am becoming increasingly fed up this false PC world we live in.
We want a more tolerant society yet all we practice is intolerance.
Carol's comment has been misunderstood and blown out of proportion.
As for the BBC's action it sends a conflicting message.
If they are all for being PC then they should have sacked Jonathon Ross too.
Carol was clumsey but did not deserve to be sacked. She was deluded in thinking she was amongst friends.
M London
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Formal complaints about the conduct of the One Show bullies and the lamentable controller of BBC1 can be lodged at ...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/
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if you support Carol Thatcher please sign our petition in favour of free speech
http://www.PetitionOnline.com/1thatc8/petition.html
thankyou
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The B.B.C. should have a special show, a debate, were carol, and members of the one show can sit down, and air their view's, and be honest with each other, ( for once )
I predict the rating's would be sky high, if this blog is anything to go by, but perhaps Carol has already moved on, and is no longer interested, Good On Her!! Vi.
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What is happening in the UK? You can't say "boo" without a few people over reacting. Democracy is about majority rule - now a few cranks can complain and we have tan over reaction that is nothing more than fodder for the baying wolves that we call the media. Get a life!
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There is another whole section devoted to the thatcher story... this thread is supposed to be about tonights show
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Private words said in private places to private people should remain as such.
Adrian ... you are out of order and I hope that you never find yourself in the same position as you have put Carol Thatcher in! I hope you are proud of yourself...
Carol ... you deserve better treatment than you have received.... let down by a colleague...
BBC.... I won't watch the one show again.... I only put up with the inferior presentations of Adrian and Christine because of people like Carol who brought a sparkle to the programme...
Carol - I wish you all the best ... but in future learn who you can trust!
enough said.... I for one will be switching over at 7.00 p.m. from now on!
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Will the sneak who objected to golliwogs please show his/her face.
Or is coward to strong a word?
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And today not a single word about Carol Thatcher from you.
Shame on you.
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My previous comment notifying people of the existence of a petition in support of Carol Thatcher was removed as not being 'on topic'. Most of the above comments are also about Carol - are you going to remove them all?
People are so incensed by the BBC's treatment of Carol Thatcher that they, like me feel the need to keep the subject alive on future blog dates.
I have at no stage written anything offensive on this site.
This issue won't simply die down because the BBC moderators start removing people's comments. The petition which was started on Wednesday afternoon now has 459 signatures. Please, everyone continue to sign and pass the url on to others who feel the same.
http://www.PetitionOnline.com/1thatc8/
PLEASE SIGN THE PETITION TO MARK THOMPSON IN SUPPORT OF CAROL THATCHER
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Caprotina, I hope you are not referring to me, I do find the term ( Golliwogs )offensive, yes I admit it, as a nurse, I have worked with Africans, Mauriciens, Indians, Chinese, and my best friend was Jamaican, and I would never refer to any of my friends as Golliwiog's, Vi. Northumberland
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Oh is this show still on , should have been axed straight after the Snitchgate affair. Jobs for snitchers apply here .
I dont think that Carol will ever want to come anywhere near the beeb in future and possible guests will be very causious about coming on shows in the future for that matter , i would'nt blame any employee of there's for quiting , as so many have done due to being totally disillusioned with there shoddy code of practice if one could call it that .
There is lots of good stuff , no better stuff on the other channels plus lots to choose from too.
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I am afraid the SNITCH will never own up due to the cowardly and spineless way it was reported ,
CAROL YOU ARE A STAR AND DESERVE MUCH BETTER THAN THE
beeb.
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Well done to the BBC for taking action against Carol Thatcher. She might find racism a joke but those of us who have suffered abuse aren't laughing. Her agent's comments just make the situation worse. Of course Carol and her army of supporters don't find racist terms offensive - they are the type of people who dreamt up the insults in the first place.
She is also a terrible reporter, her on screen personality is every bit as odious as the private self she has now revealed.
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I am appalled at the BBC again encouraging political correctness to become rampant and even more oppressive. A gollywog is a toy, it even graced the label of Robertson's jams for years. If Carol Thatcher commented that a sportsman's hair made him look like a gollywog, that may lack taste but is not a sackable offence .Whoever complained, like a schoolchild telling tales to a teacher, should be thoroughly ashamed.
Incidentally the good old Lefties siezing on this incident to make a Political point are so predictable.The comparison with Jonathan Ross's treatment shows the BBC is again scoring an own goal. Grow up into the real world and not the nightmare you are helping to create.
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Dear Jay HUNT,
PLEASE CAN YOU TELL US MORE ABOUT THE green green GRASS Room.
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Re the Carol Thatcher debacle:
first of all she was in a work space which I am pleased to hear has anti-oppressive policies. So whether it was in the public arena is irrelevant. Racist language should be challenged whether or not it was going to be made public and I am pleased that is what happened. As for those who defend what she said, people who use racist terms don't know that is what they are doing; that is why their ignorance is damaging. You will find people who are the victims of racist abuse sometimes agreeing with their tormentors. They live in a racist culture and have been conditioned to see it as harmless banter. Those of us who are not subjected to racism when we are part of the dominant culture have a duty to be vigilant.
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Find it strange that your website asks viewers to submit opinions on the programme or any other issue given that you clearly find the opinions of CT so offensive. Surely this is courting controversy?
Some people DO look like gollywogs, some people look like Shrek, I am no oil painting! I find it hard to believe that Jo Brand and Adrian Chiles were offended by this observation/comment.
I think recent events have undermined the credibility of an already questionable show. Bring back Nationwide!
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The controversy over Ms Thatcher reminded me about this show. It is dull, it is boring!!
It is so middle class, so middle aged, so middle of the road and so belonging to the last century.
Perhaps this controversy will encourage the BBC to replace this show with a modern current affais show
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I am at a loss for words about all this fuss over the word "gollywog" uttered by Carol Thatcher. I was far more insulted by Jonothan Ross's broadcast of utter filth and the recent report of a "celebrety" indecently exposing themselves whilst being interviewed on radio! Has the world gone stark staring mad. Come on GET A LIFE!
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I hope all the comments your are receiving are also being registered as complaints - have you got the backbone to do this? I recommend the BBC look at the way other European broadcasters work, they do not come bogged down in petty controversies, they also deliver the news IN AN UNBIASED WAY. You obviously recruit the main part of your presenters from the Left, government supporting people. What is your secret agenda?? You should represent ALL the people in the UK, not just the ones that agree with you!!!!
Bring back Carol now!
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So are the BBC going to sack Clarkson for his racist and offensive to disabled people remarks then? I think the BBC's treatment of Thatcher is sexist but also a dig at her Mother - all the men get off with it (Ross, Moyles, Clarkson) but the women (Thatcher and the controller of Radio 2) have to go then. Also I was there a black person in the room who was offended? When Halle Berry complained about Moyles being racist nothing was done by the PC BBC oh yes but then she wasn't a white middle class PC leftie like the entire BBC management class. And why can't the brave smitch be named by the BBC seeing as they authorised the leak - we can all write in with a Freedom of Information Request asking for this info. I would ask all to register their complaint with the BBC, write to your MP to abolish the BBC poll tax (which they so critcise Thatcher for but we've had it for years) and also boycott Red Nose day and pledge the money to DEC instead. I also hope Chiles, Bleakley and the talentless Bland's (about as funny as vomit) careers are finished.
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Tale telling?!! I will not be watching the show anymore as a result. Will rather watch Richard and Judy on Watch+1.
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Why could,nt Ms Hunt get a job in her wn country...............................AUSTRALIA........because we dont want her here
I dont mind the BBC useing licence payers money to get her a one way ticket home
And take CHILDES and co with her..
Bing Carol back Now
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Why not rename the One Show the 'Ein Show' aka the 'Germany in the 1930s show' with Chiles, Brand, Hunt and Bleakley as members of the SS thought police ruthlessly policing and snooping on people in private to see of they utter any unPC words or even have thoughts which do not comply with the BBC beliefs and values. If they do they can then be sent to the gas chambers or the Eastern Front, so that ultimately the country beliefs and history can be cleansed of any impurities. Oh yes and the BBC has a history of persecuting religious minorities a la Herr Dross with Andrew Sachs. And it knows all about propaganda and self promotion too so Himmlers job is done. All Heil Thompson, Heil Lyons, Heil Dross and all heil to the BBC thousand year Reich!
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I watched BBC news last night to hear what they had to say on the controversy and what did I find...a smug story about how ITV viewers had missed the only goal in a football match because of a computer error.
This sums up the BBC's attitude ... poke fun at the competition and ignore your own shortcomings.
I bet there are more people incensed about the BBC double standards (CT vs Wozz ) that there were about having to watch a recording of the goal 2 minutes after it was scored.
What else did we see? A very apologetic head of ITV apologising immediately for the failure of his company. Stand up BBC bosses and get your apology out
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This seems to be the standard tactic of the BBC when it does something outrageous and indefensible -
ignore it completely, pretend it didnt happen, dont even mention it.
(For another example see Susan Watts Newsnight blog for comments about how they cut and pasted Obama's speech to make him say what he didnt).
This issue is not going to go away, BBC.
Cathy_j and others, I dont think comments here count as official BBC complaints. To register a complaint you have to go to
http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/
and fill in a form, so I hope all those who feel strongly about this issue will do this.
Also there is a petition at
http://www.PetitionOnline.com/1thatc8/petition.html
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Does Chiles and Beakley think this will futher there Careers
I VERY MUCH HOPE NOT......
Childes as always plenty to say why cant he not say something about poor Carol on to-nights Show
Our freedom of speech is being taken away bit by bit
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Well done 'samuelpickwick' - comment 104. The petition is doing really well at well over 400 signatures since it's inception on Wednesday afternoon!
I also hope that people are complaining at the link on comment 104 - I think this is the only way complaints about Carol Thatcher's treatment will be registered. Although I have made three complaints so far this way and have so far had no response - we'll see.
I have also commented on several newspaper websites: The Guardian, The Times, The Telegraph and The Mail and posted the petition address there too.
KEEP SIGNING EVERYONE - GLAD TO SEE YOUR RESOLVE ON THIS ISSUE ISN'T WANING
http://www.PetitionOnline.com/1thatc8/
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The One Show incident reflects how out of touch the BBC is with the decent people of Britain.
The sacking of Carol Thatcher because of complaints from Adrian Chiles and Jo Brand is a disgrace. If they were responsible as reported in some newspapers then they should be ashamed of themselves.
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Re CT's comment and the BBC response to the complaint yesterday, am I right in saying that CT did make an apology, but was done in private, just as the initial comment was also made in private.
Let us not allow the simple response by the BBC to rest, and continue to complain daily
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102 blogbag
I promised myself I would comment any more on this but I see now that there are people in the UK who just haven't a clue of what and is not offensive, I find the comments in 102 incredible. How you can possibly compare the horror of the Hitler Era with this case is disgusting. Yesterday we heard in the news about the so called "Doctor Death" .. we heard about the way he treated people in a concentration camp and it made me feel sick.
You really have gone much too far with your comments and I would respectfully request that you examine what you wrote again and delete it.
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Frank Skinner encouraged us to steal from our employers on last nights show. Have the BBC banned him yet! and if not, why not! Or has he appologised to everyone!
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Re comment 110. I can see your point but I can also see 102's point (if heavy handed) - even though the Carol Thatcher incident obviously cannot be compared with the holocaust - it is the BBC's seeking to control people in this over zealous manner which I find frightening and they shouldn't get away with it.
Keep blogging, keep signing, keep complaining
http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/
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It is beyond belief the way the BBC has treated Carol Thatcher. Surely a private conversation is just that, private!
I understand there is an unwritten rule that what happens or is said in the green room stays in the green room, or do these rules only apply when it suits the organisation or the individuals within it?
Carol's comments were never aired, unlike Jonathan Ross' and yet he is still employed and paid how much?? At least Carol Thatcher broadcasts were not at the expense of others.
I for one will not let Adrian Chiles or Jo Brand take up any more of my precious time in the future!
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I wholeheartedly support the BBC in sacking Carol Thatcher. She has herself to blame for making the situation worse in refusing to make an unambigous and unequivocal apology.
Not only that - but she is a dreadful reporter!! When interacting with her subjects she shows no empathy whatsoever, simply fires questions but never takes the trouble to listen to their answers.
She should have been sacked long ago!!
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I can't bekieve the BBC has sacked someone for comparing a previously unknown tennis player's hairstyle with that of a child's doll.
Said in private too despite Ms Hunt's attempts to convince us otherwise.
The public would not have been aware of it if a snitch hadn't leaked the story to the press.
I have gone right off Adrian Chiles now, as for Jo Brand I would be much more offended by some of the things she says.
Bye, bye one show, I won't watch it anymore.
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Well I like the vast majority of contributors to this page I do not support the BBC.
I felt so strongly about this that I had to register just to add my comments.
It seems that only sackcloth and ashes can redeem Carol Thatcher in the eyes of the prudes who present and run the show.
I for one applaud Carol Thatcher for standing up to these PC bullies.
Double standards BBC when swearing, gross filth and downright crude nastiness is allowed on air but a comment off air about a doll that many of us had throughout our childhood results in sacking.
Really BBC grow up and stop hiding behind a PC minority who aim suffocate free speech.
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Carol was the best thing on this programme, her reports were always the high point of an otherwise lacklustre and poorly presented show which I certainly shall not bother to watch in future.
I wish Carol well and hope that she will be able to take advantage of this farce created by small minded BBC aparatchiks.
By the way, has anyone else noted the remarkable likeness of one of the regular presenters and an alpaca, have a close look, it's in the eyes and the forehead, I am afraid I cannot take him seriously as a result.
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Carol Thatcher is a talented journalist and I think it is disgraceful that she was sacked for a private comment, which somebody "snitched" on and for which she subsequently apologised. The BBC is guilty of double standards, as I cannot understand why Jonathon Ross was not sacked for his disgusting and offensive prank, especially as it was broadcast on national radio. His apology was not sincere; he only apologised because he was afraid of being sacked and losing his £18m contract which, as a licence payer, I resent having to contribute towards.
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As a avid collector of "Golly" badges back in the 1950's, I am greatly disappointed with the BBC and even more with Adrian Chiles and The One Show team over the "affair" with Carol Thatcher.
You will be pleased to know that show has lost two viewers from Lands End.
Alex Hardman
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What a load of arrogant know-it-alls you are. C.T was stupid and should know better than to say anything like that in front of such delicate people as Jo Brand and Adrian Chiles (Childs more like). Anyone who has watched Jo Brand's stand-up show will understand how delicate her feelings are! Adrian Chiles is just a creep who wants to move up the salary ladder at the BBC, he sure will. Shame on you all. By the way, totally dislike C.T but the PC brigade will all get their comeuppance in time! Someone else who will never watch this rubbish anymore, my wife might but I will surely find something more interesting to do like washing my hair.
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The point is that people like you and the BBC would like to control what we think, say and do in public and private so it complies with your warped idea of PC. That smacks of totalitarianism to me and the majority of decent people.........if we let this unaccountable subsidy junkie monolith get away with this then who knows where it will lead to hence the comparison to Germany in the 1930's
I know what is offensive (ie Ross in public to an OAP) is but the BBC does not (ie Thatcher in private to a shower of talentless hangers on and then it is leaked out by the BBC).
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I am not a fan of The One Show, basically because of the presenters. The shows that I have seen Carol Thatcher was the only bit of life on it and I am not one of her fans a golliwog is still a golliwog whatever you want to call it "a rose by any other name....." I think it would have been better to keep Carol and sack Adrian Chiles who I think is smug and insipid and as for his side kick Christine what really, is she there for, definitely not in depth interviews.
I have now become a fan of Emmerdale, I'm sad aren't I?
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Last night's show seemed to condone lying on CVs and stealing from the stationery cupboard. The advert was for a show that was sold-out, the guest was not funny and please note, it cannot be made so by paroxysms of laughter from the female presenter and the behind camera crew - this just makes it embarrasing. The same ploy was tried with the night before when the Frost item was 'livened-up' by sycophantic presenter and crew laughter and applause. I can see why you had an 'AHHH' item with the seals but what was going on afterwards with the patronising and poorly constructed model garden? Then we had the 'Conservation police' item - the public information films in the war were better.
The only hope for this show is take it off - have a think and bring it back with new presenters, producer, crew and concept.
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Re #4. So you want to know what would happen if she called him a '***'? I guess that would have been a more transparent remark. The problem #4 is that nowadays you just can't tell who will be offended, they don't have to be a ***. What has Britain come to when you can't call a *** a ***.
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It was very strange that Carol did not get much support on Question Time last night despite the overwhelming support she has been getting on the various blogs on the subject.The UKIP man ,Nigel Farage and the singer,Will Young were the only guests to give her any support.Even Teresa May was against her.
What does this tell us about our politicians?
Too timid to speak out against the unfairness and hypocrisy of the BBC!
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i told myself that i wouldn't comment anymore on this, as i see that i'm in the minority that thinks golli*** is completly unacceptable.
i will say this once and no more.
i don't think she had to be sacked okay? but to DEFEND the word is to me, the pits.
all of this; WHO'S THE SNITCH, WHO'S THE COWARD, GOLLI*** WAS NOT OFFENSIVE IN MY TIME IT'S JUST A TOY, THIS IS LIKE NAZY GERMANY, THIS IS PC GONE MAD, BLAH, BLAH, ETC...................................
IS VERY CHILDISH!
YOU weren't there, i definetly wasn't there therefore we can't really judge.
YOU can't be sure if it was really a joke, i can't either, again because we weren't there.
YOU say it was a private conversation, i say no it wasn't, she was still in the BBC building, therefore SHE WAS STILL AT WORK.
YOU say golli*** isn't offensive, i say go outside find black people and start calling them that.
YOU say it was inoffensive back then, i say talk to a black man who was brought up in the 60's and ask him.
YOU say Chiles and Brand had to do something with it, i ask this ; How do you know? WERE YOU THERE?
the paper said it; BUT SINCE WHEN HAS THE PAPERS SAID THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH?
people let's think, restrain ourselves (from insulting others and accusing them of things that you have no evidence of) and ccalm down shall we?
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I watched last night's One Show just in case the BBC managed to find it in their heart to admit that maybe they had been just a teeny-weeny bit over the top in sacking CT.
But no....sadly this was predictable.
Of course, CT should not have said something that may offend, but my recollection of G...g badges is that they depicted people of stature such as doctors, nurses, sportspeople etc, all surely positive images of role-models.
Soon none of us will dare say anything for fear it may offend. Am I allowed to say "teeny-weeny" I wonder or has that now gained a sinister implication that has eluded me like the G-word had.
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as our freedom of speech gone are we not suppose to commenton anything
the word golly.... as been around since 1893
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Two points to raise. Why do you need to have the consumer items on the show? There are so many other programmes on TV dealing with consumer issues,that it would be refreshing to watch a programme without them.
Sometimes I feel the guests on the programme get little time. They are ignored for long periods of the show and often don't fit in with the other items aired in the studio.
Perhaps a third point. Who is the smart chap in the jacket who has replaced Adrian on the last two shows?
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spirt22 wrote:
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as our freedom of speech gone are we not suppose to commenton anything
the word golly.... as been around since 1893
your freedom of speech has not gone. the fact that you can protest about this and write this down....... surely this is enough evidence that we are not in a dictatorship.
i know that the word is old. but in those days white people hardly asked black people if they found it offensive or not.
look up blyton the author of noddy, and you'll see that she used the golli*** as a villain in her books.
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The position taken by the BBC on Ms Thatcher's private remark demonstrates an attitude towards political correctness which was last seen in the worst days of the Militant Tendency rule of certain London boroughs during the Sevenies. There is little doubt in the minds of the majority of the public that there is a stench of anti-Thatcherism in the BBC's position and the case now provides an exquisite example of double standards when contrasted with the position of the BBC when it dealt with the Ross affair.
David Patrick
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They took the 'N' word, now they want to take the 'G' word. We must defend our rights to call a ............
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Shame on you Adrian Chiles.
I expected you to show a bit more common sense.
The One show has now become the Once for me.
The BBC has definitely lost it.
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Surely Carol Thatcher was talking about Mark Stevens, the so called lawyer that the BBC wheels out every so often - no wonder he's outraged. Henceforth I won't be able to stop laughing every time I see him on air.
As for Adrian Chiles, in light of the issue he must surely be outraged every time he attends a Baggies match.
I'm off to buy a Golli on ebay before the seller runs out or they are banned............
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I agree 100% with davinci44.I am absolutely disgusted at the treatment given to Carol Thacher especially when it was not made in public.George Orwells thought police are at work in the BBC.Free speach beware!!!!I have already stopped watching the one show as a protest.
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For the first minute of the show, my husband and I just tuned quickly to see the attitude of the snake in the grass. His body language said it all. He was even more wooden than usual. He is, in every way, untenable. After those 60 seconds, we watched The Bill which we had stored on our Digibox. Yes - that is the great thing today - there is no need to watch the BBC know-it-all drivel any more. Dear BBC, these days the public can pick and choose - and a majority won't be choosing you in future. Shame on you for ruining an institution that was ONCE respected world-wide and has now completely lost the plot.
Apologise to Carol!
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Hey how does the One Show do it.? You have managed to make the BBC look even more daft by creating such a fuss over Carol Thatcher's remark. Yeah great for Jonathan Ross to do what he did and get a slap on the wrist. But just sack Carol Thatcher because of a remark made off screen!! The show is becoming a sick joke now. The two presenters for a start. Thank goodness Adrian Chiles has finally stopped wittering on about his football team - although a football supporter myself, that was really boring. Christine still stares adoringly at him and laughs and smiles at everything that falls from his lips. Last night Frank Skinner was making jokes about stealing things from work. What oh what are the production team doing? Why not apologise to Carol Thatcher who was doing an excellent job, as do some of the other contributors.
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I think it was unfair to sack Carol Thatcher for comments said off air when the BBC failed to sack people such as Johnathan Ross, Russell Brand and Jeremy Clarkson, just to mention a few, who have actually been responsible for making insulting and offensive comments ON AIR.
It would appear that there is one law for some and not for others. I think of Carol was not the daughter of Margaret Thatcher she would not have been sacked by the BBC. I understand from newspaper reports that Ms Thatcher DID in fact apologise for her comments but that was not good enough for the BBC. One could understand if she said something on air!
Jo Brand is a known supporter of the Labour Party and suspicion must be directed at her as one of the people responsible for reporting comments made in private. She should look back at her own TV appearances and wonder whether she can hold her head up high without a blemish on her character.
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I am disgusted by the way that Carol Thatcher has been treated.
It is just ridiculous and defies common sense.
The way that she has been treated is officious, sanctimonious and high handed and beggars belief and directly contrasts the way that Jonathan Ross has been dealt with.
I won't be watching the One Show anymore.
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The BBC goes from bad to worse.
I just watched the BBC rolling news broadcast and after having told us several times that Clarkson had made rude remarks about Gordon Brown, they then had to broadcast him actually saying them.
How do they justify this? Either it was offensive and should not be broadcast or it was not offensive in which case what was their story about
Time for the BBC to take a long had look at itself and not from its natural position with its head up .........
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We are told that Adrian and Jo Brand were shocked and offended when they discovered that Carol Thatcher does not regard the word gollywog as racist. The BBC has a duty of care to its staff and guests, and I hope that Adrian and Ms Brand are being given counselling to help them through their trauma.
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Concur with the vast majority on here the treatment of CT is a sad reflection of the looney liberal society in which we live. What happened to sticks and stones?
Far more offensive material is broadcast daily on the BBC so why a comment made off air should result in such draconian action is beyond me.
on a separate note well done Jeremy Clarkson - name and shame i say.
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I am absolutely disgusted at the behaviour of the BBC sacking Carol Thatcher. It seems Jay Hunt can get away with a "hatchet job" on Thatcher without her being able to respond to this arrogant woman. How can she possible support Ross over comments made "on air" and let him keep his inflated salary and fire Thatcher for off air comments which were made in the privacy of the green room which despite what Jay Hunt said is considered to be a private room. So what is Jay Hunt now going to do about Jeremy clarkson's latest comments. Shouldn't he be sacked for both racist comments against the Scots and an attack on blind people.
The problem now is every time I see Adrian Chiles sitting on the sofa looking smug I wonder whether he is one who has kicked up all the fuss. Perhaps the answer is not to watch the programme any more - A pity.
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How dare Frank Skinner say that it was ok to steal from employers ? We are a very small company and would be devastated if our employees took that advice. Why is this statement ok to broadcast , oh yes, because it hurts white middle class hard working people, so that's ok then.
Jay Hunt should go.
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So if we are to believe the press Adrian Chiles is now the arbitor of decencey and morality, that surely is a bit rich, the double standards that abound in this world are completly amazing, i will no longer watch the one show..Adrian be careful what you say and do in private you might loose your job, or should you have already???
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I am no longer watching the One Show because of the disgraceful treatment of Carol Thatcher . I would get out as soon as you can Christine before you get tarred with the same brush as the non personality Adrian Chiles . Lucky Jane Garvey (who is 10 times more talented than her ne'er do well husband ) to be rid of the man and I do hope that it is true that you have not been foolish enough to get involved with him Christine . Get rid of this boring left wing show now !!
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Carol Thatcher's remarks were not made in private but in a BBC Green Room in front of a number of people including BBC staff and caused great offence to those who heard them.
The One Show had hoped that Carol would issue an unconditional apology to those whom she had offended. Unlike other presenters who have found themselves at the centre of a news story in the past, Carol declined to do so.
As a result, her position on The One Show is no longer tenable and there are no plans to work with her in the future on that show. This is because her role as a roving reporter requires her to report on a wide variety of issues and to meet a diverse range of people throughout the country, many of whom are unlikely to agree that her remarks were acceptable even as a joke.
This does not mean she is banned from the BBC as a whole but simply she is no longer able to fulfil her current role on The One Show.
The BBC considers any language of a racist nature to be wholly unacceptable.
Think far more people would concur that what jonathan ross said was a joke.
What about the famous comparison of roy hattersley to a tub of lard surely that could have offended millions- where does this nonsense stop?
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I would like to complain about the treatment of Carol Thatcher I can't help but think this is because of who her Mother is and the BBC seems to be controlled by left leaning liberals who seem to despise the general public of our generation and also exist outside of the real world.
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Is lying on your CV ever acceptable?
If its acceptable for recruitment agencies to lie on job adverts as they often do - then surely it is equally acceptable for applicants to lie on their CV's.
Recruitment agencies lie about the location, the size of the company and department, they also inflate the salary on offer.
All fair in love and war.
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So will the person who "grassed up" CT step forward and make themselves known after all if they are so sure of what they did was right then they should have no problem in coming forward ! If they dont one can only assume they are ashamed to do so and prefer to remain in the shadows. And by the way if viewers were offended by say, oh I dont know ....lets say for example a guest or a presenters adultery ( hypothetical you understand), would that be a reason to have them barred from the show ?
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The BBC has really become rather pathetic.
Clearly describing a black person as a 'goliwog' is wrong.The word has racist implications and will offend many people. However, that does not mean that Carol Thatcher is overtly racist or intended to insult people in this way. The white liberals who have made this decision are probably overcompensating for their own latent racism and guilt.
If for example, i was to describe Pamela Anderson as a 'Barbie' doll. Am i commenting on how she appears or am i making a prejorative statement about her intellect. As a man talking about a women and how she looks to another man who has not seen her, this description may be wrong and insulting but may be my attempt to say that the woman is attractive in a 'classic way'. It does not mean that i hold negative views on equal rights for women.
Carol Thatcher was great value and her loss to the BBC is a pity. I am confident that whoever made this PC decision has contributed little to our entertainment and is overpaid.
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Apparently the BBC moderator is telling me that its OK to denounce Carol Thatchers views (made in private) but not OK to discuss Adrain Chiles views on marriage, spearation and extra-marital affairs(made in public).
My blogs are being removed by the BBC moderator.
I rest my case with respect to the BBC's impartiality and fairness in this matter.
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Is it going to take 9 days before we get an
apology from the BBC like they gave when ross was suspended ( another joke) or will they and CHILDES do it on the show to-night???
Please BBC Childes and bleakley are now a geat embrassment just get rid of them ASAP
and bring Carol back now
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Dear BBC Big Brother,
I just want to reconfigour my moral compass so its consistent with the BBC moral compass.
As I undertand it the BBC's blog moderator's position is;
Its offensive if I should discuss or possess a childs toy called a Gooliwog,
but its not offensive
if I leave my wife and young children and commit adultery with a work colleague?
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Well done to the BBC and the One Show for relieving Carol Thatcher of her duties. She has clearly lost touch with reality.
We live in a diverse multi-cultural society and it is totally unacceptable to make such offensive comments and then claim it was all done in jest.
I have always held Jo Brand in high regard and was impressed with the way she handled the situation.
I wasn't an avid fan before but will be watching more of this show.
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The BBC moderator also removed my blog because I referred to Adrian Chiles separation from his wife and children.
I also commented on his involvement or otherwise in the sacking of Carol Thatcher and the moral high ground he thinks he has over many people appearing on the One Show.
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Regarding your comments about Adrian and his extra marital affairs made in public ??what is that all about?!!I have never heard anything so rediculous in my life!!The man is separated from his wife Does not go with his co presenter, no matter what media say ,and I find him and Christine good presenters on a wonderful show!!!People have to get facts right before condeming Adrian!!!very little support for Thatcher on Question Time last night!!!wish everyone would shout and support the things that really matter in this country!!!!Unbelievable!!!Prince Harrys gaffe was quickly smoothed over as was Prince Charles calling someone sooty!!!Amazing!!
Carol should go on air and say sorry! her of all people should know better!!then be considered for her job back!
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As far as I'm aware still nothing on the One Show regarding Carol Thatcher. This should be discussed on the show as I said previously - I find it very difficult to watch the programme now when this has not been addressed!
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I agree get it out in the open..let the viewers no who said what and to whom
the BBC are faceless in this as is childes and bealkley
im sure ther careers willsuffer badley for this
turn of events
And i hope they do
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Why don't the parties involved answer some simple questions and give us the transparency and honesty that the BBC holds so dear.
Specific questions are:
To Jay hunt: Even if you prefer not to name them, how many of the 12 people in the room made a formal complaint to the BBC?
To Jo Brand: You are quoted as saying you made no complaint but did you take the story to the press?
To Adrian Chiles: Did you make the complaint and if so, did you consider your own moral postion prior to doing so?
To Adrian Chiles: Were you prepared for the viewer backlash, against you personally, the programme and the BBC and if you could wind the clock back would you behave differently?
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The following are selected quotations from Melanie Grant's statement from yesterday. They are quite interesting and my comments follow
"The remark made by Carol Thatcher in The One Show Green Room last Thursday caused considerable offence."
A statement. No evidence or factual support such as a statement from someone who was there quoting exactly what was said. Innuendo therefor until substantiated.
"In some reports it has been suggested that the word in question was used in jest. This was not the case...."
Sinilar point. How does Melanie know? Was she there? Who's evidence is she using?
" and the use of the word to describe a black sportsman caused instant offence."
Agaim a statement with no supporting eveidence. Who was offended and why?
Incidentally his profession is irrelevant.
"neither she (jo Brand) nor Adrian contacted the press."
Entirely misses the point. Did they complain internally within the BBC. Once that had happened it was out of their hands and one can only suspect into the fair hands of Ms Hunt to use to show how decisive and on message she is. She would get on well with the late unlamented Sir Ian Blair then!
"The following day, a number of people who had either heard the comment or learned of it, made their feelings known to the show's executive producer, who raised the issue with Carol"
"requires her (CT) to work closely with the team"
Taken together I think we begin to piece together what really happened. One suspects that it was a production team member (s) who elevated the issue beyond a minor faux pas to a major incident. We often wonder who runs the BBC. Maybe its the producion team. Presumablyy they now have a veto on who works on the show!
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to the moderator tell us will these blogs be read by the one show team.
post your comment to evryone on here
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I find the most offensive thing about the sad Carol Thatcher debacle is the total lack of support demonstrated by her boss and colleagues. I was brought up to believe that, whatever, you didn't let your mates down - even if you didn't agree with them. I have also worked for several bosses- some of whom I liked and agreed with and some of whom I didn't. If I had offended I expected to be bollocked IN PRIVATE - but - without exception - in public I knew there would be support and solidarity.
Isn't it time the sneak was prepared to stand up and defend his/her position - or the director of the BBC to release the name? Who could be so lacking in loyalty to smear a colleage in this way? Disgusting and a coward!
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I have read today in the paper that the BBC has recieved 2,200 complaints regarding the dismissal of Carol Thatcher from the one show. I would like to make it 2,201.
Its a disgrace that the BBC pander to the soft bellied, born again christian, do gooders of this world.
Every time they complain the BBC jump.
Apparently 67 of these namby pambies complained, what about the 2201 that support Carol, dont we have a voice ?.
The Russell Brand Jonathon Ross think was bad enough but now Carol Thatcher as well.
It wont be long before we are watching re-runs of Malcolm Mugeridge and Mary Whiteghouse and watching the epilogue again.
Shame on the BBC, bring Carol back.
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She was invited to make an unreserved apology and failed to do so. This would have resolved the problem.
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156 doctorAlbion You are not alone here.
THE BEEB IS DOOMED
I dont think it will be long now as the sands of time are running out for the Beeb , plus we all know that you just cant the staff these day , thats why the Beeb's standards have dropped so low and are now chaseing the sands of time to the bottom of the pit of doom.
Its certainly is a sorry day for us all but as we all know nothing is forever .
The likes of WOSSY , BRAND , CHILES , and the NAMELESS SNITCHES are unwittingly speeding up there own demise together with the hand that feeds them.
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Stick to your guns BBC. The fact that Thatcher doesn't understand the offensiveness of the word golliwog to a large number of people shows what a sheltered life she has led and how ignorant she is. This incident is in no way comparable with those other idiots, R.Brand/Ross.
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Lets make our views count and Boycott the show on Friday 13th Feb if you agree with the BBC's handling of the Carol Thatcher incident carry on watching. Make the ratings count !
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I am thinking of complaining to Little Chef, as their logo, being a caricature of a short fat chef, appears to be shortist and obesist. Oh, and it's white, so that must mean it's racist. Oh and sexist, as it's male.
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Read on line that Bois Johnson as now spoken in favour of Carol
Come on BBC admit you were wrong in dimissing Carol and get her back
Also an Apolgy from the snitchs on the one show wouldnt go amiss
Dont estmate the licence payers ofthis country
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Dear Frank Skinner and Adrian Chiles,
Found Frank's views on the One Show with respect to stealing stationery from an employers stationery cupboard extraordinary.
Frank if you are at the Hawthorns (West Bromwich Albion v Newcastle ) tommorrow and have BBC Stationery in your possession I will denounce you to the West Midlands police. Although Adrain may denouce you before me because it will further his promotion prosepcts at the BBC.
Stealing from your employer is a criminal offence. Although the Production team on the One Show may not be offended by it as its only licence payers money that pays for that stationery, your support for obtaining goods without payment from your employer, the BBC, is offensive to thousands of hard working law abiding licence fee payers.
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Read on line that Boris Johnson as now spoken in favour of Carol
Come on BBC admit you were wrong in dimissing Carol and get her back
Also an Apolgy from the snitchs on the one show wouldnt go amiss
Dont estmate the licence payers ofthis country
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I am very disappointed with the one show, this was the only bbc show with a modicum of non-pc ,not any more , the same old bbc lefties have ruined it by the carol thatcher nonsense, the treatment to her against the non treatment to Ross and his cronies says it all, bring back Carol ( we liked her reports) and get rid of whoever grassed plus the useless programme controller, won't be watching this programme again, the show is now doomed
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Dear Highland Fling,
In answer to your question.
Adrian Chiles can't set himself up as a moral arbiter and paragon of virtue denouncing others for their private views when he has rahther offensive private views himself with respect to the sanctity of marriage. Ask Jane Garvey has she has been feeling the last 12 months.
Similarly Jo Brand is being investigated by the Metropolitan Police Service because live at the Appollo theatre Hammersmith she recommended that certain members of a fringe political party should have human excrement mailed to them.
I note that niether Adrian Chiles or Christine Bleakley have complained to the One Show producer about Frank Skinner endorsing the theft of stationery from an employer which is a criminal offence.
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....and now after nanny BBC shuns Carol for a normal comment anyone might make in the pub they invite on "Dr" Frank Skinner that well known foul mouthed 'comedian' recently reformed and hoping to capitalise on the Ross/Brand debacle by cleaning up his smutty act onto the show.
Frank intimates that he is doing a 'cheer up' gig for an entrance fee of £10 with some mates to get us all over the credit crunch and cheer us up a bit.
Then, Adrian Chiles (£1,000,000 a year by all accounts) pipes up and suggests that the entarnce fee to the gig is too cheap, and "you could get much more than that", thus missing the whole point of the gig!!!
Adrian was useless on Working Lunch, completely out of his depth. I was flaberghasted when he turned up on the One Show. Yet again he shows us he is nothing but an insensitive plank out of touch with normal people.
Since I suggested that he stop staring myopically at the Autocue with no attempt to disguise it, he has, to be fair, become a bit more animated, but he is still boorish, blokeish and totally in line with the 'Ross' culture so loved by Jay Hunt & Co, that so many viewers abhor.
Its time that the BBC started looking at the feedback from its Blogs and comment boards and rolled back its PC culture, consigned the foulmouth presenters and guests to the dustbin, and got some intelligent sharp and nice people onto its magazine shows.
The BBC is going right down the pan just lately, there has been gaffe after gaffe. Get a new controller and a new culture for BBC1
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How can you justify the sacking of Carol when you do not take action against the offensive comments of Jeremy Clarkson. He, and Jonathon Ross get away with it time and again, yet any conflict envolving race always ends up with far more serious action. Had Jeremy Clarkson commented on Barack Obamas ethnic background, there is little doubt that we would never see or hear from him again. Calling Mr Brown a "One eyed SCOTTISH idiot" is clearly derogitory towards the Scotts, yet you do nothing?
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I FULLY support the sacking/not employing Carol Thatcher. I am amazed that lots of people complained of sacking her, it shows there are a lot of racists out there. The BBC has a lot to do publicising that racisim is unacceptable in a multi cultural world. Is it all the old fogies that are complaining? or is it the young? I suspect it's the the older people who have missed the great changes, or are they ignorant and insular?
keep up the job BBC.
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Thank gawd these spineless 'bleeding hearts' wer'nt arround in world war two---it dos'nt bare thinking about. Noel Coward wrote and sang a song called 'Lets not be beastly to the Germans'--just after the war, it was a satirical stab at the--lets forgive and forget . He'd have been drawn and quartered by these sanctimoneous hypocritical kill joy's. Mr Chiles should be given a very long break------he always seems like a right party pooper, so fretful in case someone utter's a bit of good-old BRITISH smuttiness----he'd probably faint if A Bamforth seaside postcard was shown on his 'precious' prissey programme.
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Some people, including the BBC, are making very misleading remarks about Carol Thatcher's apology. She did apologise. Of course she did - anyone would have done - I am sure she realised afterwards that her remark was unwise and a mistake. What she did not do is allow her apology to be dictated by the thugs and Thought Police of the BBC.
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Dear demiclevercloggs,
Its people of all ages and backgrounds who are complaining and fed up with the BBC's hypocracy and inconsistent moral and cultural outlook.
This is not a multicultural society its a single British cultural society. Which everyone who comes here is welcome to join.
I'm in my thirties and have travelled extensively in Africa and the Middle east so really appreciate British cultural values and want to avoid some of the more odious practices I have personally witnessed in some African and Middle eastern countries coming to Britain.
Try going to Burnley, Oldam, Blackburn and West Bromwich there's no multi culturalism there just partitioned comunities some of whom deeply recent the western liberal values which have offered them a home and protection.
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In last night's show, a clip was shown of a man from Tomorrow's World some years ago. So-called comedian Frank Skinner made an offensive remark about the man's hair. Adrian Chiles ridiculed the man's name. These offensive remarks were broadcast by the BBC to millions of viewers. Surely these two offensive bullies should be sacked and forced to make a full and unconditional apology.
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njduncan wants to know what we think of politicians, look up the word ( politic ) in the dictionary, it means ( Guile ) so what does that tell you, Vi.
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Poor misunderstood Carol Thatcher. Today we are begining to hear the full extent of her remarks. How silly some contributors to this blog must now feel.
Next time someone feels its now ok to call my young mixed race daughter a gollywog, I will tell her not to be upset but to think about how awful it must be for Carol Thatcher right now. Do you think that will work?
I am saddened that more people are not coming forward to support the BBC action in this matter but thank goodness they have the decency to do the right thing..
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Over the last two days I could hardly believe the number here who didn't have any problem with the remark by carol Thatcher.
I thought I would check The Sun website to see what the readers of the largest selling paper in the country thought and I was heartened to see a much more even split and indeed they lead with those who, like me, think the show was justified in it's decision not to use her services again.
The best comment on the Sun site was "I blame the parents"
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186 did Carol say he was a golliwog or he looked like one...it's not the same
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It would be interesting if Carol Thatcher had said this if the one show production team were filming in a pub. Would the producer have then taken the same action saying the location was a work place. This would not have happened to Thatcher if Rossgate had not taken place. This is unfair practice by the BBC. The moderation fro this blog is bad enough.
There is a petion to bring back Carol Thatcher online which is gathering a large amount of signatures. Every time I publicise it. The Polit Bureaux take my post off.
Why ?
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I am yet an another viewer lost from the One Show until common sense prevails. Someone save us from the self-serving and presumably self-promoting PC brigade. Go on, invite Clarkson onto the show and get the snitch to ask him why his hair sometimes looks like that of a G.
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dear blogbag, temper, temper! I am a pensioner and disabled. calling me a cretin is abusive. you cannot win arguments that way. You are right, the BBC has a role to educate and you should take advantage of the many documentaries. Dear Jabbajocky, thank you for your insult, it shows the real depth of your thinking. reasoned argument does not equate to being spineless. You are spoiling for a fight. Wars have been created by just that unthinking mentality. Thank god we have the EU and have not been to any wars yet. Dear DoctorAlbion, yours is a bit better argued. Yes I agree that the BBC is inconsistent; first Ross and then Carol, but this is very complicated. Panorama tried to sort out the abuse and then it dismissed Carol because of the Gollywog word. And was subjected to loads of complaints. At least it's trying to represent the whole of the listener. I , too have travelled widely to Africa and The middle east and my dad and I were sent to all the hot spots: 1961 Sharpville, Mboya assassination, 1967 6 day war , Cyprus war 1974. I come from a naval family (grandad was at Jutland 1916 on HMS Valiant and Somaliland 1903). I see all this confict and like you I love the UK for it's security and sanity. the UK is going through difficult times with muliculturalism and trying to be united and I can't see anybody except the BBC who is doing better.
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What is it with these silly PC brigaders. Why can't you offend someone these days. I've been offended (and probably caused offence) many times in my life but I just got over it and moved on. Being offended teaches you a lot about people and life. My support is for Carol Thatcher, yet again the BBC have got it wrong as with the Ross affair. As for The One Show it is turning into the Adrian and Christine show. They are getting too big for their boots. Adrian Chiles is espcecially annoying with his laddish baffoonish antics and why does he have to squint at that piece of paper in his hand all the time. Does he have a sight problem, can he not read the autocue. I'd have thought it simple enough, Christine can do it when she's not cackling heartily. The One Show started out with promise but I'm afraid it's presenters are letting it down. I shall not be watching so much in future.
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Dear One Show Producction Team,
Many of my black friends used to call me, and still do, Rupert Bear.
I suspect this was because as a child I was very ernest, naive, white and always wore yellow trousers with a red top. I also rather coincidently had a friend called Bill the Badger.
Although they called me this nickname in a sometimes derogatory and less than complimentary fashion I took it my stride and took it in good part and didn't let them see I was upset by their taunts.
Similarly my brother was always called Big Ears friend of Noddy by his black friends becuase he was always listening into their conversations uninvited. He always laughed it off.
Cutting and uncomfotable nicnames and how one copes with them is an important British cultural characteristic which some new arrivals to this country struggle to understand.
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Any Chance you could change the theme tune, its horrendous, Get David Williams to write it Da Do Do Do,
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After reading all the blogs I am just wondering if there is any room on that moral high mountain that A.C. is proudly standing on. Can't wait to hear his defence! Hope it's better than W.B.A. Please One Show explain what you have done. The whole thing is crazy!!
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To give an honest opinion-- It's Rubbish.
This genre went out in the sixties. It says nothing and only reports on selected 'Friends' of the BBC Left Wing staff.
It is merely another propaganda show or maybe a theatrical agency for "Has-been" Comedians now that the BBC has dispensed with Humour.
Ps I hope Hardeep's head gets better soon.
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"Reactively Moderated" We all know what his means........ That a person is employed to censor the incoming comments, smother the Freedom of Speech, and remove any comments that the Director doesn't like.
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Very disappointed to see Carol Thatcher go.
What a shame she was always very entertaining.The world is going mad being so called" politically correct"! Not everyone in this world is perfect but I think most of us are more perfect than Jonathan Ross!!
I now think twice before turning on the one show I`m afraid.
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If adrien chiles was upset wih what carol thatcher said he should have said something privately. Silly as she was she shouldnt have been sacked, we all make mistakes no ones perfect. The BBC should also be sacking the other two who I feel made worse comments. The show its self I think is held together by Christine Bleakley, Adrian Chiles whos He!
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What do I think of the show: Cr@p
I will not watch again due to the treatment of Carol Thatcher who was the most talented presenter on it.
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