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Listed below are comments made by Betsan_P between Wednesday, 21st October 2009 and Wednesday, 25th November 2009.

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The Cardiff Concordat 5:22pm on 25 Nov 2009 #1 GlamorganWarrior

"Mr Hain wants a referendum so he can go out and campaign - once again - on the yes side. He just doesn't think that should or can happen any time soon ... So all options for the timing of the referendum remain open but this is about winning".

Mr Hain's made his desire to go out and win a referendum many times. He did it again today as the post makes very clear. What he hasn't done before though is say point blank that he wouldn't, as Welsh Secretary, veto a referendum. That's why it's today's headline. Can't see the double negative in it: "Hain 'no veto' pledge on powers." Now if we'd written "Hain wouldn't not veto a referendum" then you'd have a point!
The appliance of science 4:52pm on 19 Nov 2009 It didn't take the Hart camp long:

A spokesperson said:

"This survey reflects the fact that Edwina is the candidate with the most support amongst Labour AMs. And the overall result shows that the more people see her and work with her the more impressed they are by her.

"It's striking that someone with strong socialist principles has such widespread respect among the parties in the Assembly. And it indicates strong support in Wales as a whole."

By the way when AMs were asked to name the AM that most impressed them and then asked who else came to mind - the combination of first and second answers had Edwina Hart at 50% over the vote.

Now who's going to suggest the same question is put to Welsh MPs?
The Big If 1:49pm on 17 Nov 2009 #1 comoffit

Actually that'll be Northern Ireland's finest export to Wales, David Williamson!
On the buses 3:15pm on 13 Nov 2009 dontblameme

They were showing most interest in going home ..!
Following the numbers 9:59pm on 22 Oct 2009 #3

A first for me - banned from my own blog. I don't know but I'm assuming there was a problem with the format of my message (just in case you thought I'd taken to using 'inappropriate language' or upsetting the moderator in any other way.) Thanks Rebeca.
Following the numbers 6:15pm on 22 Oct 2009 #1 Dewi_H

Unfortunately not but this is what Labour HQ has released:

Aff Org Supporting Nomination

ASLEF Edwina Hart
Communication Workers Union Edwina Hart
Community (ISTC) Edwina Hart
Socialist Health Association Edwina Hart
TSSA Edwina Hart
Unite Edwina Hart
Musicians Union Carwyn Jones
NUM (South Wales) Carwyn Jones
UCATT Carwyn Jones
UNISON Cymru/ Wales Labour Link Carwyn Jones
Wales Council of the Co-operative Party Huw Lewis

MPs Supporting Nomination
Martin Caton MP Edwina Hart
Kim Howells MP Edwina Hart
Paul Murphy MP Edwina Hart
John Smith MP Edwina Hart
Don Touhig MP Edwina Hart
Nick Ainger MP Carwyn Jones
Kevin Brennan MP Carwyn Jones
Chris Bryant MP Carwyn Jones
Ann Clwyd MP Carwyn Jones
Paul Flynn MP Carwyn Jones
Hywel Francis MP Carwyn Jones
David Hanson MP Carwyn Jones
Huw Irranca-Davies MP Carwyn Jones
Ian Lucas MP Carwyn Jones
Madeleine Moon MP Carwyn Jones
Albert Owen MP Carwyn Jones
Chris Ruane MP Carwyn Jones
Mark Tami MP Carwyn Jones
Betty Williams MP Carwyn Jones
Nia Griffith MP Huw Lewis
Dai Havard MP Huw Lewis
Sian James MP Huw Lewis
Jessica Morden MP Huw Lewis

CLPs Supporting Nomination
Brecon and Radnorshire CLP Edwina Hart
Gower CLP Edwina Hart
Neath CLP Edwina Hart
Swansea East CLP Edwina Hart
Swansea West CLP Edwina Hart
Vale of Glamorgan CLP Edwina Hart
Aberavon CLP Carwyn Jones
Alyn and Deeside CLP Carwyn Jones
Bridgend CLP Carwyn Jones
Ogmore CLP Carwyn Jones
Wrexham CLP Carwyn Jones
Aberconwy CLP Huw Lewis
Clwyd West CLP Huw Lewis
Merthyr Tydfil and Rhymney CLP Huw Lewis
Torfaen CLP Huw Lewis
Googlies and sticky wickets 5:30pm on 22 Oct 2009 Just caught up with this thread. Hold your FOIs!

Just go the Bevan Foundation website and you'll get all the details of the event there: http://www.bevanfoundation.org/3.html
The title of the session was 'Politicians of Tomorrow Challenge Politicians Today', part of a wider event for young people from South East Wales called 'Celebrating Democracy' designed to fire their interest in politics and the world around them.
Platforms and panels 5:16pm on 22 Oct 2009 #2 mapex 55

You say that "The network BBC has its finger on the button, and has chosen to do the right thing, the Welsh branch are a knot of moral cowards with an indecent approach to both Griffin, and the listening, and viewing public who just happen to pay their wages, not for them to censor, but to provide, according to the BBC Charter".

How come, when both are applying exactly the same policy?
Oops. 11:31am on 22 Oct 2009 #20 thegnatswatter

It goes to Huw Lewis, as you no doubt already knew. I'd certainly counted her in the 6 MPs supporting Huw in my post last week but she's only "come out" today. Her reasoning? "I've listened carefully to the debate and I have listened to what my local party members are saying - it is clear to me that Huw Lewis is the best candidate to return Labour to winning ways, right across Wales.

“Huw has the drive, the intelligence and crucially the ideas to lead Welsh Labour in a new direction that chimes with what voters are looking for. I've made my mind up based on what I've seen and heard from the campaign, Huw is the one setting the agenda and reaching out to people."

It'd be interesting to know who her second choice would be.
Oops. 10:35pm on 21 Oct 2009 #1 Dewi_H

Have you read this on Wales Home tonight Dewi? http://waleshome.org/2009/10/super-wednesday-its-edwinas-night

It takes a look at who the Constituency Labour Parties have been supporting. Support in Neath was overwhelming - 21 for Edwina Hart, 8 for Carwyn Jones, 1 for Huw Lewis. B+R was "clear for Edwina". Vale of Glam, I'm told, was 64% for her. It means she gets the supporting nomination of course, not the votes. How members choose to vote remains up to them.

Two things then I'm thinking about now: we can concentrate all we want on supporting nominations, be they a shed-load of MPs of CLPs or unions but in the end, it's who people actually vote for that matters. After tomorrow's deadline for supporting nominations - all done out there in the public gaze, who actually ends up voting for which candidate will not be made public.

The other? You call it 'the maths'. I call it 'the numbers.' I'll steer clear of Deep Throat's advice to 'follow the numbers' but I agree with you - ignoring the numbers (and that includes who's coming second when they're not winning) in this particular game would be daft.

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