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What are we fighting for? 7:06pm on 03 Apr 2009 #24 deanthetory good post

But I think the actual reason for the rape law is lost on this thread...

Karzai is using this to placate a strategic swing minority voting bloc (Shia Muslim voters) one of there key demands for whatever reason is to have this built into law. Dirty politics at its best.

Truthbetold the ordinary Afghan is hardly concerned about raping his wife(s) have you seen their birth rate ??

They have much bigger problems like trying to survive and retain a semblance of dignity.
What are we fighting for? 4:18pm on 03 Apr 2009 Freeman... History shows the Brits were very deliberate with every border drawn they knew full well that conflicts are in their interest - look at the Asia, the Middle East, even Europe they carved out the borders in a way that could feed conflict, Divide and conquer at its finest.

Also note that your comment about moderate Islam is not fair - There are dozens of different beliefs stemming from Islam, same as Christianity. Some have apocalyptic and disturbing visions while others have very humble and sincere hope for the world.

We don't live in a world of black and white - If we start believing we do Fascism is the next step.
What are we fighting for? 3:39pm on 03 Apr 2009 NATO is not the altruistic defender of human rights all you Islamophobes claim it to be. The truth is the organization is destabilising the region further with no intention of bringing peace or reconcilliation to the area possibly for the same fears our paranoid Menedemus seems to have...

Sikander00 excellent post but it will ultimately fall on deaf ears the fact remains that Afghanistan and Pakistan have so much foreign interference and domestic corruption they are on a collision course with the west. The media is sounding the war drums and the destruction of Pakistan is near.

Menedemus and those that are actively searching for religious war are probably not aware of the exact consequences of such an endeavour. Islam is nothing to be feared or repulsed by its just a religion which no one can claim to properly follow (same can be said of Christianity...). The real problem is the interference of the Indian and American governments in the region.

Our media is so eager to look back a maximum of 5 years when reporting anything lets take a stroll a bit further back in regards to this region:

approx 1988 soviet union collapses ending Afghan war. U.S promptly cuts and runs leaving the Afghans to fight a bloody civil war (I have heard up to 16 MILLION Afghans died from 1988 - 1996 vs 10 Million killed against the Russians). U.S was severly preocuupied with the influx of soviet era nuclear talent flooding the world (which ultimately led to alot more nuclear countries than previously).

Now its 1992 Nawaz Sharif is in power and the pakistan intelligence Agency ISI decides a STABLE afghanistan friendly to Pakistan would be a fantastic way to counter growing Indian influence in the region. Also they have interests in creating an ECONOMIC network from central Asia through Afghanistan into Balochistan port (Thousands of laborers were working on super highways to connect the countries). They had a summit with Central Asian countries (mostly Muslim former soviet republics) to that effect one of the preconditions to moving forward was security of the route.

By 1996 the Taliban (funded and trained by PK) gain control of Afghanistan and amazingly they manage to garner PEACE in the country for the first time in a long time. The Indians and Americans are none too happy about an Islamic bridge between Central Asia (resource rich), China, and Pakistan. This is where the Islamophobic fear of the "new caliphate" emerges. Note that during the Talibans reign drug production was almost eradicated another problem for western economies that rely on drugs to subdue their average peasants.

The Taliban also allow Al Qaeda to base their operations there for a fee - they undoubtedly underestimated their capabilities or may have been complicit in 9/11 we may never know for sure. The Saudis (extremely close to the U.S themselves) definitely had a hand in that attack.

After 9/11 Americans have international agreement to destroy the Taliban government thus destabilising the region with the full knowledge that these same elements would be driven back to PK and likely cause tremendous turmoil there as is happening now.

The greed and corruption of the Pakistani Govt has compounded the situation further leading to a vacuum in Afghanistan which the Indian Govt gladly filled (there consulate in Afghanistan is HUGE). ISI is now left with the Taliban as their only weapon against India and American imperialism in the region and they are resorting to unsavoury tactics destabilising PK as well in a vicious circle.

Its not suprising to hear a constant drumbeat of PK being a failed state as their demise has already been construed by foreign agents so established in the country it would be impossible to turn back now.

Before you sound off on the latest ignorant law from the Muslim world try to see the context of the story which is really propaganda to justify more death in destruction in the world.

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