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Cameron condemns sympathy for "callous murderer" Raoul Moat

Richard Moss | 14:13 UK time, Wednesday, 14 July 2010

Police surrounding Raoul Moat in RothburyGenerally, I think there are few big stories that don't have some political angle to them.

Take some of the momentous stories that have hit the region over the last few months.

The West Cumbrian floods stimulated a debate about how much investment has been put in to prepare for extreme weather.

I had to get clarification on the laws about seatbelts when the school bus crashed near Keswick.

And of course the murder of 12 people by Derrick Bird reopened the debate on gun laws.

But up to now I have struggled to think of too much that was political about the Raoul Moat case.

There are investigations into the conduct of the police which might turn into public policy issues, but the Independent Police Complaints Commission will probably need to report back before any debate begins in earnest.

You can though always depend on Prime Minister's Questions for making almost any issue political.

And indeed the Raoul Moat saga did get raised in PMQs today.

David Cameron was pressed into commenting on the case by the Conservative MP for Daventry, Chris Heaton-Harris.

Flowers outside Raoul Moat's Newcastle homeHis intervention follows the placing of dozens of bouquets both outside Moat's Newcastle home and at the riverside in Rothbury where he shot himself.

But Mr Heaton-Harris was most concerned with the Facebook webpage of the "RIP Raoul Moat You Legend" group.

Now, I confess I had a look at this today, and it is a rather bizarre mix of people paying tribute to Mr Moat, and even more disturbingly some who would have liked to see him kill more police (or polis as many of them spell it).

I can't quite make my mind up how many of those posting are being "ironic" and how many are actually sincere in their support for Raoul Moat's war against the police.

The page says more than 28,000 people like it, though some people seem to have joined that list to condemn some of the comments supporting Raoul Moat, and to ask for the page to be shut down.

Raoul MoatChris Heaton-Harris wants the PM to get Facebook to take the page down.

In reply, as you'd expect, David Cameron's made it clear his sympathies rest entirely with Raoul Moat's victims.

He said the Daventry MP had raised a "very good point", and that there should be no public sympathy for the gunman.

He said: "It is absolutely clear that Raoul Moat was a callous murderer, full stop, end of story.

"I cannot understand any wave, however small, of public sympathy for this man. There should be sympathy for his victims and the havoc he wreaked in that community. There should be no sympathy for him."

Of course, though this does show the limitation of what politicians can do in this age of the web.

Even if David Cameron does contact Facebook, he has no power to force a web provider to take a page down.

And even if Facebook does block the page, there's nothing to stop anyone setting up a replacement just as quickly.

So even if this story has taken a political turn today, there doesn't seem to be much at the moment that politicians can do about it other than join the debate with the rest of us.

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Update at 4:30pm - The Prime Minister's official spokesman has said that the PM's condemnation of the Facebook page devoted to the gunman Raoul Moat will be expressed to the organisation at an official level.

Let's see what happens next!

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  • 1. At 6:06pm on 14 Jul 2010, alison wrote:

    Re David Cameron's comments about Raoul Moat, Yes, what he did was dreadful and not for one moment to be condoned. However, to dismiss anybody as 'a callous murderer,FULL STOP,END OF STORY', shows a small mindedness and lack of empathy which is regrettable in a nation's leader.
    Moat's actions were that of a very disturbed man, behind which lies a complex story. Whilst some of the stuff on Facebook is inappropriate and
    distressing for the victims' families and friends, how dare Cameron say 'there should be no sympathy for him'. That is for every individual to decide for themselves - or is this a sign of things to come?

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  • 2. At 08:56am on 15 Jul 2010, Walk the Warwick Road wrote:

    I've just been on that facebook group and the vast majority of the comments I saw were ones going against the group title. I do agree with the PMs comments, while yes he was mentally unstable and going through a tough time, it most certainly does not give him or anyone the right to shoot three people, killing one.

    My concern is with how the police handled it. When it came to light that Moat was waging a 'war' against the police it was like a full scale mobilisation of a small army. Fire arms officers from multiple forces, armoured trucks from N. Ireland, RAF Tornadoes mapping out the land with Raptor pods along with constant media updates, probably as a show of force by the police. Not to mention half a million a day going on this, which then they tried to justify by making up a lie that now he was threatening the public.

    Hmmmmm you mean like when Derrick Bird killed 12 people and injured 11? When the police claimed 'they did everything they could', while all I saw of a police response was merky side street CCTV footage of two police cars going the wrong way! See the difference in responses between the public and police?

    The feeling of the police was summed up for me by that photo of a rather angry looking policeman, with a yellow tazer, that the BBC released on the TV the night it all ended. I also agree with Rauol Moat's brother's views on it being like a 'public execution', but I still don't feel any sympathy.

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  • 3. At 11:27am on 16 Jul 2010, Richard Moss wrote:

    Thanks to both of you for some very thoughtful and interesting comments.

    I gather the person who started the Facebook page has now taken it down, but your comments show there is a wider debate to be had perhaps about the Raoul Moat case.

    Any other views?

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  • 4. At 10:07pm on 18 Jul 2010, dennisjunior1 wrote:

    Richard:

    I am on the side off Prime Minister Cameron, my thoughts and prayers are with the families and friends.....

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