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Listed below are comments made by Buzet23 between Wednesday, 4th November 2009 and Monday, 23rd November 2009.

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EU back to the future? 11:47am on 23 Nov 2009 Hi Threnodio,

You're right, but as long as Jupiler is in Walloonia there is hope as without those three we would be left with the undrinkable (or is it unthinkable), i.e. French beer!
EU back to the future? 11:43am on 23 Nov 2009 #222, Leo_Naphta,

"I am doubting your claim more and more, since there are hardly any farmers left in Belgium, so it would stand to reason that you can't know that many, and less 'Flemish farmers living in Wallonia'. There aren't that many that live across the language border to begin with."

Oh my you have been indoctrinated, either that or my eyesight has failed me and those fields that I see everywhere are a cruel illusion of an agricultural industry. I shall have a laugh later on when talking to a number of friends who, it seems from you, don't actually work on farms and whose families were not Flemish. Have you and your kind disinherited them for fleeing Flanders and daring not to return to your supposed paradise. I worked for many years in a number of company's in and around Brussels and most colleagues were Flemish so that's where a lot of my Belgium history originally comes from, but then Flanders has been manipulating the truth for years so I had to try and find some sources that were not acutely biased in order to arrive at a partial knowledge of Belgian history.

Re PPS crisis, You are no doubt referring to the potential break up of the federalist Belgium and the disputes between Flanders and the other two Regions. It has simply proved to me and given me hope that the federal EU will go the same way, as Belgium is living proof that federalism is inherently flawed. You have the right to decry the flying of flags and to claim that they were only used as a sham to shore up Belgium as a state, but the people who flew them were simply doing the unthinkable to a federalist and showing their pride in their nation!

Re towns, you mentioned three major towns that I know very well and you can add to that the communes of Brabant Walloon which as you probably know borders the home commune of Mr Van Rompuy. Please though don't do the unthinkable and migrate down to one of our 'pissy little villages' as we've more than enough 'little Bruxelloise' already and they are worse than the English for not integrating in country life.

Re 1969, I am sure you realise that 1969 was a watershed and as Wikipedia says "In 1968, the conflict between the communities burst out. The French speakers were driven out of the Catholic University of Leuven amid shouts of "Walen buiten!" ("Walloons out!").[7] This led to State reform in Belgium, which resulted in the creation of the Walloon Region and the French Community, which have considerable autonomy."
Enough said I think.
EU back to the future? 10:50am on 23 Nov 2009 #214, Leo_Naphta,

Ah hah, Leuven, now I know where you're coming from, your claim of seeing no flags makes total sense, maybe you should try living in a town that is not in perpetual competition with Louvain-La-Neuve due to the age old university split and which still lives in the past. Add to that the fact your town is in Flanders and it explains your views.

As for not meeting the 'slightly older Flemish generation' in Walloon that shows how little you understand the composition of 'pissy little villages' since a high proportion of the farmers are from Flemish origins and some still struggle with French. The people in the communes I know, which include several big towns, were pleased to fly the Belgian flag unlike maybe the students in Leuven who maybe prefer the views of Mr Van Rompuy in decrying all forms of national identity. No doubt a person like yourself would prefer us to fly the flag of Walloon instead so that you can point your fingers and bleat on about the Walloon's as usual. Maybe you should also reflect on the fact that most families have family roots across both Wallonia and Flanders, meaning obsessive Flemish criticisms are actually also equally attributable to their own failings.
EU back to the future? 11:01pm on 22 Nov 2009 #206, ignace,

That's funny, I have at least 100 channels on my cable, that is if you include the various pay channels, which is substantially less than the number available on satellite in the UK or even freesat. However, whether a channel receives state funding or not is somewhat irrelevant since if it merely repeats the PC view it is of no valid substance. As for not being patriotic that is tosh, maybe you should look at the number of Belgian flags that are displayed outside peoples homes on certain occasions and especially on the national day, no doubt Mr Van Rompuy is against that display of national pride as flags are on his hit list I understand.

The main reason the people I know here watch non Walloon channels is either the other French speaking channels for a different slant on news or better quality programs or for teletext for sports results since teletext is strangely absent from our Walloon channels. As for understanding other languages there are few Belgians I've ever met who can speak all three languages (French, Dutch and German), and mostly it's one or two of those plus maybe English, and sometimes Italian in certain areas of Walloon.
EU back to the future? 8:51pm on 22 Nov 2009 #200, Johan_Heuvel and especially #198, robbyvdw,

One thing I learnt very quickly when moving to Belgium some 19 years ago was how the media was state controlled, and many Belgians I spoke to said you had to watch French or Dutch or German channels to learn the truth of what was happening in Belgium. What happened some days ago in the Belgium media shows that is still the case as the UK was accused of insulting Belgians over the appointment of Van Rompuy and inferring that Belgians were somehow sub developed and unintelligent. As a person who has gracefully been given Belgian nationality and who was confronted with that sort of misrepresentation by a number of Belgian friends on Friday, I simply gave them the major news sources in the UK so that they could learn the truth of what was in the UK media rather than what was misreported here. As an experienced internet user I look at many different news sources from many countries and it has long been clear that the UK is regarded as a convenient whipping boy to blame for the problems that have been created by the bad management (or corruption) of the ruling cliché of the EU in order to deflect attention from the disasters of their own making.

I might add that in my nineteen years of living in Belgium the number of UK people I have associated with is less than the fingers on one hand, so the 'little Englander' phrase is Bu**s**t. Just because the EU like federalism and the UK does not does not mean the UK are populated by 'little Englanders', indeed federalists would well be advised to spend some time in multicultural London as there is a lot to be learnt by them about how the UK population actually think, but then that is not PC for the EU federalist elite who continually ignore the views of many Belgians, French I know who do not support the EU federalists and regret the increasing diminution of their national identity in the cause of the great EU federalist cause (sic. disaster).
EU back to the future? 10:05am on 22 Nov 2009 #174, moionfire,

re "Had they choosen a German or French person, people would always assume all actions are to the benefit to those two nations."

I'm afraid this decision to choose an avowed self admitted extreme federalist(albeit Belgian) just goes to prove that the lurch towards a federal EU is to the sole benefit of the Franco-German alliance who continually promote it as being the only true course. The failing of federal Belgium and the very real possibility now of a split show how fragile federalism is and it took a Van Rompuy to paper over the cracks for the last year. Now that he has gone there are few logical replacements, but I consider the decision to elevate him has more to do with his ability to paper over the cracks in federalism and give an illusion of a working state (the EU).

This choice, rather than quelling my fear, makes me even more concerned since by his appointment it shows that the EU elite wanted a fixer to try and prevent the breakdown of their beloved federalist Europe.
EU back to the future? 10:42pm on 21 Nov 2009 Hi Alice,

I'm back and watching what is being said about our PM.

To all others,

What is worrying us in Belgium is the lack of suitable consensus replacements since any country or empire that embraces federalism is inherently doomed. Monsieur Van Rompuy has miraculously managed to keep the parties from each others throats for the last year but that is merely a temporary feat, albeit very commendable. The underlying problem is that in their desire to extinguish national identity and promote everybody as being merely an European citizen the federalists have also extinguished the social Europe and made the ordinary non-politicised citizen even more nationalistic than ever before. Giving an arch federalist the prime position, even if he supposedly a 'grey' man is simply a message that the Franco-Germanic alliance is just as alive as before and that Gordon McClown is, as ever, a cozener.
Cameron shuns 'Euro bust-up' 10:32pm on 04 Nov 2009 #17, threnodio,

Maybe he visited a French dentist, lol.
Cameron shuns 'Euro bust-up' 10:30pm on 04 Nov 2009 #15 threnodio,

Or even a leader of a Socialist party, but then they never admit to their wealth or how they got it, mostly at our cost, or having been rich kids embarrassed at their fathers wealth and content to keep their riches whilst stitching the rest of us. It's good to try to maintain standards and here goes, lol.
Cameron shuns 'Euro bust-up' 10:14pm on 04 Nov 2009 Hi threnodio_II, that's a relief, I thought the BBC/nu-labour had stooped so low as to start cloning people like us, instead the re-sign on pages are more geared to the education standards inflicted on the UK population since the advent of left wing think tanks, duh.

#8 - Freeborn-John,

Well said, my fear is that Cameron is just another fence sitter, still look on the bright side of life, at least Bliar and Millbrand are unlikely to get their snouts even more in the trough and the EU elite seem to be looking more at our Belgian PM. However being more than a half decent performer most don't want him to go as the Belgian alternatives to replace him are null and he would just be a Franco/German smokescreen/puppet if in power and faced with them.

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