Obama's Afghanistan strategy
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| 17:04 UK time, Friday, 27 March 2009
President Obama has announced his long-awaited new strategy for trying to stabilise Afghanistan and Pakistan and to defeat the violent Islamists of al-Qaeda and their Afghan and Pakistani Taleban allies.
This review actually began last year under President Bush by the Defence Secretary Bob Gates working with General David Petraeus, who was credited with reducing violence in Baghdad and Sunni areas of Iraq. Both these men have stayed on under Mr Obama.
On The World Tonight, we have tracked this story closely - both when there has been a significant news development, and also in several special programmes.
We returned to look at the review on last Friday's programme, asking what the new policy was likely to look like towards both Afghanistan and Pakistan.
It'll be interesting to see how much of our experts' advice and predictions are included in the new strategy, and of course to see whether it will succeed - though we probably won't be able to assess that for some time to come.
However, that will require patience - something we journalists are not renowned for.
On another note, our presenter Robin Lustig is now able to put audio excepts from The World Tonight on his blog, and I'd be interested to know whether readers of this blog and his blog find this a useful innovation.
Alistair Burnett is the editor of The World Tonight.
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On Sky you can see the Taleban operating in Pakistan
But it looks a bit too staged to me for the camera's
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Afghanistan -- what is it about this place that everybody who thinks they're someone tries to impose themselves there? the Brits in the 19th century, the Russians & the Americans in the 20th.
personally, I would like to hear the voices of the Afghans, not Obama's or his soldiers'.
how about it BBC: can you present us with authentic voices of the people of Kabul, Khandahar, Herat, etc?
perhaps we'll be able to have a better informed debate then.
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"This review actually began last year under President Bush by the Defence Secretary Bob Gates working with General David Petraeus, who was credited with reducing violence in Baghdad and Sunni areas of Iraq. Both these men have stayed on under Mr Obama."
But how can this be? The media told us again and again that Bush/Iraq were failures and that all traces would be swept away under an Obama administration!
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"We returned to look at the review on last Friday's programme, asking what the new policy was likely to look like towards both Afghanistan and Pakistan.
It'll be interesting to see how much of our experts' advice and predictions are included in the new strategy, and of course to see whether it will succeed - though we probably won't be able to assess that for some time to come."
I am intrigued. Most News channels have been concentrating a lot of emphasis on Afghanistan and Pakistan in the knowledge that Obama would be making his announcement any time soon. But isn't there something missing?
As #2 suggests, no one has managed a convincing canvass of what "ordinary" Afghans want, rather like Iraq before it. It has been suggested by seasoned journalists in Afghanistan that the people will never accept Western style democracy. Surely that poses a very thorny problem for the US; this means Afghanistan will be every bit as tricky as Vietnam (if not more so) and that the links with Pakistan means that the chances of sorting the mess through military action negligible.
I am more interested in the game plan Obama has behind the scenes rather than the one he announces on days like today. Pacifying Iran seems high on his agenda so that at least he can turn away from Gaza and the West Bank for a while. But what if a surge equivalent is used in Afghanistan and manages to move the "extremists" across the border into Pakistan? Isn't that inviting more trouble for the west than they can handle especially if the increased instability affects India?
The US cannot invest the kind of money into Afghanistan and Pakistan that the military would require to bring about a reasonable chance of successfully culling the power of the extremist movement given that it is growing with every mistake the west makes. However the US can invest the kind of money needed to improve the infrastructure of both countries if they could get a handle on corruption and the drugs trafficking. Isn't an offer of financial support (with no strings apart from guarantees on corruption and drugs) a much better way to go? Strangely it would seem that Obama seeks to appease Iran whilst continuing to attack Afghanistan when he should be seeking conditional appeasement with both of them, and perhaps even extending this to Pakistan.
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[b]Would it be letting the cat out of the bag to say that Obama will be sending ground troops into Pakistan?[/b]
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President Obama has announced his long-awaited new strategy for trying to stabilise Afghanistan and Pakistan and to defeat the violent Islamists of al-Qaeda and their Afghan and Pakistani Taleban allies. I hope and pray for this strategy in Afghanistan, that President Obama is working on, will work out....
~Dennis Junior~
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IMO Mr Obamas strategy is not a good one.
This is what I think they should do:
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Get the troops out. Use intelligence to locate terror training camps. Take them out using special forces and air support.
Buy the opium.
10 years time the situation will be much better.
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And while we're at it why was that comment rejected on the HYS forum? It breaks no house rules and was bang on topic. And why has my previous comment on this forum been referred to the almighty "moderators" who are getting more like the governments thought police every day?
If it breaks no house rules and is on topic it should be published.
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Largely unreported by the BBC, the US has won the war in Iraq and now the same military team intend to use a similar (not the same) strategy to do the same in Afghanistan.
Surprise, surprise: that strategy is military, political and economic. It involves protecting local people, not killing them. It involves recognising local tribal structures, rather than just western style elected governments. It involves bringing local people over from the insurgents to our side, paying them if needed, and talking to leaders who used to be our enemies.
Sadly the British people have not been informed of the events in Iraq and nor are they informed of the opinions of ordinary Afghans, who are terrified of the return of the taleban.
If only BBC reporting would split from the anti-war movement and start providing a more balanced view, people would be better placed to judge these issues.
It sounds like you guys have tried to have a proper look at the issues, but most people are just seeing the ordinary news and websites like this one.
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#9
I am unsure where you get your information from. The war has not been won in Iraq. It continues and most people live in constant fear of violence. The US are committed to withdraw its combat troops by the end of 2011. For most "ordinary people" in Iraq their daily lives are a continuous cycle of poverty, survival and avoiding violence. Amnesty International has consistently drawn attention to the levels of violence which are at an all time high. The difference may be that the violence is being perpetrated by "officials" rather than "terrorists" a strategy that could have been used without putting one troop into Iraq.
Women and children are now specific targets in Iraq and need basic security and support from official sources. They are not receiving support from the rebuilding funds and even lack daily access to water. Suicide bombings have increased to very high levels in the past few months. The situation is every bit as horrific as Gaza.
While the Pentagon was arming militias bent on removing Iraqi women from public life, the US State Department was busy brokering the new Iraqi Constitution. Hailed as "progressive" and "democratic" in Washington, the new Constitution designates religious law, which discriminates against women, as the basis of all legislation. It also restricts women's rights by upending one of the most progressive family status laws in the Middle East - a law that Iraqi women fought for and won in 1959, before Saddam Hussein took power.
So do I expect the US to conduct itself in Afghanistan as it has in Iraq? Yes and No. The US will attempt to impose its styled democracy but may find it much harder to do. Afghanistan also has an opposition to the US that is considerably stronger and united than the opposition in Iraq. It will not take much of a murmur of misgivings in either Afghanistan or Iraq to set the whole thing off again. Then what will Obama do?
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The people of Afghanistan and Pakistan derserve some degrees of peace and stability in their lifes,and they cant offer that to themselves,without the aid of some individuals, President Obama announcing his long-awaited new strategy to stabilise in Afghanistan and Pakistan and to defeat violent Islamists of al-Qaeda and their Afghan and Pakistani Taleban allies is a welcomed development.The world is waiting to see peace in those lands once again.
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#8
1. Your ideas are not at all absurd- they are too intelligent for the military mindset.
2. Your experience with the WHYS management is not unique and very unfortunate- WHYS management is fostering its own agenda and is lacking in both background and ethics. Only a change in its management can restore editorial integrity there.
3. Obama's message made clear that an attack on Pakistan is coming. Apparently, Pakistan, despite the promise of billions, does not like the idea
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10. ObsoleteExocet wrote:
The situation [in Iraq] is every bit as horrific as Gaza.
Not sure how you worked that one out.
In Iraq, terrorists send handicapped women with bomb belts into crowded markets and blow them up by remote control, killing scores of innocents. They send suicide bombers into mosques, again killing scores of their own people. And this has been happening on a daily basis for years.
Hamas is less efficient. Yes, Hamas recently killed quite a few Fatah supporters and kneecapped others, kills collaborators and occasionally targets and kills Gaza Christians and destroys their churches. But to equate Gaza with the killing fields of Iraq is ridiculous.
Still, I agree that Iraq is a big problem and I don't think the invasion was a good idea. The Americans should have just got Saddam and then got out. Not a good idea to hang around in places like that.
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Since you asked about posting audio in blogs... please don't I don't have time to listen and can read faster than Mr Lustig can speak. If I want listen to what he writes I have an application on my computer which I use for that purpose. Instead let the Radio internet support people provide a speech to text application to save him and other bloggers time
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yes you are right, AMerica has realised it has few pakistanis, and so it will be ok for them to attack pakistan for whatever reason (some crazy advisor to Bush now telling Obama what to do...) They have hardly any Pakistanis in America, Britain has many so Britain stands to suffer if it is dragged into a NEW conflict created by the Americans.
I lived there for twenty years, www.josieg6.wordpress.com.
Just send me home. I was stuck in a US jail with a pakistani girl, they put her through hell, she was a christian who could not return to pakistan. They set her free then rearrsted her, she was losing her mind.
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0. At 12:32pm on 28 Mar 2009, ObsoleteExocet wrote:
#9
I am unsure where you get your information from. The war has not been won in Iraq.
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Sorry, whats all this stuff about women's rights? Thats equivalent of saying the lack of womens rights in Iran means Khomeni & the fundamentalists didn't win in the Iranian revolution. I made a comment about the war having been won, not peace on earth and good will to all. Long and short of it in Iraq: the regime is changed, sadam is dead, an elected government is in place, al-qaeda came (after the invasion) and were defeated by fellow Muslims. You might not like to hear it but it's won.
Was it worth it? Thats a different question.
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12. At 2:22pm on 28 Mar 2009, luosquery wrote:
#8
1. Your ideas are not at all absurd- they are too intelligent for the military mindset.
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Petraeus and many of his senior commanders have a PhD in subjects like international relations. They don't give those away in cornflake packets.
But of course the media haven't really told anyone about that.
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#18
Given that the reason for going to war has been changed as many times as GWB swapped his underwear during his two terms then I don't see how anyone can claim the war has been "won". If we take "regime change" in its strictest sense then changing from an unrepresentative regime to another is not a "win". If on the other hand we wanted a more stable Iraq then again the war has not been "won". The only war that has been "won" was about WMD and we all know now that was won before the USA or the UK sent their forces into action.
Our reason for being in Afghanistan was to deal with the oppressive Pashtun Islamic Terrorists - whose regime is decidedly oppressive to women. So we have downgraded the status of women in Iraq as we continue a fight against their oppression in Afghanistan. Kind of makes sense if you are sitting in an Ivory Tower I guess.
But the real point I am making here is the Iraqi people have not won at all - in fact they have lost and lost heavily. They will continue to lose heavily until the troops are removed and we see what kind of stability remains. The you can claim your "win" if you really must.
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#13
I am sorry TrueToo; I withdraw the comparison.
In a nutshell it is far from obvious just what benefit anyone has got from the bombing of Baghdad, the removal of Saddam, or the continuous pressure to impose a democratic Constitution that few Iraqi's want outside of those controlling it.
Many people in the US complain about their electoral college and seek to change it. Likewise in the UK we are far from content with a system that keeps giving us "bad" government. So much for Iraq democracy being a progression from what existed before. If the US hadn't so much egg on their faces they wouldn't be claiming anything of the sort.
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#19
"Petraeus and many of his senior commanders have a PhD in subjects like international relations.."
Can we have a list, showing the subject and source of the degree?
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I think what Obama is doing by putting more forces on the ground is to escalate the war initially and put pressure on the insurgents and then bribe people away from Taliban. This is classic stick and carrot policy and how much it will succeed; only time will tell.
Another very important aspect is the increase in Afghan national army from 80000 to 134000. I believe that this is most important aspect of his speech as a strong central force will definitely have some impact on the overall situation. If the situation in Afghanistan stabilise to the extent that local army takes charge of the situation (even if the Taliban are not totally defeated) and foreign forces leave than situation in Pakistan will cool down as well.
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#22
Petraeus is confident of winning the war in Afghanistan, so confident indeed that he quietly handed over command for Afghan forces to General David McKiernan last week. A part of the issue appears to be Afghan anger over the quantity of civilian casualties in strikes against Taliban targets. Petraeus claims (in his papers on FIST) that his strategies pinpoint targets so accurately that collateral damage to his own side or that of civilians is minimised to a point where it is insignificant and yet this has not been the case in either Iraq or Afghanistan.
There are Afghan presidential elections coming up in late summer, and the situation could be like a tinder box if civilian casualties continue to grow. Obviously Petraeus is already an astute politician.
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22. At 11:38am on 29 Mar 2009, luosquery wrote:
#19
"Petraeus and many of his senior commanders have a PhD in subjects like international relations.."
Can we have a list, showing the subject and source of the degree?
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Petraeus has a doctorate from Princeton, faculty of of Public and International Affairs. Petraeus was in command in Iraq during the 'surge' and is now in command of CENTCOM which runs both the Iraq and Afghan wars.
Lt Col David Kilcullen: doctorate from the university of new south wales (he's Australian) his thesis is on applied ethnography in relation to counter insurgency in traditional societies in east timor. Kilcullen was one of the key counterinsurgency advisors for Petraeus in Iraq, he is now in Afghanistan.
Colonel Michael Meese: Phd from Princeton
Colonel Charlie Miller: PhD in political science, Columbia University
Lt Colonel Suzanne Nielson: PhD Harvard, political science, also has an MA.
There's more, but you can look them up yourself (if you know how). Be blowed if I'm doing it for you.
Petraeus is an academic, he skipped some apparently more senior officers to build a team of fellow academics (plus a few kick-butt soldiers to lead to fighting).
There's something new for you. You didn't know it because our media always tells you Americans are stupid, particularly the soldiers.
There are lots of other things they haven't told you as well.
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20. At 11:07am on 29 Mar 2009, ObsoleteExocet wrote:
..... But the real point I am making here is the Iraqi people have not won at all - in fact they have lost and lost heavily. .....
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I never said that the Iraqi people have won, I said the US has won.
I think people are confusing two questions:
1) 'has the US won the war?'
2) 'was it a good idea to have the war in the first place?'
Sounds like we disagree on the first question. We probably don't disagree on the second question.
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Accountable! Who? Pakistan?
A big joke. To run Pakistan, they want $. They just get US aid. 50% of the $ goes to politicians, 25% to ISI. From ISI the route is either Laskar or Taliban. After bread, Pakistan needs anti-Indian spirits to survive.
Less than 10% goes to military fighting with Al-kaida/Taliban, so that next lot of US aid should come. If Pakistan shows accountability, they stop their own incomming bread, hence not possible. Who will stop his own bread? Instead they can afford kill their own soldiers in the hands of Taliban/al-kaida, but not inform about the knowhows as US wants.
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#25
"Petraeus and many of his senior commanders have a PhD in subjects like international relations.."
Are colonels and Lt. colonels on the staff of a four-star general now called "senior commanders"?
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#26
I presume you mean a "win" under the Duckworth Lewis method where the US are behaving a bit like the West Indies cricket coach (couldn't quite find the right column), or perhaps one in which the match officials are part of a criminal betting syndicate based somewhere in Washington.
While the Iraqi "officials" continue doing what the US troops did before them then I don't think that quite adds up to a victory - not until the US are not there anymore anyway.
BTW your remark I first responded to was a bit more flourishing than just the US "win" - and as my response indicated was misleading.
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I just do not understand why we have to give chapter and verse as to the precise details of a strategy. We and everyone else now knows exactly what is going to happen and when and where, even with a map to show the exact location of the reinforcements. Also this info is given a thorough airing by the BBC interviewers who go into every detail covering the new strategy. The struggle in Afghanistan will never be over if we go on like this. Please stop telling the whole world what is going to happen next and where and when. It is awfully exasperating to see this detail on display all the time whatever conflict is going on. Obviously this information should not be for the public domain. Enough to say that new strategy's are in place. We don't need to know the details. They should be secret. This is so obvious that I should not have to be typing this. This is not a case of careless talk but of info that is preventing any progress and putting the soldiers' lives at risk. I am sure that they must feel very exposed and vulnerable. Please give them cover instead of adding to their risks. WE DON'T NEED TO KNOW.
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#25
"Petraeus is an academic, he skipped some apparently more senior officers to build a team of fellow academics"
I didn't realise Princeton handed out medals with PhDs.
As for his academic warfare strategies it is interesting that Petraeus was shot in the chest by one of his own soldiers who tripped over a loaded rifle. Seems quite apposite really given his track record for same side casualties.
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28. At 9:57pm on 29 Mar 2009, luosquery wrote:
#25
"Petraeus and many of his senior commanders have a PhD in subjects like international relations.."
Are colonels and Lt. colonels on the staff of a four-star general now called "senior commanders"?
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in #12 that you presented a stereotype that the US military were too stupid to understand something like withdrawing the ground troops and bombing AQ from the air. The reality is that the strategy is set by people like Petraeus (read again - he's the top guy) and his staff. They are far from stupid.
If you want ground commanders try officers like H.R. McMaster - he was a divisional commander in Iraq and has a PhD.
Unfortunately the media have spent the last 8 years promoting the stereotype that Americans are stupid. The media don't usually lie to you, but they do pick what they tell you. They won't tell you about things like the above because that is off message.
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31. At 04:16am on 30 Mar 2009, ObsoleteExocet wrote:
#25
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As for his academic warfare strategies it is interesting that Petraeus was shot in the chest by one of his own soldiers who tripped over a loaded rifle. Seems quite apposite really given his track record for same side casualties.
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If you feel a negligent discharge in a war proves someone is stupid, my guess is that would be the person with the rifle rather than the person that got hit.
I'm not aware he had a reputation for blue on blue casualties? Certainly the early stages of the 'surge' had significant increases in US casualties (reported) as they left out of town bases and engaged the insurgents. Later the US casualties dropped massively (unreported) as ordinary Iraqis started telling them where the IEDs were and the guys with the guns started patrolling alongside the soldiers rather than shooting at them. Having your former enemies fighting on your side is an example of a smart strategy.
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Winning the war was the easy bit. With vastly superior air power and weaponry even the US couldn't mess that one up. But having ousted al-Qaeeda in Afghanistan and Saddam in Iraq, it seems that we were hopelessly unprepared for what came next.
How much longer can we stay? It looks from the reporting that our forces are paralysed - they can't leave but there's nothing there they can usefully do, other than just shoot at shadows. The Taleban aren't stupid enough to engage our forces properly. They know they won't win. They'll just melt away into Pakistan and bide their time until we go. And when will that be? If we're waiting for some form of guarantee that whatever 'democratically elected' government we leave in either country will remain there for longer than a week after the forces leave, then I'm afraid we are going to be waiting for a very long time.
If I were Obama, I'd be pulling my troops out right now, praising them for winning the war, and congratulating Iraq and Afghanistan for their efforts in ushering in a new era of democracy. Sure, it would be like sticking a fake MOT on a complete write-off, but we're almost certainly going to do this anyway at some point in the future. Maybe if Clinton had got the job this might have happened. But Obama won't. He's too honourable. And that's precisely why the only way our troops will leave is in body bags.
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Obama like Bush has now realised that the only way to defeat the Taleban or any other terror group ,is to destroy them. In Iraq Britain, thanks to this Labour government's "winning hearts and minds "strategy meant British troops lost control of their sector and virtually gave the terror groups control of the British sector.In Afghanistan the same rules of engagement have applied and the enemy have been able to walk away from engagements and regroup, instead of being destroyed on the battlefield. This allows them to strike when it suits them and British soldiers die as a result.
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In response to dhimmi, removal of all foreign policy vistages of the Bush Administration while keeping Gates and the General are not necessarily mutually exclusive as your comment may suggest. Perhaps it is very pragmatic and shows a moderation on the part of the US President in ensuring the stability of the region during this transition period from full peacemaking occupation to eventual total withdrawal. Full changing of the military guard would be an open invitation to seasoned terrorists on all sides of Iraqi conflict including Sunni,Shiite, and Al Queda Sunnis, to work their mortal demogoguery.
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Obama is not out to destroy the Taliban. He wants to educate them to the fact that we as the citizenry of the US does not want to change their culture but for bringing it current with what is considered by most worldwide to be inalienable rights of health, education, and welfare, male or female, Sunni or Shiite, Muslim or not. The Taliban through its ignorance, inherited at least in part to the illiteracy of Mohammed, is being used by groups such as Al Queda in a totalitarian dogmatic way to spread Islam by making groups such as the Taliban believe that the ulterior motive of the west is to corrupt the totemic purity of Islamic peoples in all countries. In other words, we want their women, and then their Allah bestowed riches, which surely they believe are inextricable.
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This retired officer quotes a lot of inside information to illustrate that the generals are playing politics, rather than having anything other than intentions of long term occupation in Afghanistan.
Further, he shows how the combat brigades are to remain in Iraq, but to be renamed as training units.
See what you think:
http://www.atlargely.com/2009/03/yes-we-have-no-bananastan.html
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The biggest obstacle to peace within Iraq is and has always been the Iraqi Parliament. War reparations are in order.
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Maybe once Iraq is made to pay up, Afghanistan will fall into line concerning quality of life issues such as equal education and social mobility whether male or female.
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#33
It really doesn't matter what I think, except that you need to get your facts straight. The incident in which Petraeus was shot was not "war" it was a training exercise using live rounds. Petraeus' whole strategy, at the time and subsequently, was around training, training, training, to prevent such events happening. That may explain why, in his eyes, "accidents" happen but "mistakes" do not. There is no word about why the loaded weapon was in such a position as to be discharged "accidentally".
#37
It is arrogant of anyone to believe they have discovered the "only way", and worse to try to impose their ideals on others. We have had plenty of examples of what goes wrong when you go into "god" mode. I am all for every person having a right to vote with a real choice of "ideals" they can choose instead of our wafer thin, non-democratic parody that we think is so "perfect". It has long been established that there are many "free" people who do not go along with the American dream or how it has turned out. Capitalism and freedom do not run along the same road anymore than does communism, socialism or even totalitarianism.
Put a proper choice of constitutions to the people of Iraq and Afghanistan and see what happens. That way all of us will know what the indigenous population find acceptable, rather than having the US tell them what they are going to get. Of course there is a risk that it'll all go pear shaped but isn't there some honour in defeat that way?
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As a "nuclear state", the instability of Pakistan represents the greatest potential threat to international peace. Will the international community take action, if extremist fanatics get their hands on Pakistan's nuclear weapons and delivery systems? If so, what action will they take? Does the US, for example, have a plan to invade to preclude such an eventuality? After all, we KNOW weapons of mass destruction ARE there THIS time.
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#42
It is an important point and one that Obama must grapple with in the knowledge that western forces are stretched too far and without strategic cohesiveness. The knee jerk reaction post 9/11 to finding bin Laden was always going to place the US at a disadvantage given the history of Afghanistan and its neighbours. The ambition to secure cheap oil at whatever human cost was never going to be as effective as choosing a more measured and thoughtful approach to the Middle East. Joined up thinking (as the new buzz phrase goes)has been absent from global strategy for too long in a world where we no longer have clear cut enemies except for ourselves.
History may one day demonstrate how stupid we were to hunt down and dispose of Saddam Hussein when all we really did was turn an ally into an enemy. That sent out the message that today's world is fickle unless you happen to be passionate or obsessive in whatever it is you believe. Terrorists have always been either passionate or obsessive (depending on point of view) in their desire to destabilise and that is why it is wrong to be fickle in challenging them.
There are far too many fickle leaders and fickle regimes for the world to continue as it is, and many of those who will toss a coin before taking action are too close to home for us to be complacent about it. The world needs a strong and charismatic leader and unfortunately we do not have one. The folly is to believe that Obama is here to change any of it. Maybe one day he'll be a fit man to lead but I do not believe that time is now. That may be the bitterest pill we all have to swallow.
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# 43 Makes great sense!
I am interested in hearing whether US troops in Iraq are simply being "relabeled" and will remain
and whether the occupation of Afghanistan is really to be permanent.
Recall the three objection of the Mid-Eastventure" oil, Israel and advanced bases!
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#44 Of course:
the three objectives of the Mid-East Venture!
Oil, Israel and advanced bases.
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Union of Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Only solution to present problem of Instability in Afghanistan and Pakistan is in the Union of Afghanistan and Pakistan, based on the basics principles of Democracy in which Government should be composed of representatives of all sections of society and regions, No one will be dominant to each other, and that country will be easily governable by Government, In history Durani Empire was composed of all areas in which today Pakistan and Afghanistan are located, During Mughal Empire both Afghanistan and Pakistan were a single country, During initial period of British Empire they were also same country, During British Empire, some vested interest forces kept at distance to both these lands from each other , Due to which borders between these two countries have become hiding place for criminals of both countries and theft automobiles and others stolen assets are stored in this region, this large uncontrollable region is basis of many evils , Narcotics are grown in these areas ,and addiction of which is destroying youths and humanity and due to poverty and non development, people are going towards extremism and militancy, Union of both countries will make the single government of this region more responsible in stabilizing the region and in satisfying the nationalistic pride of people and people will be able to serve humanity as other large nations of world are serving the humanity, other wise this region will always remain as a nuisance for world, as this region already has destroyed Soviet Union it may also take down to western world which will be a great blow to development of Science and Technology specially Medical science.
Advantages to world.
Control of Terrorism:
Instability in this region is causing great damage to humanity, soldiers of USA and NATO are sacrificing their lives just to eliminate Terrorists from these countries, while by unification it will become sole responsibility of the people and government of unified nation to control terrorists and it will be more convenient for that government to administer as there will be unity in chain of command.
Control of Extremism:
As unified nation will be composed of multiethnic groups such as Punjabies,Sindhies,Baloachs, Pukhtoons,Urdu speakers,Tajiks, Persians and Hazaras and will be composed of multisectarian society such as Sunni and Shiites it will become impossible for any ethnic group or religious sect to find any future in extremism
Stabilization of Region:
Although now a days in this region there is problem of terrorism but infact from a long time (about 50 years) this region is suffering from instability, reason is that people of this region are finding no hope and future for themselves due to division of this region and interference of large nations such as Soviet Union, USA, China and India but when the people of this region were unified at the time of Durani Empire this region was stable and same was case during Mughal Empire..
As there are three main groups in Asia i.e. Chinese, Hindues and Muslims. Chinese and Hindues are satisfied with their Dominion states of China and India, but as there is no large state of Muslims in Asia while their numerical population is greater than Chinese and Hindues, therefore Muslims are suffering from distress which is causing instability and irritation in common Muslims, therefore by creation of a unified state of Pakistan and Afghanistan a sense of satisfaction and respect with the existence of a national state will be achieved
Solution to Economic Problems.
At present both countries are burden on other countries and in fact are a barrier in exploring the resources of Central Asia by world. After stabilization it will be useful for not only for Central Asia and World but also for the new unified nation itself
Advantages to Pakistan:
It was the vision of Founder of Pakistan Quaid-e-Azam to unify region of West Pakistan with Afghanistan and East Pakistan with Malysia and Indonesia and that is still the need of time.
• By unification with Afghanistan, areas which are included in Pakistan will be stabilized, and migration of people from disturbed areas will be stopped,
• Law and order situation due to smuggling of weapons from Afghanistan will come to an end.
• Similarly illicit drug trade will be minimized.
• Whole areas of Pukhtoons speaking population will become unified and which will be helpful for development of culture and language of that group which is now divided in two nations.
• Security measures expenses on borders will be minimized which may be used for welfare of people.
• Interference of other nations in this region will be stopped.
• Due to historical and unique region and having importance for Buddhism and Hindues religion, tourism industry will be flourished and business activity in the region will be increased,
Advantages to Afghanistan:
• By unification status of Afghanistan as land lock country will come to an end, and Union will increase the freedom of people of Afghanistan for travel and economic activity,
• Extremism and terrorism will come to and end, as the people will become more engaged and involved in adjusting themselves in new union. it will increase the utilization of raw products of Afghanistan ,
• Security and military expenses will be minimized,
• Doors of job for people of Afghanistan in Pakistan will opened ,the desire of unification of people of Afghanistan with people of Pakistan will be fulfilled.
• Shortage of food products in Afghanistan will be decreased and it will increase the utilization of raw products of Afghanistan in the region.
• Due to linkage of central Asia via Afghanistan, will cause extraordinary development in the whole region.
From all above points it is clear that unification of Pakistan and Afghanistan will be fruitful for every one and for world at large by each and every angle.
Written By:
M.AKRAM KHAN
Baldia Town,Karachi.Pakistan.
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The occupation of Afghanistan, I suspect, will be as permanent as long as bin Laden and or Al Queda remain at large. On the issue of US objectives in the ME, you have two out of three. Under the prior administration, you would have been batting one thousand. Under the Obama administration, oil is not an interest. As to Israel, the US considers the ME plight to be both a human interest and a special interest that must be pacified. Jewish people have huge international media influence, are over represented in American and in global society as a whole, represent a potential for mobilization of huge voting blocks as well as huge amounts campaign funds. In other words, they are influencial private and public constituents of our US system of governance. Many people may not realize that they are significant constituents within even Muslim country systems of governance. Finally, we would like more advanced strategic bases to defend ourselves and the rest of international society from the ravages of all religious extremism, at this time, particularly from the Muslim world.
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What must also be realized is that under the current adminsitration, Palestinian interests in the ME are just as important as Israeli. This is a policy position mandated by the US people through their election of Obama.
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What makes one think that either would be amenable to such unification? Even one from Pakistan?
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#46
What I like about this piece is that it seeks to "join up" people rather than the "divide and rule" attitude prevalent for the past three decades or more. We have seen divide and rule punch huge holes in robust communities to the point where some groups of people have been literally destroyed.
For over four hundred years the planet has been busy culling what stands in the way of "progress" whilst it deals in corruption, blood money, reprisals and autocracy in all but ultimate identity. We have seen leaders preen those who collaborate and remove those who do not. The dirty deals driven by financial interest have left the global map in tatters when it comes to understanding who trusts whom. Gone are the days when you could tell the way a country stood on many disparate subjects simply from its history. Now it is difficult to see relationships lasting any longer than the average civil marriage.
I would welcome anything that brings lasting security, peace and a share of wealth to those who work hardest for it - the ordinary citizen. That has not been achieved by any western power. If Pakistan and Afghanistan bucked the trend and taught the rest of the world something then I am all for it.
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#43
The single mindedness of the terrorist as compared to the duplicity of democratic governments is an excellent dichotomy to make. To move the focus away from the elected seats of power towards the unelected "rabble" has long been a tactic to protect collaboration, dirty deals, corruption, and worse. The use of insurgency has been a tactic from deepest history. The infiltration of small groups of passionate "freedom fighters" to guide or mislead has been one of the more successful ways of "disturbing" comfort zones.
Couple that with the "shock, horror" of a new "religious super-power bent on brainwashing everyone" and you can see how the status quo manipulates thinking over decades. Fueled by fuzzed up academic journalists (unable to see the big picture) with black ink and big letters at the ready the conditioning of loyal subjects is an easy task to accomplish.
What if the ideals of the western powers are completely and utterly wrong? What if our democracies are a complete charade only obvious to those who despise it that deeply they will never succumb? What if "freedom fighters" are right and the rest "wrong"? What if Islam could unite the world at peace?
I do not pose these questions to incite. I pose them simply to step back and put a wider focus on why we can never truly trust what our leaders tell us.
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Afganisthan cannot be won untill you have Afgans in your army.USSR tried in 1973 and USA in 2001.....Reach to the heart of common Afgan and win hearts in Afganisthan.........
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The BBC described G20 protesters as anti-capitalist. No doubt some were. However this reporting was incorrect as many were not in this camp. Also, isn’t it odd that the money being pumped into banks is suddenly taxpayers' money but the same taxpayers' money is not mentioned when they are reporting about public projects that we are funding. Sorry to post this here but I can’t find an appropriate blog and official complaints do not work at the moment.
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So the Afghani situation continues. When will the world powers learn that Afghanistan is imposible to control.
Time to pull out and let the Afghanis rule themselves, I note that Bankrupt Brown is offering more toops we can not afford to the Afghanistan war. What we need is less interferance in others businsee and more attention to the UK, then may be things would be better.
We can not afford a war, we can not afford this government or the EU either.
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I listened to the Obama because he tells it how it is its the media that sees it differently like this country those who are leaders do as their masters tell them and everything is in place so they can not do anything differently like Blair set all this up then gave Gordon a go at playing MP but he has never been voted in so what he says means nothing. Well Obama is the same the man wants to do something different but can not liked this nuclear free world the USA set it up using it on Japan not once but twice to make sure that Russia got the message that they were the super power so everyone went and stocked up on WMD but Iraq had none and it was known by all Governments and guess what they got attacked by the countries whom they attacked Iran for, the motto is never trust the USA Govenment. Will the USA and UK who in 2008 sold Israel £27 million of WMD is this what Blairs true mission is in the Middle East after all the Friends of Israel (labour) see him as a true of off them a Zionist, The idea that one man can control those who want to set the New World Order in motion is a fool, this is what Hitler was after and the world leaders then were all for it those who have to much money and power are dangerous if allowed to rules and have such dreams the few totally ruling the many, mind blowing.
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When the Federal Reserve or other international counterpart, say the World Bank, or the IMF, prints money for projects, insurance bailouts, or the like, it is not taxpayer money, it is banking money which accumulates interest on the dollar, US, Euro, or otherwise. In the western world, governments generally do not print their own money but rather the national banks within respective countries or an international consortium thereof. The minute that money is injected into the economy of said respective nations, interest is owed to the banks for the printing of the money. So, the bottom line is that in some cases, this is not taxpayer money except at most, indirectly, through government payment of interest on units of currency.
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#53
You make a very cogent point.
For years the BBC has behaved like a "business" under New Labour and Tory mantras. But it isn't a "business" it is a Public Broadcasting SERVICE. The transition may seem irrelevant but is it? What if "business" style journalism thrives on being competitive, of picking its running mates carefully, and of not daring to bite the hand that feeds it (the Government)? Isn't that a significant departure from being a "service" to the people who fund it via the license fee?
I also listen carefully to what the BBC have to say, and there is distinct bias in their coverage of many, many issues. They try to fool us into believing they are "balanced" by lobbing the odd few seconds into the opposing point of view but it is simply gestures.
If one compares the attitude of the BBC towards the demonstrators on Wednesday to their keen need to cover Obama one hundred percent AND live, you get the sense that those who spent the day marching peacefully may just as well have stayed at home. The BBC looked only at the "rent-a-mob" actions as if to take a wholly sanctimonious approach to demonstrations.
It would be nice if, for once, the BBC treated these "minorities" as they do the ethnic, religious, cultural and sexual orientation groups that can do "no wrong" in their eyes. The BBC are no longer worthy of our license fees. They make it obvious they want to run with the commercial wolves and I have no problem with that as long as they give me my cash back for letting me down over the last decade. It's time BBC that you stopped begging me to pay your blackmail money just to keep your lie running.
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It has always been difficult to fault the arguments against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. There have been many attempts to justify these war politically and strategically but they all founder on legality and morality. It has taken commercial outlets (like Channel Four in particular) to make serious effects to inform the public as to the futility of the western allies in talking up regime change when we all know that oil and revenge are still all that matter. Now that Pakistan enters the equation it is even more important for the media to up the ante to prevent horrendous mistakes being made. The lives of seriously large numbers of people are at stake. Indeed we could be seeing the seeds of a future nuclear war being sown.
With that backdrop one may ask why the BBC has not had the courage or will to express the wholly worthy arguments against Obama and NATO. As has been expressed many times now the BBC has stopped playing the analytical hand in favour of obsequious gestures of support for the "first black president". We hear the cries of "listen to the man", "he has the crowds in the palm of his hand", "charisma oozes out of him", just like the frightened rabbit caught in the beams of headlights just before it is flattened. And these are from journalists behaving more like those who herald the "second coming" instead of keeping their feet on the ground. Obama is a man, vulnerable, fallible, and potentially culpable, but, unfortunately for him, carrying "originality" in the colour of his skin. It is a huge mistake for his supporters to load his shoulders (and his potential) via this purely chance identity.
The BBC has completely lost objectivity and so why should it hold on to its public service franchise? Let it go and replace it with something very much more modest for the public sector role. Let us have an alternative to the host of public and commercial outlets that are crowded into the same slim philosophical groupings that besets all our political representatives. The BBC is a monolithic structure of the order that only privilege and indulgence can create. It is past its sell by date and it needs to be replaced with something that can exist on much more modest income in keeping with the lifestyles of the majority it serves NOT the minority it fawns to.
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any policy any plan won't work unless all parties involved give serious consideration to geo-political situation in afghanistan, it includes its history, culture, economic and political background. now at this milestone usa shdnt abondone afghan in the middle. dont forget afghanistan is a society on this same earth. we can ignore it but cant deny it.
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It'll be three-quarters of a decade next Tuesday (Apr 7) since the operation started. Take yourself back to June 1987, when the Soviets were at that stage: they could have shown us the same picture of a friendly regime governing Kabul, of schools, roads or hospitals being built (often to replace the ones destroyed by our Mujahideen friends). But we preferred to turn the TV cameras on the untiring "freedom fighters" and their readiness to fight the foreign intruders to the end. What would we see if we looked at the situation the same way today? Probably much the same. And while the President's "surge" will doubtless stabilise the situation for the US in the medium term, the lesson from Iraq is that its effects only last if you can win over some of the people you're fighting against. That's going to be a bitter pill given what they stand for. If only we'd left the Russians to drag the country into the 20th century back in the 1980s.
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Obama's true colours can be seen from the strident condemnation of North Korea's possible missile launch. He has inherited the same hypocrisy as his predecessors. Whilst "friendly" powers can spread the US nets ever wider it is not OK for a "dissident" power to try to do the same.
It doesn't matter what colour there is on the map the same old double standards apply.
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#62
It is of inestimable value to look back at history, especially of the turbulence that has been a feature of Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and the remnants of the old Soviet Union. The west has never set itself realistic targets in these regions and this latest forage is no different. The Soviet Union's "Great Game" with Britain over Afghan territories went on for decades, and Afghanistan benefited from heavy Soviet investment for twenty years from the mid-fifties prior to the fights against the Mujahideen.
The Coalition should learn from this. They are repeating the doses, using the same failed medicines, and choosing the same virus to attack without having anything like the anti-viral solutions. The victims all along appear to be the indigenous, peaceful Afghans but are they so fussed about the Mujahideen? The US has already watered down the power of women in Iraq to less than that held under Saddam Hussein so what serious alternatives are they offering Afghanistan's female population?
The US arguments supporting their continued presence in both Iraq and Afghanistan are disingenuous in the extreme. They are simply not interested in "peace" unless that "peace" supports Washington. It is simply not possible to have a majority of these two countries feeling that way and the US should consider that long and hard above anything else.
It is time for the United Nations to get to grips with the US and NATO and pull them into line. Give the area a chance to sort its own problems without removing the investment needed to offer the populace a chance of rebuilding their lives. I am sure that both countries have had quite enough violence already.
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#18 jon112uk
The war has not been won. Just viewing the entire thing as being somthing that can be won or lost makes any following statement you make somthing to be held as suspect.
Why does Iraq not have a Shia pro Iran government? Iraq is 65% Shia in population, as such it does not have a democrasy. They voted for sure but the only choice they had were US vetted politicians most of which were criminals previously exiled from Iraq.
So the US is still dictating politics and is still hated and is still at war.
Iraq is also highly iradiated, around 35 tonnes of depleted uranium has fallen on Iraqi soil Iradiating the civillians and US/UK sodliers. Sad really, i hope no US/UK soldiers serving in Iraq expect to father any children when they come home. Because they won't be able too.
Also the fact the baghdad nuclear research facility was not secured means lots of radioactive waste found its way to god knows where.
You think the US has 'won'? Your deluded.
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Obamas Afghan strategy is and will be similar to Bush's. In any event in 100 years the majority of countries will have a muslim leader and the world will be a much more religious place dominated by muslims. In simple terms those who pray 42 times a week will always be more powerful than those who dont and those who try to pray once a week.The biggest challenge the world faces is to ensure that religion is not associated with Government and politics however this is a challenge that is constnatly being lost with the constant change of Governments worldwide.
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It will take a lot more than his speech to Turkish parliament to convince people that the US are not anti-Islam. In fact it will need the US to divorce itself from the more extreme Jewish elements that have been stoking the fires for far too long. If Obama can change the way the US thinks via its media then he may have a chance of making the world safer, but it is a hard and very lonely road ahead.
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#60 fillandfrowpist
An excellent summation! Well said!
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HI names k.A and i might have a good point on this Obama might be doing the right thing how ever im not here to talk about Afgan. I'm here to say that North Korea will be setting up another nuke which will hit central Europe I got this from my self i always know things that are about to happen and the nuke on sunday was just a distance test it wasn't a satellite or any other type of thing it was a test to see if it will have long enough range to reach American West Coast. So please listen to this message do not persuade the pressing on North Korea because if Nato and UN keep pressuring this Kim Jon Ill Will launch the next nuke onto central Europe
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#62
I agree. You will see from some earlier entries that there are people who think the war is "won" in Iraq. Perhaps it suits their political affiliation or their regard for the US, but it isn't a true reflection of the position Iraq finds itself in. As has been suggested already we do not know what would happen if no Coalition troops were in either Iraq or Afghanistan. Would it be better or worse? And who is best place to make that assessment? Certainly not the Coalition forces or their political masters.
In essence the Coalition have kept changing the pictures fed to their people in keeping with what they are currently seeking and so the objective continues to change, often slightly but change nonetheless. That is not the way to conduct a war. Imposition of an unwelcome Constitution would not be acceptable were this any other regime except the US. Iraq's democracy has to be tested out in the cold light of day with no hidden deals, unpleasant pressures, or foreign troops on the scene. There must be no foreign propaganda. Is that going to happen? The answer is no, because Iraq has become a strategic area which will attract Iran, Pakistan and others once the US leaves.
Wars never settle anything - they simply delay the peace.
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First of all, Bush had no Afghanistan foreign policy but rather a misplaced Iraq policy. The US under Obama does not believe the war in Iraq has been won. There are no winners when the sons of a country's ruler are hunted down in bounty hunter, dead or alive fashion, in contradiction to the tenets of US democracy. Likewise, Saddam, himself, got the short end of the stick or rope, if you will, in terms of due process, both procedural and substantive. Then, to conclude on the firstly, there are no winners in a conflict involving genocide, mortal religious factionalism, and loss of life of troops whether US and or Iraqi. Secondly, Obama was one of the only Senators against the Iraq war. It is largely his position in opposition to the Iraqi conflict that got him elected President. Third, the seeds of all out nuclear conflict had been planted long before the Obama election to the Presidency. Thank you Dickie Chainee with all of his defense industry interests, misinformation, and bad advice to the former President. Afghanistan and Pakistan, in that order, is where our focus, US and global, should have been from the onset. Here, there really is no Afghanistan strategy beyond the limited focus of capture, preferably, or termination of bin Laden, if not already deceased, or, in the alternative, the complete physical, political, paramilitary, and ideological dismantling of Al Queda. It would be nice if the Taliban advanced to the twenty first century by enabling females to be educated on an equal par as males. But, we are not there to mandate such commonsensical human rights advances. However, at least while there to quash bin Laden and or Al Queda to avenge nine eleven, the US military will not just stand by and watch schools with females be burned, have females stoned to death, or the inhumane like. Diane Sawyer did a special in which the Taliban in Pakistan publicly paddled a women for being alone with a man. Though there may have been international public outcry about that type of public punishment and its reason, it was and so appeared to be docile compared to the horrific events that all know take place at the hands of Pakistani and Afghani Taliban. It is my opinion that the Obama administration is not out to play the international politically correct police but that it has and will continue to have the narrow focus of addressing a political, religious, and paramilitary environment within Pakistan and Afghanistan that pose more than just an ideological threat to the US and the international community, but rather national security threats to countries throughout the globe.
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the way Pakistan is being handled by the US President Mr. Obama's Policies which are not different from the Ex-President Bush Policies, are not welcome to the government and people of Pakistan. On one side they told our agencies to make agreement with Talibans and share information with US authorities, and on the other hand there are Drone Attacks on Pakistani Tribal Areas which as a result worsens the living conditions of a mere Pakistani living in cities like Lahore, Karachi and Islamabad. People have a fear to go to their jobs or any other public places. No matter that India is 1000% involve with talibans to make living situations of living people more miserable.
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#71
#46 in this blog makes an impassioned plea for the reuniting of Afghanistan and Pakistan, a situation that existed prior to the Great Game. The Pashtun have their roots in Eastern Iran and have long settled in the areas now encompassed by Pakistan. Their culture and religious beliefs have only become a focus of western politicians as a convenience in the "War on Terror", especially when the UK/USA duplicity over Saddam Hussein was exposed. Did Blair and Bush think about the longer term cost of their illegal invasions and wars? Were they and their military advisers even aware that the "war" may have repercussions far beyond securing cheap oil? Did they seriously believe that they could overcome Pashtun resistance and terminate AQ? Or were the US and UK administrations carried away by (the unsolved mysteries of) 9/11? Blair and Bush were seriously well matched - average IQ's, self seeking, self serving, and surrounded by "yes men". Their "can do" regimes were every bit a match for Hitler's "can do" henchmen. So what was "their plan"? They didn't have one. Bush and Blair majored in expedience, opportunism, and deceit. As long as we "look good" today, tomorrow will take care of itself. And look what happened to the economics as a result?
So what of Obama? Well did the Republican's put up a serious challenger (given the economic crash did they want to)? Did the Democrat's (stupidly) seize their opportunity to field a black and a female candidate thus hedging their bets? So the opportunism didn't stop with Bush, it has continued. We need to know what Obama's long term plan is - and we are waiting, waiting, waiting.....
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The former President's Pakistani policy was not always the same as the current policy under the Obama administration. Remember Musharref. It appears that he may have been at least significantly responsible for the Bhuto murder and that he was at least complicitous in harboring bin Laden and or international Al Queda fugitives. It appeared as those he was fostering an environment within the region that would justify more and more US military aid, supplies, weapons and the like, solidifying his stronghold on the country of Pakistan. Divide and conquer was his MO and honest elections did not fit into a political environment that would be conducive to what was essentially his tyrannical rule of the country and people of Pakistan. The US was appearing to be hypocrites wanting democratic reform in Muslim countries while yet putting the same pressure upon Pakistani heads of State. To me, no wonder we in the US had been the object of so much Pakistani militant mortal vehemence. Even the Bush administration had to change. Obama is just following through on a Pakistan policy that evolved under the prior administration to one in which he as a democratic idealist would be in agreement.
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The man has been in office less than ninety days. Does one think it is stupid to field a black and or female Presidential candidate? I don't and I am a Republican. Louisiana has a Republican governor who is an US citizen of apparently Pakistani or East India, that is from India, descent. He will one day be their nominee for President. Would that be stupid? I do not think so and neither does the US public. In terms of ethnic, religious, and racial tolerance, we have grown by leaps and bounds in our short time of just over 200 years of national establishment. What is the excuse of much older national sovereignties, particularly those possessing nuclear weapons and nuclear weapons strikes capacity?
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SELLING THE (AF-PAK) WAR!
Buying the (20th) August Election
Now, what we have here are a lot of Pentagon Propagandist from the American Empire selling the (Af-Pak) War, and the (UK) United Kingdom, and the elections of (20th) August are the target, without British Armed Forces the (Af-Pak) War is a non-starter, the American Empire has to pull out every stop, and pay any price to purchase the election and make no mistake about that, without the (UK) purchased support, it remains the American Empires War on Islam.
CENTRAL ASIAN PIPELINE
(Af-Pak) War the reason
The entire reason why the “American Empire” is in Afghanistan has nothing to do with terrorism and everything to do with natural resources, in this case (NG) natural gas from Turkmenistan which is rich in hydrocarbons and the building of the “Central Asian Pipeline” system transporting (NG) across Afghanistan to the ports of Pakistan, Karachi, and round the globe in (LG) Liquid Gas from, to waiting markets, with a branch line to supply the needs of India.
The Russian Federation Support
Now, the “American Empire” believes that the Russian Federation is willing to provide assistance in the (Af-Pak) War against Islam due to its fear of the Islamic threat posed to its boarders, and that could not be farther from the truth. The real reason is than in the end The Russian Federation knows that the “American Empire” can never hope to win, as it will be generations of warfare, and will bring down the “American Empire” economically, and be its second Vietnam, placing Turkmenistan back under the entire Sphere of the Russian Federation along with the “Central Asian Pipeline”. The Russian Federation is in a win/win situation, the “American Empire” leaves it obtains the “Central Asian Pipeline”, the “American Empire” stays and fights, it will lose, both militarily and economically, and the Russian Federation still wins. The losers will be those with large case reserves of “American Empire” Treasure Bill’s and Dollars, worthless pieces of paper.
King David H. Betray “US”
King David H. Betray “US”, the Butcher of Islam, and his staff have been referred to as the cream of the crop do to each having a (PhD.), meaning they when to college all the way and are able to write a thesis paper, good for them, all it means is they know how to PILED HIGH AND DEEP, they are book warriors. Now, the warriors they are coming up against are not book worm warriors they are intuitive warriors, they many never have learned how to read a book, and learned the Koran by Wrote, but they know their lands and they know their enemy, they know how he thinks, they know before they act what that action will be, then take their enemy to their battle ground and fight them on their terms. One of the greatest warriors of all history led (2) two American Armies with college educated officers around and around, was a College of Hard Knocks, Chief of the Chiricahua tribe of the Apache Nation GERONIMO. King David H. Betray US will fight by the book, More Money, More Time, More Troops, and Mission Creep, and his enemy will survive off the terrain, take their time, use fewer Islamic Freedom Fighters apply superior tactics, while adjusting to the mission, with patience, fortitude, love of their land, trust in their leaders, and faith in their God, and when they enter Paradise yet another Islamic Freedom Fighter will step up to take their place, day after day, week after week, year after year, decade after decade, never ending., Bet on it!
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@75
Just a few points to calm your excitement.
1. Obama is a product of your middle classes, a chip off the old block, so to speak. Do you think no one in the Democratic party machine said "...and he is black..."? That is how far you haven't come in 200 years. Clinton is from a strong political background but was not popular with many ordinary people. Do you think no one in the Democratic party machine said "...and she is a woman..."? That is how far you haven't come in 200 years. Do you think the Republicans looked at Sarah Palin and thought "Goodness gracious she is tougher than steel and a good looker too."? The USA produces the glossiest cover images it can to the world but the gloss doesn't last once you are inside the book.
2. Your presidential elections go on and on and on, and all the candidates are pretty much psyched up on everything before they even get to nomination. Obama did his "world tour"; do you think he was playing dumb until 21.1.09? It takes a few moments to make a decision and so ninety days is long enough to make an awful lot of them. But of course he has all his advisers to think about some of whom served Bush too.
3. The main point about racism is that it goes away only when the colour of someone's skin matters not one iota - so how come the USA made such a big deal about Obama? Read MLK's speeches and maybe you'll get the message. The main point about gender is that it goes away when it doesn't matter what gender the other person is or what they look like. I think you'll find that the USA is very self conscious when it comes to gender, looks and images.
But the biggest problem the US has is itself. It is so unsure of its core values that it has to "show its pride" to the rest of the world, just as the UK has its ceremony and pageant. Most western countries have the same problem and that is why they do not understand the Islamic states. You have at least four years of Obama and so I am not surprised you'll come to his defence. He is Your President after all.
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Anarchists were blowing up themselves and others 100 years ago. It was handled as a police matter.
Is there any serious belief that eliminating hostiles in Afghanistan and Pakistan will stop terrorism?
Perhaps the entire "military option" is bad strategy?
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(PPPPP)
(PPPP) Power, Politics, Petroleum, and Petraeus, and the Plan, represents the dynamics of the (Af-Pak) War on Islam;
THE POWER ISRAEL: The Power behind the Empire, is the (51st) State, Tip of the Spear, Manager State of the Islamic Crescent, the Eastern Half of the American/Israeli Empire.
THE POLITICS (AIPAC/AZC): which thru its political arm (AIPAC/AZC) American Israel Public Affairs Committee/American Zionist Council, a (100K) One-hundred membership Jewish lobbyists group, control the (544) Imperial Court of the Empire, Its just two members of the same statist party fighting over whose friends will get the favors, Richard Epstein on (The Big Two) American political parties
THE PETROLEUM: is the product most sought;
(1) The Nabucco gas pipeline: which is to be laid through the territories of the Former Soviet Republic of (Georgia), into, Azerbaijan into the strategic Northwest Iranian territory or Shi-ite Persian Iran were currently (4) four- million Kurds are concentrated in Iran, waiting to declare a Kurdish state, and with Russian peacekeepers in place to protect the new formed Kurdish state from Georgian or Iranian aggression, onto Turkey and the Tabriz refinery, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary and Austria to connect Europe.
(2) The Central Asian Pipeline: from Turkmenistan which is rich in hydrocarbons and the building of the “Central Asian Pipeline” system transporting (NG) across Afghanistan to the ports of Pakistan, Karachi, and round the globe in (LG) Liquid Gas from, to waiting markets, with a branch line to supply the needs of India.
(3) The Caspian Sea Basin: to supply the Nabucco Pipeline with it’s estimated at (7.25 Trn.Cu.Mts.) Seven-two-five trillion cubic meters, yet to be developed underneath the Caspian Sea, along with (1/5th) One-fifth, (20%) Twenty-Percent of the remaining global oil reserves.
PETRAEUS
King David H. Betray US, the Butcher of Islam, represents the (extension of politics by other means, Karl von Clausewitz). Follow the pipelines and follow the action;
(1) THE FORMER SOVIET REPUBLIC OF GEORGIA: The Former Soviet Republic of Georgia, Gen. David (Betray Us) Petraeus, trained three (3) Battalions of Georgians in Iraq, to prepare Georgian troops for service in Iraq and intended (NATO) North Atlantic Treaty Organization membership, the (3) Battalions of Georgians made up the third largest national contingent, behind the (US/MIC) and (UK) United Kingdom troops, in Iraq.
At the same time an additional a (2) Battalion combined force of (BWI/IDF) Blackwater Inc. Mercenaries and Israeli Defense Force, (18K) eighteen hundred, troops, were training, (2) Battalions of Georgians in the former Soviet Republic of Georgia by. Were “Betray Us” conducted joint war game mock exercise’s between the (2) Battalions of Georgians, and (2) Two Battalions, some (1,650) troops from the United States Army. The joint Georgian-American military exercised had been held in mid-July, three weeks before the conflict. The (2) Battalions of United States Army troops were withdrawn, just prior to the Georgian Invasion of the Georgian attacked Tskhinvali, and breakaway states of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, as a show of force, but so much for a show of force as it turned into a major military defeat.
(2) (Af-Pak) War: Tony Blair: To be truthful about it, there was no way we could have got the public consent to have suddenly launched a campaign on Afghanistan but for what happened on September (11th), (http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2003/sep/06/september11.iraq) 'Defense Secretary John Hutton told BBC radio in an interview broadcast Saturday that it was "very possible" that extra European contributions to the Afghan mission would be agreed, and that a further expansion of the (U.K. military) presence remained possible, the (UK) has, (8,600) eight-thousand-six hundred troops located in, (Kabul, Kandahar, Helmand), Afghanistan. Operation (UK) Temporary Uplift
UNITED KINGDOM: The (“TEMPORARY UPLIFT”) of between (500-700) five to seven hundred increasing Britain’s military strength there to about (9K) Nine-Thousand, for a four month period until British elections to be held on August 20 , with a planned withdrawal of all British Forces upon completion of the elections.
But, the “Imperial Media Messiah” by way of Robert Gibbs, the White House spokesman, the largest contingent of that force will be ... from Britain." (900) Nine-hundred troops will come from the (UK).
The long-term plan of adding (2K) Two-Thousand, British troops to the (Af-Pak) Conflict bring British troop levels to (10K), Ten-thousand, has NO! Political chance or support.
THE PLAN
Simple buy the United Kingdoms Political Support by buying he August (20th) Elections.
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Regardless of whether the occupation of Afghanistan was justified or not we are where we are.
How do we come to a relatively successful conclusion i.e. relative stabiity in the area leading to the return of our troops?
Currently two factors are making matters worse rather than better.
1. The Af/Pak border is virtually non existent on the ground(Drawn right through the middle of a tribal/national grouping.)
2. Forces in Hellmand are spread far too thinly and have too many concurrent tasks to perform to be able to achieve any one effectively.
Therefor the answer is, superficially, to increase the boots on the ground. This will only work, however, if it is done in close co-operation with diplomatic and structural recovery teams, properly following the "inkspot theory" where the military pacify and hold an area to allow the civilian teams to improve the inhabitants lives.
The other area is for closer liason with the Pakistani military and a diplomatic push for the purging of ISI. This will cut funding for the radical groups based in Pakistan who can feed cannon fodder into Afghanistan and so help keep the country in anarchy.
Also buy the opium direct from the farmers and then persuade them onto other crops using large subsidies.
On the subject of perceived American trigger happiness. During the second world war British units mutinied rather than serve in the line next to American forces. To my mind this is rooted in the U.S. militaries taking of Clauswitz principle of friction too literaly and therefor not going the extra mile to avoid blue on blue.
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#80
I think you are right about the border. Of course it hasn't moved an inch in a long time and so one wonders what Bush and Blair were thinking about before they went in guns-a-blazing. Some diplomacy with Pakistan at the time would not have been wasted. It proves that there was no "long term plan" just a show of military might that went decidedly wrong.
The mistake now is to try to separate out the entities in this region. They are closely linked together with more than just historical culture to bind them together. Their lifestyles are similar, as are their beliefs and their structures. They form a formidable opposition to western style political and military pressure.
To piece this together the west must be honest about their goals. If it is oil and gas pipelines (which it almost certainly is) then be honest with their own people and ensure that their citizens are behind them. Without that the US is just begging for another Vietnam, and, at the moment, that is what they have got.
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THE FULCRUM OF HISTORY
Islamic Religious Pivot
Both in Afghanistan and in the Pakistani tribal (area’s/ territories), where some of the most wanted jihadists are thought to be hiding, the (AIE) American Israeli Empire is up against a centuries-old tradition called (pashtunwali)
Pashtunwali is the Pashtu code of conduct that makes tribesmen resent any uninvited intruders, while protecting those seeking shelter.
The Pakistan high commissioner in London Asif Durrani, has stated (I can tell you when it comes to honor, kicking the door itself is the biggest insult, so that also invites a sort of revenge, No one can dare kick my door, it's not allowed, because you are then declaring war against my household.)
Anyone caught betraying a fellow Muslim risks finding their family dishonored for generations, and for (AIE) American Israeli Empire troops to persuade local people to reveal the whereabouts of those accused of terrorism, is naïveté and presumptuous, indicating a total lack of understanding of the Islamic culture, two cultures which pivot off of two separate philosophies, the (AIE) American Israeli Empire pivots on money, were as in the Islamic world of Osama Bin Laden, it pivots off of religion
(AIE) American Israeli Empire Pivot
The (AIE) American Israeli Empire a tiny splinter group of the global community, Like (16th)-century Paduans, believed themselves to be the center of the universe, the final and perfect form of human government, viewing themselves as God's chosen people, with divine rights, the pivotal fulcrum of history itself, with an indifference to reality, and not only does not realized of the crimes against humanity committed by the (AIE) American Israeli Empire, but is totally incapable of even recognizing them.
The Fulcrum of History
This generation to whome much has been given, and therefore from whome much is expected, has a rendezvous with destiny, were peace, brotherhood, friendship, and cooperation will have to be set aside to settle the differences in the fulcrum of pivot
DONNE, JOHN:
No man is an island,
Entire of itself.
Each is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manner of thine own
Or of thine friend's were.
Each man's death diminishes me,
For I am involved in mankind.
Therefore, send not to know
For whom the bell tolls,
It tolls for thee.
Each is a piece of the continent
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You are right about party misgivings but, it is the US people, the public that has spoken and overridden the predispositions of the "Good Ole Boys" system of governance, pork barreling, and earmarks. On all fronts, we have yet a long way to go. But, the people have spoken. As to remarks concerning our real intentions in the "Af-Pak" region, what one states are half truths. If someone were responsible for killing 3000 plus Pakistanis, you would be after him as well. Of course, the US has what might be termed imperialist objectives, more so under Bush and Blair, than under Obama and Brown. Yes, we need the UK. We need you all. This is a global economy with a more international interdependence than ever before. This mutual need will keep growing and carry us all to other parts of the universe. Too bad the Bush administration was not as candid about our economic objectives, perhaps because of ChainKnee ulterior motives, and I hope that Obama will be more frank. The US has expertise in pipelines and modernization in all areas. We are capitalists and interested in exporting our skills as well as our products. We do not want to be shut out in any area or region of international commerce. On 60 Minutes, this evening, to paraphrase a Pentagon research scientist and technician regarding a new prosthetic arm that is all ready very precise in its functioning and still being tweaked, this is science and technology that benefits the whole world financed by the US taxpayer to the tune of $100 million, so far. We are a very generous and altruistic people with many foibles. Stop slamming US and show at least some appreciation.
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#83
Perhaps if the US stopped "slamming" anyone who challenges its "authority" then it would not be such a target for some "slamming" itself. If you wish to live by the sword then you are going to get cut.
I am appreciative of any person who contributes their life in the furtherance of the human spirit and to help their fellow beings. But the US is far from altruistic in its dealings in the world as is demonstrated in its thirst for cheap products, energy and fuel, even at a heavy cost to lost jobs for its own citizens. As long as the US has its huge underclass one must question its belief in dashing around like some medieval knight on a white charger.
"If someone were responsible for killing 3000 plus" is something that the US needs to find out the facts of and you know it. The convenient finger was far too quick to pick out AQ without factual and substantive evidence. There has been no criminal investigation into 9/11 and the two year old discovery of thermite in the dusty remains of WTC 1,2 and 7 by a Danish scientific symposium furthers the mystery of this whole shady tragedy. Far too many unanswered questions, presumptions, incorrect scientific analysis and a botched NIST report do nothing for the memory of those who died.
I am interested in just how far Obama is prepared to go in changing the face of the US. Will he end the appeasement of Israel? Will he quieten the extreme Jewish elements in the US media? Will he turn to his ghettos and lift his fellow beings out of their miserable and criminal misery? Will he give work back to all his unemployed?
I feel for the ordinary citizen of the US as much as I do for those in the UK who are not being giving real democratic choices. There are many ways to run capitalist economies and the current methods have failed us all on a global scale. That is a much more serious problem for us all than playing soldiers for the sake of a pipeline to secure cheap energy and fuel. If we really want to sort the Middle East out then support those involved in an even handed way and we may start to get some results. Oh, and by the way, find whoever it was who was responsible for what happened on 9/11. They are closer to home than your politicians would have you believe.
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THE EMPIRE’S GRAND STRATEGY
The (544) Imperial Court
The sad fact of truth is the so call voters of the Empire never speak but are spoken for, there are no term limits, there are no age limits, there is no limit or oversight upon any of the so called elected officials of the Empire. It has been, is and will continue to be a sham Republic. Districts were these so called elected officials are so called elected from are “Gerrymander” set up in such a way that at no time can they ever be remove from office, the system is rigged, the public has not spoken, it has been spoken for, and remains the under the control of political arm (AIPAC/AZC) American Israel Public Affairs Committee/American Zionist Council, a (100K) One-hundred membership Jewish lobbyists group, control the (544) Imperial Court of the Empire, Its just two members of the same statist party fighting over whose friends will get the favors, Richard Epstein on (The Big Two) American political parties, and pork barreling and earmarks are just the tip of the iceberg. Its nothing less than a French Court.
The Patsy
Osama Bin Laden has claimed responsibility for the attacks of (911), and unlike the Imperial Media Messiah President of the Empire, Osama Bin Laden has time and time again proven to be a man of his word, which is more than the Messiah can claim. The question is was Osama Bin Laden as much a Patsy, as the Japanese Fleet when it attacked Pearl Harbor? What did the Empire know, before that attack on (911), and was it seen as an acceptable loss for the greater gain? Did Osama Bin Laden become the pawn in a much bigger game, the game of geo-economic, geo-political, geo-military, and global domination by the Empire? And the (AIE) American Israel Empire is not guilt of the genocide of (1,453) One-thousand-four-hundred-and three people estimated killed in the war, (1,440) One-thousand-four-hundred- and forty were Palestinians, including (431) four-hundred and thirty-one innocent children and (114) one-hundred-fourteen women, an attack The (UN) United Nations called a disproportionate response by the (IDF) Israeli Defense Force. And making light of its by the manufacture of anti-Palestinian t-shirts, one such shirt showed a child in the cross-hairs of a rifle with the caption, (The smaller they are, the hard it is), While another with the words (1 Shot 2 Kills), shows a pregnant woman in the rifles crosshairs, others depicted a mosque being blown up by a soldier and Palestinian women weeping over a gravestone. And, the (AIE) American Israeli Empire just what blames those who where slaughtered for being slaughtered, by (105) One-Oh-Five Howitzers, (DIME), and (Willie Peter), White Phosphorus? The only mercy shown was of the Arabic saying which says (death in a group is a mercy).
The (UK) Patsy’s
Yes, the (AIE) American Israeli Empire does need another Patsy, but this time the (UK) is to be used as the (AIE) can do no wrong after all the (UK) is partnered with them no guilt by association, and yes this is a global economy but not at the expense of those who sit upon the wealth that the Empire covets, and the Empire is not the only so called expert in town, the Russian Federation is every much as capable of perform to high standards in pipelines and modernization, and without leaving (50K) Fifty-Thousand troops of occupation on Islamic soil. The (AIE) does not want to be shut out in any area or region of international commerce, and will use military force to ensure that does not happen, unlike the Russian Federation. The (AIE) is built on Greed Is Good, mentality, the hall mark of the (AIE) National Security Strategy, is based upon pre- emptive wars, actually preventive war – the (AIE) can attack anyone who it ultimately thinks is going to be a threat to it. (A new imperial grand strategy), the doctrine is that the (AIE) has the right to use force, unilaterally, to preserve access to (resources and markets),
(1) The Nabucco gas pipeline: which is to be laid through the territories of the Former Soviet Republic of (Georgia), into, Azerbaijan into the strategic Northwest Iranian territory or Shi-ite Persian Iran were currently (4) four- million Kurds are concentrated in Iran, waiting to declare a Kurdish state, and with Russian peacekeepers in place to protect the new formed Kurdish state from Georgian or Iranian aggression, onto Turkey and the Tabriz refinery, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary and Austria to connect Europe.
(2) The Central Asian Pipeline: from Turkmenistan which is rich in hydrocarbons and the building of the “Central Asian Pipeline” system transporting (NG) across Afghanistan to the ports of Pakistan, Karachi, and round the globe in (LG) Liquid Gas from, to waiting markets, with a branch line to supply the needs of India.
(3) The Caspian Sea Basin: to supply the Nabucco Pipeline with it’s estimated at (7.25 Trn.Cu.Mts.) Seven-two-five trillion cubic meters, yet to be developed underneath the Caspian Sea, along with (1/5th) One-fifth, (20%) Twenty-Percent of the remaining global oil reserves.
Gods Chosen People
The (AIE) is totally based upon Greed is Good, again believing themselves to be the center of the universe, the final and perfect form of human government, viewing themselves as God's chosen people, with divine rights, the pivotal fulcrum of history itself, with an indifference to reality, and not only does not realized of the crimes against humanity committed by the (AIE) American Israeli Empire, but is totally incapable of even recognizing them, ask a million dead Vietnamese, the thousands of Latin Americans living under the North American Yankee threats begging for Russian Federation assistance, the dead of Argentina were Yankee Offices and (CIA) Central Intelligence Office tortured and raped Argentinean Women, and the list goes on, appreciate what the atrocities committed in the name of freedom and democracy, and the greater good, the Empires Grand Strategy?
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Now, we are finding many points of agreement in our subalternative views of the world. I am personally going to investigate a possible US conspiracy and or coverup that you suggest may be the case regarding the matter that I would say is the truth about the half truth I stated in terms of why we are in the Af-Pak region of the world. I am also anxious to see whether Obama will lift his own people, white, asian, hispanic, but particularly blacks, out of what you term their ghettos and their criminal misery. Finally, I am also waiting with baited breath to see whether he will deal with the Palestinian-Israeli ME crisis with an even hand and stop pacifying extremist fanatical Jewish interests particularly as fueled by the mass media significantly to largely controlled by Jewish Israeli loyalists.
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The one who fancies himself as part of a great mythological Greek entity rambles on with diatribes that make absolutely no sense. As for Mea Copa, now that he mentions it, it is quite disturbing indeed that no criminal investigation has been launched, but rather, it would seem, an international witchhunt.
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This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.
I, for one, enjoy the fresh and different worldview expressed by Hercule, as well as CoalPit's comments. Our uptight attorney is also quite rational, so do let this thread continue to open our views!
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Just crept in from "Caught up in the Conspiracy theory" next door and might I suggest to No 85 that Osama Bin Laden has not claimed responsibility for 911, far from it, he denied involvement and the FBI do not have him on their list for being wanted for 911, as they have stated that they have no evidence against him. Bit more homework needed I suggesty. No, the alleged Bin Laden tapes are not him! For more, come on over.
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#86,87 & 89
I am sure that you, USAttorney, and I share much in common; perhaps we just express ourselves a little differently but at the core is our wish for a better world. I am mindful that by far the majority of Americans I have met are friendly, worthy people and I have absolutely no issues with them.
I am appreciative of Hercule's input too. Although the prose is sometimes a little cluttered (OK somewhat cluttered ;-0) there are many pearls of wisdom and I can put up with the more biased bits for the sake of them.
Indeed reading through this blog you get a sense that the media has not exactly rolled over every rock to do their work and could do a lot better.
There is an excellent blog on this site about 9/11 here
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2008/10/caught_up_in_a_conspiracy_theo.html
I do not want to be repetitious about the content of that blog so I'll be brief.
There seems to be a number of events concerning the WTC attacks on 9/11. First we have the planes flying into the buildings. Then we have what happened next - the disbelief, the fires, the panic, the rescue attempts etc. Then we have the "dustification" (see following) of the structures known as WTC 1,2, and 7.
Dustification is a word used by Dr Judy Wood to describe what she observed from photographic and video evidence. In my opinion her claims of what may have actually happened on 9/11 are closest to trying to understand the events I have described above. Not only is her work very detailed, painstaking and admirable it also opens a Pandora's Box into what may be possible using available technology now. It is interesting that the BBC's documentaries on "Conspiracy Theories" do not include her work. You will find the explanation for this as you look deeper into what happened.
As for Obama and his underclasses I really hope that all American people will try to lift their fellow citizens up to a new and fulfilling level. Once that is started I hope that the UK government of the day is moved to do the same with its smaller but no less important underclass.
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Added: Tuesday, 14 April, 2009, 10:17 GMT
Is the UK society 'increasingly fearful'?
Considering all the rejections that I get from BBC editors on Have Your Say, I can only conclude that the above is probably true. Yes, there's seems to be a lot of fear in Britain... and speaking candidly and forthrightly, speaking one's mind, even in a civil manner, is one of the casualties.
There needs to be some major changes with the editorial staff.
Frankly... I've had enough. This is my final posting (#3333) with the BBC. Good-bye!
RICHARD RALPH ROEHL
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Don't quit, OldCoyotenose!
Fortunately, the BBC is a large organization and the problems on World Have Your Say are not generally shared by others in the Organization.
The WHYS problems go far beyond "fearful" editing and will eventually cause trouble for the BBC as a whole. Until that cell is cleaned out, why not post here instead?
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#92 & 93
I agree. I get intensely irritated by HYS and WHYS which are apparent failures when it comes to moderating with care and consideration. However you can complain (officially) stating a "good" example and hope that eventually the BBC will see sense and introduce fairer methods. You will find other commercial broadcasters that are far less petty with the management of comment.
All of us should acknowledge that "giving up" is precisely what the powers-that-be want us to do. If your contribution is rejected, try again with something a little different.
To point up Afghanistan once again and the problems the west may face the BBC carry a report of a young couple who tried to elope after their families disapproved of their relationship. The couple are reported to have been publicly shot in a Mosque. It is further reported that there may be Taleban links within the families involved.
Although this is a tragic story one wonders why western media are so concerned with it. Are there not enough horrendous things going on in our own backyards? Or are our journalists only prepared to perpetuate what is required of them by their political masters, mistresses or paymasters? When it comes to reporting on the cultures of foreign lands do we only deserve to hear the downsides? Afghanistan has lived this way for centuries - why is it suddenly so important to bring it to the fore?
It makes me very concerned as to what we are about to witness in the name of the so called "War on Terror".
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I did read the conspiracy posting. It had no influence upon my perceptions. However, your blog in response to mine did and does. Everyone, pardon blog number 74 with its mispellings, typos, and omissions. I was in a hurry having to get out of the library as the 4:30 closing time was approaching. It should have read in most significant part, "...while not putting the same pressure on ..."
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As I promised, I am personally investigating. I already have an answer. I have a quick, effective, and pretty sure fire accurate methodology for doing so. Right now I am verifying some logistics, both physical and historical. If you are interested, I can do the same for London's 7/7. I will not transmit on this site the results of the 9/11 investigatory research but it is possible it may find its way back to thee in the near future. On 7/7, I would be willing to so transmit immediately. Right now, I will go find out the year.
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I have a feeling that some to many or most of these postings are from the editors and or their staff. The economy is quite sluggish and I am hurting. Quid pro quo on the results of 7/7 with you going first.
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(911) to (Af-Pak)
(911) Theory
If one accepts the theory that (911) was in fact a terrorist act, the (AIE) American Israel Empire was aware of it, and accept the poet laurite of New Jersey’s, having said that on the day of the attack (400) four-hundred Jewish-American’s did not show up for work on that day as truth, then it all begins to paint a completely different picture up to and including why attack Iraq, and not Afghanistan. In (WWII) World War Two, many of the American older generation to this day feel that (FDR) Franklin Delano Roosevelt knew about the Pearl Harbor attack before it happen, but made the mistake of trusting his senior officers words that the attack would cause minor to moderate damage. And, in Vietnam it was an attack upon a United States Naval Ship that never happen that opened the door to the widening of the war into North Vietnam, the Twin Towers leads into the (Islamic Crescent). The (AIE) needed a boggy man and it is Osama Bin Laden, they need him alive, and that’s why at Tora Bora the door was not closed allowing Osama Bin Laden a way out.
IRAQ
Iraq, had to be the starting point, the Straits of Hormuz, is the choke point for oil coming out of the middle east, and the pipeline from northern Iraq to Basra, had to be secured, and then its all about Kurdistan, the control of the northern part of Iran, Kurdistan, into Turkey for the The Nabucco gas pipeline, running from The Caspian Sea Basin, and the former Soviet Republic of Georgia is part of this and still is. Once again those at the top placed to much confidence in their military commander King David H. Betray US, The Butcher of Islam. It had been expected that the Iraq War would be a short term operation, and (7+) Seven year plus its proved to be a quagmire were (UK) United Kingdom troops are being held in place for (2) two reasons, security is falling apart, and once they leave the region it will be harder to get them back into the region for the (Af-Pak) campaigne. King David H. Betray US, failed in the Former Soviet Republic of Georgia, along with the help of a New York City Wall Street, Investor Georgia President, to take control of a vital part of the puzzle. The (AIE) is going to leave a buffer force of (50K) Fifty-Thousand troops of occupation, between Shi-ite Persian Iran, and Israel. But, time is running out do to the failures of Betray Us, as Iran is closing the gap rapidly to having a nuclear device to be place upon delivery systems that Iran has, changing the balance of power in the region.
(Af-Pak)
The Afghanistan-Pakistan campaigne serves (3) three goals, the removal of Nuclear Weapon from the hands of an Islamic State Pakistan, ending its threat to India, The Central Asian Pipeline, and last but not least, providing a third entry point of attack into Shi-ite Persian Iran, from the west thru Iraq, from south, the sea the Persian Gulf and the Arabian Sea, and the east Pakistan thru Afghanistan into Iran. The only problem is (AIE) troops after (7+) seven plus years of combat are broken, suffering from (PTSD) Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, coupled with the highest suicide rate in its military history, and a (DRAFT) of fresh American Troops is out of the question having sold the concept of a highly paid professional military. This is were the (UK) United Kingdom the Commonwealth comes into play, fresh (COMBAT) front line troops, which goes to the August (20th) elections in the Commonwealth that is crucial, allowing the (UK) troops from Iraq to be repositioned into the (Af-Pak) theater of operations, along with increasing numbers of commonwealth troops as the situation deteriorates, which is will as this is a (TRAP), and King David H. Betray US, The Butcher of Islam is going to stick Commonwealth troops heads into it. Iran may agree to help the (AIE) but once the (TRAP) has been sprung will turn its interests toward Iraq, and The Russian Federation, well pay backs for the Soviet Afghanistan War is a (Bee-Itch).
The Islamic Crescent
If you follow the pipelines you follow the action, you follow the reasoning, you follow the geo-regional, economic, political, and military actions now taking place, or its all about Osama Bin Laden, rejecting the idea that The (AIE) is built on Greed Is Good, mentality, the hallmark of the (AIE) National Security Strategy, is based upon pre- emptive wars, actually preventive war – the (AIE) can attack anyone who it ultimately thinks is going to be a threat to it. (A new imperial grand strategy), the doctrine is that the (AIE) has the right to use force, unilaterally, to preserve access to (RESOURCES AND MARKETS).
The Wild Card
“In an interview conducted shortly before he was sworn in today as prime minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu laid down a challenge for Barack Obama. The American president, he said, must stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons—and quickly—or an imperiled Israel may be forced to attack Iran’s nuclear facilities itself. “
“Neither Netanyahu nor his principal military advisers would suggest a deadline for American progress on the Iran nuclear program, though one aide said pointedly that Israeli time lines are now drawn in months, “not years.” These same military advisers told me that they believe Iran’s defenses remain penetrable, and that Israel would not necessarily need American approval to launch an attack. “The problem is not military capability; the problem is whether you have the stomach, the political will, to take action,” one of his advisers, who spoke on condition of anonymity, told me.” ((RT) Russia Today Interview)
The question then is if Netanyahu does make good on his threat, what will be the response of the regional players, Netanyahu, feels it will only be a short term political problem, if so that makes him a geo-mind of unparallel repute if not what then?
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Absent an Iranian declaration that Israel has no right to exist, there would be no justification, in my opinion, for an Israeli preemptive strike. To paraphrase what the US President said, Iran is the descendant of a great civilization, Persia. It is surrounded by potentially hostile nuclear powers and is accessible by sea. It should have nuclear energy capabilities even if they do or should rise to the level of weaponry, particularly defensive or strategic. Should said declaration cease to exist within Iranian foreign policy, any strikes by Israel should be condemned by the UN. Again summarizing what the US President stated, violations must be met with punitive action not just verbal condemnation. There are many Iranian Jews who love the Persian landscape, geographically and sociopolitically. So, the solution seems to apparently lie in Iran presumably appeasing what would be that part of its "constituency." Concerning the pipeline that Iran would finance in the Af-Pak region of the world as well as further modernization of the Great Game region, Persian and or US contributions including benefits are not necessarily mutually exclusive. Netanyahu is a strident warhawk.
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THE GAME HAS CHANGED!
"Perhaps it is an interpretation that Israel is never going to go along with the idea of a nuclear-free Middle East.
And now that Iran is at least a latent nuclear weapons state, it doesn't make any sense to proceed in that direction anymore, rather to the extent that strategic considerations are at work."
"It seems that the leading Arab countries think that they need to have their own long-term security. It should be a contingency option for them."(First Iran, now Arabs going nuclear, Al Jezeera)
Now, the question becomes just how much of a warhawk is (PM) Prime Minister of Israel Benjamin Netanyahu, is it now absolutely necessary that in Netanyahu's mind and example of Shi-ite Persian Iran be made to discourage other Islamic nations, in the geo-region from even thinking of becoming a nuclear state, the odd are YES! The only question remaining is when.
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Based on your prior broadcasts, the answer to your latest rhetorical is now. Strident dude needs US approval for he would have to worry about possible retaliation from nuclear armed Muslim countries such as India and Pakistan as well as other Far Eastern Asian countries such as North Korea, China, and to a lesser extent, Russia. All of these countries have very large numbers if not percentages of Muslims within their populations. Revelations and other scriptural texts are coming true. Of all the ME countries at this time that need to tone down their rhetoric, it is Israel. They are now flirting with the US breaking from our traditional alliance in protection of their existence. With the global economy and the media going online, Jewish Israeli loyalists are losing their hold in controlling global public opinion thus also losing their influence in the garnering of funds for this cause or another including the election of public officials.
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''He (Obama) said American strategy must relate directly to the threat posed to the Americans by al-Qaeda and its allies - who, he reminded his listeners, were behind the 9/11 attacks on American soil eight years ago.''
They're still acting as if there is no doubt in our minds, depending on mood, I'm finding it to be silly or sad or simply mad.
After all, if Obama would have any real intention to deal with al Qaeda threat, or High Treason as I like to call it, he'd deploy that easily accessible, one could say immaculate winning strategy and allow proper investigation of 9/11 attacks.
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So who is fueling insurgency and who is funding al Qaeda? Some of those people can be paid to change their role; others will not play by any rules no matter the cost.
As usattorney contemplates which administrate would be more 'hurt' by the investigation of that 'special transatlantic relation' he might examine the allegations that the US administrators, as leaders of Coalition, deliberately fueled insurgency in Iraq, they've spared no resources and made every step necessary to bring in insecurity and create safe havens for terrorists in Pakistan and Afghanistan.
Waging proxy against your own troops might seem as preposterous idea at the first glance, but it is historically traceable, recognizable and it is certainly in line with the utter lack of empathy and humanity of those who carried September 11th attacks.
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Your post in number 85 is succinctly and somewhat eloquently put. It will be taken under advisement. However, would you not agree that the Good Ole Boys would not have spoken for Obama as President or Hilary Clinton? They were a foregone conclusion in terms of one or the other being elected as President once receiving the Democratic nomination as the Presidential candidate. The sad truth is that all Presidents are puppets or figureheads to a lesser or greater degree depending on character, skills, and talent, to the gentried civil servants who survive from one Presidential or PM administration to the next.
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(AIE)COMBAT TROOPS TO REMAIN IN KURDISTAN!
Now, why does that not really suprise me, right in the area that the Nabucco Pipe Line is to be built, gee did not anyone see this coming? Now, its the Russian Federations turn to make its move as (NATO) the North Atlantic Treaty Organization enter the Former Soviet Republic of Georgia for manuevers, other Arab states are going Nuclear, and warhawk PM) Prime Minister of Israel Benjamin Netanyahu,finalizes his attack date on Shi-ite Persian Iran. Moisés Naím, editor in chief of Foreign Policy magazine, (In the weakness of rivals loom large risk.) And, the Imperial Media Messiah President of the (AIE) American Israeli Empire, has proven there is (NO) ram rod up his backside.
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104.
I take it that you are for the opinion that Israel will attack Iran, that of clourse is posible but it will be a nightmare and innocents will suffer and die. War is not an option for civilisd communities in these times.
Are we powerless to prevent it? Probably, as those with warmongering animals have agendas, they cause more harm to children than paedophiles, yet claim some social acceptance and status, like 'suited septichlres' (sp?). (you know, like how Christ described the pharisees when he called them 'whited septichlres".(sp? can't find it in my dictionary, bit like septic tanks but christ was talking about tombs, white on the outside and just rotting inside.)
History has many examles of government 'false flag attacks' that are used to justify killing. now if we can prevent the flase flag attacks we are at least stalling their intentions.
To attack Iran for Israel the US will have to justify helping Israel, as Israel cannot be left alone, so another '911 style false flag' 'attack' may be imminent and being planned whilst the US presently goes through the pretences of talking to Iran.
Exposure of a pending false flag attack may avoid it happening and threfore prevent war. Exposing secret plans is fraught with difficulty, practically impossible to predict unless there is a whistleblower and then it does not eventuate and the whistleblower is classed as an idiot/alarmist.
But it is better for an alarmist to be heard than risk war. So for a nice little alarmist speculation try;
http://ken-welch.com/Reports2/Temp_Easter.html
Remember, some thought Freud was a bit nutty once.
Put this with the sabre rattling and join manouvres in the Middle East and we may soon have a nice bigger killing sand pit for the generals to play in.
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#102, 104, 105
If the effects of 9/11 are wearing thin then it becomes obvious that another false flag will need to be in place to justify an attack on Iran or Pakistan. As #102 suggests a criminal investigation into 9/11 would place Obama in a much different position if it is done properly and comes to honest conclusions. It may slam a few anti-Islamic critics, defuse some Israeli "disquiet" over Iran, and confuse the US public, but time is not on Obama's side unless he buys some.
I cannot see how anyone can connect up the dots at this moment as a lot of powerful people seem to be intent on taking up their positions (just in case?). Is it all posturing or are we witnessing the beginning of the biggest mistake humanity can make? Judging by what Ken Welch says (see #105) his mind is already made up.
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#104
The game of brinkmanship knows no bounds and unless and until our media get onside and start reporting for the benefit of their consumers rather than the benefit of their owners we are not going to be given the crucial information we all need.
This is obviously not a game of charades anymore and it is getting increasingly more serious with every move made.
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#98
The logistics of the Nabucco pipeline do indeed fit the politics of conflict, real or imagined. Is Obama skillful enough to negotiate with Iran or will Israel spoil the party by seeking to gain their own advantages in the West Bank? The new president has his work cut out.
Does Petraeus have his eyes on the White House in 2012 in a straight contest against Obama? So Obama likes to keep his enemies close (sound wisdom) but will all of this end in tears? Petraeus is nothing if not ruthless.
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The analysis is acute, and I hope that the BBC pundits may explore it more.
However, we must consider blunder and political immediacy as factors, in addition to deep plots.
If one eliminates the hostiles in both Afghanistan and Pakistan (an unlikely outcome) terrorism will not be stopped and may be augmented.
Certainly, advanced bases and oil supplies are objectives of American grand strategy.
Obama wants to be re-elected to effect political change within the United States. This must be assumed to be his primary objective politically.
Money spent on the political/military complex is money diverted from a desperately needed domestic agenda.
Thus, I would be hesitant to assume that Obama is prati pris to an imperialist agenda.
May I suggest that a lot depends on what the press is able and willing to elucidate?
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(Af-Pak) ZINNI MOT JUSTE
The conversation-clinching one-liner
Once again the media has chosen to accept the mot juste, the conversation-clinching one-liner that is meant to end all debate on the topic at hand and to send those arguing the wrong side of the question slinking off to the corner, but in this case meant to move on end the news cycle of (Af-Pac), focus the publics attention elsewhere. (AIE) American Israeli Empire, General Anthony Zinni, hinted that there had already been backroom talks between the Empire and the Taliban—like Heinz Kissinger with the North Vietnamese and most recently the Russian Federation, (ping-pong) diplomacy—and predicted that these would lead to formal negotiations by the end of the year, that is the hard-nosed assessments the way things are, and we just have to deal with it. Do we have all the facts, were are these secret talks being held, are they unilateral talks only, how long have they been going on, who are the parties involved in the talks, but no its just another case of, you do not really need to know all the facts, its all under control, according to Zinni, and the questions remain unanswered, this is not an important story, the facts, need not be presented, its in the publics interests that they remain secret or is it the other way around that it in the interests of those in power that the public not know what is taking place.
Media inducted cocoon
The Public is once again being kept within their media inducted cocoon comfort zone, believing anything that does not take them out of that comfort zone, of bliss full ignorance, believing that the controlled media is acting in their interest unable to awaken to the fact that it has been spoon feed propaganda, and not the truth. That info-commercial news is not real news, lacking unedited, real journalism without corporate sponsors, asking the hard questions of those who work in the secret world establishing policy, of the worlds elites, from banking, corporations, government agencies, but is given a pre-packaged product, plumbing the depths of dishonor and indecency and include character assassination, selective misquotation, and the willful distortion of the record, the fabrication of falsehoods, geared for and working only in its own and lobbyist interests, using whatever means is available to cover up those interests, and the best way is to be a friendly, controlled, and biased, media.
A White Plume
Because there is no comparison to the truth, it would be nice to be astounded by any media source to ask for and get the truth for a change. Where is Hercule Savinien De Cyrano De Bergerac, not expecting an easy victory to be claimed, sword in hand fighting in vain to win against Falsehood, Prejudice, Compromise, and Cowardice, bearing away one thing without stain, a White Plume?
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SELECT LEADERSHIP
"I am also anxious to see whether Obama will lift his own people, white, asian, hispanic, but particularly blacks, out of what you term their ghettos and their criminal misery."
Any County on the face of the globe is made up of various types of people and the idea of (his own people), truly shows that the Imperial Media Messiah President of the Empire, has no business in that position, a country of neighborhood is what the world is and what any country is, each community working in its own self interest, but the leader of all the communities must be neutral, (SERVING),the interests of all the communities in a neutral, unbiaed, fair manner, like an incomming tide raise all ship, a leader should be the tide of the nation of neighborhood communities, there are large ships and small but all rise together, the community of neighborbood should be a true leaders (own people).
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#110
I am indebted to your vigorous pursuit of facts relating to the Middle East, and indeed to the careful way you prepare and justify your attacks on the "few" with vested interests who treat the many with contempt.
There is now much more clarity about what we, ordinary people, are up against. We have leaders who are not leaders at all; they are simply closer than we are to the "few who lead". They are "leaders" because they are prepared "to follow the plan of the few to the letter of the plan". There is now much more clarity about our media, constrained and confined by the shackles "they have chosen to wear".
Please keep up the good work.
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Hercule is giving some refreshing insights that may inspire some fact-exposing efforts by BBC journalists.
As to #112, perhaps it has always been the way of the world that the few exploit the many. Exposing the mechanisms may reduce the degree of exploitation.
Concerning the media, the initiation and continuance of this thread is evidence that the BBC is not completely subverted. My personal impression is that only a small percentage of the BBC are ethically corrupt. (I actually know of only two such individuals).
As Stanley Milgram's experiments at Yale have shown, the majority of people will not raise objections when they know of bad actions by authority or employers. Thus, silence would reduce the risk to employment.
The BBC succumbs less to this than other news organization that I know.
More power to their iconoclasts!
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HOLD OR SERVICE THE SCEPTER
Comics
Now painting a picture with words is an art, and not one that is particularly encouraged in the school system of the (AIE) American Israel Empire, and anything more than ten words in length is a major War and Peace Novel effort for most of its citizens to deal with. Back in the day during the transition between radio and (T.V.) television among the various forms of entertainment there was the comic, and today it has become one of those lost art. There were basically (3) three forms of comics, the Sunday afternoon (Comic Strip) a short (8) eight picture story with captions, the full color comic books, at the soda shop that you paged thru read and never paid for, and that special (XXX) rated version the (8) eight pager, what Olive Oil never did with Popeye in the other versions, well Popeye was a typical sailor, Any Port In A Storm. Up to a few years back when toons seem to have been forgotten, the Felix the Cat, movie that was some Tom Cat, and Who Shot Roger Rabbit, toon or not Brad Pitt got a chance to doddle a great toon, and Vampirella is a Vamp.
Political Comics
Now, Europe has still retained the art of the comic the political artist, the sharpe wit applied with an artist eye for political hard ball, as a real uproar was cause over what Muslims considered an anti-Islamic cartoon printed of the prophet Mohammad, and in the (AIE) past, not being a cartoon historian it has been mentioned in columns that the Founding Fathers were no goodie two shoes went it came to political campaigne cartoons. So, what has this got to do with anything, and that is the question, and the answer is a post (20th) August Brit Cartoon. In the Commonwealth the idea or even the printing of the following comic would of course not be allowed in the (Above Ground) media, but turn around is fair play and out there could be a political artist doodling a toon with the Queen Mum, on all fours with the Imperial Media Messiah President at one end and the (COS) Chief of (Staff) Rahm Emanuel at the other, like Popeye any port in a storm with the (544) Imperial Court observing, Rahm hand in the Federal Reserve Treasury handing Dollars over to the (PM) Prime Minister of Britain, for Services Rendered.
Pucker Those Lips
The question is would this be an offensive comic or an on the spot comment in artistic form. Will the Commonwealth be a vassal (52nd) State of the (AIE) and will the Queen Mum be holding the scepter of Imperial Power or holding and servicing the (AIE) Scepter of Imperial Power, does the Queen Mum, kneel to a Deity in heaven and bow her head or does the Queen Mum kneel to an earthly Messiah and polish the scepter of power. England has survived the Romans, Spanish, French, and Germans, and a (400) four-hundred year war with the (IRA) Irish Republican Army, and now has the mother country of the (AIE) grown so weak and tired that the child is now the parent, and this is the question that must be answered on (20th) August. Or, will the toon show the Queen Mum marking a spot on her backside saying pucker up those lips and kiss this.
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NO GOOD DEED GOES UNPUNISHED
THE TIMES
No good deed goes unpunished and this goes for the world of commentary even postings. Contrary to the fact, yes the fact that some feel they are getting a raw deed by those assigned to review the comments posted upon this sight it really doesn’t meet the test. Posting especially in the (AIE) American Israel Empire can and does put the poster in jeopardy. The (SS) Secret Service comes out and does threaten the individual posting comments, so one must make sure there is nothing that can be use against the posting individual in a court of law, plus the individual poster is placed on the TERRORIST WATCH LIST, end of those frequent flyer miles, your use of the computer is monitored of course they came out, and is continued, along with your telephone calls, mail etc. Along with these small problems you are (BANNED) from postings on various sites, such as HuffingtonPost.Com, (AOL) America on Line, and THE GUARDIAN, with no warnings or reason given, those in power have a long reach.
THE MODERATORS
The only real complaint that could be registered against any of the moderators on any of the sights is this, if a compliant were registered, or a comment was not posted, if there were some way to notify the poster of the (specific) reason not just it violated policy, so a correction could be made and a re-posting be allowed with added corrects. The Times like (RT) Russia Today, and the Drudge Report is wide open within reason, and that is what this should be all about, open discussion about topics, the public has a venue to be heard and should be heard, attacking the comment and not the posting individual, without knowing the other persons point of view common ground, or at least an understanding of we agree to not agree position can never be achieved.
PRESS IN THE POCKET
The only group that the press should be in the pocket of is the public, they are the public, the press should have no political point of view, this news source is left, right, socialist, etc. etc. etc., at the end of the day what their position is should be unknown, but the story should be about the publics right to know just what’s up with their paid public servants, and they are servants and not the publics masters, kings and queens, Furers, all monarchs, have fallen to those they were the servants of, either they controlled the press or silence it, the peoples press went underground, and the ground shook under the feet of oppressive government which dropped as symmetric tectonic plates of public indignation moved.
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"I am also anxious to see whether Obama will lift his own people, white, asian, hispanic, but particularly blacks, out of what you term their ghettos and their criminal misery." This was part of a previous blog of mine in response to one of Mea Culpa's. However, Greek Legend is apparently twisting what was intended in true media demagogue fashion. As well, every county or their counterparts say in Oriental, Arab, Indian, or other Asian Countries, on the globe are not so diverse as Greek Legend would have one believe. Heterogeneity is one of the largest components in US society, and true, it is found in most parts of Europe. However, Oriental societies are the most homogenous than many will see. Other than religious factionalism, you will also find homogeneity in most Arab countries. It is part of cultural totemic ritual embedded within Islamic religious precepts to keep the culture as pure, non corrupted by mixed blood, and to prevent defeasibility of let's say the power and riches of the Arab Royal Family into the hands of not purely Arab heirs as was often seen in Europe in medieval times. Now, Blacks have traditionally been the most oppressed in US society but all people suffer some form of oppression. I do not speak for Obama. I am an attorney by trade, profession, and educational choice. I am not a politician, yet, or a diplomat, likewise. So, I am anxious to see as is mea culpa whether Obama will lift the US people out of their ghettos and criminal misery, particularly blacks, who have been the most oppressed. I agree he must find a neutral unbiased manner to lift that part of the US population out of its doldrums, but I am particularly interested to see whether they will be just left behind as with every other prior US Presidential administration. So, Greek Legend has proven nothing, whatsoever, and as usual, his blog is not supported by any facts, statistics, articles, news, history, or periodicals, in the least. As an undergrad, usattorney majored in political science so he knows something about diversity, heterogeneity, and homogeneity. What is Greek Legend's excuse for his historically unsubstantiated diatribes? Greek Legend does not even present a cogent argument. What is meant by American Israel Empire? Perhaps if he could rationally explain that terminology, slogan, or phrase, for starters, we can start agreeing to disagree.
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Now, to detecting that alot of these blogs are from the editors themselves or from members of their staffs, there seems to be some worry about how to compete with Al Jazz. Do not fret. It is all smoke, mirrors, and screens, like a David Copperfield performance. It is a propaganda front for what I suspect is a national sovereignty intelligence organization. It is my opinion that one of the few ways left to save humanity is through honest, sincere, and accurate propaganda, if there is such an animal. If the BBC has not always been on this track, it is my sincere opinion that it is on its way. Al Jazz has an agenda as do most media outlets, publishers, and broadcasters. But, Al Jazz does not want to hear opposing views to its agenda in the least. Why do I say I believe it is an intelligence front? Because, only one agenda is supported without censor and the blogs supporting this agenda come from all parts of the world. The agenda is particularly anti US with a Mut and Jeff game, good guy bad guy, facade whose veil, by the astute, is easily or soon pierced with persistence. Al Jazz practices an insidious form of demagoguery for which I have no tolerance even if it were to be part of an intelligence organization for which I as a US citizen should have loyalty. Thus, those on the site exposed or revealed to be instigating global unrest or war, my curses would go out to them as with any other like demagogue, immediately.
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Now about July 7, 2005, although I have received no help as requested. Here is a little tidbit freebee that you may be aware of, that date was the 30th Anniversary of a news article in a Robert Ludlum novel and the 40th Anniversary of the publication of a book about the Kennedy Assassination. Take that to the bank and send me some.
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And there it is again.., nothingness.
Obama Officials Release Terror Memos That Guided CIA
We won't look in the past because we've reached 'unipolar agenda' within ou government, he says.
It is same as it ever was; it is so outrageous 'it makes me sick to my stomach'.
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Please pardon any mistake in participle tense on the blog immediately prior. I do not need to investigate whether there may have been US support for war by proxy against our own troops after the results of my prior investigations as well as subsequent to the finding of super thermite on the premises of the WTC towers. As to the latter reason for concurrence, thank you Mea Culpa. This whole Iraq affair, and I do not doubt to an extended region outside thereof, is quite slimy, indeed.
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LAWYERS
A few hundred at the bottom of the Hudson is a good start! And, once again it is the divine duty of the (AIE) American Israeli Empire, the State of Israel is the (51st) State, with Imperial Media Messiah Presidential, Special Relationship Status, the tip of the spear into and manage state of the Islamic Crescent, to invade and create yet another State within in its Empire, Ya Right! But, at least use your own population to due your dirty work, and not British, French, German, and who ever else by arm twisting.
THE PRIME DIRECTIVE
Observe other cultures but do not interfere with them, interact only as necessary, respect there cultures, and do not force your beliefs or ideas upon them. And, any point about any culture is just pointing out how they choose to conduct there lives, and it is there lives, and culture do not interfere.
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Oooh. How original. Did you think of that lawyer proverb all on your own?
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On second thought, that is at least a somewhat rational explanation of what you mean by AIE and somewhat to significantly maybe even substantially supportable. However, you sound like this Irishmen on Al Jazz (perhaps no longer on that site), who actually was domiciled in England. It is my policy not to say in what town even for demagogues such as he. I as do many US citizens, lawyers or not, have many qualms with the overrepresentation of Israel throughout the world. I did suspect you were referring to the media influence and the money given to that nation state in aid, both military and other, as well as "unwavering" military support, which is further evidence of Jewish Israeli and US Jewish overrepresentation. Finally, I do suspect both Iraqis and Israelis of warmongering, war brokering, arms brokering, and arms dealing in Iraq, Syria, Iran, and the Great Game region of the world, amongst other national locales. In other words, Iraqis and Israelis are also responsible for brokering proxy wars and funding genocide or, in the Israeli case, funding annihilation against its own people.
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@jon2uk - "You didn't know it because our media always tells you Americans are stupid..."
Good point. We were repeatedly told that Americans are so stupid they could never carry off a sophisticated operation like 911; yet the corollary of that, of course, was that cave-bound Osama and his
boys were far more intelligent even than Petraeus with his snazzy degrees and were able to carry off the multi-pronged 911 attack and hoodwink all American fighter jets, radar screens and chains of command. Extraordinary.
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From the foregoing postings, one could say that Hercule's perceptions are not supported by examples, whereas our attorney's must be. Both left and right brains influence behaviour and perhaps the left (symbolic and wholistic) is really dominant in perception and behaviour. Thus, Hercule's left brain may be better appreciated.
As to Al Jazeera- is this not an agency of the Saudi government? How much influence do the clandestine operations of the USA have over the Saudis and Al Jazeera? Consider also the Pakistani intelligence services and the various influences acting upon them.
It seems to me that pundits have hard enough a time tracking the overt actions of governments. Attempting to discern the games played by clandestine operations could be, literally, maddening.
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#126 & 113
How much influence do clandestine operators have over most everything we see? If one accepts that there is more to 9/11 than what we have been told (as #125 demonstrates) we are battling against ourselves just to remain sane. Just what influences are used daily in our media operations as new managers are appointed not for leadership but for control? What if a management model relies on an ability to "follow orders without question"?
We have a dangerous game being played with our lives and yet we are easily distracted by whatever can be "invented" or "introduced" to do so. In hypnosis it is called the distraction of our consciousness so that our sub- or un-consciousness can operate more efficiently. This is so easy to use for manipulation and less worthy purposes.
The Middle Eastern cultures used "distraction" and the "magic of illusion" very effectively to prove the existence of "God". It seems their ability to play David Copperfield (see #117) has become a work of necessity in government.
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#124
I subscribe to much you say. I think it is unoriginal and naive to consider that the politicians in Iran, Iraq, Syria and the Great Game regions are above reproach, or ever have been. However what is more potent is the degree of external influence upon these regions as the power houses manoeuvre their pieces around the board. We observe the product of these activities but seldom see the prep plans. We are also ravaged by false flags (of which 9/11 may have been one).
We share the view of a press and media (not just in the US) that is over influenced by Jewishness and therefore borders on propaganda much of the time. Perhaps this propaganda can be manipulated by cleverer people without them falling into the category of personality disordered. Indeed the 9/11 truth movements have had many successes by doing just that.
What I do not quite have a grasp of is the need for a "battle" over the Nabucco pipeline. This facility stands to improve the lives of many people (at least on paper) from the drillers and pumpers of the fuel, the security keepers, those who sell the products flowing through, to the consumer at the end of the chain. So is the real problem about a lack of trust amongst the leaders involved? And that such a strategic facility can be easily destroyed anywhere along its length to temporarily or semi-permanently cripple all involved?
How do you stabilise countries who do not have stable social groupings? Even in Israel we have seen the need to evict the "unworthy" to make space for the "worthy", a feature shared with others in the region. So there is a tendency to try to move problems elsewhere, a strategy that seldom works long term.
Personally I'd like to know who the mover of the mover of the pieces is....
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Apologies to all for mixing up the hemispheres!
The right brain is the symbolic and holistic,
whereas the left is verbal and rational.
It may be that the right brain dominates what nations actually do.
Pundits should be aware of this.
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@125,
Hi SirJohn, did you mentioned the peer reviewed scientific paper that proves that weaponised thermite was used to bring down the twin towers and WTC7?
http://www.911blogger.com/node/19805
How did OBL make and deliver such sophisticated explosives?
Now if you consider that the week following 9/11, there was weaponised Anthrax that was being delivered to politicians opposed to the Patriot Act - and this has been proved to have come from a US military lab - then you have to think... isn't this whole "war on terror" just a plot to allow the US to go to war? And why isn't anybody talking about these ESTABLISHED facts?
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@130
I picked up the "thermite" information from one of the 9/11 blogs and watched the broadcast video with interest and concern. It certainly blows NIST's claims away into another pile of dust...
I am very surprised that the BBC has not carried this story. I am also mystified as to why Mike Rudin has not appended another blog to his conspiracy series promising a further documentary which will include an apology for his earlier efforts' content and misinformation.
I do not believe there will be closure on matters Iraq, Afghanistan or Iran until the full truth of 9/11 is given to the people who have suffered most from it and subsequent action. There is still time to haul Bush and Blair up for war crimes....
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THE PIPELINE WARS
GEORGIA The Nabucco or (BTC) Baku-Tbilisi-Ceylan gas pipeline:
The Nabucco or (BTC) Baku-Tbilisi-Ceylan gas pipeline: which is to be laid through the territories of the Former Soviet Republic of (GEORGIA), onto, Azerbaijan into the strategic (Northwest Shi-ite Persian Iranian territory of Iran were currently (4) four- million Kurds are concentrated in Iran, waiting to declare a Kurdish state, and with Russian peacekeepers in place to protect the new formed Kurdish state from (GEORGIAN) or Iranian aggression), onto Turkey and the Tabriz refinery, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary and Austria to connect Europe. With the concept of establishing (GEORGIA) as a major energy transit corridor and a rival to the Russia Federation South Stream gas pipeline designed to annually pump (31) thirty-one billion cubic meters of natural gas from Russia and Central Asia via the Balkans to Europe. Bulgaria, Serbia, Hungary, Italy and Greece have already agreed to participate in the project.
GEORGIA President Mikhail Saakashvili
(Georgia) President Mikhail Saakashvilli, is an American-educated lawyer, with many of his advisors are English-speakers who know how to spin in the best tradition of Madison Avenue, Saakashvili became the president of (Georgia) in (2003) after an uprising, organized and financed by the (CIA) Central Intelligence Agency which overthrew Georgia, former leader, Eduard Shevardnadze. The (Georgian) President Saakashvili keeps power by intimidation, bribery, and vote rigging and when faced with widespread protests in (November 2007), amid accusations of widespread corruption and not adequately addressing the countries growing poverty, responded with severe repression, shutting down independent media, detaining opposition leaders, and sending his security forces to assault largely nonviolent demonstrators with tear gas, truncheons, rubber bullets, water cannons, and sonic equipment. Human Rights Watch criticized the government for using excessive force against protesters and the International Crisis Group labeled as authoritarianism, becoming the (AIE) rightwing, and Israeli ally Golden Boy
THE BETRAY US GEORGIA DEFEAT
King David H. “Betray Us” Petraeus, The Butcher of Islam, trained three (3) Battalions of (Georgians) in Iraq, to prepare (Georgian) troops for service in Iraq and intended (NATO) North Atlantic Treaty Organization membership, the (3) Battalions of (Georgians) made up the third largest national contingent, behind the (AIE) American Israeli troops and (UK) United Kingdom troops, in Iraq.
At the same time an additional a (2) two Battalion combined force of (BWI/IDF) Blackwater Inc. Mercenaries and Israeli Defense Force, (1.8K) One-thousand-eight-hundred troops, were training, (2) two Battalions of (Georgians) in the former Soviet Republic of (Georgia) and were King David H. “Betray Us” Petraeus, The Butcher of Islam had them conduct a joint war game, mock exercises between the (2) Battalions of (Georgians), and (2) Two Battalions, some (1,650) One-thousand-six-hundred-fifty, troops from the (AIE). The joint (Georgian)-(AIE) military exercised had been held in mid-July, (3) three short weeks before the conflict. The (2) two Battalions of (AIE) troops were withdrawn, just prior to the (Georgian) Invasion of the breakaway regions of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, as a show of force on (August 8, 2008), most of South Ossetia regions residents had been granted Russian Federation citizenship, after the (1992) (Georgia), South Ossetia hostilities, were the province won de facto independence and Russian Federation troops were assigned by the (UN) United Nations as sanctioned peacekeepers, with the immediate killing of (300) three-hundred civilians and (10) ten Blue Helmet, (UN) United Nations Russian Federation, peacekeepers stationed in South Ossetia, the total count of civilians killed by the (Georgians) invasion was (1,400) one-thousand-four-hundred, that was responded to in kind by the troops of the Russian Federation (58th ) Army and Volstok Brigade, In accordance with the Russian Federation, constitution and federal law, were obliged to honor their pledge to protect the lives and dignity of South Ossetia and Abkhazia citizens or of Russian citizens wherever they are located, turning the show of force into a major military defeat.
Great Power Do Commit Suicide
In an effort on the part of duex homme sérieux (two men of precocious aspect and judgment), King David H. “Betray Us” Petraeus, The Butcher of Islam, King David H. Georgian in consort with the President of the Former Soviet Republic of (Georgia), Mikhail Saakashvili ,and under the (AIE) National Security Strategy doctrine, that the (AIE) has the right to use force, against anyone who it ultimately thinks is going to be a threat to it to preserve access to (RESOURCES AND MARKETS), The Ends Justify the Mean, and Might Makes Right, based in large part on oil, (The Nabucco or (BTC) Baku-Tbilisi-Ceylan gas pipeline) are formulating a plan of an American presence on several thousand hectares of (Georgian) territory of to be used for military bases, with (Georgia) waiving rent and offering the land with a (90) ninety-year lease, eager to join (NATO) The North Atlantic Treaty Organization. And to further the goals of undermining the security of the Russian Federation, is sponsoring the Cooperative Longbow\Lancer (2009) exercise is scheduled to start on (May 6, 2009), under the aegis of (NATO), an international exercise at the (Georgian) military base of Visani, that's just a few hundred kilometers from the Russian border. Will involve (900) nine-hundred troops from (23) Twenty-three (NATO) members and partners. The month-long event will include staff and field training stamping down those opposition forces which have been holding mass protests calling for the resignation of Saakashvili. With the ultimate plan of (AIE) led militarization of Georgia, to resolve the conflict over South Ossetia and Abkhazia Ossetia and by military means, once again. Apparently Heinz Alfred Kissinger, and Thomas Graham of Kissinger Associates a consulting company founder by Heinz, were wrong great powers do commit suicide for their allies.
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THE PIPELINE WAR!
THE QUESTION:
What I do not quite have a grasp of is the need for a "battle" over the Nabucco pipeline. This facility stands to improve the lives of many people (at least on paper) from the drillers and pumpers of the fuel, the security keepers, those who sell the products flowing through, to the consumer at the end of the chain. So is the real problem about a lack of trust amongst the leaders involved? And that such a strategic facility can be easily destroyed anywhere along its length to temporarily or semi-permanently cripple all involved?
EVERYTHING LOOKS GOOD ON PAPER
The best laid plans of mice and men can be made to look good on paper, and so it is with the The Nabucco or (BTC) Baku-Tbilisi-Ceylan gas pipeline is a rival to the Russia Federation (South Stream) gas pipeline designed to annually pump (31) thirty-one billion cubic meters of natural gas from Russia and Central Asia via the Balkans to Europe. Bulgaria, Serbia, Hungary, Italy and Greece have already agreed to participate in the project.
THE TWO MAIN PROBLEMS
The Number (1) one problem is there is not enough product to support both lines, it just does not exist.
The Number (2) two problem is Kurdistan and everyone in the region wants the Kurds to not exist. The Turks have been fighting the (PPK) Kurds forever, the Sunni Arabs and Shi-ite Persians have been trying to make them go away (Chemical Ali), so on the east Turkey, on the west Shi-ite Persian Iran, on the South Sunni Arabs
THE NABUCCO or (BTC) Baku-Tbilisi-Ceylan gas pipeline
The Nabucco gas pipeline: which is to be laid through the territories of the Former Soviet Republic of (Georgia), into, Azerbaijan into the strategic Northwest Iranian territory or Shi-ite Persian Iran were currently (4) four- million Kurds are concentrated in Iran, waiting to declare a Kurdish state, and with Russian peacekeepers in place to protect the new formed Kurdish state from Georgian or Iranian aggression, onto Turkey and the Tabriz refinery, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary and Austria to connect Europe.
PIPELINE WARS
(911)The created incident to create a War on Terror, or War on Islam, to cover a grab for gas and oil. The American Empire knew about the attack on (911) just as it did about Pearl Harbor juat as it made up the attack on a USS Combat ship in the gulf of Tomkin, to bomb North Vietnam. This is about staying in the game at all cost.
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Hercule's #133 blends several different incidents under the rubric of what he calls "Pipeline Wars".
Perhaps we should add, concerning 9/11, references to the Gerald Shea memoranda and to "Urban Moving Systems".
A bungled attempt to replicate the Gulf of Tonkin incident was indulged in by the US Navy off Basra, where Iranian rubber boats were falsely claimed to be threatening US warships.
As a practical matter, how are journalists to attempt to uncover such ploys as they develop? Years ago, Pravda was supplied with good analyses of such developments by the Russian intelligence services.
Why not screen such publications for leads?
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@134,
Could you supply a link to "Urban Moving Systems".
There was fabricated evidence against the Iranians - so it was more than just "falsely claimed" - in my humble opinion.
What about the B52 flying with a-bombs across the USA?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article2396127.ece
There s no way you can "accidently" move A-bombs - you need authority all the way to top and have RFID tag tracking, alerts, alarms etc etc.
Also not being discussed is the Anthrax attacks (the weaponised anthrax could only come from US Labs) and the claims by legendary reporter Seymor Hersh http://www.minnpost.com/ericblackblog/2009/03/11/7310/investigative_reporter_seymour_hersh_describes_executive_assassination_ring
The question is therefore how do we stop "false flag" attacks? Only by having a free and open media and news reporting. Do we have it at the moment?
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Yes, Cool Icon, absolutely maddening is correct. Look at how feverishly sometimes we blog about even just suspected clandestine operations.
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TO THE MODERATOR
Your not letting my post on that is fine no problem (RT) Russia Today and many other outlets do post the same posting, but it would be really neat to know your own personal opinion on the posting after all you did read it, do you have something against Wild Wood Flowers?
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ONCE AGAIN TO THE MODERATOR
POST COMMENTS OR BAN POSTER BUT DO NOT WASTE MY TIME OR YOURS READING WHAT YOU DON'T INTEND TO POST.
In today already walks tomorrow. Today is Tomorrow your worried about yesterday, time waits for no man, time is priceless, yet it cost us nothing, you can do anything you want with it but you can not own it, you can spend it but you can not keep it but once you have lost it, you can never get it back, it is just gone, as the sand flows thru the hour glass so go the days of our lives.
So, stop waiting (OUR) time, post comment or ban postings
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NATO’s plans to hold exercises in Georgia are a bold step towards showing Russia that Tbilisi’s will not be allowed to fall and that Georgia as a whole is NATO partner. Europe’s and US leadership, along with (((Western press have been very quiet about events in Tbilisi and protests against Saakashvili.))) In the shadow of NATO’s exercises, the West cannot show that it is unsupportive of Saakashvili, for regardless of his actions they need someone friendly to them in power in order to have a foothold in the Caspian basin.(Source: With words we govern men Disraeli, Alexy Sazonov Column (RT) Russian Today.
THE PIPELINE WARS MODERATOR?
THE PIPELINE WARS
GEORGIA The Nabucco or (BTC) Baku-Tbilisi-Ceylan gas pipeline:
The Nabucco or (BTC) Baku-Tbilisi-Ceylan gas pipeline: which is to be laid through the territories of the Former Soviet Republic of (GEORGIA), onto, Azerbaijan into the strategic (Northwest Shi-ite Persian Iranian territory of Iran were currently (4) four- million Kurds are concentrated in Iran, waiting to declare a Kurdish state, and with Russian peacekeepers in place to protect the new formed Kurdish state from (GEORGIAN) or Iranian aggression), onto Turkey and the Tabriz refinery, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary and Austria to connect Europe. With the concept of establishing (GEORGIA) as a major energy transit corridor and a rival to the Russia Federation South Stream gas pipeline designed to annually pump (31) thirty-one billion cubic meters of natural gas from Russia and Central Asia via the Balkans to Europe. Bulgaria, Serbia, Hungary, Italy and Greece have already agreed to participate in the project.
GEORGIA President Mikhail Saakashvili
(Georgia) President Mikhail Saakashvilli, is an American-educated lawyer, with many of his advisors are English-speakers who know how to spin in the best tradition of Madison Avenue, Saakashvili became the president of (Georgia) in (2003) after an uprising, organized and financed by the (CIA) Central Intelligence Agency which overthrew Georgia, former leader, Eduard Shevardnadze. The (Georgian) President Saakashvili keeps power by intimidation, bribery, and vote rigging and when faced with widespread protests in (November 2007), amid accusations of widespread corruption and not adequately addressing the countries growing poverty, responded with severe repression, shutting down independent media, detaining opposition leaders, and sending his security forces to assault largely nonviolent demonstrators with tear gas, truncheons, rubber bullets, water cannons, and sonic equipment. Human Rights Watch criticized the government for using excessive force against protesters and the International Crisis Group labeled as authoritarianism, becoming the (AIE) rightwing, and Israeli ally Golden Boy
THE BETRAY US GEORGIA DEFEAT
King David H. “Betray Us” Petraeus, The Butcher of Islam, trained three (3) Battalions of (Georgians) in Iraq, to prepare (Georgian) troops for service in Iraq and intended (NATO) North Atlantic Treaty Organization membership, the (3) Battalions of (Georgians) made up the third largest national contingent, behind the (AIE) American Israeli troops and (UK) United Kingdom troops, in Iraq.
At the same time an additional a (2) two Battalion combined force of (BWI/IDF) Blackwater Inc. Mercenaries and Israeli Defense Force, (1.8K) One-thousand-eight-hundred troops, were training, (2) two Battalions of (Georgians) in the former Soviet Republic of (Georgia) and were King David H. “Betray Us” Petraeus, The Butcher of Islam had them conduct a joint war game, mock exercises between the (2) two Battalions of (Georgians), and (2) Two Battalions, some (1,650) One-thousand-six-hundred-fifty, troops from the (AIE). The joint (Georgian)-(AIE) military exercised had been held in mid-July, (3) three short weeks before the conflict. The (2) two Battalions of (AIE) troops were withdrawn, just prior to the (Georgian) Invasion of the breakaway regions of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, as a show of force on (August 8, 2008), most of South Ossetia regions residents had been granted Russian Federation citizenship, after the (1992) (Georgia), South Ossetia hostilities, were the province won de facto independence and Russian Federation troops were assigned by the (UN) United Nations as sanctioned peacekeepers, with the immediate killing of (300) three-hundred civilians and (10) ten Blue Helmet, (UN) United Nations Russian Federation, peacekeepers stationed in South Ossetia, the total count of civilians killed by the (Georgians) invasion was (1,400) one-thousand-four-hundred, that was responded to in kind by the troops of the Russian Federation (58th ) Army and Volstok Brigade, In accordance with the Russian Federation, constitution and federal law, were obliged to honor their pledge to protect the lives and dignity of South Ossetia and Abkhazia citizens or of Russian citizens wherever they are located, turning the show of force into a major military defeat.
Great Power Do Commit Suicide
In an effort on the part of duex homme sérieux (two men of precocious aspect and judgment), King David H. “Betray Us” Petraeus, The Butcher of Islam, King David H. Georgian in consort with the President of the Former Soviet Republic of (Georgia), Mikhail Saakashvili ,and under the (AIE) National Security Strategy doctrine, that the (AIE) has the right to use force, against anyone who it ultimately thinks is going to be a threat to it to preserve access to (RESOURCES AND MARKETS), The Ends Justify the Mean, and Might Makes Right, based in large part on oil, (The Nabucco or (BTC) Baku-Tbilisi-Ceylan gas pipeline) are formulating a plan of an American presence on several thousand hectares of (Georgian) territory of to be used for military bases, with (Georgia) waiving rent and offering the land with a (90) ninety-year lease, eager to join (NATO) The North Atlantic Treaty Organization. And to further the goals of undermining the security of the Russian Federation, is sponsoring the Cooperative Longbow\Lancer (2009) exercise is scheduled to start on (May 6, 2009), under the aegis of (NATO), an international exercise at the (Georgian) military base of Visani, that's just a few hundred kilometers from the Russian border. Will involve (900) nine-hundred troops from (23) Twenty-three (NATO) members and partners. The month-long event will include staff and field training stamping down those opposition forces which have been holding mass protests calling for the resignation of Saakashvili. With the ultimate plan of (AIE) led militarization of Georgia, to resolve the conflict over South Ossetia and Abkhazia Ossetia and by military means, once again. Apparently Heinz Alfred Kissinger, and Thomas Graham of Kissinger Associates a consulting company founder by Heinz, were wrong great powers do commit suicide for their allies.
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LONDON CALLING
221B Baker Street
Even the occupant of (221B) Baker Street, London, the United Kingdom, on a (7%) solution with ingredients provided from the field of Afghanistan, would know that the (Grand Game II) is Afoot. With Afghanistan only one part of the Islamic Crescent War, The Pipeline Wars, The War on Terror, the War on Islam, its all the same it’s the (Grand Game II), and all of the elements have to be viewed as parts of the (Grand Game II), Puzzle, or Theaters within the Greek Theater, one revolving out of sight as one comes into view. The (Grand Game II) is Afoot.
The Glue
On August 20th, 2009, those in power within the (AIE) American Israeli Empire will purchase the elections that to be held in London, The United Kingdom, and The Common Wealth of Nations, this is the only way in which the (Grand Game II) will be able to continue with any sense that some how it is a legal war, with Britain placing its support and integrity behind the effort. The Glue that hold the whole thing together, but it requires to parts the Government (The Resin) and the Public (The Catalyst), the Resin will be purchased, the question will be if the Catalyst will form up behind it and provide the necessary support.
This is London Calling
This is Edward R. Morrow, and this is London Calling, that loud thud and explosion you just hear was a (V-2) Buzz Bomb exploding within yet another London neighborhood, and you can hear the air raid sirens blaring behind me as rescue personnel are heading to the scene, that loud roar just hear was one of our boys in a Spitfire (RAF) Royal Air Force Fighter, going after a Jerry bomber. But, this time it is not going to be that there is (Fog in Channel; Continent Cut Off), this time it could be this is your reporter Jack (Face of Bose) Harkness, reporting from an area just outside London, were the emergency personnel are advising us we can only stay a short period of time as the radiation levels are increasing, we are being advised to relocate to a position up wind of the what seems to have been a thermo-nuclear device having detonated in the heart of London in the middle of its busiest times of the day, we are sorry we have to go, but will return to our broadcast once in a safer location. The British Troops sent to Afghanistan will be placed into hardened locations and surrounded by Empire Troops they will be a hardened target, but that can not be said about London, which will be the soft target, the Empire is oceans away, London is a tunnel away. Who’s device, what mega-tonnage, When will it happen, Were London, Why Pipelines, (The Grand Game II) is Afoot.
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Subject:
Obama's Afghanistan strategy
Posting:
The New York Review of Books (February 12, 2009) has an article ?Pakistan in Peril? that did a lot to inform me about the situation in Afghanistan and Pakistan:
??... Members of the Taliban already control over 70 percent of the country, up from just over 50 percent in November 2007, where they collect taxes, enforce Sharia law, and dispense their usual rough justice; but they do succeed, to some extent, in containing the wave of crime and corruption that has marked Hamid Karzai's rule??
Among many other things, this article shows why the Pakistani intelligence services support the Taliban.
The same issue has an article ?How to Deal with Iran? that is recommended by Henry Kissinger and Zhigniew Brzezinski.
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TO MODERATOR WILD WOOD FLOWERS
Which part do you on (BBC) find to be offensive, as (RT) Russia Today has posted it in its without objections, one site posts another site does NOT, (POINT OUT YOU SPECIFIC OBJECTIONS AND THEY WILL BE CORRECTED AND RESUMMITTED) the poster can not read minds, again (RT) Russia Today posted the complete article without objection. Its like submitting a paper to a professor one gives you an (A) and the other an (F), on the same paper. (POINT OUT THE SPECIFIC OBJECTION) it will be corrected red marking or just the (F) doesn't mean a thing.
Hercule Savinien
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TO MODERATORS
You are more than reasonable about submissions and by far an (A+) compared to the Guardian, (AOL) America On Line, and The HuffingtonPost.Com.,no notification of a problem just your banned, but that being said your a bit confusing one day you remove a posting and the very next day no changes simple an addition from (RT) Russian Today voicing their opinion that the Western Press is not posting a story for geo-political reason and then (THE PIPELINE WARS) is posted, it does not make sense, and then its the Wild Wood Flower, about Afghanistan its simply confusing, yes each publication sets its own standards, but what is it (SPECIFICALLY) especially when you submit a paper one day its rejected the next accepted without changes. You have a responsibility upon rejection to be (SPECIFIC), bold print whatever for resubmission, your the editor in charge of the sight, how would you like a editor who hands you back your submission and just says rewrite it, why, whats wrong just rewrite it, the next day you give it back to him without change he smiles and prints it, that nuts.
Hercule Savinien
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Many posters, particularly on this bulletin, do not seem to realize that UK freedom of press is not as comprehensive as in the US. If I remember correctly, there is actually a law against print content that might incite riot, rebellion, anarchy, and or other social unrest. The BBC as a publisher would be held liable for any such content being published through any of its broadcasts. It can lose I would imagine its franchise license and or receive penalties from an UK communications commission or perhaps even be held criminally liable for violation of a UK statute or mandate which results in any of the potential social unrest the government is attempting to prevent. However, by and large, you in the UK have freedom of press and get a well balanced report of world news and other events as well as good investigatory reporting.
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Clarification not Legal Mobo Jumbo
The bible what ever version could be viewed as having content that might incite riot, rebellion, anarchy, and or other social unrest, the Spirit Dance got Native Americans Killed, the Declaration of Independence and his paper got Patrick Henry Hung, lawyers become politicians and we wonder why goverment doesn't work. Making the journalist system work is about working within the system if it is possible, not about sighting rules of law, it about the truth not about what lawyers twist to be the truth. A a request for clarification is not serving them with a warrant or legal process, it about Hey Profession whats the problem can we get a little direction office hours. When three other professors (Russia Today, NewWestNote.Com Bill Bradley, and Al Jezeera) post but Times London will not post on one day and then post on another. Poor Richard Almanac now there was a little sedition. Clarification not Legal mombo jumbo, lawyers are a road block to entering the new (21st) Century.
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(The same issue has an article ?How to Deal with Iran? that is recommended by Henry Kissinger and Zhigniew Brzezinski.)
Did Heinz Kssinger, Thomas Graham, or Zhigniew Brezinski, run their ideas about how to Deal with Iran, do to the fact that (PM) Prime Minter of Israel Benyamin Netanyahu, the current leader of the Likud party, has in print stated the intent to deal with their problem with Shi-ite Persian Iran in no more than months and possibly weeks after his scheduled meeting with the Imperial Media Messiah President in May, by using Empire supplied bunker busting bombs tipped with nuclear devices. Now that would mean Heinz must be a (Shministim), and Benyamin a (Zionist) or not.
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Hey. I am not saying that it should not be more comprehensive, UK freedom of press. I am just stating that it is not. "It is what it is." Apparently, you are, if nothing else, a Russian loyalist, with an anti "Zionist" predisposition. Your arguments seem to possess at least those two agendas and lack both objectivity as well as balance. Lawyers generally are instructed to look at both sides of a story. Apparently, a White House lawyer was in charge of the accumulation and publication of results of the 9/11 commission. From that perspective, yes perhaps lawyers are an obstruction to the discovery of truth in that they are the best equipped to do so because they are highly trained to know how the opposition as well as neutral parties, initially, members of the public, will respond. Your voiced predispositions can become quite slippery in slope if we start believing that MBAs, as well, are no earthly or godly good, because of the global financial crisis in which we all are currently entrenched. So, buddy, pipe down at least a little, believe me there are some things I also wish I could post in response to your diatribes that I wouldn't dare try to slip past the moderators, not necessarily profane, either. It is like a club with a bouncer, the peace must be maintained and fighting words, belligerence, or similar stridency must be minimized, on a broadcast forum as well as within a personally social establishment.
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Believe me, if some of your statements in Russia Today, which I have yet to visit, were as critical of post Cold War Russia as you are of the "AIE," the UK, as well as some AIE and UK allies, the post Cold War Poliburo and or KGB would be knocking on your door with an arrest warrant. "Hello, Greek Myth, we have an arrest warrant instructing us to bring you to the Kremlin for questioning regarding the content of some of your internet transmissions."
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@146, 149, 150
Wonder if the regulation you're referring to was regulatory back in 1953.
I know you mean well, but do tell, how are things at home? 'Fighting for net' are we? Pentagon still embedding mercenaries, shills if you prefer, to pose as independent analysts? Does National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 177 still serve as the core of the conduct? Are folks afraid of the libel and label? How about academic freedoms, I've seen some improvements, but are we to be satisfied?
Perspectives
That training you've mentioned, many well trained individuals thought that Geert's Fitna would inflame the world; equal many were surprised when it fizzled. Apparently, now we need a take two and a whole new set of audience to warm things up a bit.
On the other hand and on the other side of freedom of expression lays suppression, so what about suppression? What if the suppression of the information threats to instigate social unrests? Or even worse, what if the suppression of information constitutes criminal act?
Can some members of American media be brought to trial for their participation in High Treason and their part in 9/11 cover up?
What is the duty of 'free press' in US? Can you pinpoint the day when all safe guards were removed and First Amendment was abolished?
Pulitzer winner Seymour Hersh reveals Cheney's assassination ring, gets no press
What happened to Barry Jennings, polonium?
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Not everyone knows that the New York Review of Books has about half of its reviews devoted to domestic and international politics and that they have an electronic edition- this is a suggestion intended especially for BBC researchers.
As our USAtty points out, knowing both sides of an argument is important- a point often missed by partisans.
Concerning Cheney's alleged "Assassination Ring": I have not seen a statement concerning a specific assassination. Without that, it is a vaporous and vapid assertion not subject to investigation.
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Partisanship or not, we’re lacking suspects, we especially lack suspects which were not tortured. I’ve just read how that ‘A to Z’ fellow was drowned 183 times. Recently, I was, well I was not surprised to see that Cole suspect Nashiri stated that his confession about his role in bombing was made because of the torture he withstand from U.S. interrogators.
Call it vapid but Hersh’s allegation that Joint Special Operations Command carried ‘assassinations’ is something you don’t need to verify at all. Terminology aside, predator strike here and there and it is so, although I’m not sure that signor Cheney is the man who should have provided oversight for such ops.
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The whole thing about freedom and liberty is that liberties do not have to be exercised. To paraphrase a proverb of Benjamin Franklin, one who would give up a little liberty for more safety deserves neither. So, yes, the press has failed all over the years, particularly since 9/11. At least in the UK, there is no pretense of a totally free press. In the US, and UK for that matter, the market for unbiased news and "all media withholds" barred reporting, will smoke out who are the contenders and who are the pretenders.
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Okay. I've finally gone to Russia Today. There is no writing, editorial or investigative reporting, on that website, that I can ascertain, whatsoever. Thus, no wonder if one makes comments critical of the "AIE," the UK, or their allies, respectively, just for starters, that is more editorial opinion than the site has seen, in combination, for quite some time.
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If Benjamin Franklin were alive today I fancy he'd be pretty livid about what he could see. The problem with the UK press is the serious decline in standards since broadcasting was allowed to burgeon into a rapid growth industry by Thatcher. Prior to Thatcher we had a whole host of independent and lay journalists, writers and broadcasters who injected their own personalities and ideas into what we read, saw and heard. We need not know their particular bias from the "colour or creed" of their publisher for we could glean it for ourselves. These people were unpredictable "on air", largely unshackled by producers. You may remember Bernard Levin of TW3 fame, a BBC programme live on air which broke new ground for adult reporting, satire, and insight.
There was a heavy risk factor even in those times when people were much less fearful of speaking their minds. The BBC was a service rather than the monolithic giant it has become, and did not attempt to pen the sheep together before it delivered the fodder. Now the BBC has divided its audience into quotas each fed different fodder rather as a marketing company attempts to "trap" its target through strategic advertising. This follows the strategy of Thatcher to divide and rule.
Even in these blogs the heavy hand of the BBC is seen in how subject matter is selected and items moderated. Some will note how comments disappear into thin air when a member of the BBC staff gets nervous about the content (see Roxanna Saberi as a current example). Hence the BBC is acting more like a private company than a public service provider.
For news to be delivered properly it must be factual and accurate. For comment to be made fairly it must cover all sides of the item equally. What appears to be happening with the BBC is news and comment being merged together, delivered in such a way that "inaccuracies" get covered by clever (and often ambiguous) wording. Even the coverage of Israel, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan and the former Soviet states is tainted by bias (the political leaning of the BBC monolith). Compare the energy dispensed on the "badness" of Iran with the "badness" of the UK's illegal war with Iraq and Afghanistan. This is now merged into the "well we are there", and "that is Iran for you" misinformation.
To succeed as a public service the BBC must have the freedom to be completely neutral unshackled by cries of the only way to prevent discrimination is to positively focus on perceived minorities. This is again the "divide and rule" philosophy at work, instead of the "we are unique in that we do not have commercial or political interests ruling us" self belief required of a National broadcaster.
To see the flaws in the BBC is so easy and yet the monolith seems an impregnable fortress. It has too much money without being accountable to its PAYING audiences - something that commercial broadcasters do not have as a luxury. Perhaps divide and rule should apply to every inch of the BBC machine until we are left to pay only for its news service free from all external influences except for license payers.
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Like Obama did with the most recent "Pan Am" conference, extending an "olive branch" to Chavez and Castro, that is Venezuela as well as Cuba, he extended an olive branch to the faltering global media industry through his new policy of governmental transparency. However, Houston, Edinburgh, and others, we have a problem. How do we sell the traditional newspaper. I should be charging a consulting fee for this advice and hope you will think of me if there is any gratitude in your hearts concerning conference and, or if there is a reward for 7/7, please likewise think of me. By the way, 7/7 was not a false flag. Now back to the hard copy media extinction crisis. The vendor on the street no longer has a vested interest in the newspaper corporation. More often than not, he is an independent contractor in the day labor genre, who is just trying to make a buck to survive from day to day. He is not an employee of the newspaper. He does not give a squat about your survival. Make him an employee employed on the front lines with incentives. What we are seeing with the global economy due to the instantaneous flow of information is a lack of romanticism in the traditional sense. Romanticism is a return back to nature, in this case, what is the most natural or least enhanced by science and modern technology. What happened to the paperboy or man on the street corner, yelling headlines like, "Intelligence assassination ring exposed direct link to former VP Dick Cheney." For 50 cents or the equivalent portion of a quid, people are going to buy the newspaper even if they could eventually get it online because it is there, convenient, and reasonably priced. Believe me, people are wishing they had more time to read the paper on a consistent daily basis. Equip these foot soldiers with signs soliciting the imparting of breaking news and, for the breaking news, equip same with cell phones as well as contact information to the appropriate journalistic staff depending on the story. With all our technology, we have lost touch with nature and, hence, the romantic. From Merced with love. Show me some.
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Of course, subscribers are needed. I cannot answer that one, especially within this sluggish economy. Even having sign up sheets probably would not boost up subscription circulation significantly. So, on the street, sell the paper through the roof.
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Greek fantasy, no, the choice would be mine. The Greek one would be but an amoeba to the attorney if the latter decided to make a concerted effort to silence the former's sad attempt at being a media provocateur. Attorney has skills in the black arts going back to pre-colonial days that he is confident are unmatched by most. So, the one with the Greek fantasy should be careful what he wishes for because it may in fact be obtained.
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Wow. Reader Bolt. That was a great commentary in response to the Benjamin Franklin proverb. I do not know much about that British PM, or any for that matter, but am sure she was as politically astute as a sledgehammer or an "Iron Fist," if you will, thank you Greek Legend. However, she seemed to be a very independent thinker and not easily manipulated by foreign heads of state like perhaps her eventual successor, Blair. I seem to remember a man of somewhat even more humble upbringing by the last name of Smith, I believe.
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Your knowledge is excellent considering the fairly low profile of UK politics on the global scene. You are thinking of John Smith, a humble, good natured, well respected politician who worked tirelessly to unite the divisive elements within the Labour movement. A man trusted and respected by all sides of the complex that was our "old" Labour Party he would have resisted to the last any attempt to manoeuvre into power by dishonest means. He died tragically from a heart attack. Your short statement on Blair is stunningly concise (perhaps our most hated politician after Thatcher)!
BTW I agree with your comment about news vendors and I wonder why technology is not used to print news sheet at the time you buy so you know you have the most up to date edition. News paper is so much more relaxing than sitting in front of a TV or computer monitor watching repeated two minute slots of watered down rubbish. Where is the insight FGS? I just get the impression that most of today's journalists are clones created by academics who do not know what they are doing but like the size of their pay checks.
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Rather than thinking of the BBC as a monolith, it seems to me to be composed of many "small worlds", some having agendas and one or two being corrupt. In the competetion of ideas, the successful will rise to prominence and the corrupt wane.
The print media are largely controlled by commercial and political interest. Even the NYT is in straited finances and the Christian Science Monitor has gone electronic.
How to encourage the independent voice and investigative reporting is a good question for our time. However, I do not foresee a return to the hawker on the street yelling "Extra". I suspect the answer will come from the internet, blogs and automated and individualised news selection.
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When small worlds are fed and resourced by a rigid and confined bigger world then they adapt to and eventually become indistinguishable from that world. In commerce we see it in takeovers. When success is measured by popularity rather than intrinsic value then it ceases to be a reliable measure. Corruption is, regrettably, far too often deliberate misinterpretation of unwelcome invention or innovation, whilst dangerously sycophantic behaviours are rewarded for their obedience to the whole. Agendas are dangerous (even in close personal relationships) but they are more readily identified than deliberate obedience to the whole. These days agendas tend to be hidden in portrayals of opinion stated as fact.
Competition should, in theory, always produce success. When it is measured by inappropriate and unreliable yardsticks then it is a wholly dangerous, misleading and fatuous game. Our present values focus not on true competition but on the importance of margins. In the world of news production (as elsewhere) these margins allow "poor" participators to create and cling to comfort zones, whilst their front line attacks looks for "exclusives" or "scoops" for short term manipulation of the margins, at the expense and loss of items of intrinsic and long term value to the audience or customer.
When there is little difference between the commercial and public service worlds then we know that accountability has become the puppet playing in the margins. We observe this, to our acute discomfort, in league tables and the pursuit of "celebrity value". It is a sad parody of true competition. How much do we really know or understand of the world of politics? Are news items simply geography lessons for the masses, attempts to marginalise truth, morality and righteousness, or acts of obedient journalism? Are we in danger of losing honest reporting completely?
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@157 ‘By the way, 7/7 was not a false flag’.
7/7 has all the marks of the false flag attack; therefore it cannot be false flag attack?
I’d say that if you put inconsistencies of 7 July bombings in historical context there is little doubt on what transpired.
7/7 bombings were false flag attack.
What did the inquiry show?
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In answering what the inquiry showed, first, let me paraphrase the question. I do not have the exact wording or reading with me at this time but will bring it tomorrow and respond further. The question was: Was the UK responsible for the July 7, 2005, terrorist attacks in London? The solution line of the reading was a two out of three, no. It was also asked whether the US had anything to do with said attacks, the answer was no, I believe, unanimously, but I do not have the narrative results with me today. Again, I will follow up with specific language tomorrow. So the answer to the first question indicates an element of falsity, again, I believe the indication may have been indicated in the middle so that if orchestrated by a government operative, he or she had to do little to effectuate the attack it possibly going to be carried out by the perpetrators anyway. If I remember correctly, there was an indication as well of the weakness of a central figure and he or she being easily led. One thing about such inquiries done by outside parties, such as myself, in being able to confirm accuracy, is whether or not it describes your life at the time of the event queried about. Though I will not communicate the backdrop to you on the morrow when I have the narrative notes, I can tell you that it fit my life to the tee. Thank you for your interest in the results of the inquiry and for that I may ride over to my little flat right now and get them, returning shortly.
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The crucial emphasis on 7/7 (as with 9/11) is "was it preventable"? At least a proportion of the evidence (CCTV coverage and intelligence) suggests it was. So why wasn't it prevented?
Was the death of Jean Charles de Menezes preventable? Almost all the evidence suggests it was. So why wasn't it prevented? The police admit they had surveillance and intelligence evidence of a "terrorist bomb cell" operating a failed bomb attempt on the London Tube the day before JCdM was killed. They therefore knew the kind of devices being used and the IDs of those involved. How could JCdM be a relevant suspect at any given moment along his fated journey from his home to Stockwell Tube Station? Is mistaken identity a "reasonable" explanation for the police action? Did the media fully report on these events, before, during and after they occurred? What could be gained from the murders of many innocent people?
The processes of western powers carry far too many "convenient coincidences" for these events to be anything other than false flags and our media have (with only minor exceptions) swallowed the bait, hook, line and sinker. Why have they been so gullible?
When nations start playing politics with innocent people's lives then we really have lost the plot as a species. Who is behind this power game that has no shame? Why haven't the western media covered the Danish scientific discovery of high grade unspent thermite in the dust of Ground Zero in detail?
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Actually, the falsity was indicated at the end of the solution line. A Crowley deck with a Rowenna Stuart interpretation was employed. A question and answer spread was used to answer the following question. Was the July 7, 2005, terrorist attack in London part of an United Kingdom conspiracy and or cover up? Short answer, no.
The significator of this reading indicates a Gemini, Libra, or Aquarius, someone with an energetic personality, alert, and strongly opinionated. The person signified has a penetrating mind and possesses keen analytical skills that get swiftly to the rest of the issue. This being so, he can be an excellent negotiator, particularly where subtlety and wise judgment are required. Representing a situation, change was indicated with the necessity to make quick and responsible decisions.
The first part of the background surrounding the answer to this question represents a Taurus, Capricorn, or Virgo, of which with the very former, Blair or even the Queen may fit the bill. This part of the reading serves as a warning against becoming to wrapped up in the acquisition of wealth. Greed, possessiveness, and poor spiritual awareness are all indicated by this part of the reading. Such traits will inevitably cause the person so signified feelings of discontent, anxiety, and insecurity. Key themes include materialism, self absorption, and anxiety.
The second half of the backgound surrounding the answer to this question includes an aggressive personality and a tendency to be impatient as well as headstrong. Combined, these qualities tend to exacerbate situations which call for fact and diplomacy to resolve them. A force capable of causing real harm such as illness, natural disaster or accident, is represented. Again, a Gemini, Libra, or Aquarius is or are indicated. Note, Dick Cheney is an Aquarius.
The first part of the solution being a negative indicates that the a Pisces, Cancer, or Scorpio, in this case, perhaps George W. Bush and or Condoleeza Rice, were bored with his and or her lifestyle presenting the danger of degenerating into self pity and lethargy, making it increasingly difficult for him or her to motivate himself to make the changes necessary. Depression at the root of health problems are also signified with this or these persons. Key themes, here, include, apathy, depression, and lethargy.
The second part of the solution line of this reading warns against the dangers of advancing too quickly. Swift progress and other positive features of the orientation of this part of the reading could be negated by overeagerness leading to rash or ill considered judgments, and wasted effort. Delays are strongly featured and plans may have to be postposed. Leo, Aries, or Sagitarius is represented. To me, none of the major governmental players in answer to this question are indicated.
The last part of the answer to this question indicates major conflicts and challenges. They may be as straight forward as an exam but it could also signify a more personal struggle at work or in relationships. However, this part of the answer also indicates the person embodied in this card has great reserves of courage, integrity, and stamina. The resolution may seem some way off but if this person maintains his position and faces up to the challenge, the prospects for success are good. Again, in the answer, a Leo, Aries, or Sagitarious is indicated.
The outcome indicates characteristics leading to the development of inertia, timidity, ineffectiveness, and signify an unmotivated young man. Progress has slowed in his financial or business affairs and is in danger of stagnating unless a new approach is sought.
Here, a Taurus, Capricorn, or Virgo is indicated, again, perhaps Blair. So, the bottom line is that it was not a conspiracy within the government but may have perhaps been masterminded by a government employee, perhaps from MI5 or MI6, or from the yards, who is a Leo, Aries, or Sagitarius, using primarily people who were either Gemini, Libra, or Aquarius. That is as far as it goes. He used his access and state of affairs within the UK to capitalize on security weaknesses to pull off what he would venture to say was a perfect crime. I would venture to say said mastermind has read Bourne Identity by Robert Ludlum which has an AP Article essentially starting off the book dated July 7, 1975. When I did this reading, I just so happened to be reading that same book. When I googled the date, I came up as well with July 7, 1965, the date of the release of a publication regarding the JFK assassination. So, I would also venture to say that the mastermind is an assassination trivia fanatic. I know that several suspects, mostly of Arab descent were rounded up but, if they had anything to do with 7/7 at all, one of the people would be this person or if this person has not been apprehended, that they worked under his direction or orchestration.
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So, I would venture to say, for the 7/7 mastermind, you are looking for a disgruntled government employee on the periphery of UK government and or the intelliegence or law enforcement community, who wanted a raise and or promotion launching him into the spotlight of the UK intelligence community or at least domestic counterintelligence who had a bone to pick with the person indicated by the significator of the reading. In other words, 7/7 might enable him to claim or have it remembered, "I told you so," or said, "this is exactly what so and so said we had to take precautions against," and lead to appointment to the position sought.
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Sorry, Reader Bolt, but the answer to the question of whether 7/7 could have been prevented is a foregone conclusion in the affirmative. The occurrence of the event cannot be reversed. One needs to make sure that the right people are being apprehended in their totality.
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The answer would also be the same for Ground Zero, a foregone conclusion in the affirmative, and if part of a US Government conspiracy and or cover up, we would know at least a good number of the main players.
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Edward Alexander C.would have been proud of that, he most surely would! However, M Hone may have been a little more careful about the use of the major globe as a prognosticator of personality. Moving the clock back to the time of Stonehenge, and analysing early works by middle eastern scientists suggests the rising moment compels and drives the individual, sensitised by the lesser satellite. A person born at dawn or just after would be "double decked". Do not look for the major globe but instead for the moment of birth.
The Messenger Star of two thousand years ago was a very rare and very close conjunction of Saturn and Jupiter just before dawn. This would have been exceedingly bright and formidable in appearance and seen across the whole of mid and east Asia in full glory. Surely a marker for "something Great" as They said. Who or What has been distorted by the loss of the minor works rather than those in perpetual print? Who or what has immortality or perpetual rebirth? The Significator is complex - trading in weird signs from years ago, once etched in Stone with accompanying Ceremony and distorted body shapes, now completely clandestine, silent and accessible by the Few. The Vessel is not where it should be. And the written works of detectives follow too many scarlet fishes, for the Word will damage the thoughts. And does the scarlet fish not need a short sleep for which His poetry became famous?
A Great Detective of fact and fiction carries his and her personality into great chambers of powerful seats not to discuss but to instruct. The Bourne Identity suggests loss of memory and flashes of guilt with an escape to buy time. Is "Moriarty" real or imagined, singular or plural? Is "Moriarty" a dark complex with flashes of chromium upon its shoulders, dressed in appropriate clothes of identity. Is the "anti-christ" the opposite major globe sign of the leader of the ones in dark clothes? Or is he just a lieutenant in pecking order if not rank? He "Shall Succeed"?
9/11 and 7/7 may have occurred at given moments but their planning began in earnest much time before. How and when were the components signed up? How and when were they kept quiet? Who determined the moments?
Has all this been spoken of in a minor Book that was published, but the keys to it in minor books "unpublished" but "read" by academics but few believers? Aquarius passes into Pisces and the question becomes "what was that all about"? Not a "water" carrier but a liquid in appearance as black as the uniforms it represents. Is Pisces the gas that can give and take life at will?
Where are the apprentices of Mr EAC and are they now masters in their trades? We have lost the patience required to become worthy apprentices of the trades that offer the answers to the mystery of 9/11 and 7/7, the Iraq and Afghan wars and anything else that remains just out of reach.
Certainly the Mystic Arts are as much of benefit to us now as any given page of our trivialised press.
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# 165 Tolb
The concern that large organisations tend to monolithic uniformity is a valid one.
To foster or maintain “small world” characteristics should then become an objective.
With established journalists, this should not be too difficult. It is among the supporting personnel that the problem is endemic.
For example, Reynolds, in reporting from China, indicated that both China and the USA had world-scale military ambitions. When he was challenged to document this on his blog, the thread was closed.
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In case you are in doubt I do subscribe to the "small world" model, as long as it keeps its personality and identity by being completely outside the monolith. I think what is at issue is the attempts of the BBC to fracture its make up into tiny modules as if this will break the monolith up. By having sections covering Africa, Asia, Wales, Scotland, etc and still further breaks into Welsh, Hindu, etc. the BBC seems unable to grasp that people are the same whatever their language and that subtitle selection would be far better than special stations which cost lots of money. This would also break down the ignorance of those who do not want to know anything other than their "Mother" tells them. To share requires integration and yet the UK is segregated far beyond natural methodology.
I also believe that there are at most between 100 to 150 journalists bold enough to give news a real chance to reverberate and resonate with its importance. These vibes make it possible to see the chinks and expose bias in such a way that it cannot be denied. With so many outlets wanting good journalists we get watered down news more often than not. That is my prime concern. Were the BBC news only it would be the best there was but less than a hand full of existing staff would make the cut.
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I think that a "news only" policy would be impossible to fully realise and that the contrary is desirable in the sense of providing a special format for exposition.
For example, Bowen, a very experienced and distinguished journalist, mentioned "Zionism's innate instinct to push out the frontier" and said that Israel showed a "defiance of everyone's interpretation of international law except its own", adding that its generals felt that they were dealing with "unfinished business".
Those comments were faulted by the watchdog, although they concisely express demonstrable truths.
News reporting often needs exposition, although such exposition should be separated from the news reports and should be more lengthy. The New York Review of Books offers a valuable example of such exposition, but the articles are too lengthy for the BBC.
I hope that the BBC can come up with a format for such expanded views.
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Just to be clear - "news only" would cover current affairs, documentaries, politics in general, and commentary but would not leach out to areas of entertainment. News has its own great colours and deeply rich contrasts without needing second generation CGI to make it digestible.
Programs such as Horizon etc would still have important roles and there should be at least enough material to fill two to three channels. But the key is that the BBC would have to be neutral or else. Its catchment would need to be inclusive of ordinary working people who are, at the moment, disenfranchised by all media sectors including the "middle classes rich" BBC.
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Reader Bolt, the significance of Bourne Identity is first of all that the book enunciates how one can be part of a criminal enterprise without knowing what his or her role is in that enterprise. Secondly, I started reading the book before ever going on the BBC website. Third, I discovered the AP article in the book had a 7/7 date after doing the 7/7 reading and after fininshing or shortly before finishing the book. The tidbit about the JFK assassination publication came up while doing a google on 7/7/05. There are just too many meathooks for there not to be some connection. Now, addressing what I believe is a major part of your subsequent argument, if life, and death for that matter, are eternal and everlasting, with no beginning and no end, one can essentially close his or her eyes and pick either in terms of where one should start. I agree, to know all answers in life, particularly metaphysical or existential, you must go to the beginning, and that is what I have attempted to do since December 14, 2004. To me, the beginning starts with the Book of the Dead, Papyrus of Ani, ancient Egypt, and my answers, questions, and quests have boomeranged from henceforth. Suggested reading to any interested is a countryman of yours by the name of Albert Churchward.
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So, I would speculate that the mastermind and six unwitting conspirators committed the acts of 7/7. The other six knew that an act of terrorism against the UK was to transpire. They were told to get in place, make cell phone calls at certain times, and the like. The other six co-conspirators did not know the identity of the mastermind. He had access to their whereabouts via camera because he is or was a person placed within at least the periphery of government, the UK IC, and or UK law enforcement. On that note, but not likely, he could be a foreign national within same or, likewise, a Brit, of Arab descent. Cell phone calls and other electronic transmissions merely confirmed the identity to the mastermind of the other co-conspirators, respectively and individually.
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Think it was the attorneyusa (regards), who mentioned the people with ultimate power.
I find it interesting, the misfortune of those with 'ultimate power', it's almost as if some absolute, some supreme power was at the play on 9/11.
All went wrong with lucky #7, we had to pull it and now the whole free world is dialing 911.
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I'd say that 7/7 bombings were clandestine operation carried with full knowledge of the top administration officials.
What did the inquiry show?
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PREACHING TO THE CHOIR
Gathering The Choir
The leaders of Israel, (PM) Prime Minister Benyamin Netanyahu, and the current leader of the Likud party, Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, and the Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas will visit the White House in the near future, before Imperial Media Messiah President, leaves to visit Normandy, France, on June 6th 2009, according to White House press spokes person, Robert Gibbs, after a meeting between the Imperial Media Messiah President, and Jordian King Abdullah II, the gathering of the choir, to put on a choral recital, to achieve a comprehensive peace in the Middle East, based upon the Nethanyahu terms.
(PM) Prime Minister Benyamin Netanyahu
Neither Netanyahu nor his principal military advisers would suggest a deadline for American progress on the Iran nuclear program, though one aide said pointedly that Israeli time lines are now drawn in months, (not years) These same military advisers said that they believe the defenses ofIran remain penetrable, and that Israel would not necessarily need American approval to launch an attack. (The problem is not military capability; the problem is whether you have the stomach, the political will, to take action). Netanyahu, is the head of a coalition comprised of ultra-nationalists not interested in a two state solution or the Palestinians right to an independent state, while violating basic human rights of the Palestinians, thru tactics of persecution, ghettoization and cultural and religious ostracism.
Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas
The Imperial Media Messiah President has proven to have no clothes saying one thing and doing another stating that, dialogue with ones enemy is true diplomacy, yet steadfastly refusing to meet Hamas, who comprise the democratically elected leaders of Palestine, in stead of Abbas, who is an American puppet.
Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak
Egypt at one time controlled Gaza and the Sinai. They, too, do not welcome the Palestinians into their midst which is not any different than their attitude currently. Take a look at the wall that Egypt build on the Gaza border. They shoot any Palestinian who tried to sneak into Egypt. Egypt, no less than Israel, has made clear its discomfort with an Iranian proxy on its border. Furthermore, it sees Tehran threatening Cairos traditional leadership of the Arab world. The Persians are trying to devour the Arab states, said Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak at a meeting of Egypt’s ruling party. Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, is more uncomfortable with another Islamic State supported by Shi-ite Persian Iran, to the point that President of Egypt would not open Egyptian boarders to permit innocent civilian men, women and children to flee in the face of an Israeli Genocide, as War Crimes were being committed as (1,300) One-Thousand Three Hundred, and (7000) seven thousand were wounded, and (85%) eighty-five percent of an Islamic State was damaged or destroyed, to gain some sense of being an Islamic leader.
Jordanian King Abdullah II
Jordan, the British Palestinian a Mandate created national homeland partitioned state, of which (76%) Seventy-six percent and its major ethnic group is Palestinian, it is a Palestinian State, having a (98%) ninety-eight percent Arab population (48%) forty-eight percent of which is Palestinian. But, the unequalled champion of peace, Jordan’s King Abdullah II allows, Palestinian refugee camps to still exist, and yet can the Palestinians find a homeland in Jordan, not according to King Abdullah II of Jordon. Walid Shoebat, a former Palestinian terrorist, has testified to the artificiality of the argument many times in quotes such as these; why, is it that on (June 4th 1967), I was a Jordanian and overnight I became a Palestinian? We did not particularly mind Jordanian rule. The teaching of the destruction of Israel was a definite part of the curriculum, but we considered ourselves Jordanian until the Jews returned to Jerusalem. Then all of the sudden we were Palestinians - they removed the star from the Jordanian flag and all of the sudden we had a Palestinian flag. And (PM) Prime Minister Benyamin Netanyahu asserts that, if Shi-ite, Persian, Iran acquires nuclear weapons, The (AIE) Arab allies would drift into the orbit of Iran orbit. In the same manner King Hussein in many ways subordinated his country to Saddam Hussein when Saddam invaded Kuwait in (1990). Saddam seemed all-powerful, unchallenged by the (AIE), and until Kuwait was taken from the grip of Saddam, King Hussein was very much in the orbit of Iraq and the minute that changed, with the defeat of Saddam, King Hussein came back to the Western camp.
June 6th 2009 A Day of Infamy
On June 6th 2009, The Imperial Media Messiah President of the (AIE) American Israeli Empire will make a trip once again to the well of the Normandy Beaches of France to use the Ghost of Patriots long gone who served another nation the (USA) United States of America, giving their last devotion to the principles upon which that nation had been built and since has been lost, and so doing diminishing each one sacrificed, In an effort to once again effect the August 20th 2009, elections of the (UK) United Kingdom, the British Commonwealth, to support the goals of the (AIE) in its misuse of power, establishing the principle that The Ends Justify the Mean, and Might Makes Right, that the Empire above all others has the right to use FORCE, against anyone who it ultimately thinks is going to be a threat to it to preserve access to (RESOURCES AND MARKETS), The War in the Former Soviet Republic of Georgia, War (UN) United Nations declared illegal war in Iraq, with (50K) Fifty-thousand illegal troops of occupation ,The Nabucco gas pipeline, and now the (Af-PaK) War of the Central Asian, pipeline, and the pre-emptive attack upon Iran, for control of The Caspian Sea Basin. And, in August during the Commonwealth election were will the Imperial Media Messiah President be, at yet another beach only this time it will be an exclusive, self apartide- self established segregated, community in the Northeast amongst (His People), and stands to reason since the Empire refused to participate in the (UN) United Nations Conference on Racism, discrimination and reverse discrimination, its all the same discrimination, the mot juste, the reality of life, the hard-nosed assessment of the way things really are, and we just have to deal with it, August Imperial Vacation.
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If you are speaking of 9/11, as the beginning, believe me, I did that reading before 7/7. However, before doing that reading, I cautioned that I would not transmit the results of that reading over this website with the caveat that they may find their way to you within the near future. I believe that I owe my country, out of loyalty and patriotism as well as, of course, an opportunity for it to pay for the interpretation, first dibs on the imparting of the content of said results.
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#181, now, we are finding some points of agreement. There can be no true peace in the Palestinian Israeli realm of the ME without bringing Hamas to the negotiating table. Hamas was democratically elected and for the US, Israel, and others to deny it a spot in the diplomatic process is hypocritical as well as contrary to a democratic system of governance which it is presumed that at least the US is interested in promoting. Now about a Palestinian homeland, it is quite interesting indeed that the surrounding Arab states of say for starters Jordan and Egypt are not in the least interested in carving out an independent state for the Palestinians. I have no doubt that Palestinians are abhorred even perhaps more than Israelis in terms of settlement within Arab borders which, to me, is strong indication that the survival of both Israelis and Palestinians is symbiotic, afterall, they are both Semites. Egypt and Turkey, the latter known as the Ottoman Empire before its current national moniker, need to take a more active role in settlement of the territorial dispute between the Israelis and Palestinians. The Turks have land records kept during the time of the Ottoman Empire, of which the Israeli-Palestinian territory was a part, which might offer some basis for mediation in delineation of what land is rightfully what, Israeli or Palestinian. What is happening in Egypt is an example of what can happen when a nation becomes too secularized or operates under a rubric or pretense of being separate from the dominant religion within its sovereign borders. If Turkey does not watch it, it can likewise find itself faced with the likes of the Muslim Brotherhood. I think it is quite convenient for those two nations to take a "hands off" approach to the crisis between Israelis and Palestinians within the ME, perhaps because, they do not want it discovered that the two have a historical obligation to help make the peace. The bottom line is that we are all greedy, and I put myself in there because I am a citizen of one of the contries trying to negotiate settlement for peace within the region, the Turks, Egyptians, and Jordanians, for the reasons proffered in the foregoing analysis, the US, Israel, amongst others for the natural resources found within the region. The most vulnerable pawns are the Palestinians. But, you cannot lay blame totally upon the US and the Israelis for the state of affairs found that part of the ME. Are Israelis supposed to role over, let themselves be wiped off the face of the earth, and relinguish any claim to their traditional and future livelihood? Are Palestinians supposed to just let their "Abelite" brothers appropriate all the land bestowed upon that part of humanity by God or Allah? Do you think that Egyptians and Jordanians want to carve out an independent Palestinian State from any part of the land within their sovereign borders? Do you think the US is going to let the quashing of the Nazi movement be rendered in vain? Or any of the Western Allies? Do you think that any having to send troops, diplomats, envoys, and who fought in WWII, do not want some renumeration or reparations for their efforts? If so, one is naive, indeed.
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Here's a demonstration i was reluctant to make, for it can be classified as arcane, yet it serves same purpose as common sense, in somewhat metaphysical and entangled way which is, at this point in time, of very little practical use.
Nevertheless, I'll play along with this 'pushmepullyou' effect and.., well, here.
I will make a slight 'fluctuation' in the following quote.
I find the idea quite tolerable, that an electron exposed to radiation should choose of its own free will, not only its moment to jump off, but also its direction.
This slight change will affect the results google will share with you, thus effecting the feedback you'll receive.
The quote belongs to Einstein, who found the idea to be intolerable.
Demonstration shows how 'small variations of the initial condition of a dynamical system may produce large variations in the long term behavior of the system.'
With regards, and may 'arcane' knowledge as well as common sense serve us well.
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Secular nation states within the Muslim world seem to use secularization as a means of suppressing some of the more vocal Muslim factions within Islam, some of which are not necessarily violent extremists, precipitating at least within the minds of such factions a need to act out their religious views, violently, with acts of terrorism. Granted, such nations do not hold themselves out necessarily as democracies and, in most down to many cases, actually resemble military states under some form of martial law, though under secular governments.
Returning to discussion of a prior post, war, peace, the need for occupation, and the need for the installation of some modicum of civility in different parts of the world, whether warranted or not, mostly, I dare say, the former, come at a cost. So, from another perspective, perhaps it is not overriding greed at all, but more so, practicality, payment for the expense of peace keeping missions. Please note that but for the efforts of the US and other western allies, even indirectly, the Soviets or Russians, none of us would be able to have the freedom to post our views on this bulletin.
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Eistein point well taken and as well taken under advisement. It is very much like the smoke, mirrors, and screens, under which I propound Al Jazz operates. I understand that if being monitored, what I might find ordinarily might otherwise be altered for different or at least somewhat different results, with subtractions, additions, more or less convenience displayed. It does sometimes appear as though what is found through google research is way too convenient. But, most of what I researched through metaphysical method was already obtained before the google. The only new thing obtained, most pertinently, was the release date of a JFK assassination book publication. Of course I googled birthdates to see whether there might be particular personages referenced and always was gratefully directed to Wikpedia, of which I believe is published online through an intelligence organization or consortium thereof.
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One major feature of Darwin that is largely ignored is that there is a heavy natural price to be paid for genocide or war. One major feature in our studies of radiation effects is that there are unexpected and unexplained phenomena that do not fit the rule book.
In Darwin there is also an ambiguous "beginning" to life. Take a vacuous space, give it atmosphere and the building blocks, and life starts as a single cell that has no predator, copious food, and a "world" to explore. Why does that single cell die? Is pre-programming at work? Alternatively we can view "life" as part of something that "happened" in a far remote corner of the universe to which everything is related i.e. there is "god" in us all (in the non-religious sense).
To look at recent events in our history as if they are isolated from the ancestry of our species is fanciful. At least three thousand year ago (perhaps six thousand) a Chinese document explained the "journey of people" in pictographs which are incredibly more detailed than our current psychological profiles appear to get. They "out Freud" Freud. This was the wisdom of those whose apprenticeships ran into seventy years or more and whose master classes were unbearably short.
"Cults" who would rule us if we choose to submit have always been around.
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# 187 Tolb
Please identify the source of this: "At least three thousand years ago (perhaps six thousand) a Chinese document explained the "journey of people" in pictographs which are incredibly more detailed than our current psychological profiles appear to get."
First causes and similar cosmology, both physical and philosophical, are not dealt with in evolutionary applications. They are not necessary to such applications.
The call for civility must also call for the repression of fundamentalism and its necessary concommitant, intolerance. This applies to Judaism and Christianity as well as to the more primitive Islamists.
Afghanistan and Pakistan are now a single problem. There are two contending ideas of a solution: that suggested by the Saudi Ambassador to Pakistan and that implied by Hillary Clinton.
Strangely enough, that suggested by the Saudi Ambassador is less fundamentalist than that implied by Hillary Clinton. It would be good for the thinking pundits within the BBC to have a go at this!
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Don't expect any solution from the Americans. It is totally obvious they are spoiling for another war.
Just look at high level into 9/11:
The THREE NY tower collapses! Not natural and scientific proof by maths, physics and chemistry as being Controlled Demolition; the response of the USAF fighters - far too slow; The destruction of data! dodgey share dealings inside WTC, Enron fraud data inside WTC7 and DoD budget data in the pentagon - amazing coincidences! The lack of a convincing story wrt to hijackers motivation and association including the hijackers planning their attack across the road from CIA HQ - amazing coincidence! The obviously false planted evidence - including 2 magic hijacker passports and the cell phone calls at 30,000feet, the foreknowledge (share dealing 2001/08 M1 money supply surge, FIS warnings - even Tony Blair was able to schedule his least favorite event: a speach at the TUC to coincide!), and the COMPLETE LACK of rigorous investigation of the fires, dust, molten metal, no NTSB aircraft investigation, forsenics, legal etc.
The following use of 9/11 to justify wars in afghanistan, iraq, extraordinary rendition, torture, curtailment of civil rights, lies about safety of dust at ground zero, cronism (Halliburton, Blackwater, No Child Left Behind etc), development of the Dept of Homeland Security and its huge disinformation campaign via PsyOps tactics (Google it). And finally the last legacy from the Bush Administration: the credit crunch (who are the winners and losers there?!).
Therefore you cannot believe ANYTHING regarding American foriegn policy intentions.
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#188
The ancient document referred to has appeared in more recent times as the "I Ching" or Book of Changes and has numerous translations and interpretations. The better efforts condense the original Chinese sources of which there are many. The document itself has several siblings that all either predate or are contemporary to it. Some involve incredible mathematical "magic", highly detailed synthesis of data, and highly complex "stepped to" results. Amongst the evidence is knowledge that the Chinese knew the Earth was a sphere revolving around the Sun, and that the Pole Star was always due North. Deep inside the evidence are many pieces of work that link China and the Middle East, suggesting knowledge sharing and passage. It is believed that gunpowder was available several hundreds of years before it is accredited by historians. You will need to do serious research to glean the amazing insight into human behaviour that people (both in the Middle East and China) eight thousand years had. But it is there if you want to find it. The Tarot Cards used by USAttorney (169 et seq) are by-products of much of this early work.
I think you are wrong about evolution since if it works on this planet it would work elsewhere - it is "life" after all. Unfortunately it doesn't work across the whole spectrum of nature and, in my opinion, is only half a theory awaiting deep insight to really open it out. We simply do not have that kind of science available in our modern day academic strata although it is available in places you would not expect.
We are also hamstrung because maverick science is pigeon holed as quackery far too easily in our impact and impression driven world. We have become far less able to deal with things than we ever have been before. Too much money and not enough sense.
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Reader Bolt, you speak with much sagacity. Through my studies in metaphysics, I have discovered there is a bit of God in all of us in a non religious sense. Yes, and the more we know, the more scientifically advanced we become, in many ways the less we are able to effectively deal with current affairs. For through our advances, more questions are revealed than were previously existent, the more tradition is encroached upon, and the more cultures clash. More intellectual and commercial turf wars become existent. We have been in a world of future shock, thank you Alvin Toffler, since before his publication by the same name. Future shock is a state of being in which the reference points that once made us secure as individuals are no longer there upon which to return. About Darwin, he did come to mind when mentioning Churchward. However, I have not yet been able to assimilate how he fits into discussion about world affairs. One might say survival of the fittest, but, that is way too simplistic and would constitute dismissal of legitimate gripes that all, on all sides, worldwide, possess.
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Yes, and maverick science, or what some might term quackery, has made me better able to interpret statistics, findings, code, e.g., word association files, as well as what to do with same upon acquisition through what more often than not at least appears to be pure serendipity. It enables me to make sense out of chaos and pandemonium as well as gives me a blueprint for action, based upon information acquired, often conflicting, very technical, and of a very high magnitude in terms of volume. As well, the action taken upon such "pseudo-science" or "quackery" is minimally potentially swift, decisive, and effective, or the advice rendered therefrom.
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Our capabilities go far beyond psyops and actually encompass the psychic. Reference the book Psychic Warrior which also pooh poohs the use of maverick science outside of RV.
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@193,
This sounds very profound. But I don't understand your point!
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I should say at least minimally to greatly. Psychic Warrior was written by someone named of David Morehouse. He apparently was in the US Army and was stationed, while performing RV, at Fort Meade. The founding fathers of the US used psychic or paranormal technique to augment their quest for establishment of an independent nation. Use of those techniques have since fallen by the wayside in terms of war and national security. However, there now appears to be an emerging renewed interest in same. Mr. Morehouse became disenchanted with the use of RV and it was a technique that was shunned by most in the military as well as within intelligence. It now appears that he has become a proponent against its continued practice, mostly out of concern for the safety of those selected to perform the service, not for lack of potential success.
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There are many great examples of "remote viewing" in print, with witness statements and full supporting evidence. In many of our ancient tribes (including the North American Indian) the techniques are also demonstrated in guiding hunting parties to where the prey is. It is beyond question that the techniques are paranormal, indicative of an ability to read "nature" through a deep understanding of her habits in the case of the NAI. The military examples involve a "sensitive" who can tune into a place some distance away that they have never seen before. In some cultures devices are used to check the direction of the required phenomena before the RV takes place.
Amongst the more abused "maverick" sciences is hypnosis, wildly portrayed in Hollywood as sinister and yet taught to all UK doctors. This science opens some incredible vistas for those who use trance techniques. We know that by slowing the body resonances (driven by heart beat and conscious connection to that rhythm) many abilities come into play including "speed learning", "lucid dreaming", "anaesthesiology", "confidence building", "habit change", "phobias", "eating disorders", and "extraordinary body control". Ultra deep trances go even further and yet the whole subject is driven by a showman earning money by appearing to "make" witless human beings "do" silly things on a stage. Those who know hypnosis also know the trickery being demonstrated in these shows, but the damage to the profession is great, if the shows themselves are well meaning.
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To post #194, PsyOps seems to be more like a psychological campaign, "psych job," type of more in the genre of the audio propaganda spread by radio and or loudspeaker by Tokyo Rose, the Viet Cong, and apparently others throughout the ages depending on the availability of such equipment or gadgetry. But, some form of these psycch jobs were actually used and even promoted or advised for use within ancient cultures and texts, particularly those involving the Chinese art of war. The Spartans used it as well as others. The psychic or paranormal transcends psych jobs putting a person and or organization at a place, primarily in the past, to determine what happened and to learn therefrom in terms of future courses of action. It can also be used in a manner rendering a form of spiritual transformation to pinpoint where a person or group is or what he, she, or it is going to do. It is the closest thing that we have to a time machine, moving backwards or forward, a crystal ball, communicating with other worlds or with the dead, or the like. In fact the crystal ball is something supposedly used for psychic research but I, myself, have disbelief in its effectiveness, and would concede its use is nothing but a bunch of hocus pocus. RV was developed by some within the intelligence community and used primarily to go back and view with the mind's naked eye a tragic event as well as immediately before so as to view the culprits and their conduct immediately before perpetration of the tragedy.
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Actually psychic research would be more accurately termed a form of spiritual transportation or transmutation putting a person in an actual time and or place. RV is an extreme but apparently very effective form of such transportation or transmutation. Morehouse appeared to claim that it can be used to actually cause death.
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#197
The advocates of the power of crystals may take issue with you on "hocus pocus"! However IMO it is a reasonable assessment of where we are in understanding the use of "rocks". Interestingly, if we follow the logic of "there is a bit of god in us all" then rocks are not excluded either and the deep resonances of anything can be tuned into. The ancients claimed that "rock" had "a voice, a memory, and a past, a present and a future". Music, rhythmic drum beats and staccato instruments, was used to tune the human subject into the resonance of the "rock". In modern technology it is known that certain materials (titanium is one) have very narrow resonance values making them exceedingly useful for obtaining a particular and consistent response to excitation.
Psyops is a great deal more sinister than the name implies. Hypnosis requires the use of a "consciousness distraction". Soldiers are given repetitious training with conscious distraction - physical exertion - the first stage of obtaining a trance. The first stage enhances awareness, tunes up reaction times, leaves "fear" behind, and renders the subject open to suggestive narrative. In conscription this has a high failure rate, but in "voluntary service" the success rate is almost one hundred percent. Is there a link with our current preoccupation with physical exercise?
It is to our great cost that we have lost contact with so much that the ancients knew and used. Yes, psychological warfare is a science that may be out of our reach and control unless we study and return to the empowerment it can bring.
To return to the Middle East it needs to be remembered that the areas "central" to the great understanding of "extraordinary power" were Iraq and Iran. The links with far eastern Asia suggests binding ties.
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To expand a little on "sound" and "physical exertion".
Sixty years ago the drive in recorded material was towards optimum frequency delivery or high fidelity (truth). It was known that a musical instrument produces frequencies way above and below those heard by a human being. These are contained in harmonics and colour (drive may be a better word) the sound we hear in the audible frequency range, say 20Hz to about 16kHz. The brain responds to these frequencies (even if we cannot hear them they are transmitted via our natural resonances). In high fidelity any "scurrilous engineering" is immediately apparent as it alters the brain's response and we are "told" the sound is false (our brains are clever).
In highly compressed recording (MP3 for example) "scurrilous engineering" is almost ignored by the brain because the sound you listen to is already classed as "completely unnatural". This makes MP3 a very easy device to carry "subliminal interference" mixed up with all the other "interference" that is going on. So you have earplugs in your ears and your consciousness is distracted by physical exertion. What else do you think is going on?
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False targets beset US planning.
Bush/Cheney went into Iraq for oil, Israel and advanced bases, enhanced by a psychological problem that Bush had concerning his father and ego. It was an extremely costly failure and greatly increased the influence of Shia Iran in the region. It was an utterly false target.
Israel, through AIPAC, various surviving NeoCons, and well-financed American think tanks, is screaming for an attack on Iran. The immediate pretext is increasing Iranian nuclear capability. The Supreme Leader in Iran has issued a religious edict that nuclear weapons shall not be developed or used. Nontheless, Iran has the same legal right as any other sovereign nation to nuclear arms and, in the face of US and Israeli threats, has a duty to develop them.
For forty years, the international record of Iran has been far more peaceful than that of Israel. One may recall that Sharon went to the Pentagon with plans for a quick Israeli land conquest of Iran. It is Israel that is the threat to peace in the region and it is Israel that is in the hands of right-wing religious fanatics. Support for Hezbollah and Hamas would be to to try and keep the aggressive plans of Israel in check. Thus, Iran is another notoriously false target.
Come we now to Afghanistan/Pakistan. It now represents represent a single problem area. The Saudi ambassador to the area says that the Talebani are very poor illiterates who will work for whoever pays them. Hillary Clinton claims that Pakistan is now an existential threat to the world, presumably because the Taleban might get access to Pakistan's nuclear weapons. To which should be added informed reports that nearly everybody in Pakistan hates the USA.
Is Pakistan a false target? This is a good question for the BBC's thinking pundits. A typical US offensive will be sure to increase, rather than lessen, the problem.
Proposed solutions?
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#201
I am sure that US intelligence, its political "energy" core, and its propaganda units (media) would like you to believe that Pakistan and Afghanistan are one of the same problem. #46 in this very blog makes a well observed plea that Pakistan and Afghanistan should become a "combined" territory for those who have lived in the area since before the "Great Game". But of course this has absolutely nothing to do with the US or any other Coalition force who just happen to be playing with a cheap oil agenda.
Israel is using "cheap oil" to further its anti-Islamic causes without having to move a muscle, and with no intention of allowing the US a glimpse of success. It is called distraction, misdirection, or sleight of hand. The "upsets" in Georgia (South Ossetia) were manipulations of the "truth" by the west. This turns Russia into the "bad egg" of Soviet days, when in fact it couldn't be more different. The US are frightened of Russian power because it has the greatest supply of available oil and gas on the planet and they are fighting this like a jealous kid.
The only factoring in that Obama can do regarding Afghanistan is revenge for 9/11, and yet the arguments are wearing very thin. Exposure of 9/11 would force Obama onto a completely different track. It would also destroy much of the argument against Pakistan. Are the Taleban fighting a pro-Islamic campaign or just for themselves? Some evidence or fact would be mightily welcome amongst all the trivial propaganda.
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In the history of other blog and or email posts, I have once propounded that our fight in Mesopotamia, Iraq, where the Tigris and Euphrates converge, is in fact a spiritual battle or holy crusade that all sides, particularly, the US and Israeli, are unwittingly waging. If there is a Holy Grail, it is right in that general area, I propose under the riverbed where the "Delta" called Mesopotamia is located. The grail is not necessarily an actual chalice but rather a proverbial one, one of knowledge, information, and prophecy in which the "cup runneth over," not being half empty, half full, or entirely empty. Dummies George but, particularly, Dickie, never would have seen that they were instead "unwittingly" drawn to the area for reasons beyond their control, knowledge, reason, or influence, particularly spiritual. Watch who you proxy because you may in fact be getting used as a puppet, particularly in a paranormal or metaphysical sense. They have no idea the spiritual sacrifice expended by the allies and particularly "US" in waging this "Third Crusade." Not only were lives lost, with US and allied blood being spilled and consecrating the area with western spirit, in a literal sense but, the poor souls left behind were drained in fighting the spiritual war necessary to make sure that somehow humanity came to its senses about its priorities, who or what is the real enemy, and where real potential problems or enemies may lie. We prayed, chanted, and cast spells, over and surrounding this global issue to protect our respective troops, countries, and populaces. Dickie being the "devil" incarnate, wouldn't feel the effects but it is no wonder that Bush is now depressed and fearful. Retribution, much of the time coming from the "netherworld" can be very swift and complete causing much more than physical casualty. I doubt that Hilary said that Pakistan and Afghanistan were "existential" threats but would not doubt she said more like existing. Existential and metaphysical are close to synonyms, with existential being more something in the genre of Ralph Waldo Emerson and his brand of existentialism, alluded to by Reader Bolt, "soft metaphysics," if you will, and possessing an acute awareness of nature so as to fulfil your more mundane and material needs. Speaking of which, our discussion on metaphysics could flow to Gurdieff and Ouspensky in terms of use alchemical technique to "wage war." I do not think Hilary was reading any Emerson.
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#203
Extraordinary knowledge is, as you write, not gained in a university campus or a big dollar "makeover" investment. The chief facets of "wisdom" are "modesty, humbleness, and honesty within".
In a more mischievous posting (#173) I recalled the Jupiter-Saturn conjunction that may have been the literal manifestation of the "Star". For the "wise" at the time this was a foretelling of "something great". To put the picture in perspective we need to remember that there were dozens of calendars in operation in the Middle East and Asia. Most were directly controlled by Moon phases since this was a most observable phenomena. Hence "passover" and "feasts" moved with the lunar cycles.
So pinpointing the date of the "coming of a Great Being" would have been exceedingly difficult to accurately record. So who was this person and who was he/she/it supposed to lead? For the first part we do not know except for what is contained in the largely ignored and unprinted "gospels" (e.g. Thomas tries to portray the personality and wisdom of the man (?) we call Jesus (?)). For the second part I would suggest the leadership of all of us, all life as we know it and beyond. For the Middle East this was a political and religious threat and so the story was hijacked (as had happened so many times before) and turned into a "money rich religious machine". So instead of becoming richer in modesty we became poorer in spirit. Who did the "turning" and why did the teaching of Islam many centuries later burgeon a "new truth".
In East Asia, modesty, already an acclaimed discipline in the "martial" arts, was attributed to the "wise" and the "words of the leader" lasted much, much longer until, in places a little further afield, they posed a threat to political rulers. Few, wonderful, components of the wisdom of the Great Leader remain to this day.
For much of the wisdom (for where it can be found) of the current day we are in gratitude to the perpetual story of Gilgamesh the Sumerian hero in search for the secrets of immortality. This gave rise to a very wise sect in Mesopotamia that, in time, moved into areas of Uzbekistan. Gurdjieff and Ouspensky certainly found much "intelligence" from talking to sages in India and elsewhere. Gurdjieff was intensely moved by the "secret" knowledge of human nature and, from accounts written by those who met him, had "an aura, a wonderful charisma that impacted on you immediately". He kept his cards close to his chest suggesting that he knew how powerful the truth was. The works of Ichazo in South America (who claims he was taught "secrets" in the Pamir in Afghanistan) shows how far the wisdom has spread around the globe.
So what is is that draws the west to the mystical areas of Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan and even the old "Soviet" Russia? And why do we consider these areas to be "enemy territory". Who is wagging the tail of the dog?
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# 203
An "existential threat", in today’s press, means a "threat to existence". Hillary Clinton undoubtedly is not familiar with arcane corners of philosophy, yet she claims that the Taleban are a threat to Pakistan and the world. Let us then ask what sort of threat the Taleban may pose.
Suppose that the Taleban in Pakistan take over all the rural areas. This will enlarge their area in Pakistan/Afghanistan. Will this pose a threat to the West? Bin Laden operated from Afghanistan and had training bases there. Could he not have done this from many other countries? Does having a base consist of a serious military threat?
Suppose that the Taleban take over the whole of Pakistan and that they thereby gain control of what nuclear weapons that Pakistan has. What, if anything should the West do about it?
Is nuclear proliferation not inevitable?
Are wars of imperial domination the best solution?
Are we intelligent enough to devise a better World system? If so, what would be the characteristics of such a system and how should we move toward it?
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Regardless of the developing map of the Middle East, the proliferation of nuclear energy is the lesser of two evils in meeting the planet's thirst for energy. If we are not to suffocate in a blanket of noxious gases then alternative energy or lifestyle are the only alternatives. Once a nation has developed nuclear energy then the step to weaponry will follow.
Given the leverage enjoyed by those with nuclear capacity it leaves those without at a heavy disadvantage. The ignorance shown to the non-proliferation treaties by major powers is not a good message to send out to the rest. The NPT's are irrelevant.
What is of interest is how Islamic countries may utilise nuclear energy and, by extension, nuclear weapons. Will they declare war on disbelievers? Any nation that decides to detonate a nuclear device in war (or as an act of declaring war) is facing a uncertain future to say the very least. The threat of being able to do so is however a much greater power.
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What you seem to be saying is that the US still has no foreign policy strategy in Afghanistan. I agree. As well, it seems that Barack Obama is a quicker study at President than Hilary Clinton is at Secretary of State. A total re-deployment from Iraq could not be justified simply by the necessary rooting out of Osama bin Laden. We obviously have an economic interest, on that, I also agree. There is also a NATO strategic international security interest to be served. About both the economic interest, and, the NATO obligations the US must honor, I believe the President through Hilary Clinton is attempting to consider a more diplomatically assertive manner in which to be "transparent" rather than a subtlely more "US aggressive" way to do same. Cool, calm, and collect, are born and developed traits of the President. He takes nothing personally except for 9/11. Hilary is probably indeed the most emotional of the two and really needs time to absorb the President's position on foreign policy to the point of where it becomes second nature or truly intuitive. Give her ninety more days, please.
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Adding to the predicament is that there really is no evidence, again, I further agree, that Osama bin Laden should be justifiably connected to 9/11. Part of the problem here is the same as what has been stated by others in the Caught Up in a Conspiracy bulletin, no traditional law enforcement criminal investigation was ever conducted. You ask for Obama to declassify any and all dirt on 9/11. Well, maybe he cannot go that far but, at least, he should consider give the FBI, here more powerfully known as the Justice Department, unfettered liberty to conduct a criminal investigation long overdue.
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The last post should read, "... should consider giving ... I know it would also spike a prospective resurgence for global mass media survival to declassify much of the 9/11 dirt. However, the President has a pluralistic plate full of diverse interests that he must serve requiring confidentiality and same in combination with national security, many of which pull rank on public and media curiosity or the "public's need to know."
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#206
I wonder how many people in the US are aware that glacial collapse is now so severe that water supplies via mountain glaciers are endangered. Are they aware that the collapse of ice fields are on a scale that scientist's find unbelievable, almost impossible. As has happened many times before in its history the Earth is warming up, except this time the speed and climb of the rise are at all time records and show no signs of abating. The temperature is already several degrees above the maximum ever recorded before, even the time when ice receded from Greenland completely. So the blame this time is fossil fuel and human behaviour. We stand to lose great chunks of land mass as sea levels rise to who knows what levels.
This places great question marks against philosophies that include oil and gas as prime energy sources, and any "wars" being fought to secure them. That is unless the whole human race is being lulled into a false sense of security to be broken when the rocket motors start up for the few while the many sink their punt poles into the earth if they can find space to move.
It kind of places a war, where is it now, in Pakistan, into perspective, doesn't it?
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We know. We've seen the heartwrenching video of the Polar bear swimming 60 plus miles to find water, presumably, shallow enough to catch enough fish for she and her cubs. We are also familiar with the plight of an Antarctic Penquin. So, what's the point?
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#211
For those of your countrymen and women away from the centres of, and processes of, power, "Where is Greenland?" would evoke what answer? Are they even aware of political and corporate conspiracy alive and throbbing in their own backyards? Just how brainwashed are they in their "contented and comfortable" love of a flag and a name?
Just how many people in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan or elsewhere know or care what a "terrorist" or "freedom fighter" is as long as they do not have to struggle any harder to survive? Just like the polar bear and her cubs their interest is much more practical. People really don't care about politics and so our democracies are so much hot air rather than real choice about direction. And that will not change as long as "democracy" remains as impotent as it is now in dealing with what matters to most people - a place to be sheltered, with food, and a good chance of survival.
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#212 Forensix introduces an ignored and important dimension.We operate from an ideology- an imagined and symbolic version of the world that surrounds us.
When the BBC journalists get out of Washington and visit Oklahoma, they and we get a glimpse of another reality. Perhaps unexpressed assumptions are jarred.
Being able to eat and raise a family in security are primary concerns- whether the boss is a king, a dictator, or somebody we are told that we elected are very secondary concerns. Such concerns are part of a game played with symbols.
Perhaps we should sometimes step back and take a more comprehensive view of what is going on.
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#213
Indeed our obsession with symbolism has played a part and continues to obscure the reality and truth from us. Two thousand years ago did someone hijack and symbolise a very important story and turn it into the Gospels of the Son of God?
Thomas, as the disciple closest to Jesus, clearly states that his "master" did not believe he was related to the divine, nor anything other than a mortal and ordinary human being. Thomas talks of teachings, of the passage of knowledge of profound depth and power, of a "way" that gave hope to the poor and the needy.
In our current times just how easy is it to create symbols that appear to transfix populations, divide them, rule them, drive them to do things outside of their natures? Is our recorded and read history a heavily censored account of what really happened whilst the truth remains hidden in massive vaults like those in some X-Files episode?
Criminal fraternities move in stealth like patterns to protect the powers that be. Even the closest to the "king" is aware how quickly security can turn to necessary elimination. So how are the many, a thousand or more layers from the core to know what the detail is let alone the bigger picture?
Where is the vanishing point where Islam and Christianity have a common beginning and why has it been obscured from us?
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fillandfrowpist #213
"Where is the vanishing point where Islam and Christianity have a common beginning and why has it been obscured from us?". I suspect that the answer, Phil, is in the Zorastrianism brought back from the Babylonian Captivity.
Today, that theme is most effectively pursued by noting that, as moderate Islamists do, Jews, Christians and Muslims are all "People of the Book" and although controversial among Jews, Christ is accepted as a prophet by both Muslims and Christians.
Practical symbolism could make much use of these facts.
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#215
My father was of the same opinion, although he tried many of the "sects" and "cult" groups (in US, Canada, UK, Australia, and Middle East) which grew around the stories of Zarathustra and found some of their so-called "wisdom" to be flawed. However he never actually left the UK to explore his many theories, and did not believe the stories of Christ to be a deliberate diversion or deception. An agnostic, he considered that there had been several tales, myths, and legends around in the general area of the Middle East and that it was "coincidence" or "convenience" the most powerful was found within the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.
As you highlighted earlier it appears symbolism played its part. What could be more potent than a savage crucifixion engineered by the Jewish religious leadership of the time in collaboration with the Roman invaders? The symbolism becomes even more intense if you ask the question "was the crucifixion of Christ a good or evil thing?". This imagery was then given the powerful twist of immortality, something that was important to almost everyone in one way or another.
Amongst the more profound commentaries on ancient Persian "legends" is the suggestion that there was a very powerful alignment of Venus, Mars, Mercury, and Jupiter in the 6th or 7th centuries BC but this is not borne out by modern ephemera. It is possible that calendar differences are making detection of the phenomena referred to (which may not have been a planetary alignment at all; it may have been a comet) quite difficult. Some Chinese illustrated texts for the time do show a largish object with a tail speeding very brightly across the sky, and there are astronomical references in the appended text that suggest it was a cyclical visit.
Interestingly the sixty Chinese animals used in their "lay" astrology include a number of beasts that were local to Persia and not found in China. There is evidence of a Persian cycle of sixty animals which is very similar in purpose to the Chinese sixty year cycle of eclipses.
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It is ancient Egypt and Egyptology as well as Chaldean and Babylonian tradition that reconciles all religion, eschatology, symbolism, and the like, particularly, the very former. See books by Albert Churchward of England written in the early 20th Century, circa, 1910. He wrote books on evolution, eschatology, symbolism, and Freemasonry. He would claim that all religion and mysticism, worldwide, started with Nilotic tribes, who migrated up, down, over, and across the globe. Moreover, he claims that the ancient Egyptian civilization that post industrial revolution man and others have discovered throughout the subsequent ages is more like 600,000 plus years old rather that 50,000 plus years old, give or take, either way. Christianity and Judaism are direct descendants of ancient Egyptian culture as well as the wisdom of the Indians, East, West, or elsewhere, and the Chinese. Since Islam was in fact a conquering religion, even of Nilotic peoples, including the Egyptians, through its conquests, it was coopted just as any conqueror takes on attributes of the conquered and its allies immediately subsequent to its victories, just as the US, and the rest of the west, became more socialistic under the New Deal a decade before WWII, through its end as well as like all of Europe adopted much of the ideals of the Soviet Union after ousting the continental threat that a muscle flexing Russia was showing before WW I and the Marxist Leninist Revolution. Many Europeans had a communist party, and if some still do not, they have remnants in the form of a Labor Party. Afterall, the Russians were our WW II allies, thus it would be natural that we were coopted by our allies, that great "communist menace" soon to be called the Soviet Union. I dare say, all government bureaucracy started from adoption of this technocratic form of government well grounded in its being able to reach the heights of its eventual formulation well before any of the early 1930s New Deal programs. With the collapse of the Soviet Union, if history does and should repeat itself, there will be similar conflicts as preceding its establishment, perhaps not communist, perhaps not necessarily within currently communistic countries, that will threaten the government and governance of many a sovereign nation any time now. With advances in technology and away from use of resources that cause pollution leading to global warming, I see it happening most prominently within the oligarchic oil rich soon to be oil laden and poor Arab nation-states. If not for their post modern prosperity and comfortable lifestyle appeasement to their masses, the Royal Families or governments of all such states would have been overthrown long ago. Islam was not even in existence during the Persian Empire or even during the height of the Byzantine Empire nor during the neo Babylonian period of the early to mid 7th century AD. The teachings of the original Islamic prophet, who was illiterate but an excellent orator, were perverted subsequent to his death to subdue and subjugate the respective Arab masses so as to maintain totemic purity as well as to keep as much wealth concentrated within a highly pedigreed elite. It was also used to mobilize a caliphate of totalitarian violent Muslim conquest across the most accessible parts of Europe, Asia, and Africa. From their conquest and how they were coopted through the Egyptians, many, worldwide, particularly crusaders, took note. They envisioned a more subtle, subliminal, and more clandestine form of conquest. They brushed shoulders with middle easterners from all over the region who resisted the Moor conquests. They had an epiphany of an alchemical component of commerce, business, and riches, which transcended by far the pie in the sky dream of turning lead into gold. Others not able to grasp the magic or wisdom of the region because they did not fight in the Crusades became jealous and resorted to inquisitions, witch hunts, and the like. When people from England, France, Italy, Spain, and elsewhere went to the ME to fight in the Crusades, they were unwittingly returning to their ancient to them, again unknowingly, prehistoric roots. They were, upon embarking, unknowingly fighting for self discovery of which many of the Crusaders obtained. Much of what was discovered were ugly truths about Christianity and Judaism that most kept to themselves for survival, advancement, and eventual materialistic success. However, they buried the spiritual treasure that they unearthed or spiritually bestowed upon them during the Crusades. Note, the Crusades took place roughly from at the end of the first millennium through the beginning of the second. We are beginning the third while ending the second. One has not officially ended nor the other begun. It is not a matter of numerical exactitude in terms of years but rather marked by the start of a new Aeon determined by celestial alignment for which though scientific is a matter of varying interpretation. For instance, some claim that the third Aeon or millenium actually started in 1962. The current ME and Central Asian conflicts signal what is evolving into the beginning of another Christian crusade within another caliphate being administered by radical Islamists, worldwide, but particularly in Europe, Asia, and Africa. However, as a result of this Crusade or Crusades, the spiritual truths will be told rather than buried supposedly like the tunic of a very possibly mythological figure named Jesus. There is much religious rumor circulating even within the US that Jesus was a Christian and Judaism adaptation of Egyptian mythology, it being the root of both of the former.
Now reflect on the financial gain and the potential influence over masses of people that confirming the existence of a person named Jesus, the son of god possessed and possesses. Israelis could be blamed so as to enable more Christian or Muslim religious membership. Israelis could claim that yes he existed but was not the Messiah thus increasing the desire to be in the religion of Judaism while yet keeping its membership more selective. Muslims could claim yes he was a prophet but just one of a few, that it was all the Israelis fault that Jesus was crucified and that the first Israelite from the Israeli-Palestinian split deceived god into thinking that Abel was more worthy than Cain. Here, you have the ability to keep your brethren at home and regionally mobilize the indigenous masses.
Islam actually means peaceful submission and obedience. How it has come to represent the international terror it does today is beyond my guess but I would imagine that the Islamic clergy and the Arab elite compliment one another as well as aid same in perpetuating a stranglehold on the more populist masses of the oil rich Royal Family nation-states, or their brother nation-states in Persia, Turkey, and elsewhere within Asia. Historical rumor has it that the original Muslim prophet called an interfaith conference, so to speak, upon his discovery and propounding of his new religion for Asian, African, and European consumption. He was essentially laughed at and met with much derision by Christians and Jews alike. As I have stated before, not here perhaps, people in the west not of Arab descent will convert to Islam, not because of the force of terror perpetrated by just a few of its followers but as a result of the power of the example of its followers' prayer, discipline, and faith.
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The Taleban aren't stupid enough to engage our forces properly. They know they won't win. They'll just melt away into Pakistan and bide their time until we go. And when will that be? If we're waiting for some form of guarantee that whatever 'democratically elected' government we leave in either country will remain there for longer than a week after the forces leave, then I'm afraid we are going to be waiting for a very long time.
Alan
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The days are gone when you could tell the way a country stood on many disparate subjects simply from its history.Ending this war is the only solution in having peace vturner
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No surprise, no surprise... it's quite infuriating though!
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1932862,00.html
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No-one is prepared to debate Charlie Sheen on 9/11. And No-one is prepared to debate French comedian Jean-Marie Bigard on 9/11. Is it only the jesters getting the attention of speaking truth to power? No... you also have a US Congresman and a respected scientist, Cynthia McKinney and Niels Harrit, both wading in... both using different arguments to prove that 9/11 was a false flag attack embroiling the USA (and by association, the UK) into the Afghan War, Iraq and the endless war on terror.
This link shows at least the French are waking up to this issue.
http://www.911blogger.com/node/21734
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