Magic bus
- 9 Sep 08, 02:13 AM GMT
So I'm in the US. Apparently there's some sort of election coming up soon. Do you reckon anyone might have any opinions about it?
Hello, my name's Jon Kelly and this is my blog. It's called Talking America, because I'm going to spend the next month or so doing exactly that - talking to and about ordinary Americans, trying to find out where this vast, extraordinary country wants to go at such a crucial time.
See that big shiny BBC bus I'm posing beside? Well, we'll be spending a lot of time together over the next 38 days.
I'm hitching a ride from Los Angeles to New York, buttonholing all the people and personalities I encounter along the way in a somewhat kamikaze bid to extrapolate the state of the union.
This is all part of the BBC US 08 Talking America project, and I'll be joined by colleagues from radio and TV along this coast-to-coast odyssey, as we try to help the USA and the rest of the planet make sense of each other.
According to polls, the overwhelming majority of Americans believe their country is heading in the wrong direction. Well, being an inquisitive sort, I'd like to find out which way they'd like to turn instead.
I've always been fascinated by this place. When I was growing up in a small town in southern Scotland, everything about the USA sounded at once imposing and exciting.
We didn't have skyscrapers or Oreos or school shootings in Dumfries, for better or for worse. But like the rest of the Western world we were immersed in American music and American movies, American fast food and a way of life that took its lead from American consumer society.
I've never before visited any of the places on my itinerary. I'm sure that most people I encounter will take me for some know-nothing foreigner asking daft questions in a funny accent - an assessment with which I won't really be able to quarrel.
But the place I am very familiar with is the America in my head, the America of the imagination - and I'm curious to find out how closely my second-hand European prejudices actually conform to reality.
We hear a lot about how deeply this place is meant to be divided. The culture wars are back, apparently. What I'd like to put my finger on, though, is what common ground these supposedly intractable factions actually share - what it is that makes them American.
But I won't be alone on this truly multimedia journey. I'll point you to some of the reports produced by my radio colleagues, while BBC World News America's Jennifer Copestake has very kindly offered to share her video with me.
I'd like to invite you, too, to have a look at the Flickr stream we're running.
And thanks to this shiny new interactive age in which we all now apparently live, I hope we can get the rest of the world talking - about what they want from a superpower whose foreign policy, cultural dominance and economic well-being affect us all.
Above all, I'd like to hear what you have to say - about this blog (I can take it), about our coverage, and about your views on the issues we encounter.
I hope it's going to be a lot of fun. But if you'll excuse me, my jet lag is starting to make its presence felt. I'd better conserve my energy for the journey ahead...
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I think this is a very clever idea and look forward to both reading and contributing to the blog.
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Jon,
I think suggesting we don't have school shootings in Scotland is a little bit of a slip...
Otherwise I welcome your blog. Here in DC we are attempting to do the same thing as you I can assure you.
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Is this being paid for by the licence fee or by advertising revenue and the BBC America budget?
I think it should be the latter. I fear it is the former.
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I think he was saying that at that time they didn't have school shootings in Scotland - and when can I get a job that involves travelling around the US and getting paid for it!!
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Nice for the BBC and the UK licence payers to send you on an expenses paid jolly across the States...I hope you enjoy it!
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A "kamikaze" trip you are most certainly embarking on. The United States of America is arguably the most diverse country this world has seen to date; to which you are passing through, to my liberal count, only 18 states. A small sample to give a clear picture of what is America and with admission its sad political arena - that sees its populous participate in every four years - only to be observed by "second-hand European prejudices." Perhaps I am naive taking the BBC's reporting almost exclusively as fact; to this blog I can not. God speed your journey, which I hope is reported on with an open mind. Please keep near and dear to your heart that part of this American dream is "in order to form a more perfect Union."
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It sounds like a good idea to me! One thing I'd keep in mind (which you may or may not have considered, but I am going to point it out anyway) is that, stereotypically at least, American culture is divided geographically. Your route seems to me to be mostly stopping in areas which are traditionally thought of as more conservative, although large cities tend to not fit that stereotype as closely.
In short, I am doubtful that you are going to get a representative sample of Americans and and American opinions; you would need to hit more regions and perhaps a few rural areas as well.
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Great idea. It will be healthy for us Americans to get another perspective on how our country is viewed by a non-native. Sometimes we forget how much our nation's choices affect the rest of the world - both the government's policies and the lifestyle choices of individual people.
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I'm very interested in your impressions of us Americans. I always think it's interesting to hear what foreigners have to say, whether I agree with them or not.
I must say, though, that your route is biased toward the south (from what I can tell on the tiny bit of map available so far). The north and the south are very different places, even though there are some commonalities. In order to get a sense for the whole U.S. you'll have to travel more widely. Even Americans experience culture shock when we move to a different part of the country than what we're used to.
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Sounds like a great idea. It may help to explain to the UK why the polls are currently tied!
You really should stop by and say hello in Denver though!
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Jon:
i hope you are enjoying your time in my country of the united states of america....
enjoy your time here.
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I can only hope this "Journey" does not turn into the offensive garbage that the "Top Gear"
crew turned in on their trip to the states.
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your introduction did not get you off to a good start .being originally from scotland it seems that you are going to be negative and find out all the silly things to point out .you might be better stopping your bus at disneyworld and talking to some of the locals .i,ll be following your blog with interest .
john mac,
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Don't think anyone in or connected to Dunblane will agree with your no school shootings comment.
On reflection I'm sure you now agree that comment should have been left out.
Otherwise people can only judge your journalistic standards based on the ability to overlook a terrible Scottish tragedy.
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Jon,
The first Englishmen I met in the Southwest were called Cousin Jacks, or Greenhorns. I think most were miners from Cornwall.
Why is it that Englilshmen always seem to travel in the U.S. Southwest in the heat of the summer? Try returning after the election and enjoy the better weather.
Or better yet, after visiting Macain' ranch, pop up to the top of the rim country around Flagstaff and cool off at seven to eleven thousand feet. Then spend some quality time around Phoenix. The resorts have marked down their room rates until Nov.
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I am very amused to see so many people complaining about what Jon is going to be saying based on what they think a European who only has a second-hand view of the US will say.
Being prejudiced about someone else's prejudices? I can't be the only one who finds that funny.
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I welcome you to the U.S. and I think that you will enjoy yourself. The long open stretches at the beginning of your journey through Arizona and New Mexico should be interesting to someone that lives in Europe and does not need to travel far to find another village or town.
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To be fair to the author, he says "no school shootings in Dumfries" - and Dunblane (to the best of my knowledge) isn't in Dumfries.
Yes, its a poor choice of words from the author's part, but his facts aren't wrong.
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Good luck to you Jon. I am sure that a small town Scot will find the US a very interesting place; both meeting your expectations and possibly not even being close to what you thought.
I hope you can take the time to visit with a family or to for a day or an evening to get a feel for "real Americans"
Enjoy the trip
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Hi Jon,
I am really looking forward to hearing what feedback you get from people you meet along your way.
despite what our synical american comerade might think i'm sure you will get views from people of all ages, race and background.
enjoy the experience !
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Yes, it is a mistake taking a straight route across our nation and assuming it is an even cross-section of opinion.
However I will find the contents of Jon's trip interesting since we Americans start in grade school learning that England is our enemy. And then we finish up high school learning that not only did the country's name change to UK, but now they are our staunch ally whose biggest complaint is what we did to the English language.
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I hope your trip is wonder filled excursion. The election process I wish it was all it is made up to be.. I hope you find some people that are not brainwashed out zombies and give an account of the knowledge the world is without. It is a beautiful country and what you will see will will be a true learning experience.
Get a chance turn your head to Fort Benning, Georgia's Chattahoochee Valley Area. Auburn, AL., Eufaula, AL., Columbus, GA. ..
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Hitching a ride? In the U.S. this often means you drive along with strangers. And you'd rarely be picked up by a HUGE BUS/MOTORHOME unless you're wearing designer labels and riding expensive bicycles.
In fact, the huge motor-homes are just a small part of the class cultures you will witness along the road to what?
I'll listen and follow as I find it most interesting what the other side of the world makes of this election. Especially since our economy effects your economy. KEEP ON TRUCKIN! Oh you're to young to remember that saying....
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As the man is travelling from coast to coast, via the mountains, the farmbelt and the south, I think we'll see a decent enough cross-section of the US. I doubt there's enough time to hit much more of the north USA.
And hopefully we'll get an insight or a glimpse of an understanding as to why anyone would consider voting for the Republicans again.
As for my ever-present, whinging countrymen (and bless you for existing, I love you all....sigh), this is a BBC World Service project, so is not financed by the licence fee but from the FCO's budget.
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#17:
You make a good point, and I am guilty. I apologize.
I suppose my main objection to this "epic" journey is that it has been done before---many times, and often coincidentally(???) during US election seasons.
I can understand the fascination of non US people trying to figure out the complexity of the US. We are a nation of many, many, diverse, diametically opposed (economically, socially, intellectually, religiously...the list goes on) people who live together in relative unity in one nation---and somehow it works! I doubt that Americans can explain HOW it works; it simply does.
Again, that fascination is understandable. However, these cyclical journalistic "journeys" invariably include trying to pick apart the people of the US as if to show the world it really DOESN'T work, as if it's all some kind of evil ruse. Foreign journalists end up talking to "Myrtle" at Diner A then speak to "Ralph" at Barber shop B then move on to the backward, redneck, barbarian observations that are beyond tiresome.
A better purpose for this journey would be to actually investigate WHY America works, not collectively lump us all together in one category, not insult the local people and customs, and admit (once and for all) that there truly is no explanation as to why this nation interacts in a unified and successful manner. (Then, perhaps, this particular journalist can explain it to Americans themselves).
And to a point by #10, the observation is true and I'll take it one further. A person can visit a rural area, then visit an urban area in a single US STATE and experience culture shock.
For apology's sake, welcome to the US and may your visit be an enjoyable one. I am sorry for my prejudice toward a journey that has only begun.
One bit of advice to the blogger, if I may: You seek to understand what unites all US citizens even though we disagree on so many things. Don't lump us all together and insult us. Nothing (!) rallies US citizens together for a common united cause than that. Call it "nationalistic" if you want, but it's true.
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viewfromoutside - The author clearly stated Dumfries, to my knowledge there has been no school shooting in Dumfries. We`ll give you a hand down from your soapbox anytime.
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As an American, there are a few of us who look to the UK for what we'd like in life and how you described, albeit briefly, in Dumfries is exactly what I'd like. Things are perfect nowhere, but the US has taken a dive head first into oblivion. The world hates us....not because of WHO we are, but because of WHAT we've done. Safe to travel to Thailand? Japan? Italy? London? American tourists are targeted everywhere. Our president, the less-than-honorable GWBush is ridiculous and thinks that tough talk and military force makes the world go 'round. Keep the simplicity of Dumfries. Eat your haggis. Drink your ale. Enjoy the life in rural Scotland. America is poisoned and we have a long way to go to make politics, and the world, a much more friendly.
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I know this is just a pre-amble but your journalistic skills leave a lot to be desired. This monologue reads like sentences that have been copy pasted from another article, partagraphs beginning with "and" and "but" !!!
Lets hope the content of the blog improves as you continue your journey.
Are you really hitch-hiking? a strange term to use for travelling on a luxury coach.
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Hmmm, this blog could turn out to be interesting, but so often large journalistic ventures like this do throw up exactly the sort of stereotypes mentioned above. I'll happily keep my eye on the blog in case I'm wrong :)
A similar venture was undertaken by two British guys during the ever-eventful primary season. Not being part of a corporation like the BBC definitely worked to their advantage - they travelled around with locals and had chance to speak to a real cross-section of people. If you're interested take a look at their website:
www.myfellowamericans2008.com
Fingers crossed that this venture will be just as successful! But then, maybe I won't hold my breath...
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Fantastic!!! Is this to be run on Newsnight, or on its own as a special? I for one am looking forward to another "Top Gear" take on Southern America. There certainly is no getting away from the fact that anything regarding the Southern States makes great TV, usually Comedy with a dash of "Oh I can so see deliverance happening there"
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#32:"Oh I can so see deliverance happening there"
Should we warn Jon Kelly what to do if he hears "banjo music" while traveling through the south, or let him figure it out on his own? ;)
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I like the sound of this project and in many wish I could join you along the way, as I am intrigued as much as you are about America!
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Welcome to the US, Jon. As others have pointed out you will not get a full sampling of our country because of the southern route you are traveling, but it will be a reasonable start.
A piece of advice: do not seek out individuals that fit your stereotype of Americans. You will only confirm your prejudices. Americans are a very diverse group of people. We are black, white, hispanic, asian, and everything in between. We are poor, rich, middle class, and working class. We are old and young. We are Christian (mostly), Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, agnostic and atheist. We are many many things. Please don't just look for the center. Take in all that is around you. If you do this then you may come away with a sense of who we are.
Good luck on your journey. Welcome to America!
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It's not possible to fully understand the people of the US unless you spend a lot more time in a lot more places than you have planned. The whole section of the Northwest is completely missed and quite unique.
The Bible Belt route you've chosen (with LA and Las Vegas?!) doesn't begin to speak for the whole of the US. (well, they might try... ;-)
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You will learn what ever you wish to learn on your trek. If you have preconceived ideas you will find them validated by some. Not all Americans are the same not, in thought, demeanor or political outlook. The county has at least 40 times more people than Scotland and you will find a variety of opinions. I am of Scottish descent, and I hope you get an accurate and realistic view of the US. Please try to talk to as many as you and keep an open mind. We are not all the same nor do we think alike on any issue. Good luck on your journey and try to remember the difference in size in population between Scotland and the US.
I doubt Train Spotters is an accurate view of Scotland.
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It does rather read like a high school project.
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Good idea! Its always a good thing for the British public to be exposed to "average" Americans, rather than what Hollywood or network TV portrays.
Will you be passing through Flagstaff, AZ? It would be a good stop - a university town in a rural area; very much a mixed electorate; one of our senators is running for President and has a home in the area.
Let me know; I'd be happy to give you the tour! :)
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Extrapolate the state of the union?what the hell does that mean?,and who is exactly funding this pointless excursion?,if it is coming out of my licence fee i will be making vociferous complaints to your odious employers at the bbc who continually and unashamedly urinate our money up the wall on this type of folly on a daily basis.
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Sounds like a fun idea. I hope we are entertaining enough for you all in the UK! I'll be right up front actin a fool when it stops in St. Louis.
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I have driven across the United States more than 30 times using diferent routes each time and not traveling the interstate
highways. I know exactly who you will encounter - unless you go into country clubs, gated communities, very expensive restaurants, mercedes and bmw dealerships or high end shopping districts. If not you will meet decent, hard working, religious, non-wordly folk without passports. In other words you'll meet Sarah Palin. Except that she got a passport last year.
This is why Obama has work to do.
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Agree with post 17. It's really telling how it's apparently assumed by some US residents that a professional BBC journalist travelling across the entire length of the country will conclude that Americans are fat, waddly xenophobes.
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Oh joy, yet more coverage of the US election. Can we at least wait until the elections actually start?
Is there nothing else going on in the rest of the world?
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message 7.
typical comment of the sort which others in the world find arrogant. the usa is far from being the most diverse country the world has ever seen, or does ur memory only extend back...oh what 50 years or so??
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First of all good luck with your attempt to get to grips with something as complex as the U.S.
Got to say that I'm slightly jealous that your being funded to do something that over the years I'm trying to do myself, though sadly only made 7 states so far. Its expensive.
As already pointed out, I think that your won't get a complete picture, as your route is predominantly in the South, however you have to start somewhere, and to visit even half the states in the U.S before the elections you would be traveling so fast you wouldn't actually gain any insite into anything. Whilst I have been fortunate enough to visit states in the North and the South, I have had much less success getting across to the West Coast, so still plenty to do.
One thing though, while your there hopefully trying to disprove some of your own stereotypes, do your bit to dispel some of those surrounding people from Europe as well, going on about your "second hand European prejudices" somewhat implies that your view point is that of Europe which it isn't. Its one of many from Europe. By the same token, the views of those you speak to in the U.S will not be the views of the U.S, just some of the people that live there. Try to keep that in mind.
The only piece of advice I would offer as someone who has traveled to and in the U.S a number of times is try to ditch the bus when you can. If you want to get a good understanding of the people, you will have to get away from the bus and go and mingle. Wandering round with a boom mike, a camera crew and a huge bus won't exactly encourage people to be themselves.
@27 (and 37 to an extent)
First of all your totally right about your point that not all Americans are the same. There will be will however be identifiable groups who share similar opinions as well as a few individuals that don't really fit into any of the groups. It is these cross sections of society that can make studying a foreign culture interesting, as the groups found in one country are not necessarily the same as those found in another. Say what you like about not lumping you all together, but you miss a basic fact that you are all lumped together by the very nature of having one nationality, American in this case and sharing in one culture. That is not to say that you are all the same, nor does it mean that American culture is not made up from a vast mixture of different cultures, of varying levels of influence and subject to local change, but there is a lot there to learn. As you said yourself, there is a massive mix that somehow works, but it does work, and the mix is different to the mix found almost anywhere else. That is what in a lot of ways is so fascinating.
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Welcome to the US! hope your stay is informative. please visit us in upstate New York (Round Lake is only a couple of hours from NYC) to get some civilized opinions . i loved my visits to Edinburgh, Inverness and the Isle of Mull and hope you have a great visit while you are here.
many of us are uninformed and easily distracted but some of us are trying to keep it all straight and to keep our country together. good luck.
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Good morning, Jon.
Welcome to America.
The one thing that will surprise you most is the distance between the places you intend to visit. This is, indeed, a vast and varied place.
We Americans tend to be a bit spoiled by our huge expanses of undeveloped land and don't always realize what a precious commodity bare land can be.
As many have stated before, your chosen route through mostly southern states is roughly akin to starting in Swansea, driving through Coventry and down to London; and hoping that will give you a representative cross-section of the United Kingdom. You'll notice that route takes you nowhere near Ireland or Scotland thereby making an accurate depiction of the English/Brits/Irish/Scots impossible. But it will provide you some interesting times.
I expect you will be baffled at how these amazingly diverse American individuals, who can barely agree on the time of day, become a single, cohesive entity during times of crisis - or a presidential election!
Nevertheless, I applaud your enthusiasm and look forward to reading and hearing your impressions. Have a safe journey.
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I know it would be unrealistic to expect this, as they are completely out of the way (not to mention separated by an ocean) but as Barak Obama was born in Hawaii and Sarah Palin is the Governor of Alaska, it would be nice if you could visit these two amazing states.
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old franks psychiatrist wrote:
message 7.
typical comment of the sort which others in the world find arrogant. the usa is far from being the most diverse country the world has ever seen, or does ur memory only extend back...oh what 50 years or so??
Goodness! old franks's got his hind parts in a twist.
Maybe throughout John's epic journey he will be able to dispel this myth that the people of the US are ALL one-lumped-collective-body of arrogant evil-doers :-)
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As a 'Brit' living in the US I really do welcome the bbc's ingenuity at bringing this tour of the country to their worldwide audiences.
The views of many outside the US are so skewed by Hollywood and TV programmes which have no relationship with the real America.
I do think that finishing in New York is a big mistake. You have started in the south west and should finish in the north east. I know you will find New Englanders very different from south westerners. Complete the view by adding 3/4 extra days and head up to Maine. Then you will really have seen the country.
Good Luck and listen closely; you will learn much and be very surprised.
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Another, perhaps better, idea might be to talk to relatively new (say past 5 years) immigrants to the country who have had time to get to know their adopted country and the people of that country. They will be able to provide an interesting view contrasting their native land with their adopted one.
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Thanks to everyone who commented!
Tiptoplisamitch - Sorry if I look like I'm sneering, I was just trying to hold in the double-chin. Thanks for your words of welcome - and you're right that I've been treated with nothing but courtesy since I arrived, something I hope to repay my hosts.
I think you're on the button about foreign journalists falling back on easy stereotypes, unfortunately, and I hope you'll tell me if I ever start doing that.
Allufc sees what I was getting at re: school shootings. We've imported a lot of things from the US, some of them positive, some of them very negative and tragic indeed.
Wayoutwest77 - I think they were just sick of the sight of me in the office.
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Hi Jon-
Sounds like a fun road trip, but why doesn't your bus have any windows? You should stop at a video store and get a dvd of Borat just to get in the right frame of mind. Your first shock will be the vastness of the American desert, the second will be Las Vegas. Just stay loose and enjoy yourself.
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Welcome Jon!
You're going to be visiting some of my favorite places such as Las Vegas, Dallas, Memphis, St Louis and Nashville, wow. I wish that I could join you.
Have a safe trip and enjoy your stay!
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Jon, I'll follow your trip with interest. I was born and bred in Edinburgh and now teach at an American high school is a small rural town in western Virginia (not too far from your planned stop in Madison, WV).
From big Scots city to small American town is quite a culture difference. If you want to know a little of what I've learned of Americans (I married one!) in the 11 years I've taught here, give me a shout.
cheers, Colin Baker
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I hope you'll accept my apology, Jon. I really am looking forward to your entries---AND I promise to keep an opened non-stereotypical mind about your journey.
Enjoy and honk when you drive through St. Louis, Missouri :-)
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Another complete waste of TV licence money. Who cares about what the Yanks think? A country that allows guns to be owned by just about everybody says all you need to know about them.
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scribe3s asks me to say a bit about Dumfries. It's a small town of about 30,000 in a rural area which was hit very badly by foot and mouth in 2001. I suspect I had a lot more freedom growing up than friends who were raised in cities. And as far as this blog goes, I think I've maybe got more in common with so-called "redneck" America than people might suppose.
To be fair, though, these days I live in Kilburn, north London, so I can't really pass myself off as the honest yeoman anymore.
trishtea - please do let me know if you think I ever resort to cliches. I loved the project you mentioned, hopefully I can shamelessly rip it off.
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I am very much looking forward to reading this........it surely cannot be costing anything like the Bejjing olympics with all that that entailed!!
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dcstack and SorchaDeJour - I totally agree that America is the most diverse country in the world and I'll do my best to reflect that. I'm sure I can't do justice such an extraordinary breadth of experience in 38 days, but I'll try my hardest.
On a similar point - Sharmyn, you're right that of necessity I'm missing out a lot of key locations. But in the limited timeframe available, we're going through a lot of places that will really matter when it comes to deciding the election.
donprestoni - I hope I can do plenty of mingling! I take your point about the bus, but my shorthand notebook is quite discreet...
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worldbfree (#42),
You may have driven across the US, but you clearly did not bother to get to know average US citizens. It seems you would rather perpetuate the sorts of stereotypes that are so prevalent in the European press.
Sorry to shatter your illusions, but I and my neighbors do not live in a gated community, have country club memberships, or shop at high-end stores. We don't drive BMWs or Mercedes. We do work hard though to provide for our families and to try to give our children something better.
While I and many of my neighbors are not particularly religious, those who are tend to keep their beliefs to themselves and by and large do not conflate religion and politics. We are very much political moderates who vote based on policy, not party. Many of us are very disgusted with both of our major parties and feel that neither one is in touch with us.
We have no problem getting along and helping each other regardless of our differences in religion, politics, or cultural background. I wouldn't trade the diversity of people in my community whose roots are in countless places around the world for anything. It's wonderful to be exposed to so many different cultures without having to leave home.
Before I forget, I can't tell you how many people I've talked to recently about travels abroad outside of North America. Sorry, but many people I know own passports and have made good use of them. Many more would use them were the US dollar stronger, myself included. Despite what Europeans may be led to believe, there is a vast amount of interest in, and knowledge about, the rest of the world in the US.
I hope that Mr. Kelly has a good journey and that he sincerely tries to discover the US outside of trite stereotypes, both good and bad. I'm trying not to be skeptical, but I've also seen too many of these sorts of "talk to the average American road trip" pieces that I feel do not do justice to the diversity and massive regional differences of this country.
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At first I thought what a great idea, using public transport(buses) around America to interview normal citizens. I then realised that the BBC will be using a luxury coach paid for by the poor old license fee holders.
I think its time to get rid of the wastefull Liberal leaning BBC and replace with something more objective and streamlined.
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I was born and raised in the US and now much of my business deals with people in the UK. I've always been interested in how I was taken, before, during and after my interactions with prospects and clients. I hope this blog lends itself more towards our cultural stereotypes and differences and less towards politics. I would think most educated and media savvy Americans would realize that both candidates have serious policy flaws. It's a shame this trip had to come about simply in response to the election.
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Enjoy your journey, I can almost sense the wonderment that you will feel. I have done what is shown on the map and much more - though not intending to canvass political opinion, simply getting from A to Z and staying in most places between. You'll enjoy and be surprised by the vastness and variation of the Southwestern deserts. When you cross the Texas border, don't miss out Kermit, it's a great little town in the middle of the oil fields with some fantastic people living there. A stranger but more hospitable place you will struggle to find. Try to learn some Spanish on the way, that way you'll be able to speak to most of the population.
Enjoy y'all.
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oldwestcoaster - I can't wait for the desert, a friend who occasionally works round there also told me it's the place I'll enjoy the most.
tiptoplisa - no need to apologise! I hope everyone who reads this blog will keep me on my toes.
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And, 47, he could come to Western New York State, where it is very rural and conservative, or to Ithaca in the middle, which has some great universities and is very liberal and cultured. That's just New York State, and leaves out New York City which is typical of nowhere else in America. I agree about the big bus and camera crew, and wonder exactly how objective this blog can be.....none of us are doing that well!! Anyway, as an expat american living in the UK I shall find it fascinating....where I grew up, my family was about the only Democratic one in town, and I was the only one wearing an Adlai Stevenson button.....!
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Hi Jon.
I'm disappointed that you aren't making it up to the northwest. Los Angeles is hardly representative of the entire west coast. The cultural climate changes dramatically the farther north you go.
I've lived in California, Texas, Massachusetts, Washington and Oregon. I've road-tripped from Sacramento to Boston (and back) by the southern route, and another crossing through the northern states by motorbike.
You are making a disproportionate number of stops in the south (and southwest), which concerns me since you are taking the American pulse for the world to read.
The 'Magic Bus' was an original notion of one of Oregon's most (in)famous sons. The Beatles (bless them!) borrowed the idea.
The northwest is also the epicenter of the Green movement. Period. Oh, and the home of IT innovation (both Linus Torvald and Bill Gates live up here).
So, in the South you'll get lots of opinions. Especially concerning God. Too bad you're not going to hear much of relevance about the future.
But good luck anyway. And welcome to my crazy country!
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Welcome to America!
I'm sure it will be as entertaining as reading the blog of a blind man feeling and describing an elephant!
Have fun...
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hello jon,
it seems as if you are off to a good start with the blogs .i wonder if the people that have not travelled to the united kingdom know how expensive things really are and how lucky they have it ?. truckers and car drivers alike pay nearly 2 and a half times more per gallon than here !. do the math on your bus ride and tell the folks back home they are getting ripped off .factor in everything in the uk and they are taxing the working man and woman completely over the top .beer,cigarettes, fuel , road tax.....the list is endless .you will see many diverse groups here ...............by the end of it you might wish you could stay .
cheers !
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Great idea. I have 1 problem, New york to L.A. by road is roughly 2800 miles without stops or detours. As a bus driver I know that even the most economical of coaches does 12 - 15 mpg which means you are going to use over 40,000 gallons of fuel. That is without support vehicles or trailers. Is this going to be carbon offsetted? Finally who will pay the associated $160,000 fuel bill?
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I see that you're not going to be coming South. I think that's a mistake. Plenty to see, do and experience down here. Plus, there's a whole lot of opinions just waiting to be opined.
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I have the privilage of living and working here in America, albeit only on a temporary basis, and I can say that you will find the American people delightfully friendly and more than happy to talk about themselves. They will also want to know all about you and where you come from. However, be aware that Americans are fiercely patriotic irrespective of their politics.
Enjoy the trip,you will see some of the most wonderful and diverse countryside anywhere in the world. I intend to make a similar journet across the States on my Harley Davidson before I eventually have to return home.
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re post 22
England did not change it's name to the UK! England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland are all countries in their own right. Great Britain is England, Scotland and Wales . The United Kingdom is Great Britain plus Northern Ireland. I hope that clears it up for you!
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Welcome to the US-your route takes you through some of the most wonderful country, and wonderful folks will greet you every step of the way.
I hope especially you will enjoy Santa Fe! Food, art, culture.
The US is a big, big place--diverse, and held together a broad general acceptance of our Constitution. On the long drives between stops, I hope you will take time to review the document, because in the end you will be learning about each American's take on it.
Happy to see your journey take you through Mississippi, Tennessee, Missouri, Kentucky, West Virginia, Ohio, Pennsylvania. It will be an eye-opener!
Happy travels, and please don't engage in moronic behaviour like those fools on 'Top Gear'.
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I hope that you enjoy your trek across America. Undoubtedly you will meet some interesting people. As you blog and speak of our/my country, please be fair an honest. I await your blogs. Pleasant travels, my friend!
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So your going to St. Louis? I'd be happy to give you a nice tour of the town. If you want to see some nice U.S. downtown renewal take yourself down to Washington Ave and 9th. I'm sure you have a GPS in that fancy bus of yours!
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Oh God do you have to?
What an absolute bore!
We have already had months of the nominations/run-ups/pre-elections and now this!
Please just have a US election night special- that is more than enough!
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I live in Albuquerque, New Mexico. When will you be here?
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Please come to Columbus, OH! You will be very close to it after your West Virginia stop. Columbus is a bellwether in how we have many aspects of all of America represented, from rich and poor, blue collar to white collar, immigrants from all over to those who've lived here for generations. We have a large Somali population, I think it is second only to Mogadishu, and many undocumented workers from South America and Mexico. Right now a lot of our manufacturing jobs have left, and the workers of Columbus are slowly transitioning to service work. Nationwide Insurance is headquartered here, and firms like Wendy's Fast Food and Scotts Miracle-Gro are in the nearby suburbs. I understand that Columbus was featured several international news stories during the 2004 election, but the current thinking is that Columbus and its environs would decide which candidate wins the state, and potentially the national election. Please consider a Columbus visit during your tour.
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If British TV tax-payer money is being used to fund this jaunt then this is an utter WASTE of money. I can find out what ordinary Americans think on the internet or when existing BBC reporters go out into the towns as they did during the primaries or even recently on the convention floor with delegates. Plus, the fuel bill using that huge thing to go around America in, when apparently only a guy called Jon is going to be the passenger is a horrendous abuse of funds.
On the other hand, if money is coming from a private source then I won't feel so queasy about
watching and being interested by it.
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Jon, in reference to my previous post (56) I see a lot of responses to your "school shooting" comment.
Interestingly although others seemed to have picked up on this I skimmed over it, even though I live in Blacksburg, Virginia where Virginia Tech is. School shootings are very rare and while shocking hardly reflective of American culture (guns however are).
Another interesting local small town story was the refusal of the local CBS station to show the Andy Murray final on TV last night. Interesting story behind that.
cheers, Colin Baker
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Since you mentioned Oreos, perhaps you would like to explain to the American people that there hallowed brands high profile marketing campaign in the UK is both naive and demeaning to the British people.
With the exception of Wagon Wheels the Bristish biscuit scene operates a tacit agreement amongst gentlemen; one of dignified and modest promotion of their brands. Lets not forget that digestives and custard creams bestride the British biscuit market without resorting to over hystericaly high profile campaigns involving the unwholesome bonding of children and dogs, that then finish with some tagline that seems to ask us to 'trust oreos' or some such twaddle.
Lest not forget that the British invited biscuits in the first place.
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Interesting concept.
But Flawed.
There are no 'typical americans'.
And I noticed you missed the state of the GOP's vice-prez.
Alaska.
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If you are going to post some comments on your findings and observations about America, please do so in a style and tone which doesn't make you sound like a child. At the moment you write as if you are trying to garner support from the CBeebies crowd and as such it is very difficult to take you seriously. Is it any wonder that people are reacting in such a way if the type of person chosen to report on the American election is unable to write for an adult audience?
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I can't reiterate enough how much of a mistake it is to concentrate so much on the South at the expense of leaving out New England and the Pacific Northwest which are as distinct and important if you want a balenced cross-section. Part of the problem with BBC coverage in the past - and this creates the stereotypes you may wish to dispell - is that many view Southern culture as generic American culture.
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Jon,
There seems to be a lot of people very concerned over how much this whole endeavor will cost.
I for one, as a true American, could care less. Let it cost 40,000 gallons of fuel. Who cares! It's not like lots of busses, trucks, trains, planes and autos don't do it every day. Just a proverbial 'drop in the bucket.'
Just one thought though. To get the tried and true opinions of the honest American. The blue collar worker, you'll have to venture off the beaten path from time to time. Visit towns and villages along side the cities and metro areas. Cities are the same worldwide, you won't get the culture until you venture out to 'the sticks.'
Also, as a traveller and a self described culturist, and obviously American, I can't help but get a little annoyed at how you Brits contantly use school shootings to stereotype my country's second ammendment of our constitution. Think about it, in a country that allows the public to be armed, don't you think a sane person would want to, then, own a firearm? It's not like we can just go 'take' every gun away from the owners. Wow... now there's a hot button issue!
Good luck!
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I'm very disappointed that you aren't even going near Chicago - the city that Obama lives in and represents as a Senator. How one-sided is this tour with steady coverage of the conservative South but hardly any in the moderate Northwest or Midwest and especially none in the Democratic candidate's home state? There is an agenda here and it does not look like it will be fair, balanced journalism.
Jill
Minnesota
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Welcome to the USA. I have been here 6 weeks and have been completely baffled by the media frenzy that the election has caused. In the UK there is very little media hype (compared to the scale here) surrounding the election campaign. Also it takes a good 2 years for the full campaign to be completed which seems excessivly long when most other contrys take only a month or two.
I will be in St Louis when you arrive there and will almost definatly trying to obtain tickets for the debate. I fear I shall fail. But all I can do is try. Good Luck with your journey. I hope you bring som insightful comments and intersting coverage to the pages.
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I think some people are mistaking Top Gear as a serious documentary.
No-one (or at lest very few people) really believe what happens on shows like that, but they are hilarious to watch.
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AGAIN-WHO IS PAYING FOR THIS LUDICROUS FOLLY?WHAT DO YOU HOPE TO LEARN FROM THIS FARCE?WHO CARES ANYWAY ABOUT A NATION OBSESSED WITH GUNS TORTURE GENOCIDE AND CREATIONISM.TOTAL MADNESS,I WANT MY LICENCE FEE BACK!
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for the benefit of all those not living in the UK we have to buy a licence to watch tv even if you have to have Sky because you live in an area without reception like myself so the British taxpayer is footing the bill. When you become a senior senior citizen, I think 75 viewing becomes free.......i have a long way to go ............
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In response to Jon's comment, I think if you reread it, it wasn't school shootings in Scotland, it was school shootings in Dumfries of which there have been none. As a Scot living in the US I am constantly surprised by the hypocrites and the sheer audacity of the politicians. What prevails are the ordinary citizens who have nothing but hope and who are decent people who need a government worthy of them. Needless to say, I've never seen politics become so interesting. It's just a pity the American networks let us down with biased coverage. How will voters know how to make up their own minds?
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"We didn't have skyscrapers or Oreos or school shootings in Dumfries, for better or for worse."
No school shootings in Dumfries "for better or worse" eh? Bet you were dead jealous of the people in Dunblane.
I'd have asked someone to proof read your copy before you submitted it!
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In response to Jon from Atlanta number 14. I cannot believe someone would say such a NEGATIVE thing about Scots. Scots may be sarcastic, they may say silly things, they may be drunks, but they may also be smart, intelligent, great inventors or hysterically funny. However, that's a stereotype and I'd hate for you to think that all Scots stereotype and poke fun at Americans. By the way, my first trip to the states was greeted with US high school students asking me if I spoke English or if we had electricity in Scotland. Now, despite this I still haven't stereotyped Americans. So far, you're doing your nation no favours.
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lizzy g,(95)
you have missed the point completely .i never said anything NEGATIVE about scots .please read the article properly .i go back to scotland every year and am proud of where i came from and the people i go back and see . this issue is about someone crossing the states and getting an opinion on what makes america work .
i,ve had all that all that electricity, xmas comments and i find it rather funny .i even tell them about watching captain pugwash as a kid !. travel to america lizzy and see for yourself . good luck !
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You wish to know where Americans want their country to go by spending thirty eight days with them. You will not even scratch the surface. Enjoy your trip.
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Have a good trip- I've actually just finished taking a trip down the West Coast, across the South and back up the East.
It was an absolute eye-opener speaking to folks in New Orleans and comparing their responses to the people in the art galleries in Portland. Having come from rural southern England I was similarly wide-eyed at the whole thing- the emptiness of New Mexico, the mass farming (and smell) of Bovina, Texas... you've got an incredible journey to look forward to, and I'll be keeping up to date with you, as well as being deeply jealous, of course.
I'm going to guess that you don't really need any advice for the trip, but all I'd say is make sure that you don't just jump from city to city- those small towns along roads like Route 66 will contain some of the most interesting interviews anyone could ever hope for!
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A great idea. Our press is terribly afraid of the Republican machine and doesn't even dare to ask Sarah Palin any hard questions re: her competency or ideas pertaining to her pick as the VP on McCains ticket. She would not survive the British press at all. Too bad our press is so weak. You will only get a real idea of our people and country by doing this trip as our papers do not reflect the real demands of this country. If the first ideal of a real democracy is a free press, I doubt if we are a true democracy anymore. I am in my 60's and know what I am talking about. I am a true admirer of the British people and lived there in the East Anglia region for 3 yrs. It was a wonderful experience. Bring some true reporting to our country again. DME
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As a response to Jill- I'd say criticisms such as yours are inevitable.
In 38 days you simply can't cover the whole of the US. I spent 60 days in the country and still couldn't fit in a number of cities I would have loved to visit.
If they did go to Chicago they'd inevitably have to cut out somewhere else- so somewhere from there would have the same compaint as you.
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Let me guess: you will find Americans to be ignorant and make snarky comments about it. Gee, what a novel concept!
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For a lot of people this would be a trip of a lifetime.To go coast to coast in any country would be a great adventure.So much to see and learn.Do not be cynical when abroad.
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Ah, I just discovered the map you have available- a few suggestions I'm sure you don't need!
Be sure to see all three of the cities in the area of Dallas, Fort Worth and Irving. All have an incredibly different feel to them, and Irving in particular would be a very interesting place to speak to people.
It's a shame you're not passing through Austin, Texas- it's an incredible difference compared to every city that surrounds it- I could never work out how!
Leave LA as soon as you can.
Also, don't do the trip in a non-air conditioned 1990 Dodge Caravan. But it looks like you have that one covered- consider yourselves lucky!
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Jon,
enjoy your road trip, and make an effort to meet 'real' people.
While on your journey, you may want to read about the "Nine Nations of North America":
http://www.harpercollege.edu/mhealy/g101ilec/namer/nac/nacnine/na9intro/nacninfr.htm
Enjoy.
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I live I Tucson. So sure, head to Tombstone if you simply wish to confirm preconceived notions about the Southwest in a totally artificial environment. Alternatively, a visit to the University of Arizona, where, for example, you can catch up on the latest from the Phoenix Mars Lander expedition, might provide you with some insight into the breadth and depth of innovation that can be uncovered across the U.S. Yes, even in the desert southwest.
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Gay marriage/gay civil rights remains a divisive issue. On November 8, California will vote on Prop. 8 which would amend the Constitution to permanently prohibit gay marriage. Prop. 8 will be an interesting topic for you to discuss while in California; gay marriage/gay civil rights will be an interesting topic for you to ask about throughout your tour.
An American expat living in Spain, I look forward to your reports.
Best wishes!
Have fun!
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From the map provided in your blog, it looks like you are stopping at all of the large cities along your route. Yoiu should take advantage of the trip to stop along the way and talk to the folks from "small town" USA. There is a lot more to the US than LA, Las Vegas, and Washignton DC.
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Jon,
I'm yet another Limey living in the US - I've been in Phoenix for 12 years (which I noticed you're passing through). May I suggest you keep away from downtown Phoenix, and anywhere in Scottsdale. There are many places in the city which are much more representative than those cash-rich parts of the town.
If you've never tried Mexican food (I know I hadn't till I got here), may I suggest you and your bus drop by a small family run bar/restaurant - Aunt Chilladas (at Squaw Peak). The place is always full of down to earth regulars - they've even adopted me as their 'Pet Limey'!
Have fun on your trip.
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Interesting route...any rhyme or reason to it? You are missing the Pacific Northwest, the Old South, the mid-Atlantic, and New England. In fact, you miss the most densely populated area of the country (exception being NYC), the BosWas Corridor. ~ted, DC
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Are you avoiding the South East for a reason? Florida is always key and the Georgia through Virginia corridor is going to be more interesting than a state like Texas which will always vote Republican.
Great idea - I've enjoyed it every other time someone's done it. Try to avoid the stereotypes and show real Americans not freaks from the edges of the spectrum.
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JON KELLY?TYPICAL BBC BUNKEM,IMPORTED SCHOOL SHOOTINGS?EXTRAPOLATE PLEASE!TRADGEDIES!WHAT A JOKE PAL.MORE MONEY DOWN THE DRAIN
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Jon:
Evangelical Christians have an important voice in American Politics.
You will greatly increase your perspective about American diversity if you attend church services at one of the mega churches and perhaps visit with one of the pastors.
Perhaps the most well known is the ~30,000 member Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, CA, about 60 miles from downtown LA. Rick Warren is the pastor-I am certain he would welcome you, since he recently hosted an in-house interview with both Obama and McCain.
Mega churches really are divisive in American politics since they are generally anti abortion, anti gay, pro Iraq war. Evangelical Christians were central to Bush winning the Presidency.
Saddleback Church would be really good place to ask their position on gay civil rights and gay marriage.
Gay couples are the last of the groups that do not have equal civil rights in America:
1. In many states, a gay cannot visit his partner in an intensive care hospital unit; similarly, a gay cannot arrange a funeral for his partner, even if they have been together for 50 years.
2. Gay couples pay far higher taxes than traditional married couples; e.g., they cannot file joint tax returns, cannot receive social security survivor tax benefits.
3. Gay Federal government employees are specifically prohibited from extending their government health insurance or other benefits to their gay partners.
4. Because gays couples have no legally recognized relationship, gays who fall in love with a foreigner are specifically prohibited from sponsoring their foreign partner for legal immigration to the USA.
If you have the chance to explore gay civil rights, these are important issues to the so called land of freedom and justice. The USA is far behind the UK, Spain, Denmark, South Africa and many other countries in providing equal rights for all.
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Hello Jon
I feel sad that you are not coming to the Northwest. I have been to several regions of my country, and I have to tell you, that there is no place in the US that is as "different" as Portland Oregon.
We have bumper stickers all over town that say "Keep Portland Weird".
It is the home of vegetarian dog food stores, and pet chiropractors. We have a Starbucks on every corner, and most of our populace that is under 30 will have either a tatoo, a piercing, or both. Some of us who are over 30 do as well.
We have heart stopping natural beauty that inspires us to yawn at other states and their attractions. Very rude, but one just can't help it. Loads of outdoor activities like kayaking, hiking, skiing, wind surfing, and biking just to name a few.
We have very strong political opinions. And may God help you if you don't recycle your plastic. That is if you believe in God. In Portland, you most likely do not.
Although I happen to be atypical in that respect.
We are very cosmopolitan with many ethnic and cultural backgrounds and traditions. Dozens of wonderful restaurants, art galleries, concert halls, opera houses, gardens and parks.
Anyway, with your itinerary, you are really missing a treat. You'll have to come back and do a trip through the top of the country.
Welcome to the U.S. Please don't judge us soley by anyone you meet named Bubba or Billy Bob. And be careful of those folks who have a southern cross or a gun rack on their pick up.
Don't get mad Texas. We love you.
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Please don't pick up anything from the US Media. A lot of us depend on you Brits for some objectivity and a view on what is going on outside the US boarders.
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Well I think it's great, wish I was going with you. Hopefully, you will get a flavor of US Citizens.
Will your bus be coming through the Barrios? I think this is one voice that has not been heard in the political landscape.
Aren't you curious to know what people from the "hood" think?
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Will you be coming to San Francisco?
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Jon, a modest suggestion: Take some detours off of your main route and explore some of the small towns that are a half hour or more away from the main highways upon which you will be traveling. Your route is much too focused upon US cities. Especially since we now have someone (Sarah Palin) on one of the national party tickets that has lived her entire life in a small town and claims to be representative of American "small town values", you really need to get out of the cities, off the highways, and out into the countryside and "off the beaten path" so that you can connect with some authentic small town American people.
Especially on those portions of your projected route from Oxford on to New York, the distances between your intermediate destinations are not so far, and the population density increases, meaning that there will be more opportunities to leave the main highways and explore some small towns along the way.
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To de2you: As it happens, Sarah Palin will be interviewed this week by ABC TV News anchorman Charlie Gibson. She was interviewed some time ago by Maria Bartiromo of MSNBC. She has been repeatedly questioned by the press in Alaska. But, obviously, no one outside Alaska paid much attention to that before.
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I see you will be stopping in St Louis. Drop by the house if you get a chance. We'll cook up a nice home-made Yankee dinner for you.
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Sounds like an interesting project, but please bear in mind that every "state" you pass through is actually a nation unto itself, with a proud history and many unique features its residents enjoy. To the rest of the world we may appear to be monolithic, but that is not the case at all.
The best policy when talking to Americans is to simply avoid any appearance of looking down on them. Smugness is considered rude - no matter where you come from. Never mock your hosts, they will get you for it.
Other than that, have a good time. You'll find most people here are friendly, open, willing to help out and very cordial. If you need assistance with anything, just ask.
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Some one needs to check their math..
2800 miles and 15 miles to the gallon
times 5.00 per gallon..
closer to $7000.00 for fuel not 40,000
Jon, wish you were coming to the midwest
(Madison Wi) we could show you a varied
cross section of the US.
Again..enjoy your trip
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Jon,
As far as I can see you are going to be avoiding my state, Florida. I know that we have had our challenges in the past, well now as well actually, with the old voting procedure but doesn't that merit a special reason for visiting and seeing what a really swing state might offer your blog.
By the way, if you are from Dumfries you must know my cousin Maggie?... you know, she works in Patties.
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Mr. Kelly
I hope you will report on this strange an wonderful country with an unbiased perspective. It seems that several BBC writers entertain their readers by augmenting the stereotype that all Yanks are hicks. Only some of us!
There is plenty of good, bad and ugly to see.
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This blog reeks of poor journalism and just poor taste/bad-memory in the comment about no school shootings in Scotland. Shame on you.
I'm sure a lot of license payers would be up in arms if they new that their money was being used and abused by you to go off galavanting on what is basically a holiday with the US election as a sideshow.
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Welcome to the U.S. Jon! If you should happen to pass through Alabama, you're welcome to stay the night at our house. I hope you like the Americans you meet.
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I'd be glad to ask you to visit Greenville, South Carolina. While we're not on the route, it would give you an interesting perspective on things, since it's both the home of Bob Jones University and the birthplace of Jesse Jackson. It strongly votes Republican, but has had a large increase in Democrats voting as well.
Finally, I'd be glad to finally get to meet someone from the BBC in person.
PS I'm a poll worker, and I'd be glad to invite you to see some of our training, or even visit us on Election day!
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I can't wait to read more.
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This should be great! I'm looking forward to hearing what my fellow countrymen have to say...and what your thoughts are about that:)
Any chance you are coming through Tucson on your way to Tombstone?
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Hi everyone,
It's a real shame I won't get to see more of the US - we're missing out on some amazing places. But sadly, as untogethered says, I can't go everywhere...
Frank250, I promise not to be cynical. But I have to admit, StefanStackhouse, that it's the small towns I'm really looking forward to seeing.
Gavrielle_LaPoste, that's a really good point about the identity of each state. I'll definitely take that on board.
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Boynton_Brit, I don't think I know Maggie... but I bet she's sold me a sleeping bag.
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Hi Jon. A lot of Americans get a bit antsy when journalists from other countries do similar pieces on America because it seems that they're here just to find the people or situations that justify their prejudices against America. I mean, if you're looking for crazy people, we've got plenty of them. But, if you're interested in a balanced portrayal of America, then focus on the millions of normal people (who outnumber the crazies!).
Also, if you can change your route, I'd recommend starting in the Northwest, drive down towards Oklahoma and Texas, go up towards Chicago, down again towards the South, and up to the North. This would include a bit more of all of the regions.
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Good evening, Jon!
I hope you have a blast here in the US. Whatever anyone says, experiencing a culture firsthand is worth it, no matter the cross-section of population! I am worried about your traveling in a huge shiny RV with "BBC" splayed all over it though. Any way you could travel without it for half a day a few times? You'll get a much better response rate, I think.
I have a question: do you plan on visiting any universities? I ask because this year the college students are getting really involved in this election unlike in 2004. I'm sure that just walking on a few campuses and hanging out in coffee shops might give you a better idea as to how those of us in this strange age bracket might be voting, caffeine jitters notwithstanding.
Also, Indiana is very nearly in play for the first time in decades and seriously rallying for Obama. Sure you don't want to stop by? [Ball State is probably the best university to visit in order to get a feel for most of Indiana; plus we were visited by Chelsea Clinton, Hilary Clinton, and Barack Obama during the primaries. Just a suggestion. :D]
Good luck and stay safe!
-Kristin
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Jon, Greetings from Dublin, Ireland. Will you be visiting Salem? You know where the women who were accused of being witches, were executed/hanged? Arthur Miller's play, the crucible is based on the Salem witches. Be great if you visit there and be good to hear from the people living in Salem today what it's like to live in Salem in view of what happened to all those women all those years ago.
Be good if you can show us lots of pictures of all the places you visit and to get a feeling of how the USA people are talking about the upcoming election.
Good luck to you and all your team. Stay safe and enjoy
Tarah.
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Welcome Jon. You are in for an experience.
Interestingly pleasant , I hope.
As for you # 91 , rainlawrence.....
Take a pill or perhaps slurp down a pint.
Your remarks are truly offensive!
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Let us know when you are driving through Phoenix. I would love to see or meet you and get a picture of you with the BBC bus. Hope you have an enjoyable trip!
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As an ExPat living in Fairbanks, Alaska for 15 years married to an Alaskan-we have a lot to say about Palin mostly positive. She is well liked here, but most people do not feel she is ready to be President of the United States, and she needs to be if she's the VP.
You should visit her home state... Top Gear did!
BTW, I hate Oreos, but I do have moose meat in my freezer!
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Welcome to America. My Mother is English and I go to the UK on a regular basis. Love Scotland!!! I do wish you could come up to Idaho. Boise is beautiful and the people are wonderful. I do wish you had more time because you can't imagine how much of the country you are missing by taking the current route. However, you do only have just so much time. I don't think you can grasp the vastness of the country. No matter how much you see, there is no end to what you haven't see yet. Case in point - we recently met a couple who had sold their home and bought a motor home. Their goal was to travel and explore all 50 states. They had been on the road for six years nonstop and had put only a dent in it.
Perhaps you could explain for those bloggers who don't know what the license fee is. Obviously there are many who pay this fee and are concerned their fee is being used to finance your project.
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With all due respect, you are missing out on a HUGE part of the United States!! I realize this tour can't make it everywhere, but what about the Pacific Northwest? It is one of the most liberal areas in the US (not to mention the most beautiful) and we have some great things to say. It appears that this is mostly a bible-belt tour...your results may be a bit biased with the planned route.
Props to you nonetheless, I look forward to reading your adventures.
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Hey Jon,
First, although others may denounce your intended route, I believe it will be very interesting and educational to hear/read views of my fellow countrymen in two contrasting areas. The "Sunbelt", and the "Restbelt".
Second, on your trip you should keep in mind "E pluribus unum".
Finaly, I dont know how long you will be in St. Louis, but close to the debates is a district called the Loop where you can find all walks of life.
By the way the answer is yes, you can get to the top of the Arch.(strangley a common question here from tourist)
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Great idea! I hope you have an open mind. And you do plan to hit cities -- big and small. Truck stops, 7-11s, high school football games (or is that a football match?)
Good luck. And with all of the talk about obesity here in the USA, please weigh yourself before, during and after the trip. See if you can travel the US and not gain weight!
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How novel.... (sarcasm)
I wish my fellow US-Americans knew how to spell.
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If you wanted to see the real Texas, why are you going to Dallas ? You should have chosen to stop in Houston.
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It is nice of the BBC to send journalists to the United States for a road tour; though this is nothing new. Every Presidential election there are journalists that drive around the country trying to find out what the people are thinking about. One U.S. broadcaster is doing 50 states in 50 days promo matter of fact.
Regardless, have a good time and please try the local cuisines, people love to talk when food is around.
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Maybe your "Second Hand prejudices" didn't inform you that the North, South, West and East, (and Center for that matter) of this country have CANYONS worth of space between their point of views and therefore their ideas about "what direction we should be going"
I'm from Central California and consider myself at least FAIRLY informed about what is going on outside and within this country. For this reason I am absolutely APPALLED that you aren't even visiting the the Northern States and the only California city you are visiting draws an image in most people's mind of muscled tan men and women with the mental capacity of a bunny rabbit. Thanks.
Way to take a "Sample". I realize the US is massive and it is quite difficult to visit a large portion of the states, but please choose your states more carefully.
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As a Brit, I zone out every time I read someone shrieking with the words 'licence fee'. Would someone please engage their brains? The cost of this trip is truly minuscule compared to the total budget of the BBC; an even smaller difference to their spending than your opinions are to the people who will watch and enjoy the programme.
If you're going to complain about something, complain about the Olympics spending, not an attempt to understand a foreign country and provide us with a view of a world larger than our mundane hang-ups.
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"as we try to help the USA and the rest of the planet make sense of each other."
Aww, isn't that sweet, they are going to try and help America. Gee, I wonder how? By spreading left wing and socialist propaganda and pointing out America's faults? So predictable, and actually quite disgusting.
Hey BBC why don't you mind your own business and work on creating your own socialist left wing utopia in your part of the world! I really wish I get the chance at being interviewed by you guys as I'll be very glad to tell you where you can all go.
You wanted an American's view; there you go. Lets see if it gets posted.
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Wonderful idea! It's still hot in the southwest but not as bad as July and August. I think you would get more response if you posted the approximate dates you want to be in the towns.
I notice you're stopping in Phoenix and Tombstone. I can understand the reason, after all Tombstone is what most people think of as the "Old west". It's a fun place to visit. However by not stopping in Tucson you miss a chance to learn so much more about the southwest.
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"Hi Jon. A lot of Americans get a bit antsy when journalists from other countries do similar pieces on America because it seems that they're here just to find the people or situations that justify their prejudices against America."
Don't you get see why they chose the route that they chose? It's so they can try and "help" Americans "and the rest of the planet make sense of each other." In other words they want to try and influence opinions in parts of the country that usually vote Republican. What did you expect from an organization with a long track record of left wing bias and anti-American propaganda?
Gee, let me guess, will they be talking to Americans about things like "universal health care" and "global warming" and "gun control?" If I had my way such a foreign government financed news organization wouldn't even be allowed to operate in the country. I hope you guys have a miserable trip.
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How much does it cost to fill that bus's tank?
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I don't think you could have chosen a less diverse route. It should cater to your naive European prejudices well.
I'm better off watching Borat again.
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I agree with bezemek. You want a real Texan's opinion? Come to Houston; I'll take you out to my favorite TexMex restaurant and tell ya how it is ;) plus you can meet a real-live NASA mission control worker (no, not me, my fiancee, that smartypants).
I really respect Europeans that come to America to try to get the "real story" (although 38 days is SERIOUSLY short) instead of listening to the liberal-slanting media. I hope you have fun here, learn how to say "yee-haw" and "ya'll" properly, eat real food, and learn that, in heart, most Americans (especially the Texans) are some of the nicest people you'll ever meet on this large Earth.
Some advice: for the first part of your trip, a few Spanish phrases would be helpful. Take a picture of Big Tex in Dallas. Through the desert and Arkansas, make sure your iPod is charged. Make sure your camera has batteries for Kentucky; although you're not stopping there, it's some wonderful window-pictures in that country. In Texas, say hi to complete strangers as you pass them on the street. In New York City, do not (actually, try, and see the reaction you get both places). In Nashville, visit the Grand Ole Opry and White Castle (You won't find any until this stop).
From all the Texans, I'd like to say a big Howdy to our new Scottish friend. And the offer for dinner is still open if you feel like makin' the three hour drive from Dallas to Houston.
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Hmmm, the BBC a left leaning, government run news org.
Let me guess, interviews with every ignorant redneck you can find.
The side of your bus is missing; Obama O8.
Have gas in the states mate.
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When you reach the western suburbs of Chicago then let me know and I`ll give you a cup of Scottish tea and the views of an exiled fellow South West Scot. This is a very strange country !!
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Welcome to the U.S. Remember these things:
1. It is big.
2. It gets hot in the summer.
3. Americans believe a lot of different things.
4. Don't believe everything you hear.
5. Don't believe anything you hear. Since you are English, they will want to be extra nice to you. The English are well-regarded here (whether you deserve it or not).
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What about Mr. Creepy?
We are all doomed to forgetfulness, because people no longer know their own history, let alone that of another country. If you really want to know the American character dig out your Toqueville. Nothing has changed except the names and the years. I really do not think an assimilated Scot like you can give your readers insight into the US. The Brits did not understand in 1776 and you do not understand today. Carry on.
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Dear Jon: After 155 posts, do you get the impression that you probably could have made this tour on the cheap? Look how many offers of free meals, invitations to homes, inquiries about your route (and suggested routes) you have received.
They are genuine offers of hospitality!
I hope you will accept a few of them, visit the small towns, attend football games, church services, eat at local mom-and-pop restaurants, visit small businesses, farms, and local schools.
By the way, Wednesday night 'church supper' is an institution of the heartland. Fried chicken (home-style) can be a near-religious experience. The 11th Commandment is 'Thou Shalt Eat!'.
You will gain weight, and insight.
Come see us in Tennessee. By the way, Fred Thompson's home town is about an hour south of your planned route--it's an interesting place to visit.
Welcome to the USA, and enjoy the ride.
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To: vrytix I am well aware of the upcoming interview that Gibson will do with Palin. She has stated that she expects "deference" from interviewers. Sounds very full of herself to me. The Republicans have kept her away from the press and she reads prepared scripts so who knows anything about her except the half truths she has spouted on the air. She is not qualified to be VP and Alaska has less population than most US cities and is certainly not representative of much outside of Alaska. Our country is in too much trouble to have such a person available for the top position in Gov. with only some small town experience. I hope we can count on an honest election this time around. Florida and Ohio left a lot to be desired not to mention the voting booths without a paper trail. Too much fraud for me to have any faith in the system anymore.
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Dear Jon,
I believe visiting my country in the way that you are is a great idea. Why? Look at all the comments you've generated- and this before you've done your first interview.
I have the same concern mentioned in previous posts- your route takes you along some veeeerry conservative areas- not exactly complete coverage. Unfortunately, your route also takes you through some of the least educated areas of the States.
Before my fellow U.S. cits spam me- I'd like to point out that the most disappointing interview I ever heard from the BBC was with two gentlemen from the Appalachian Mountains. Yes, I know many people in the AM are educated and the AM culture is great- but these two men were not educated nor employed (read: did not have much economic opportunity) and the reporter took the opportunity to ask them pointed political questions and then touted their answers as 'typically American'. Not a shining moment in journalism.
As you have no doubt read, Americans can have very decided opinions as to what is a 'real' American- usually starting with someone who looks, lives, and thinks like them. I hope that you will have a chance to talk to many Americans- Native Americans, 1st Generation Americans....
My husband is a multi-linguist. He once had an Arabic Instructor from Morocco who took a vacation to travel around the States. When he came back, he said that he had gone on his travels to see what an American was, but that he realized that it was impossible. "There are so many different Americans. You cannot say 'This is the American opinion' because there are too many different Americans to have just one idea."
Jon, I hope your task is just as impossible and wonderful as well.
And I hope to visit your country someday, too.
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I love the blog address: bbc.com/uselection
I wonder how one uses one's lection or should one take it advisement and simply get on and use one's lection?
Seriously, I look forward to following this blog.
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Cmon.. you already know what to expect on your "Epic" journey. Anyway - I am a foreigner who lived in the US for several years and got out of there because I could not deal with the Stupidity, Ignorance and Arrogance from American people. There is a huge sense of PRIDE in every American I met - as bad as their foreign policy is - as bad as their government may be - they are still very proud to be American. I think the US is a deeply brainwashed country.. for many years I tried understanding these people.. things like why they dont want to travel outside the US.. why they dont care about the rest of the world... why are they so fat or obsessed with fitness.. why so many other things... but then I just gave up and moved to Europe where I don't need to ask those questions anymore. They all think they are the greatest country in the world - I think they are the largest consumer economy - nothing more than that.. and the consumerism in America is a disease.. which is what's really destroying their economy.. and personal lives.
I don't even know if Americans are nice people or just fake - if they need to carry guns for personal safety and if they need to feel so threatened by other countries and disrespect people from everywhere else - then no they are not all that nice.. but again is that how they really are - or just another brainwashing effect on their minds?
I dont agree that there are SO many different types of Americans at all - as suggested by some "Americans" who posted earlier comments - deep down they are all the same depending on what group they belong to. America is also still a highly seggregated society which lacks SOCIAL integration (they get along professionally where money is to be made) - Yes the whites, blacks, latino Americans are different from each other - but within their own groups they are almost identical in the way they all think. The educated and uneducated Americans still watch the same TV and still read the same news - only difference is educated ones make more money perhaps... but the way they think is very similar - you can go to the big cities or the small towns and you will find that big American cities are nothing but just filled with people who migrated from the smaller towns (or foreigners)..for making more money. Their value system and way of thinking are exactly the same - be it in Texas or New York. They might dress differently.. or speak with different accents but they still have the huge American pride which is rather more of an Ego and a competitive streak.
Good luck on your journey and if you find something different then please let me know... I think you will be extremely happy on your last day when u board that flight back to Europe.. even if it means just to get REAL food again and not eat in another one of those Franchise Chains.
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One more thing - since you are WHITE and European - you probably will get a lot of NICER attitudes but maybe you should get a Black person along with you and see how he is recieved in the wonderful towns you are visiting. Even as a journalist a black or any slightly darker skinned person traveling through America Interviewing the people won't get very nice responses from them - if they even respond at all. That is the reality of America - it is a hate filled insecure ugly plastic society. They will vote for a black president becuase he can fix their economic problems - no other reason... deep down they still hate him for being "coloured"... just like they hate so many others.
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There are a couple of more things you need to understand about America.
6. All Americans are patriotic. It would never occur to us not to be.
7. All Americans believe in progress. All of our educational, cultural, political and even religious institutions are based upon that. That means different things to different people, but everyone assumes it will happen. That is different than most of the world, even Europe, where it is assumed that institutions will remain more or less intact. In America, they won't. The only real sin in this country is standing in the way of progress, however that is defined. All such roadblocks will be removed.
By the way, since you won't be going through Indiana, you will miss the real U.S. But Missouri and Illinois will do as approximations. In any case, what happens in the real U.S. has nothing to do with what goes on in the peripheral regions.
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ChicagoBearCub wrote: "When you reach the western suburbs of Chicago then let me know and I`ll give you a cup of Scottish tea and the views of an exiled fellow South West Scot. This is a very strange country !!"
Why then stay BearCub? Maybe America should be a bit more selective in who it lets into the country, like people that are open minded and likely to be happy while respecting the country's different ways and culture?
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At least a couple of people here have commented that the BBC license payer will be paying for the trip. I just wanted to point out that the BBC world service is finance by the home office, not the license payer.
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Well i wish you the best of luck on your trip
just dont write any overtly bias inaccurate rubbish like Kevin Connolly does
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and where does the home office get its money from then neilsolaris,oh look!what a suprise!the british public!
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Hi
This Election will be historic as they shape American policies for years to come .I am hoping that Obama Fullfills the Promise of change
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NYC2LON,
I'll be the first to admit that my country has serious issues, but it is the height of undue arrogance to pretend that they don't exist elsewhere in the developed world.
Is Europe all that less a consumer-oriented than the US? Looking at the diversity of consumer goods that can be found in Europe as well as various European economic data on consumer spending, it's a very specious argument at best. The average European (as well as American) still maintains a very unsustainable lifestyle.
Undoubtedly the US still struggles with segregation, but Europe has its own equally appalling issues. Look at the treatment of Africans and Muslims in France as an example. Don't forget about the riots in the suburbs of Paris a few years ago. How about the treatment of Turks in Germany? The UK seems to be growing less integrated by the day as well. It seems to me that despite the fear-mongering some of our politicians engage in for political ends, Muslims are more accepted here than in Europe by the average person.
You're entitled to your own opinions, but ignorant stereotyping and arrogance is turning off even progressive Americans like myself. it's clear to me that ignorance of the rest of the world is hardly unique to the US.
If you want to help enable change in the US, legitimate criticism done in an intelligent manner with proposed alternatives is the best way to effect change.
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Hi. A couple of people here have noted that all Americans are fat, uneducated (how in the world have we accomplished all that we have?), ignorant of other countries, etc. I think their views have more to do with their own insecurities than with America. I recommend that they deal with their issues before they try to judge anyone else.
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Kathy - 171
That's not necessarily insecurity and ignorance. I'm leaning towards genuine, unmistakable and inescapable English elitism. Their tiny country is perfect - just ask them.
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Hi Jon:
I grew up in LA. Here's a good place to get interviews there:
Philippes's Original in downtown LA, an informal restaurant which has been in business since 1908. You order at the counter and take your food back to long benches, so an interviewer could easily have conversations with the patrons without much disruption.
It's across from Union Station and a block from Olvera Street, the oldest street in LA, which still has some of the original adobe houses built when the city was founded.
During weekday lunch, you will find a wide variety of people eating there, blue collar, white collar, many different ethnic groups; not just people in the movie industry other specialized groups.
I had a great time when i visited England and Scotland for two weeks, about 20 years ago. The people were very friendly and several times bought us tea on the train, and pumped me for stories about life in Tucson, where I was going to school at the time.
Have a great trip!
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"and where does the home office get its money from then neilsolaris,oh look!what a suprise!the british public!"
Yes, we fund the home office of course, but I was just pointing out that it wasn't the license payer. Somebody's got to pay for it afterall!
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Welcome to the USA!
I'm very curious to know your impressions of the different attitudes/cultures you'll find . . . if they tend to follow what you came here expecting, if they're more or less varied than you'd thought, and so on.
I've lived/traveled a good deal throughout the country, mostly on the two coasts with some jaunts to the South and Midwest, and here are some of my thoughts:
1. Most people tend to want others to live the way they do (in terms of values and ethics) . . . because they honestly believe that their way is the fairest and most enlightened view. It takes conscious effort to break away from that way of thinking.
2. As a society, probably the most "American" trait we have is our almost religious worship of individual liberty, however we define it. Meaning, whereas many other countries prioritize the good of the family/community/country over the good of the individual, most Americans do not. You can call this a sense of entitlement, an over-blown ego, or the result of capitalism; whatever it is, I think it explains a good deal of America's history of progress, growth and innovation, as well as our current self-centered, self-serving, and self-congratulating culture.
All in all, I hope you find your trip to be education and exciting. I look forward to following your blog . . .
"Americans: pretty cool, once you get to know us."
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I will be excited to hear what you encounter.
Your trip sounds a lot like our A YEAR AT THE WHEEL (http://www.ayearatthewheel.com), they say great minds think alike.
Check out our videos and blogs and see what we have encountered on our year long road trip getting "A State Of The Nation Address from the Nation".
Good luck with your trip. Maybe we can meet up in DC.
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Yes, but what about the South? How can you get a picture of the US without spending more time there? I mean, Virginia...Georgia...think COLONIES, dude. (Please don't let Mississippi represent the entire Southeastern US--I'm begging you!) I am interested in your adventure, however, I am sad that your trip planners didn't schedule a jaunt down to Atlanta or Mobile from Memphis--just as you will shoot up to St. Louis from Arkansas. Speaking of, Arkansas, Missouri, Tennessee, West Virginia are what we in the south call "border states." These states sided with the (northern) Union during the "War Between the States" (1861-5) and most certainly do not represent our sensibilities and values. Anyhoo, carry on! Cheers!
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Welcome to America, Jon Kelly!
Do please enjoy your trip and the good people you will meet. I hope you find our deserts beautiful. We are greener than usual in the Southwest due to copious summer rains. Tombstone, Arizona is more like a movie set than a real Western town but most visitors enjoy it.
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Hmmm, why don't you come to Canada during your trip?
We're having an election too - or didn't you know?
Not surprising, really....the media's full of talk and rhetoric about the American election and there's rarely talk of anything else.
Maybe Pierre Trudeau had it right so many years ago -
"Living next to you is in some ways like sleeping with an elephant. No matter how friendly and even-tempered is the beast, if I can call it that, one is affected by every twitch and grunt."
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nobody should be paying for any of this particulary and obscenely expensive jaunt in a huge opulent bus,to learn what exactly?and to impart what he has seen?what for?it has been done a thousand times before by better people than'jon kelly'it is a true farce of epic proportions that the bbc have the audacity to waste our money on an idea which will not be followed by more than a couple of hundred people,this is the true scandalous futility of the bbc when people are struggling to pay for food and heating.nobody is interested!the usa is a homogenous culture riddled with violence racism inequality corruption injustice,it is already documented to the nth degree,this is a disgrace.
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Oh My - Oh My!!! The first time I check your reports and already there are problems. The audio/video portion makes comments about "California's problems with homes they can't afford and cars they can't afford to drive as a result of the Iraq war."
WRONG!!!! I am in real estate and I can tell you that both of these have nothing to do with the war. Get your facts right if your going to comment about my country!!
The housing market collapsed as a result of bad loans programs (variable interest loans and interest only loans) due to predatory lenders and buyers who over extended themselves or lied about their ability to pay hoping the housing bubble would continue.
The gas situation is from a combination of speculator buying and the increased demand from China and India. As their economies boom there is increased demand for fuel for industry and every day citizen demands for consumer goods and private vehicles.
There is NO ANALYST that will attribute those two financial problems to the War.
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Dear NYC2Lon
After spending years in UK and Europe, you are the epitome of everything I didn't like. I happened to LOVE my overall experience but people like you would eventually raise their heads. You are arrogant, smug, stuck up, conceited, condesending and can only feel good about yourself by demeaning everyone else.
English cusine is not world reknown for its quality. I am fat and I resent the fact that so many of you consider it a character flaw and treat your own overweight citizens as though they were serial killers. Fat people aren't lazy but are usually in very productive, if not physically active lines of work. In case you haven't noticed your own population is having much of the same expanding waist problems.
We carry guns because we can and it is a constitutional rights which does not need to be justified to anyone expecially a foriegner. The British side of my family finds it an abomination that they can't defend themselves in their own homes should they need to. If given the chance they would allow people to have guns and even advocate the death penalty. Just in case you think they are stupid and uneducated let me tell you they are successful business owners, professors, military officers, medical professionals and computer wizard.
Yes we do think we are a GREAT country. We don't care whether or not you think we are GREAT. We actually think you should think that your country is GREAT and find in odd that most of you don't. Of course if you did, you would feel justified in doing so and would not feel it odd that you did or feel that you needed to justify your feelings to me. National pride is not brain washed. It is a healthy self image. We don't care what you think of us because we aren't consumed with insecurities and self doubt which is the one thing that always strikes me as odd when I am in the UK - their lack of self esteem when they are such a GREAT country. As far as caring what Europe thinks of us - When was the last time you cared what we thought of you. The answer is NEVER.
Thank God you left our fair land and went where everyone knows what is expected of them and conforms so no surprises no disappointments. Please do us all a favor and don't come back.
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I don't have any strong feelings personally about whether this bus trip should happen or not, and how worthwhile it will be. However I strongly suspect that this venture will not cost as much as it might seem. I know that the BBC world service go to extreme lengths to save money, often at the inconvenience of the employees. For example the reporters will be flown out there economy class with a cheap airline. I'm sure the cost of the whole thing will be a drop in the ocean in the grander scheme of things. Whether it's worth paying for I suppose we'll have to wait and see!
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Jon, I get the feeling this will be a brilliant blog. There are a lot of Carmichaels in the US and there is even a fan club so give 'em all my love. Ps. if you need someone to come and take notes.....
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Mr. Kelly,
Welcome to the United States. I just watched you on BBCNEWS America on television (the telly) and thoroughly appreciated your indepth reporting in California. When are you going to be in Arizona and can you post a dated itinerary?
Thank you,
Jerry
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Please come to Denver... local media ia not listening!
M
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172: "I'm leaning towards genuine, unmistakable and inescapable English elitism. Their tiny country is perfect - just ask them."
You really must know close to nothing about Britain. I'm just dying for you to ask any Brit, in any part of Britain, in any mental state, if their country is perfect. Then you'll discover you have the same prejudgments of them as your imagination gives them for you.
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Believe it or not , I agree with #180
Hey rainlawrence! You have toned it down a bit and become somewhat reasonable and logical! WHO is paying for this "excursion" and what is to be learned by it all?? Jon, hope you have a lovely little jaunt " round my country , but precisely what is your quest? Seriously!?! What?
There are people starving here and abroad.
The amount spent on this "journey" seems obscene! For what? Enlighten me , please.
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Isacki wrote: "You really must know close to nothing about Britain. I'm just dying for you to ask any Brit, in any part of Britain, in any mental state, if their country is perfect. Then you'll discover you have the same prejudgments of them as your imagination gives them for you."
You may want to consider thinking a bit more carefully and critically about what he is saying instead of concentrating literally on what he is writing. You are reading his words but the message is not getting through.
In my opinion, also as someone who has lived and traveled throughout that part of the world, he is right on the mark.
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Nice to see the BBC and my TV Licence tax can cover a foreign election so wonderfully whilst ignoring investing in a better standard of journalism in the UK.
Today in Northern Ireland, still part of the UK, we have terrorism active, an Executive not meeting and a football team achieving a wonderful result. Not one part of it makes the 'national' news yet no doubt we will ehar from one of the BBC's infatuated 'journos' about Sarah Palin's latest 'moose mom' witty remark. We have few investigative journalists here as it is.
Seriously BBC - sort out your UK coverage as per your charter - if you want to go commercial, give me my £130 back each year.
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What is a T.V. licence and not all americans are yanks or whatever you want to call us.
America is extremely diverse so stop the american stereotypes?
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To NYC2LON, Your comments speak more about you than about us.
You really sound disturbed; you should see a shrink and get your head together before you hurt someone or yourself. My comments are not meant to be a put-down, but I sincerely think you need help -big time.
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Whether your impressions are positive or negative, I'm very interested in hearing them, and despite any prejudices or stereotypes you may bring with you...
Enjoy your trip. From what I've read, you're doing a lovely job.
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"Nice to see the BBC and my TV Licence tax can cover a foreign election so wonderfully"
As I explained earlier in the thread, the BBC world service is not funded by the TV license payer.
Americanteen717, the BBC TV license is what the British have to pay for if they watch TV at home.
http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/index.jsp
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As I'm sure other people have pointed out, the route you're taking is through a particular cross section of the US. Nothing wrong with that, unavoidable. But I do wish you'd gone up the West Coast. Life's a bit different here and it's really impossible to understand our point of view without living, at least for a while, in the presence of huge mountains. They put the world into a different context, they're always there. Drop by sometime!
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Do you read all of these statements? People are crazy.
While you are here you should go to a football game -- American football that is. There is one is Phoenix this next weekend, if you will still be in Phoenix.
If not, you should still catch a game. There are many stadiums in the US bigger than any in Europe (several hold 90,000 - 100,000 +) and watching a football game is something you aren't able to do on your side of the pond.
Have a fun trip!
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Your blog is fantastic. I always look forward to reading about your experiences, and I am grateful that you consciously approach them with an open mind.
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Jon
Its good to see a doonhammer doing well for himself.
I'd be interested to see how you compare Edinburgh with some of the US towns and cities.
Thomas D.
PS Why do so many Americans confuse England/the English with Great britain/ the British - even on this blog?
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NYC2lon, you sound as ignorant and brainwashed as you accuse us of being. You must have come here with a chip on your shoulder the size of Europe and not tried at all to be courteous. The only people who really stir me up to anger are people like you (and President Bush), seeing an entire nation through the lens of your own stereotypes and stupidity.
Jim1648, I take exception to your statements that:
1. All Americans are patriotic. That is utter hogwash. Personally, I have little pride in our nation.
2. All Americans believe in progress. The town I come from has plenty of people who don't see any reason for change. (NYC2lon, I still find your comments offensive even though I do know some very conservative people.)
3. You see Indiana as real America. My point of view is rather different... I find Indiana the most depressing example of what is wrong with this country. Any state that will even consider for a second mandating that pi is 22/7... need I say more? (I am, by the way, from Wisconsin, and I do not see most of Illinois as anything like Indiana.) How can one state be the "real" America? Indiana is not representative of half the country at least, and if the other half is the same as Indiana, why not say that half is "real" America, and Indiana is an island in the sea of not-America?
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Hello- - Welcome to America- It's still the land of opportunity, where a person can become almost anything that he or she wants to.
I've read some of the comments above, but
not all by any means.
Now depending on what part of the US you'll
be visiting, you'll find from A to Z kinds and
types of folks.
Now in our neck of the woods (TN) a part of
the Bible Belt of the US. I think you'll find
gracious and kind folk here.
One of the first comments and or questions
I need to ask-- Do you ever think of spiritual
things? For instance If you die to night would you go to Heaven? This is not a smart
comment (smartelec) or question. But I am
very concerned about all man kind.
The next question? Do you know the Lord
Jesus as your personal Savior? I pray that
you do. If not I'd be very happy to share
Jesus with you.
I pray that you have a wonderful trip in the
US of A. And that the Lord guides you all the
way. God Bless.
Bob Wiggins-- Germantown, TN
Oct. 8, 2008 12:09 PM
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I go to the BBC for my news on the world and even my own country USA CNN has an agenda. You missed somethings about America by staying mainstream in your bus across America, like there are other parties and other people running. We claim free speech but did you know that the other parties that are not even invited to the debates, they are block by the Democratic and Republican parties. We are not talking crack pots, or nuts that what there dog or horse to be vice president. Look at Bob Barr, the Libertarian Party's presidential candidate he like the other people running they already have or are serving in Washington this is real. Nader who runs every year just to run yet if involved in a debate he could possible change local and global policies with getting his ideas heard. The grass root campaign issues like the fair tax act that is for repealing the 16th amendment and that shows witch politicians really know what is in the books and not the titles. Do they really want change or status quo? They say they want change but they are saying the something just in a different ways with very little difference. The BBC had a bus here in America but you missed the bus through polarized lenses of American ideology, hope you go back still sounding like you came from across the pond. Ask the driver or any rider on the BBC bus what about a nationalized Social Security number that allows illegal immigrants work across the boarders and keeps terrorist out of the United States. Let see if you got your pounds worth or did they just enjoy silly Americans voting for a Republican because he is white and Republican, or our likely president to be because is is not Republican and young, and can e-mail and text message.
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World media tend to distill human diversity into a depressing, mindless, muddy paste.
Thank you, thank you for seeing people as individuals .
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HI. WELCOME TO THE US. I HOPE YOU HAVE A GREAT TIME HERE, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY I HOPE YOU COME AWAY WITH A GREATER UNDERSTANDING OF MY COUNTRY. THERE SO MUCH MORE TO THIS PLACE AND ALOT HOLDS THIS COUNTRY TOGETHER THEN MOST PEOPLE MIGHT THINK. EVERYONE HAS THEIR OWN OPINIONS, AND YOU WILL BE HEARING SOME OF IT, AND THERE IS ALWAYS ROOM FOR CHANGE. AMERICANS ARE NOT ALL THE SAME AND HOPEFULLY THE SAME CAN BE SAID ABOUT EUROPEANS. REMEMBER TO HAVE FUN. DRESS DOWN AND LET LOOSE A LITTLE. BE OPEN MINDED, LAUGH OUT LOUD..WE LIKE THAT. LISTEN, THEN YOU WILL LEARN. YEA TIMES ARE HARD, BUT THERE IS ALWAYS TOMORROW. PEOPLE MIGHT PREDICT IT BUT NOBODY REALLY KNOWS WHAT IT HOLDS.
.......kaycee NYC
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Happy Obama day!
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Jon,
This is a very interesting perspective you are
taking on the United States. Having followed the USA electtions in depth I wonder if this change in Administraion will reform the USA and western economies ?
The BBC coverage and news in general is excellent and I welcome your refreshing approach to the elections.
Martin Jordan
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