United we stand, United we stumble
I'm reminded of 2005. Remember when Liverpool fans, officials, in fact just about everyone was saying that Liverpool should get back into the Champions League if they win it, regardless of league position. And the rest of Europe was saying 'Hold on a minute, you're 5th in the league, you've been playing the sort of football that would shame a boys club, and you are seriously saying you might win the biggest tournament on the continent?' To coin a phrase 'calm down, will ya? Calm down!'
That was in the days before Waldorf and Stadler took over, in the days when Rafa had no beard and little prospects, having succeeded the somewhat wild-eyed Houllier and realised what a hotch-potch he'd inherited.
It still beggars belief that they beat Milan from three goals down, but overhauling Man U from where they were will rank as a mightier achievement. I still don't think it'll happen, but after this there'll be so many bums a-squeaking at OT it'll sound like a squeegee-salesman's convention.
I heard an Irish Liverpool fan on 606 on Sunday - I've not been so jealous since my school-mate George Hodgson got his T-shirt signed by Stuart Boam and Willie Maddren and Jack Charlton - he'd had the Irish Grand Slam and watched United, Everton and Chelsea get beat, then seen his lads destroy the team in fifth. I mean I'd stop watching sport there and then if I was him. That's just perfection.
Rafa has got what he wants at Anfield now, save for a settled front two (the owners I mean). There's no more excuses and if it doesn't happen this year then you sense that, if they can avoid a Keane-ian economics, they should really make it happen in 2010. Benitez's whole mindset seems to have changed too. When they were fluffing goalless draws at home earlier in the season he was bemoaning his luck. Now they're tonking really quite good sides, he's complaining that they're not taking their chances. Heady days indeed.
The greatest encouragement will come from United's performance - and not so much the manner of their defeat, but the way they took it. Ronaldo stropped and smarted like he was auditioning for the new flamenco musical 'El Tumblero Gellaro'. And Rooney clearly has even less time for 2-0 defeats than he does for Liverpool FC. I'm not sure what's been more pathetic from Wayne just recently - the 'I hate Liverpool' remark or the way he tried to take out a defenceless corner-stick. Tim Cahill take note - it's not big or clever.
Riding to the rescue for United is the international break. You can hear the Torres hamstring tensing up as we speak. In fact it'll be fascinating to see how many of these late season niggles become full-grown 'strains' for Saturday's friendly. It'll be ironic if Rio and Gerrard feel a bit the worse for wear but One-Leg Ledley manages to turn out. I doubt Capello will be giving anyone a 'there, there' come the Wednesday night, mind.
Apart from, perhaps, Stewart Downing. Even the most optimistic Boro supporter (which some wag described as an oxymoron and nearly had me swinging for him like a Geordie centre-back until he explained himself) can't see an escape route now. If you knocked the last ten minutes of each of our games this season and we'd have eleven more points. We'd be 11th, dammit. But that's just dreaming and all I'm having is nightmares. In last might's I kept seeing Rory Delap pelting my house with medicine balls.
Big Four fans can skip this paragraph but it is pretty bleak this facing the drop malarkey. It's like hanging off a precipice and having your fingertips forcibly removed, one by inevitable one, by some gurning billionaire with neither heart nor soul.
In fact the only cheery note in the Bell was the fact that Newcastle look almost as ropy and Sunderland were the victim of a really poor decision at Eastlands. McCartney had to take the long and winding road to the dressing-room, which reminded us that on 7 March, when the Black Cats played Spurs, Lennon was up against McCartney. I'm sure footy fans everywhere, outside of our boozer recognised this, but have you also realised that when Man City play Liverpool corner-kicks are often competed for by Agger and Richards? If Pompey go down they'll play Watford which will see the managers Rodgers and Hart up against each other. To really stretch a point, should Sheffield United get into Europe and play Roma we might even see Danny Underemp-Lloyd Webber up against Riise. Sadly there are no creative midfielders called Ulvaeus who might take on United's Anderson. And much scorn was poured on Tony Thompson's insistence that England played many games with Peters and Lee in the same first eleven. After someone mentioned that double-act Hoddle and Waddle sounded like a couple of footballers, it was decided to that we should drop it on the grounds that the whole pub was turning into Danny Baker.
Still it takes your mind off honest Gareth's post-match comments. Sigh.
I'm Derek Robson. People call me Robbo. Legend has it I was raised in the furnace and smog of Teesside. Some might say I took the hard road. I like to tell folk I had trials for Middlesbrough, for Hartlepool and for burglary (not guilty). I've always loved sport. My job is to say it as I see it - whether it's in the bar of the Blue Bell or on this blog. You won't find me calling a spade a soil-redistribution implement.
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Ah Robbo, how i've missed you. Good as always!
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Cheap title, cheap content... expect better than this from BBC, back this up with some analysis and insight.
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"I'm not sure what's been more pathetic from Wayne just recently - the 'I hate Liverpool' remark or the way he tried to take out a defenceless corner-stick."
Not you too, Robbo. :(
An Evertonian-cum-Man United player hates Liverpool.
First question: Why the surprise?
Second question: Why do we care?
I don't understand the fuss. It's such a complete non-story.
As for the meat of the article, I'm a United fan and trying to convince myself this form can't go on too much longer, but to be honest they look like a team preparing to capitulate. Failing to take chances, frustrations bubbling over, indiscipline. I love Rooney the player, it's just a shame that he appears to keep building up to a point where he gets a red card and then calms down, or calm for him anyway, for another couple of months.
All the momentum is with Liverpool, and Ferguson must be happier than ever that they've got one of the more favourable Champions League draws.
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You get worse every week.
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Stop reading it then
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United fans are so easily owund up. and you say Liverpool fans have chips on their shoulders.
On the paragraph about being relegated, as a Liverpool fan I have been fortunate not to have gone through any of the relegation battles, so its really hard to know how it feels, except that time when Great Britain were demoted to the second division of the Davis Cup.
I re-call years ago, I was about 12, watching Liverpool take it to Coventry City at Anfield. I remember thinking, in my naivety, that I couldnt understand why there were any Coventry fans, and I dont just mean at the match, I mean at all! They were still singing when the fourth goal went in. I dont recall them having a shot that day, and after losing 4-0, it was announced that their goalie was man of the match.
My point is, that there are a very small minority of fans who follow teams that have nothing but success, in relative terms, and the hardest part of the season is getting knocked out of the FA Cup. For everyone else, relegation is a regular occurence. Take a look at the tables, and count the number of teams who have been part of the top flight over the past 20 years, and who are not now. Its an eye opener for a Liverpool fan who thinks we have been severely underperforming by only winning about 16 trophies in the last 20 years!!! Humbling.
Thats said, I am so desperate to win the prem, I would sell my mother, and chop of my right hand..
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@ 7: I'm wound up? Cheers for telling me, I hadn't realised. :-)
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HA!
Torres has got injured in 4 of the last 5 international breaks!
William Hill have got him on 3-1 to get injured again.
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I thought Rooney was unfortunate to get sent off. Booking for throwing the ball in the way he did, yes, but not for pulling the guys shorts inside their half. Im sick of watching Ronaldo get away with everything as well. He should have been given straight red for that tackle, where his foot was clearly above the ball with studs showing, then he carries on having a go at the ref all game without picking up another booking. Are the refs afraid of him or something? SEND HIM OFF! Liverpool may have found a bit of form, but they dont have the quality or strength in depth like Man utd. As Robbo says, Torres' hamstring goes and they're forced to play Ngog. Having said that, he wasnt on the score sheet yesterday!Boro have had it. Southgate has had it, and no doubt they will get some overinflated and undeservingly high fee for stewart downing in the summer while Alves and the rest of no marks in the team prepare for trips to Norwich and Doncaster. Happy days.
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It was quite refreshing to see a referee take action against the childish and spoilt behaviour that Wayne Rooney treats us to on a near weekly basis. Referee's are far too soft when it comes to the 5-year old-like tantrums he aims at them and the fact theat Ferguson had the nerve to criticise the sending off after watching the boy treat referees with such disrespect week in, week out only shows how old and biased he's become.
I'm sure I wasn't alone in applauding that referee and more officials need to stand up to players that think they are above the laws of the game just because they earn 100 000 a week.
Anyway, one other thought, Voronin to return to Liverpool with a Bundasliga winner's medal and Tyrone Mears to go back to Derby with a Frech League winner's medal. Maybe more Prem players should go out on loan to European clubs
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I agree about Rooney hating Liverpool being a non-story. I'd be more surprised if he didn't hate Liverpool.
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torontored: "I am so desperate to win the prem, I would sell my mother, and chop of my right hand.."
I'M so desperate to win the Premiership I'D sell your mother and chop off your right hand!
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torontored .... completely agree with you....
As a Crystal Palace supporter I remember singing loud if not louder than the Liverpool supporters when we were 9-0 down .... can't believe that was nearly 20 years ago!!!!
Anyway, some of the supporters of the top 4/5 teams in the premiership should remember that there is another 87 odd teams where life is a continuos struggle very season before they sput on how bad their season has been.
People critisise Robbo for talking about the relegation dogfight and then moan about blogging about Liverpool/ ManU/ Chelsea et al... Can't win the bloke.
I think there is still too much to do for Liverpool but it makes interesting watching, seeing ManU implode a bit.
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You get worse every week.
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Who is this comment aimed at? Manchester United? :D
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not as good as some previous blogs robbo but still funny in parts.
ps.boro AND newcastle are goosed!
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Crazyteknohed: I'm a United fan and even I failed to stifle a chuckle at that. :-P
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I do enjoy this bi-weekly blog, Robbo. You don't seem to have much trouble in churning out amusing banter admittedly of a throw away standard but then again on a Monday afternoon who wants the agony of reliving every boring detail of Liverpool's system or Man U's midfield?
I did enjoy the Peters & Lee analogy but would point out that sports other than football happily exist. I know the run in's exciting but yesterday for example we had Andy Murray in a big tennis final, England playing in a one-dayer in the West Indies and a day before that England winning the ladies world championships (cricket again). It would be nice to have some variety although I do understand your interest and agony with Boro rank high with you.
And as the astute Liverpool supporter suggested earlier, as a League 1 follower, I do understand the ups and downs of life in the nether regions of the football leagues. I think as a result we take more things with a pinch of salt and have a laugh about them at times too.
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the title should be "United we stand, United 'WILL' fall"
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Keane-ian economics; very clever... you must have been proud of that one :)
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who reads this week in and week out just to go "oh robbo that was apphaling i want 2 mintues of my life back" if you dont like it dont read it! its really get iratating the amout of people saying this is awful theres no need if you dont like it just go sit in a corner and cry - ahh
anyway, im glad to see Rooney sent off for his behaviour and yes maybe ferguson ahd a point he did throw the ball were the foul was but there was no Man u player there plus, any idea man u had of over turning the red went when he hit the corner flag, buit seeing as rooney got sent off for his actions, surley Ronaldo did to? i mean im fed up of him kicking out having tatrums etc and people still say hes the best player in the world, i mean does kaka(first name to come to mind) kick out when he get tackled fairly or when his team mate does something poor? no, Ronaldo needs to grow up and the refs that just let him get away with it are just as bad - finally as a newcastle fan i think we might well stay up we have a few "6pointer" games left and one being against boro sud be an intresting "derby"(its not to us but they think it is :P) im still saying, west brom, boro and stoke
anyway thats my artical :P
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Tut-tut Robbo. No revealing insights or in-depth technical analysis? You're going to get slated for that! ;-)
Getting back on topic, I'm glad the title race has been, if not blown wide open, then at least made a heck of a lot more interesting. I SO hope Liverpool manage to pull it off...if nothing else it'll stop all this talk of United doing the quintuple.
On the relegation battle, I've been resigned to Boro going down for the last few weeks. I thought Everton would do us a favour by beating Portsmouth...how typical for Pompey to pull out a win! If memory serves, we've got Bolton away next and I don't see us getting any joy there.
The only good thing is that its still pretty close, points-wise, up to 12th place. On the other hand, it may just mean our agony and misery are prolonged until the last game of the season...
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The actual shoddy content bears no relevance to the title. The whole article makes no sense and looks like thoughts penned down by a child with no sense of purpose, direction or views.
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lets_debate - have you actually read one of Robbo's blogs before?
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#23. Stop revealing my secrets! That's the last time I let the grandson do the blog on my behalf.
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I have actually read his blogs and that's what I think about it.
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To be fair to the lad that's what he's supposed to do on a messageboard.
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Ermm....I swear i could write a better article than this using PEA and im just 16 about to do my GCSE's. I see no explanation of any evidence there, therefore at the most if you handed that into a school, you'd be looking at a 'D' there mate, at most a 'C'. C'mon at least make it viable.
On the Article, i feel as if your taking everything over the top. When Liverpool lose, there's no article cussing them. As a matter of fact, Chelsea lost to Tottenham and haven't won against a London team this season, We don't see Articles about that either. A Small blip in United's road to their 3rd consecutive title and Waaaheeey, Everyone's jumping the bandwagon.
Remember, We're still top, 1 game in hand and we're in the driving seat. So no backseat driver's please.
-Gallant
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Nice one Robbo.
Can`t wait to see your team relegated. Blimey! Your manager is a pain in the Arse! I bet Arsene can not wait to see the back of him.
I feel sorry for the Cockney mafia though! If his team goes down then he will struggle to find buyers. But hey he is a Spud isn`t he?
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Ulvaeus and Anderson - had to look that one up on Wiki you silly tart!
"el tumblero gellaro" ;- )
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Still sticking to your earlier prediction of the title being done and dusted, I see. God I love how your predictions always come true.
This is by far the best season of football that I remember in me short life and it will only get better after the break.
It will be a shame we wont have the pleasure of Boro's company next season but hey, there will be teams and the show will go on.
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Robbo, this is quite good for you sir.
Although quite contradictory to your last article on the title race, its a good effort.
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Before I started this blog, every prediciton I ever made came true. Ever since they've gone into cyber-print, I'm made to look a nelly. Just 3 weeks ago I wrote how Boro were bouncing back and Liverpool were done for. So here goes, Boro to go down and Man U to win it. Arsenal for the Cup, Chelsea for the Champs League. And Liverpool to win nowt... heroically... happy Scousers everywhere.
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Oh, and United are trying to blow it and Fergie is cracking up.
Rooney cannot be defended and just threw the ball in temper after realising the game was over.
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13. At 4:45pm on 23 Mar 2009, alanborky wrote:
torontored: "I am so desperate to win the prem, I would sell my mother, and chop of my right hand.."
I'M so desperate to win the Premiership I'D sell your mother and chop off your right hand!
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Dont bother, it doesnt work:
Pretty sure our owners have sold their mothers at some point and we still cant win anything.
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But that's the conundrum Robo. It only matters when you believe what you put on this blog. If you ever forget it, just scroll all the way up and see on the right of your screen.
The moment you start calling a tumbler 'an artisan in pursuit of marginal support through questionable expression of character on a football playing field' will be the last time you'll be worth reading.
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A nice read and plenty of laughs as usual Robbo. I think the Man U team, like my old PC here is in need of a defrag. Whereas the pool seem to be coming together and going for it. It's going to be interesting, very interesting!
As someone who follows the fortunes of Ipswich Town I can relate to the fear of the drop and the eventual fall into mid table mediocrity in the Championship. Mind you at least we're not in Charlton's position and we've got some past glories to look back on, even though they're slowly being obscured by the mists of time.
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Would love to see United slip though. Yea United are stronger in depth but the only players they have that are better than 'Pools fist XI equivelant are Vidic and Ronaldo, and one of those spends most of his 90 minutes a saturday practising his swimming rather than playing. When Liverpool get their strongest first XI out, United get blown away, as we saw last week.
Would be a shame is Torres came back from internationals injured, because Rafa isnt overexagerating when he says that he is essential to Liverpools play. Even when he plays badly he is still talismanic on the pitch, motivating the rest of the team.
Its funny, in Torres Liverpool have a player capable of raising confidence to the same level that Gerrard can, while still being able to produce something unique on the pitch. Its exactly the same with Vidic at United, Robinho at City, Fabragas and Walcott at Arsenal, Owen at Newcastle and even Delap at Stoke. There is no denying that all of these teams play better with those players on the pitch, and even better still when those players are on form.
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I follow Liverpool and Grimsby Town.
Don't talk to me about relative success and failure, just look at the leagues!
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avoid a Keane-ian economics. Very good. The rest: mildly entertaining.
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Good blog Robo, not as good as usual though!
Keep up the good work!
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BBC, there are more than 4 teams in England. Start reporting and blogging like it.
Hope This Helps!
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#29, gallantManUTD, you can't even spell correctly. Capitalizing random words (hint: is it the first word of a sentence or a proper noun?) alone shows you have no idea how to write. For a 16-year-old, it's pathetic how the schools aren't doing a good enough job. Or maybe it's the parents. Either way, you should studying English harder before writing on this board again.
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I dont know why you journos got so upset by Rooney's "I hate liverpool", hes an everton fan and LOVES playing for Manchester United everyone at United hates them!
Its amazing how everyone is getting so excited about Liverpool now and United are suddenly awful after two shoddy performances!? Its all too little too late im afraid guys.....1 more title coming back to OT "come back when you've got 18" Yes, yes we certainly will!
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Nice one Robbo, cheers for number 34!
But you know if that does happen, or doesn't, you've dug yourself a massive hole you silly sod! :)
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Chelsea for the champions league? nope
Arsenal for the cup? Nah
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#11 - right on!
Ronaldo is a spank - end of. Gerrard is a much better player, but i don't like his diving any more than Ronaldo's. he's also only slightly more respectful to refs than Rooney.
and Fulham should automatically qualify for Europe, just for the way they play against the big 4, as opposed to parking the bus like all the other lessers. take note, losers!
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Brilliant Robbo as always.
Quite honestly though, the funniest bits are often in the comments after one of your blogs. I just can't understand why a light hearted blog provokes such an vitriolic reaction at times. What would people be like if there was a serious blog written, claiming a serious opinion on the BBC. The server would collapse. Imagine John Motson writing that he felt Liverpool should win the title because hey are a more likeable team than Man Utd for instance. Perhaps the BBC could try something like that on Aprl 1st??!!!
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"... had the Irish Grand Slam and watched United, Everton and Chelsea get beat, then seen his lads destroy the team in fifth. I mean I'd stop watching sport there and then if I was him. That's just perfection."
I could have been that Irishman ..... and I've got Jack Charlton's autograph as well ! ! ! What a wonderful weekend ! ! !
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Ferguson really is lacking in integrity
Of course Rooney deserved to go, as did Ronaldo, who was very lucky to stay
I guess you can't argue with success
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#29, I totally agreed with you. West Brom are by far not the worse team in EPL. Stoke are. I hate watching them and wish they are the first to go down. But unfortunately, they keep winning at home. That must be changed starting from the next game.
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44. At 7:54pm on 23 Mar 2009, 49 and that's a wrap wrote:
#29, gallantManUTD, you can't even spell correctly. Capitalizing random words (hint: is it the first word of a sentence or a proper noun?) alone shows you have no idea how to write. For a 16-year-old, it's pathetic how the schools aren't doing a good enough job. Or maybe it's the parents. Either way, you should studying English harder before writing on this board again.
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Pot and kettle spring to mind. Check your last sentence. Doh!!!
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52 littlejklc
welcome to premier league football
The idea of good and bad football is totally subjective - I presume you mean West Brom play a better style of football than Stoke, which they do
But they aren't strong enough - playing like that doesn't help if you haven't got real quality and/or a decent defence
It's not as if this is a new thing, fact is that's how this league works - arguably last season teams like Bolton should have gone down, Birmingham certainly played better - but the 'kicking chunks out of your opponent' method works better for the teams at the bottom end, because it gets the points - a lot of people expected west brom to go down for that very reason, so it's not like they weren't warned
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Robbo,
Sorry mate but you missed the detail behind the big trick of the week, one which Paul Daniels or David Blain would have been proud..how to make 40,000 Man Utd supporters disappear in three minutes during the Liverpool game. You must know the answer as you are an Insider in the game.
Cmon that's an amazing trick, give us the insight behind it
Were they bought by Gareth Southgate to boost the crowd for Boro's next fixture or as most Manchester People assume they were on day release from Strangeways and had to get back before the curfew?
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'I'm not sure what's been more pathetic from Wayne just recently - the 'I hate Liverpool' remark or the way he tried to take out a defenceless corner-stick. Tim Cahill take note - it's not big or clever.'
Haha, absolutely classic.
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So what did Giggsy say to Rooney in your photo caption contest Robbo?
I reckon "Hey Wayne, when did you say you hated Fulham as well? Can you let Villa know you love em and were gonna get Tevez to give em all a nice big kiss"
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I'm a United fan, and i'm still calm and think we'll win the title and are perfectly poisd in both F.A cup and Europe. My comment is about wat u saying about "the way United lost" i'd be more worried if they just sat there and took it, it shows they care i for one welcome it, ofcourse it should be controlled but all fans call for passion, yes he should have kept his temper but at the end of the day i'd rather lose like a Rooney than lose like a Berbatov!
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The big point seems to be being missed. It is that LIVERPOOL HAVE SHOWN OTHER SIDES HOW TO BEAT UNITED. Fulham were clearly paying attention...
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I truly believe that Liverpool for one wish there was no International break. This has come at a perfect time for Man Utd rather like rain in a Henman tennis match (hey, he won some of his matches).
Man Utd will come back hungrier, more composed, slightly refreshed and will go on to collect 23 pts and win the league.
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Just did the predictor: MUFC 88pts, Liverpool 86pts.....oooooh!!
Not on the prediction page but Man Utd v Liverpool, Champions League Final ????
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Robbo - any chance of an article on the pending JPT final? I know it's not the most glamorous trophy, but I'm curious as to your thoughts on it!
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Funny, as always.
"Ronaldo stropped and smarted like he was auditioning for the new flamenco musical 'El Tumblero Gellaro'."
A hilarious spin on a truly embarrassing display. I would be extremely ashamed if I were a United supporter. I feel like punching something every time I see that pathetic look on his face when he doesn't manage to con the referee upon performing a perfect triple somersault into half-pike.
Then to violently lash out as he did, well let's just say I for one hope that he is on his bike to Madrid sooner rather than later. Manchester United and The Premier League alike are better off without individuals (for lack of being allowed to curse) like him.
I'm surprised you didn't remark on the disgraceful comments of Sir Alex. Absolutely disgusting how he thinks he's above the rules. I hope he is lumped with a massive fine, a touchline ban and a slap for good measure.
First, you were well beaten by a much better team. Deal with it.
Second, both red cards were the correct decision. Rooney acted like a child, let his temper get the better of him and got punished accordingly. The only downside to this situation is that he'll only get a one match ban, when he deserves much more for his stupid antics.
Sorry Robbo, no offence but I really hope Boro get relegated this season. I have nothing against them except that they play God-awful football and if I ever have to watch them again, it will be too soon.
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As a fan of united for over 40 years and counting what I find most enjoyable about losing a couple of games is the obvious stupidity of all those ABU's who are full of glee and gloating at a couple of defeats for United. Sure we aren't playing well at present, and haven't been helped by some poor tactical errors, disgraceful refereeing both for and against us and the simple fact we are not putting the ball in the net lately. With all these problems we are STILL top of the league and may yet still win it (Hopefully with a deflected lucky goal too just to rub it in further !!) The real eye opener with all the gloating that has surfaced is that it really shows how completely desperate and pathetic it must be for United haters to have to live constantly in the hope that United start losing so they are in with any chance of winning anything. That to me sums up what is a losing mentality they all have deep down. United and their fans don't have to spend time praying for other teams to lose, instead they just aim to win more than any other team. Football is and always will be a game of wins and losses, good luck and bad luck, bad decisions, bad referees, mistakes, and brilliant play. The obvious goal is to do better than all other teams to win the league and United usually do manage to achieve this. So regardless of the fact that Liverpool had a good day and have finally manage to play some decent football instead of the usual dire boring rubbish they serve up mostly, the fact is they haven't won it for a very very long time and all the bleating, carping and gloating cos we lost a couple of games will mean nothing if we end up winning the league AGAIN !!
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at #40.
Me too mate! Grimsby about to drop out of leagues and 'pool about to win the prem (hopefully). The joys of life eh?
I agree with many of the posters though, the respect thing will only work if we get a few refs strong enough to send of the "big boys" for the petulance and 3 yr old atitude. How can i teach my 9 and 10 year old to play fair and be nice if they see there idols being winkers every saturday?
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at #64.
Heard of the enter key or space bar mate? Thats one epic wall of text to read through! :P
You do make the point though, the game is about the wins and losses. Even though Man Utd have lost a couple, the international break is perfect for fergie to get em sorted. Even as a 'pool fan i reckon yu lot should win it, sadly. :(
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Thanks Robbo, another laugh out loud one for me. Can you go and do the team talks for the big 4 for red nose day next year.
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I must say its pretty satisfying to see Utd lose, and to lose in the way they did showed a team not so well drilled as the pundits like to claim. Great moment when Rooney took a swing at the corner flag, I nearly cried with laughter...
All this aside though I can't see anyone else winning the title, which is a shame for the league as it does become kind of stale after a while, had hoped for Villa to break into the top 4 but its looks like that hope has gone the way of the dodo. Back to the status quo :-(
Also, spare a thought for us lowly championship teams struggling for survival, we can only dream of the lofty heights of the PL.
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Seems Utd are at it again! Worrying that Ronaldo will do one because he's not getting enough protection. Why don't they just come out and say that Refs have to blow up for every little bit of contact on Ronaldo to help them fight off any challenge from Liverpool/Chelsea. Ronaldo did have marks on his thigh but it doesn't mean they got there by an intentional foul. Anyone that plays footy knows that bruises, bumps and scrapes can result from fair challenges.
An example is when Rooney 'accidentaly stood' on an Aalborg player.
Utd would do well to remember the treatment their defenders gave to Torres. What's the bet they remember that day differently?
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Oh my days this whole Liverpool or Utd thing is getting wayyyy to much coverage!
Every time Liverpool win, their gonna win the league! Then oh no.. theyve lost or drawn a game.. now they have fluffed it up. Oh wait theyve won again!
Its close yeh, but its gettin wayyy too much debate. No1 can safely say who will win it, even though man utd have the slight advantage.
Hey.. who know.. Chelsea might still mount a late challenge. Thats the beautiful game baby, you dunno whats gonna happen until after it happens, but you still get a lot of Mystic Meg fans who talk about who is gonna win it or who deserves it more than the other person..
The only person who deserves to win it, is the team that actualy wins it, thats how it works
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Why should anyone be surprised about comments made by Mr Potato Head - I'm still shocked that he could string a sentence together and can someone tell him to stop scratching himself.
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Liverpool have done well the last couple of weeks. But Villa did give away two penalties, which obviously put more shine on Liverpool's performance then it otherwise deserved. They did well, but Villa basically did nothing most of the match other then lose possession and give away free kicks/corners/penalties.
Judging by that United will rip a gaping hole in Villa after the international break.
I'm not worried, United have a game in hand and Liverpool ar hardly a consistant side. Chelsea lost so they're practically out of it, Liverpool are the only threat left.
Ferguson needs to break out the "Hairdryer" and ridicule his team for playing at a level not befitting of the club.
I don't see 5 trohies coming United's way, but the league still seems likely to me.
Liverpool can have Europe (if they can get to the final). If not, they can have the little comfort of "oh.......but we did the double over United & Chelsea......that's good right?" to try and justify winning nothing again.
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CareFreeCoors...you write as if United and their players are the only ones in the land that stretch the rules!
Take off your ABU glasses before writing in again.
Scholes deserved to go , no problem with that. Rooneys second yellow was a joke, he actually threw the ball back to Jonny Evans to take the free kick. I didnt realise "aggressively returning the ball to your own player for your free kick with minutes remaining" was a bookable offence.
As for SAFs comments after the game, i bet you havent listened to his interview ave you? Just digested what the press wanted you to hear?
I heard the whole interview and he was asked at one point if Pantsil should have been sent off for his "treatment" of Ronaldo. What was his reponse? He actually didnt believe that Pantsil should have been booked!
He said he could understand why Rooney was sent off, had no complaints about Scholes and said that we deserved to lose but had either Park or Rooney scored when they really should have done better we may have gone on to win. I hink thats a preety fair summation of what happened.
BUT if you want to believe the red tops then carry on. Oh and just for the record i'm never ashamed to be a United supporter and as for Ronaldos diving, take a look at how many times he is kicked during a game to how many times he actually dives. He has been booked once for diving this season which was touch and go and the second time in the CC final which was an absolute joke as King clearly fouls him.
Lets look at Torres shameful performance on Sunday which everyone seems to ignore. As he walks away after "winning" a penalty he actually smirks to himself as Fridel is sent off. This smacks to me of a player who knew exactly what he was doing. Torres also has a similar pitiful look when a decision doesnt go what he thinks should be his way and both him and his skipper are well known for their constant berating of refs when things are not going their way.
ScottishScouser, can you please explain how you can you legitamately leave studmarks on a players thigh during the course of a game? Ronaldos thighs were covered in stud marks at the weekend!
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shouldn't robbo be concentrating on clubs in tesside considering the majority of them will be relegated
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#44 and that's a wrap wrote:
.... you can't even spell correctly. Capitalizing ....
Anyone spot the irony here?
On a serious note, I haven't spotted a single comment that could not be criticised by anyone pedantic enough to care :)
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Hold up, just exactly how many teams do you think there are in Teesside? By my last count, I'd give you Hartlepool, Boro and Darlington at a pinch. Only Boro are looking doomed.
And anyway, I like to look at the Big Picture, especially when the Little Picture is so grim.
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#73,
it's called a collision, it's a man's game. Torres was smirking because he had won a penalty, why would he want to see another player off, we were winning 4-0 at the time. Ronaldo does get some rough treatment, so does Torres, the difference is you won't hear Torres in the paper whining about it.
I would rather see skillful players doing their stuff like Ronaldo than a yard-dog going in for crunching tackles. However, it is a man's game, it can be physical.
Seeing as you can read the mind of Torres, do you not think, the comments of Ronaldo could be his way of 'doing one' to Real Madrid with an ready made excuse that will pacify gullable Utd fans?
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Pleeze letts not go on abowt spellling misdakes... it don't matta vat much just az long az you is undastud.
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I was hoping that Capello would have picked more Villa players for his squad. O'Neill has most of his players to work with for the next 2 weeks so expect Villa to put in a top class performance against United in the next league game. United are in trouble. We have Ronaldo and Rooney still behaving like children after years at United. Ferguson must take some blame for not making men of them. Do you ever notice how many times United players stop when they think they have a claim for a free kick instead of playing to the whistle? Again, this is poor discipline which the manager must deal with.
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Haha anyone who read this and expected a tactical analysis and insight really doesn't know what to expect from your blogs Robbo, but they do always give me a chuckle!
As a Liverpool fan I am quite enjoying this Rooney vs Ronaldo tantrum-off! If there were any toys in the pram Saturday morning they have been well and truly thrown out now! It's getting to the point where I can imagine Ronaldo going up to the referee and rolling around on the floor holding his breath until he gets given a free kick! Get him on the naugty step! People say Ferguson needs to take responsibility but that boy's mother should be marching onto that pitch and dragging him off by his ear!
Either way I'm glad the title race is back on, maybe we wont win it but I'm just glad all those smug Mancs are sweating a little bit, squeaky bum time indeed!
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Spare a thought for us Irishmen who support United and hate rugby with a passion. What a weekend I had.
Robbo please explain why Rooney is 'pathetic' for the 'hating Liverpool' comment. I can understand you were trying to make a joke about the corner flag punching but is this the only reason you included the pathetic bit? How can you honestly call him that for hating the club who were his biggest opponents growing up and now.
Are you pathetic for all the bad things you say about the Geordies?
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Robbo you are a star, How easy is it to send up these reds. I take great pleasure in doing it week in and week out and my club haven't won a trophy for 33 years (and we're still here).
Unfortuantly they had a ref who wasn't on the pay role last weekend although i'm sure that will change in the coming weeks.
Been through the relegation hell a view times(even releagated on my birthday once). i was hoping for a north east relegation trio but alas Sunderland might just be good enough and WBA have possibly the worse defence in prem history (well maybe not as bad as derby last year).
Anyways when you and Stu Mac going to be back on 5 live, it's been a while
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Because most Liverpool players hate United, Everton players hate Liverpool, Spurs players hate Arsenal etc etc etc, but they are professionals and don't say it to the press because they know they will jump all over it... If it wasn't a pathetic comment then why did the Man United wesite retract it?
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Oh right, so you can't say what you really feel because the press will jump all over it.
And why will the press jump all over it? Because certain fans will then be clambouring to say what a disgrace it is and how the player should be hung, drawn and quartered. Even though those same fans no doubt hate their opposing club.
I know what side of the coin is more pathetic to me.
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Because they are paid vast amounts of money and are public figures, so along with that comes a level of responsibilty, to actually act with a level of maturity!
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Whatever happend to the "Respect Campaign" brought in at the start of the season?
This was the initiative brought in by the Premier League to place more responsibility on club captains to control their team-mates and respect referees in a bid to curb the ugly scenes of dissent which had marred high-profile games in previous seasons.
I didn't see any of this at the Fulham v Man United game!
Ronaldo and Rooney were an absolute disgrace and how Rooney only got a one match ban I'll never know?
A player can't throw a ball the way he did and say that he was merely throwing it back to get the play started again!
It was pure and simple dissent because the Referee had stopped Man United from taking the free kick early and not in the correct position that the incident occured, he launched the ball in a fit of rage!
Then when the Referee had shown the 2nd yellow, he charges up to the Referee and starts pointing at him and then turns around trudges off the pitch and smacks the corner flag for good measure!!!
That's a joke it was pure dissent and showing total DISRESPECT to the Referee!
And Ronaldo was an absolute disgrace and was very lucky to be still on the pitch the way every decision that went against him, he questioned the Referee! exaggerrating everything and sitting his arse on the floor like a spoilt kid!!!
Man United have been very lucky indeed here...
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ScottishScouser - a collision involving the sole of a boot and someones thigh? Hmmmmmm if thats what you want to believe! During what part of the game should someones studs be amking contact with upper thigh of another unless they have carried out a badly timed slide challenge.
I didnt notice any of those at Fulham.
As for Torres, i cant read his mind although if i could i should think it would be something akin to reading the Beano so i dont think im missing much. I think we all know what his smirk meant. At 4-0 up he still quite clearly made the most of it and was quite happy to see a fellow pro sent off. Hopefully this will back fire on April the 5th.
As for Ronaldo, unless his attitude improves ten fold between now and April 5th i would gladly pack his bags for him in the summer.
Both him and Berbatov were shocking during the first 45. No wonder Rooney was fuming by the time he came on. For 2 weeks running he has been witness to performances totally devoid of fight and passion
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At what point did Torres make the most of it? Did you even watch the game? It was a stone-wall definate penalty, it didn't require any 'making the most of'! The red card was a little harsh, but to the letter of the law he fouled a player and stopped a clear goal scoring opportunity, there are not many referees in the league that wouldn't have dismissed Friedel for that!
As for Man U, you need to be playing the Fletchers and the Parks of this world, the ones who will give everything and work hard for the team.. It'll stop Fergie having to play Supernanny with his 'stars'!!
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I find it quite funny all the people who come on here saying that they're Man Utd fans. I would put all the money in my bank and say that hardly any of them have ever seen a match except for on TV.
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There were few Utd fans that believed all the hype the world medioa was placing on the team, I have been shocked by our performances of the last week. However I laos know full well having supported the club my whole life and being aware of our past that we never make life easey, while Chelski romped to back to back titles with plenty to spear we squeeked home by a whisker each time.
We haven't gone from a great team to a poor one in a weak. We have lost a couple of games but stll sit top of the tree having overhauled liverpools 7 point lead. We have a geme in hand and i'd have taken that in november!
People have been saying we'll se what UTD are made of now.... yes you will. last season we sipped up and when Arsenal visited us in April last seson we fought like hell and won.... which pretty much secured the league. Utd stil have to drop point in 2 more games this season and lverpool must win every single match.
So you all keep hoping UTD fail, i'll be content with chasing every tophy there is to offer.... Oh and yeah it's great to see you teams win and rivals loose buyt gove up after that... ha! I'd rather have the trble thanks
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Robbo - enjoyed it as usual ignore all the posters with no sense of humour, one day they'll realise the difference between serious journalism and you! (No offence meant)
Particularly enjoyed the musical references, will Agger and Richards season end in Satisfaction or will it be more a case of As tears go by.
Keep up the good work don't give up on the Boro, as Jimmy Stewart said in Mr Smith Goes to Washington the only causes worth fighting for are lost ones!
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firstly - one of the main criticism labelled at premiership footballers these days is that "they are bland and boring and never give an opinion"... then Rooney responds with something that isn't "i have no opinion about Liverpool whatsoever" and he is suddenly the topic of every discussion board or headline... as others have said - i would have been more surprised if he had said "i love liverpool"... so the bloke can't win.
then - i think the rooney sending off was harsh... he threw the ball and it went straight to a liverpool player - who was clearly in the line of where the freekick was to be taken from - ok he was in a strop but that was because his team are 1-0 down and he cares... another easy criticism of footballers "they don't care as long as they get paid their millions"... ok i am the first to say he oversteps the line alot - and should pick up bookings and sendings offs... but i don't think he did that at the weekend..
and as for the obligitary dig at ronaldo yet again... did you see the stud marks on his legs??? i think he had every right to complain... and as for his "horrendus" tackle on Danny Murphy - anyone who has ever played the game at any level will tell you Murphy put his body in the way to take the free-kick... yeah it was a foul.. end of.. get over it
if you want prem players to not be bland - don't get all excited and cause a stir when they give an opinion!... as it sort of puts them off saying anything of interest ever again...
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Rooney finally got his comeuppance, now there is just Ronaldo. How many times is he going to overreact and jump into a tackle because he couldn't get his own way? Even when Murphy put his hand on this arm to have a little word, Ronaldo threw Murphys arm away as if he had done something bad to him!
I'm not slating them because i support a rival team but even Man Utd own fans are sick of Ronaldo and Rooneys antics, most of which are long time supporters and not WUM's who've watch Utd for 10 minutes and think anything their team does is acceptable. I'd be dissapointed if my team players acted like this.
On a side note, if their was any picture that made Carlos Tevez look like a dissapointed Aunty eyeballing Rooney, then the photo on this topic is it!
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Being born in 1970, Liverpool scarred my childhood to such a degree that I will never want them to succeed over anyone, in any competition. For all Ronaldo's ridiculous posturing and Rooney going crazy-eight bonkers Man Utd must succeed in order to allow me to continue my healing process.
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#93 .... did you see the stud marks on his legs? ....
I'll quote you in your own words" .... "anyone who has ever played the game at any level" will also tell you take marks on the thighs of your legs can happen in a number of situations:
YOU can go in for a tackle fairly and get marks on your legs from the other person, it CAN happen (also this CAN be intentional as well).
You can also jump for the ball FAIRLY and also cause marks on another persons leg (this can also be done intentionally as well).
What a lot of people are trying to say without ManU supporter jumping down their throats is that just because Ronaldo showed his thigh to the Referee is does not automatically mean he was fouled.
I bet if you ask 80% of players who come off a premiership pitch to show you their legs they would have some sort of marks on them.
Ronaldo was in one of his most annoying, petulent, selfish moods that must annoy the C**p out of most ManU supporters, at times this weekend he acted like one of those 2/3 year olds you see lying on the floor at Tescos kicking and screaming becuse their parents had not bought them whatever toy was fashionable this week!!!
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That 'Keane-ian' economics pun was pretty good. 'A' for effort, Robbo.
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#79 Whilst you have a point about people moaning with regards to spelling mistakes. I'd like to further this a little, in the moaning sense, by saying how irritating it is to see the following: y cnt ppl wrte full wrds thez days rather thn relyng on shorthand sms style sentences - which i just cannot grasp at all.
Seriously though this is the most exiciting EPL (as everyone outside of England seems to call it) we have witnessed for a good few years.
Great entertainment hence why Liverpool and MUFC seem to capture all the press.
Good times.
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man utd liverpool man utd liverpool man utd liverpool man utd liverpool zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Your blog is awful. It was only last week that you were saying that Liverpool's win at United was only delaying the inevitable. Now you don't seem so sure!
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out of interest, "Robbo", why are you reminded of 2005? I can't really see any relevance to it whatsoever, or was it just a spot of reminiscing about when Liverpool were thinking they had returned to the top of the tree but infact were still playing pants football but were just on a good run?
I used to enjoy reading the blog. But now it seems to be a little formulaic - "gelled tumbler", "blue bell", "boro going to get relegated" "some random hard-worked-but-still-not-really-funny-joke". Come on Robbo. Assuming you're getting paid for this, and that you're some well thought of impro god, surely you can think of something better?
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@ #94 "How many times is [Ronaldo] going to overreact and jump into a tackle because he couldn't get his own way"
His own way would include players who foul him getting suitably punished. Is that so unreasonable in modern football?
Yes he does play act sometimes, but if you took off your media-hype glasses, you'd notice that actually he's fouled at least 70% of the occasions he goes down, of which he receives about half as actual fouls. He play acts at least in part because he doesn't get more than half the decisions he should.
to #96, yes, you can get stud marks in your thigh when you jump for the ball with someone, but that isn't what happened. Pantsil should have seen a second yellow, but typically, the ref turned a blind eye because Pantsil kept schtum.
If only Rooney would learn that lesson.
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Rooney is not an issue for UTD.
Who cares about Rooney hitting a corner flag.... ITS A CORNER FLAG. Is it me or has this game been turned into an absolute panzy sport. Any player shows any emotion and the FA should take action. For the past couple of seasons the media is actually ruining the beautiful game and make no mistake- if it continues, all football WILL end up like the italian league, unpopular and sub-par.
As for Ronaldo, well..Ronaldo is not a footballer, he is a drama queen who likes to throw his toys out of his pram if he is not pampered enough....Maybe we should wrap him in 'bubble-wrap' or 'cotton wool' and when he wants the ball the ref should stop the game and give him the ball in front of goal with the keeper not allowed to use his hands !!
Berbatov is the worst signing i have seen Sir Alex make, he could mark the end of silverware. Nothing in life worth having falls on your lap, its hard work.This is why Berbatov is not a top class player. He is not good enough for any team in the top half of the premier league.
Man Utd fan always !
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#102
So as it's physically impossible to jump with you feet on the floor and your absolutely focused on getting the ball, you have to no be mindfull of not catching a player just because you can jump higher than him!!!
I would say that Pantsil has been dreadful in some of the games he has played in (play acting and falling on the florr in particular) but to say he intentionally went out to "stud" Ronaldo is pushing it a bit.
I am not denying that Ronaldo is a great player and as such we are greatful that his talents are in the english game at the moment but sometime his actions are just terrible!!
If you look at it another way, if Pantsil deserved a second yellow (in your opinion) then not a lot can be said about Ronaldo's tackle on Murphy, a player is allowed to turn into an opposing player (it is called trying to shield a ball), what is not allowed is for that player to come in with his studs high (which is what happened), yes it wasn't as bad as some of the tackles that people were being sent off for earlier in the season but remember there were a few sent off for just having their studs showing (what Ronaldo did against Fulham), they were given no leway....
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#103
Hitting the corner flag was not the issue, doing that actually just confirmed that for those few minutes when that all happened the red mist had descended and he wasn't thinking straight or at all, looking at the picture in this blog just says it all, Tevez and Giggs are just looking at him saying "what the hell are you doing?".
Giggs hwho has been around for ages and a experienced Argentine international who has probibly been hacked to pieces in South America over the years couldn't even believe it, at 1 man down you might stand a chance of getting a goal to equalise, but 2 men down!!! Hellfire!!!
SAF has to sit him down and explain that when you are 1 goal down it is unacceptable to get yourself sent off, let alone when that sending off will make your team 2 players down, Rooney just let his team mates, supporters and manager down badly.
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Robbo you should take a look at Gavin Strachan Blog as this gets worse and worse.
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I find myself reading this torture more and more often. Its so bad yet addictive. Its as if the worst kind of 606 ranter has written it with their 6 year old son editing the language. You the kind who goes on a week after winning the premiership and says "sack the manager he's lost the plot" after one draw in the new season.
Robbo - no offense but this has got so bad both in quality of content and delivery. Blogs are informal and interactive but this is so reason to short cut from analysis, factual content and structure the same way a well written sports article should be done.
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The funny thing is none of the liverpool fans are yet saying we are going to win the league. Utd will still be 4 points clear if they win their game in hand. I think we are finding it just as satisfying the fact that the utd players are responding to the pressure when for the last 3 months all the commentators have said that Liverpool are cracking up and don't have the experience for the run in. That we are putting pressure on utd is a very good thing, we are competing and finally realising the promise that our early season form, if not the results promised.
Now don't quote me on this but there has to be some connection between the number of English players in a team, Boro and Aston Villa. We lost to Boro who have lots of English players, hammered Villa, who have lots of English players and beat Man Utd who are somewhere in the middle. Looks like English player numbers in a team are no excuse for not doing the business in the EPL. QED: Boro going down. What's next for Boro, Southgate and Robbo Robson? Perhaps Southgate can take over at Villa when MON goes off to manage a big club which I hope isn't Newcastle who have surely had the worst injury record and bad luck in the top flight this season going right back to that first game against man utd at St James'.
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man utd are cracking up but im sure most of us believe they will be back playing proper football, against fulham they were almost poor especially in the first half.
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#107...
You will miss it when Boro go down and we get a monotonous robot BBC journalist typing in perfect English and droning on about 60% possessions, 35% pass completion etc.....
To be honest most football fans are the "sack the manager he's lost the plot" especially the big 4 fans (usually about Liverpool). Robbo writes blogs that encourage debate and if you look at the number of comments this one gets compared to many of the others then it is usually on top.
Anyway i say keep writing Robbo as the comments made by others are as funny if not funnier some weeks!
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Poor Blog this week Robbo. Every other week it is cracking though! Did you have a rush to make the deadline this week?!
Agree that C Ronaldo behaved like a spoilt brat though!
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Rooney saying he hates Liverpool is pathetic cos quite frankly most of us footy fans can manage to separate our appreciation of the game from some tribal 'loyalty'. It also plays into the hands of them people who reckon it's perfectly ok to actively loathe someone cos they play for a rival team. I wonder how much he'll be hating Gerrard if the lad plays him in v Ukraine on Wednesday. United withdrew the comment cos they realised it was pretty unhelpful.
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Judie Rudie has evidently never kicked a ball in his life. Hilarious comments.
...and yet he's on here preaching.
Ronaldo not getting "protection" - sorry I don't understand - then go. Just walk away. Do it now. We can get back to playing football again. Disgrace.
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robbo i wanted to know your views on your old player Lee Cattermole? in recent seasons i have seen him put Joey Barton and Habib Beye on the sidelines with what looked like bad challanges and then seen him nearly cut Scott Parker in half a couple of weeks ago whilst playing against West Ham.
is he any good or just a little charver thug?
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"Big Four fans can skip this paragraph"
i skipped every paragragh to be honest
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When Liverpool played Monaco a few seasons ago, Baros scored past Flavio Roma, to make it Milan 1 - Roma 0. How's that?
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Manchester United do not take defeat very well at all, from the Glasgow Beetroot downwards. I Notice by the way he dropped a terrible clanger and let it slip to a newspaper that Ronaldo might quit English football because he gets no protection (Referee's please note....). He probably wasn't looking when Scholes should have been sent off in the first few minutes for a horror take from behind !! Perhaps it also slipped his mind that utd have had 3 players sent off in 2 games........Take heart anyone at the bottom could still put together a run or 3 or 4 games and
escape....
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I have admit this is only the second Robbo blog I have ever bothered reading and I really wish I hadn't. To the people saying "if you dont like it dont read it!" (#21), well how are you supposed to tell if you like it or not if you don't read it in the first place???
Surely the BBC have another 'blogger' on their books who can report on something worth reading about and most importantly, write it well!
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RedDevilMOB and United-1 ...... Not ManU supporters by any chance?
Just like most Liverpool supporters you slag off a blogger as not being very good ... funny that usually when he has the gaul to say something that you don't like about your great team!!!
Observations that most supporters that DON'T support the big 4 actually mostly agree with.
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#120
You know 'for a fact that only Liverpool fans' find this funny. United fan by any chance? Some of your chums have found my relentless Rafa-ranting very humorous. Don't tell me that two defeats have left you bereft of anything other than a comparison to the anatomy of a chicken. Still that's the bit that gets the stuffing, and having been stuffed two in two I suppose it's a sore point right now.
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#114
Cattermole burst into tears when we were on the end of a right stuffing from Villa a while back, plus he's a Stockton lad, so he has a small place in a Boro fan's heart. Fact is that he's one of them clog merchants who you love when he's one of yours and don't much care for when his boots are on another team's feet - if that makes sense.
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# 121. That's the spirit Robbo. If Boro can show that much heart in the face of adversity (a chicken's anus) for the rest of the season you will probably beat Spurs, Man City and West Ham to midtable.
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Robbo get a grip, there was nothing wrong with Rooney saying he hates Liverpool if he does though i'm pretty sure he used it in the loosest possible sense.
G Nev has a a passionate dislike of Liverpool as well, big deal.
At no point did Rooney say he hates individual people, surely you can work out what he really meant?!? If not then the fog up there has addled your brain!
113 - I have played football, i also coach it as well. Ronaldo gets some terrible treatment but i wont deny that other players do as well its just that i watch United play being a United fan and all that!
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# 121
I found the blog funny. And im a Manchester United fan. And im also from Middlesbrough. But with a name like Busby you have to follow United. Although i have a special place in my heart for Boro. Im going to go and watch Boro Reserves V United Reserves at the Riverside tonight. Get yourself there!
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Robbo Robson, i'm not sure what part of the country your from but were i'm from its usually a turkey you stuff...whatever tickles your fancy Robbo!
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We can't afford a turkey on Teesside, son - although as a Premiership addict and Boro fan, I reckon I'll be doing cold turkey for a couple of seasons.
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Robbo - regular reader of your blogs and really enjoy them usually. However, I've not bothered to read this one - more Ronaldo 'gelled tumbler' stuff and, as a bit of friendly advice rather than criticism), to be honest it put me off reading your repeated thoughts on him again. We get in depth top 4 stuff from McNulty, give Ronaldo the odd jibe here and there but yet again having him feature so heavily is getting boring. Hope you don't take offence mate, just offering the opinion of a weekly reader.
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It's nice having a down-to-earth, humorous view on things. Sometimes it seems like McNulty's only topics are "I want to have SAF's babies" and "Liverpool makes me wet in my special places". Robbo may break out the tired "gelled tumbler" discussion too frequently, but I much prefer it to endless synopsis of how likely United are to do the quintuple, etc. etc.
What I really miss though are Paul Fletcher's blogs... where did those go?
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I really don't think it's that outrageous for a born Evertonian player that transferred to United to say he 'hates' Liverpool. It goes without saying if anything.
But yeh, didn't have a clue what the cornerflag did to Rooney to deserve a right hook. Perhaps it was in the wrong position? Much like a free kick 30 seconds earlier.
The international break will hopefully screw some heads back on. Did you know Liverpool, should they win the league (!!!!!), will become the team to do it with least English players in their recognised first 11. I mean it's worse than Arsenal when they were league challengers. Horrendous stuff. Benitez still thinks he's in La Liga.
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Appreciate it, mate. Ronaldo got a brief jibe to be fair, but point taken.
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JudieRudie you really need to get a grip, I've got sick of reading your stuff now... The hugh amount of bias that absolutely radiates from everything you write leaves me with nothing but sympathy for anyone who actually has to talk to you about football in person.
Robbo is a boro fan and therefore pretty neutral in the whole Man U/Liverpool thing! A couple of weeks ago he was going on about us being out of the title race (which we pretty much were!) and you didn't see me jumping in and complaing about everything in his blog. Fact is, you've had a very significant stumble! Time will tell if it makes any difference to the actual title run in and to be honest I still think you will win it. It's pathetic how you defend Rooney and Ronaldo when even the most ignorant Man U fans I know hate Ronaldo for his constant complaining, and are fairly mad at Rooney for stupidly getting sent off and costing Man U their best player for the Villa game.
All in all, take off your Manc-tinted glasses, take a seat, stop complaining, and enjoy the title run in.. It just might have a few surprises left!
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c_or10 you are probably wasting your time... Football is a sport filled with passion, and as such most fans passionately support their club with an acute inability to see any wrongdoing by anyone affiliated with it. It's hard to be objective about this sort of debate anyway.
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Manchester United fans have been rubbing my face in defeat for years! I was only born in '86, so I can't remember Liverpool winning the league in '90!! 22 years have shown United 'fans' to be bad winners, it's about time they prepare to be bad losers! Quintuple? Aye right! All you've won so far are paper trophies! Or isn't that what everyone at OT said when we won 5 trophies in 2000-01!
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yeah you're right, i'm as biased as they come half of the time... but it doesn't half get me angry that some people can't see how bad ronaldo and rooney really are
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"I heard an Irish Liverpool fan on 606 on Sunday" blah blah blah....
So you must have been MORE jealous of a Welsh Man UTD fan last year.....
Im betting you are really the jealous type......not quite making it as a football pundit(actually way off)....reduced to backdoor sniping and totally biased commentary via (self appointed nickname) "Robbo's blog" .....I think if you changed it to "Robbo's LOG" and provided a photo of your weeks best defecation it would certainly be a lot more valuable to the bbc than your usual tripe.
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Re the Rooney incident. Ferguson thinks that all Rooney was doing was throwing the ball back at speed so that the game could re start more quickly. Does he think people are stupid? I have spoken to many people about the incident and they all, without exception, feel that it was so obviously a blatant show of childish dissent. I sometimes think that Ferguson lives in a different world or is it just that he can't take defeat like everyone else has too? As for Ronaldo - surely his previous history shows he has only himself to blame. Remember the little boy who cried wolf?
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Re: Apposite name pairings. When I read Robbo I'm reminded of that great mythical combination Gary Waddock and Roger Hunt.
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digispoonerta - cheers for the reply. fair point - you are correct the stud marks can be caused a number of ways .... i agree... i am not a Man Utd fan - but i hate the way that everyone is just so quick to have a pop at cristiano Ronaldo.. if you believe the hype he is seeminglly the only player in world football to dive and everyone simply slates him - when the truth is he is an absolutley class player - world player of the year titles are not given out by Man Utd fans... they are earnt!
I agree he has personality traits that are annoying - but when i watch him play football i see the positive things that he does - and it just seems that so many others only see negatives
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The reason Ronaldo comes under a disproportionate amount of scrutiny and criticism, is because he is recognized by most as one of the top footballers in the world. That means the negative qualities he has are going to get more attention. It doesn't help much that he gives us a full tour of those negative qualities each match.
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I'd love to give Rooney a right hook!
The only thing he could hit is the corner flag!!!
Well spose he's hit on a granny too....
So what if Rooney hates Liverpool, they hate him as much. He's attitude is a disgrace, and had he not been English (rather Argentinian) then you would of seen the abuse the media would have throw at him.
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FFS you really need to think before you type sometimes.
Because Rooney says he hates Liverpool that doesn't mean he hates all the players and fans all the time. It's football FFS of course he hates Liverpool. So do I. And Liverpool fans hate Man Utd. Honestly! It doesn't mean either of us want to nuke the others city. (Although coming from Middlesboro that probably won't make sense to you cos if the Geordies nuked your place how would anyone know the difference).
Does Rooney want Gerrard to play him in for England this week? Of course he flippin does. Will he want him to do anything good for Pool the week after, absolutely not. What do you want him to do, say he loves Liverpool?
The childishness of some never ceases to amaze me. If you take away the 'hatred' from football there is nothing left, football ceases to exist if everyone loves everyone else, the only point in it is you being able to say my team beat your team.
English language lesson 101; one word can have different meanings depending on the context it is used in. ie I hate Osama Bin Laden and I also hate Liverpool. Do both those statements mean the same thing? No, of course they bloody don't.
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Robbo - at 112 you had another go about Rooney saying he "hates" liverpool...
Coming from you mate i am really surprised by the issue you are making with it - you are someone who i think likes a bit of loose talk and wording to make a point...and enjoys the non-pc and well thought through comment now and then.
I doubt Rooney literally hates Liverpool - nor do i think he has searched his head for the most suitable word he can use (like you and other journalists may do)... he has just said the word "hate" and probably meant something like the following babble "have a reasonably healthy professional and social upbringing mild dislike for them in primarily a fun way that i wouldn't want to see any harm come to them or anyone associated with them - either way i certainly don't stay up at night plotting a campaign of terror fueled by my hatered for them".. which sort of doesn't role off the tongue as well...
some left wing political campaigner may well take great issue in the word "hate" - as rightly it may not support the topics of conversations they are having... but come on man!.... Rooney saying he "hates" liverpool... please don't get offended by that or think by him saying it or not encourages the half-wit idiot fans that are too stupid to understand any better - if he had said "i love liverpool" it wouldn't have set about world harmony and all fans meeting at football matches and holding hands with "rivals" throughout the game...
by hammering him all you are doing is supporting the wenger-esque "i didn't see it" "i have no opinion" non-response that i don't think you like?????
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Robbo, as ever a fine piece of tongue in cheek analysis that winds most fans up and makes them giggle at the same time.
Am I the only one who thinks that Mr Fergie using dodge-ball as the main thrust of his training regime is proving detremental? Or is it simply that Scholes and Rooney are not as good at catch as they are at football?
All beside, after the Man U and Liverpool bating, how sensitive are you going to be when the last relegation spot is between the geordies, maccams and smoggers?
2 out of 3 to go down???
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United fan here, but hopefully want to give a bit of fair analysis of previous weeks and events --
Man Utd's form -- Man Utd's form has obviously taken a sever dip over the last week or so, with the culmination of some shocking passing, ill-discipline and a lack of ruthlessness in front of goal virtually handing Fulham and Liverpool their wins - not to say they didn't play well, they both fully deserve their wins. But, United's season is far from over, it isn't a meltdown and it's not a disaster. Man Utd are still top, and do have a game in hand. The race to the title though is very much on, and Liverpool and Man Utd will both be desperate to win it. I am sure both will drop points before the end of the campaign, but I don't think anyone can predict with any certainty who will end up top come the end of the season.
Wayne Rooney - first of all his 'hate Liverpool' quote - hate was probably a silly word to use, but surely everybody can relate to the rivalry and sometimes overflowing passion involved in football. United and Liverpool, generally speaking, don't get on and their fans (when it comes to football) don't like each other too much. This is the same as Sheffield Wednesday / United fans, Everton / Liverpool, Villa / Birmingham fans, Forest / Derby fans etc etc, you get the point. So, an Everton fan moving to Manchester united that doesn't like Liverpool - quelle surprise??? Hate was a silly word to use, but lets not all appear saintly, we all have football rivals that we aren't too keen on.
Rooney's red card - personally, I think slightly harsh, but within the law yes perfectly fair. But, I think Rooney is critiscised wildly for his passion and eagerness for United and the game - yes this does boil over sometimes but can any player state that they love their team but never get annoyed at ref's decisions??? I'd rather have him in my team than someone who isn't too bothered if decisions go their way!!!
Ronaldo - let's face it, he's not liked too much is he? Against Fulham he got hammered all game long by Pantsil, honestly, I personally (trying to be unbiased here) think Pantsil deserved more than one yellow card. But Ronaldo makes on harsh tackle and it's all over the papers. Now don't get me wrong, one bad tackle is one too many, but I just think the focus on him is unjustified sometimes and a blind eye is turned to others on the field. Everybody should be judged the same or not at all - I think sometimes this match of the day culture where everybody quotes what is shown on there can be misleading - how many pople watched all 90 mins on Saturday?? And on a footnote, his form has been pretty average this season, and I for one am not too bothered if he stays or goes.
Berbatov - jury still out on him!!!
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hmmm next year liverpool PL? me thinks Arsenal looking at their squad and quality might win it
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We have hardly stumbled have we, considering we have a game in hand in which after we will have 8 games to go is not bad. We also have our tough games at home. I would call it more of a tiny blip then a stumble! Funny how when Ronaldo is a victim of dirty tackles and bad refereeing he overeacts making him "strop" but when Gerrard dives and intimidates referees nothing gets reported!
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Some sense from a Manu fan... Well said 66 was a great year.
One error though - You in no way handed the game to Liverpool - We did to you we did to RM & AV - took the game to you, didn't give you a second on the ball, dominated in all areas and totally played you off the park!
Good post though - I don't know how any of you have time for the greasy Portu-git moaning fool. He doesn't want to play for you! Disgrace to football.
Roon's just a winner - hates loosing!! Nothing wrong that! Hate is an unprofessional word - I have no time for Man U!
Giggs & Scoles have class and your manager need to learn from them!
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Its a long time ago, but I still dont know why, other than sour grapes, there was such an issue with Liverpool re-entering the CL in 2005/6 as holders.
It was an oversight in the rules, and had previously been part of the European Cup rules that the holders can defend the trophy if they did not qualify as champs for the next year. Liverpool had taken advantage of that rule as had Notts Forest in the 80's.
Its history now, but I still see comments from United fans saying how wrong it was. Most of them forget that United were in the CL in 1999, the year they beat Bayern Munich, having finished second in the premiership to Arsenal.
As for Rooney and United indiscipline. There are many players who play on the edge and will blow-up from time to time. Cantona famously. Some are worth sticking by some arent. Cantona and Rooney you stick with, Bowyer and Bellamy get transferred every season!
Ronaldo is different though. I dont think his whingeing and antics build up his motivation the way Rooney gets going when he's wound up. I think Ronaldo gets distracted by it.
Ferguson doesnt pay any attention to changing his players too much, so he wont do anything about it. Players he doesnt like the look of get transferred, and that is that. I say this because I watched a game from 10 years ago on the box the other day, and Paul Scholes committed a terribly badly timed tackle, got a yellow card and was on the edge for the rest of the game. He was clearly hindered by what he had done, and was much less effective after the yellow card. Now you would think Fergie would have him practice his timing on tackling, him being a midfielder and all, and a talented lad like Scholes would get better right? So hows that going for you Paul?
I would be surprised if Fergie has EVER said a thing to Rooney about his behaviour.
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Post 100, what piffle.
The articles rubbish because he's not so sure and changed his mind? There's me thinking people had a right to change their mind, silly me.
2 weeks ago i thought we were out of it unless we beat United and even then it was a big big longshot, now i think we can do it. Am i not allowed to change my mind as well?
Grow up mate, depending on how results go from week to week the ambitions of clubs will change until the very day the last match is played or the aims are mathematically out of reach.
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GOOD GOD JudieRudie!
Please take off your rose-tinted glasses!
What you posted in response to my comment is sheer insanity.
"Rooneys second yellow was a joke, he actually threw the ball back to Jonny Evans to take the free kick. I didnt realise "aggressively returning the ball to your own player for your free kick with minutes remaining" was a bookable offence"
That is not what happened and YOU KNOW IT. He hurled the ball in frustration and in retaliation to the referee's decision to stop play after United took a free kick some ten metres off the mark. You cannot tell me that you honestly believe that he was merely throwing the ball back to his team-mate to retake the kick. You of all people should be aware of Rooney's temperament, in that he has a short fuse. Throwing the ball away = yellow card. Or is this another rule that doesn't apply to United?
I never said United were the only team to attempt to bend the rules. But you must admit, it's becoming somewhat of a trend when results don't go United's way.
And yes, I did listen to the entire interview, thanks for asking. What I heard was Sir Alex's continued attempts to influence authority. What a joke. He never said words to the effect of "he could understand why Rooney was sent off", so stop putting words in his mouth.
I actually laughed out loud when you tried to defend Mr. Ronaldo for his antics. I think even United fans will agree that his behaviour was shameful. After a series of attempts to con the referee into giving him fouls, he lashes out in anger. Then did you see his reaction after Murphy attempted to shake his hand? DISGRACEFUL. Then he has the gall to continue to hound the referee? He hasn't been booked for diving nearly as much as he should have been throughout the course of the season simply because referees are scared to dip their hands into their pockets.
Your comparing Torres smiling when he wins a penalty to Ronaldo (oh the irony - remember the winking incident?). Some players celebrate like they've scored a goal when they win a penalty! I'm not defending this at all, but surely a slight "smirk" is acceptable!
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- CarefreeCoors
Totally agreed with your comments mate.
I only wish Ron 'Chopper' Harris was around to sort both Ronaldo and Rooney out!
Forget Fergie and his 'hairdryer' treatment which is probably as effective as Robinho playing in away games.
What they need is a kick up the backside. I sometimes do wonder what Cloughy would of had to say about those two.
Talent yes, but sportsmanship!? NO!
Players such as Giggs, Scholes and Ole Gunnar should be respected. Not these over-paid, 'I could do anything I want' prima donnas.
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138. At 5:30pm on 24 Mar 2009, Mathna wrote:
Re: Apposite name pairings. When I read Robbo I'm reminded of that great mythical combination Gary Waddock and Roger Hunt.
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That'll be Rory Haddock? Who's he?
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150. At 8:38pm on 24 Mar 2009, Cheesymunky wrote:
Post 100, what piffle.
The articles rubbish because he's not so sure and changed his mind? There's me thinking people had a right to change their mind, silly me.
2 weeks ago i thought we were out of it unless we beat United and even then it was a big big longshot, now i think we can do it. Am i not allowed to change my mind as well?
Grow up mate, depending on how results go from week to week the ambitions of clubs will change until the very day the last match is played or the aims are mathematically out of reach.
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Also can I point out to the mad Mancs that I did say that I still think they'll win it - it's just that it's already closer than I thought (or indeed anyone did)
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He's done it to us again ... and we all fell for it....again. There we all were, despondent,thinking here we go the premiership settled months before the end of season.That crafty old Scottish codger thought "here's a good chance to wind them all up" He gets his ace striker,midfielder and defender sent off and looses two games straight in dramatic fashion.We all think "hang on, we've got a chance here, We really might win it!!" Meanwhile, Rooney, Vidic and Scholes freshen up with a couple of weeks rest. They take maybe just a point from Villa - and match the chasers point for point till May.Full squad, they'll probably win the Cup and Champions League to boot.He is a genius.We may not like him, but hell,what would we give to have the worlds best manager here at Accrington Stanley, or Liverpool,Arsenal,Chel.........
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On another point, who cares if Rooney says he hates Liverpool? I'm sure they hate him too; he is an ex-Evertonian after all. He probably shouldn't have said it (especially because United promptly went and got absolutely flogged) but it's not really that big a deal.
Valderramas_boots; too right about the Chopper Harris comments.
And now I hear that United are fearful of Ronaldo leaving because he doesn't receive sufficient "protection" from the referees in England.
Does anyone else think this is an absolute farce??? I mean, for God's sake!
Do FIFA publish two sets of rules a year; that being, "Rules that apply for Cristiano Ronaldo" and "Rules that apply to everyone else"? You play the game, you play by the same rules everyone else does and YOU RECEIVE THE SAME TREATMENT EVERYONE ELSE DOES.
I'm sick to death - no, it's actually past that point - of this whining prima donna. Ship him out ASAP; the Premier League is richer without him.
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Remember, We're still top, 1 game in hand and we're in the driving seat. So no backseat driver's please.
-Gallant
yeah...1 game in hand indeed but in the driving seat...driving backwards...
suppose MU supporters are just as myoptic as their manager..talking about winning the quintuple..seems more like SAF being the squintuble..having a go at Phil Dowd when he had so admirably sent off "Shrek"
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A.I.G, a few
Aig on your face
Alex Is Grumpy
Aig Aig Aig (with silent "G" as heard a little to the west of theatre of nightmares)
And Its Gone (lead and goal difference)
All In Goal (tactics for run in)
All In Goal (if you were looking for the match ball at at OT)
Anfield is Greater
Accept It Gracefully (the most memorable week in English non cup final football in the 21st century, probably)
And I Gerrard
Anyone in Goal?
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You forgot that if Phil Babb and Willie Donaughy would have played in the same team there would have been a Donaughy Babb defence.
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Another dig at United.
I wonder when your beloved Boro get relegated, do BBC also relegate you to write about championship only ?
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138 - Mathna.
Take a bow mate - that is the funniest thing i have ever read on a Robbo blog.... absolute class...
cheers - it made me laugh out loud. I love your work
Waddock Hunt ...hahahahaha
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And I second boomshakalak !! It was a good read..and a good laugh. Robbo, keep up the good work. It's refreshing to read a jovial perspective when other writers get too analytical.
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God bless you, saffajay...
That mathna's a card eh? I'm reminded of a lad in our pub who was getting on our nerves and a mate of mine described him as being like Samatha Janus's brother - Hugh.
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nice one robbo - but I agree with all those who thought this week wasn't the greatest - how come, too many ones down the bell?! :)
as for all those commenters who complain about drivel, spelling and grammar are probably the type of people who look like they've got something stuck under their nose. also, you consistently get more than 100 comments by all sorts, including the ones lacking in imagination - so you must be doing something right!
hope the next one is back to your usual standard!
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Bloody hell ive got some stick on here! My posts obviously dont read as they sound in my head.
To put things straight, yes i get sick to the back teeth of Ronaldos posturing. He just needs to cocentrate on his game and let his ability do the talking and take the kicks as a sign of flattery.
As for Rooney, i dont think he'll change, bit like Keano. Hes just that kind of character. He picks up pointless bookings like Scholesy and how old is Paul now? 33/34? They'll never change.
Just look at Saturday, inside the first 60 secs Paul should have been booked for a shocker of a "tackle".
The thing is ill always defend my team to the hilt but if you had a sitdown chat with me you'll realise im not as blinkered as my posts may make me look.
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Irish Liverpool fan - LOL
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How is it that when Messi recieves 'treatment' he carries on doing what is best, playing football - not MOANING!
Why is it that when Ronaldo gets tackled he thinks the world is against him!?
As previous posts have suggested - it's one rule for all....
If you can't play by them - then good riddance!
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"Big Four fans can skip this paragraph but it is pretty bleak this facing the drop malarkey. It's like hanging off a precipice and having your fingertips forcibly removed, one by inevitable one, by some gurning billionaire with neither heart nor soul."
I know we're probably out of the title race, but have Chelsea dropped into 5th now? Or did I imagine those relegation battles of the 70s and 80s? Just cos we are at the top end of the table now doesn't mean we've all forgotten how slow a (footballing) death it can be fighting relegation...
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#129 should be running the BBC blogs!!! Spot on, every word of it!
Great column as always Robbo, kept me chuckling.
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I was at Anfield in the away end on Sunday. There's something perversly enjoyable about seeing your team get humped yet still having a good sing-song, certainly takes your mind off of the shambles of the team performance
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last few games of the season
Torres gets injured but liverpool cope to win easy games however lose against arsenal who continue to be unbeaten. Chelsea lose it completely n r out of the race. Man u stumble but manage to correct their mistakes. Oh yeah just out of interest everton 5th, aston villa 6th, wigan 7th, west ham 8th.
Last day table looks like this
Man utd 83
Liverpool 83
Chelsea 79
Arsenal 78
Man utd beat hull 2-0
Liverpool lead 2-0 but the Robbie keane scores two goals up until 89th minute chelsea lose, arsenal snatch 3rd yay. Tottenham wins a penalty robbie misses but reina is off line taken again n he scores which means united win..... but as long the premiership stays with arsenal,blackburn,chelsea,manchester united ill be happy
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