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Listed below are comments made by LesMajestey between Sunday, 14th December 2008 and Tuesday, 16th December 2008.

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Will Obama get tough with Israel? 6:17pm on 16 Dec 2008 Removal of the settlements is the key to peace in Palestine. The European Union, and Britain, have a legal boycott on goods from Israeli factories in the Occupied Territories.

However, the manufacturers cheat Britain on this. The following page from Ha'retz has a lot of interesting information:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1047154.html
Will Obama get tough with Israel? 5:08pm on 16 Dec 2008 This speaks exactly to Mr Lustig's topic:

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1216/p09s01-coop.html
Tiring of the Blagojevich saga 03:20am on 16 Dec 2008 Young Friends:

There was was a White House Chief of Staff who was quickly fired for accepting a vicunya rug as a gift.

The Secretary of Health said a fiasco was due to her Surgeon General- she was gone in a day.

That President's speech was usually purple- but not on air.
Will Obama get tough with Israel? 6:08pm on 15 Dec 2008 There is a word more common in Spanish than in English: "shameless".

That means the person feels no guilt about the tactics he employs. "Legalism" often exhibits this sort of behaviour.

Civilised folk on this thread use facts and logic.

The shameless seek to use ad hominemism, insult and intimidation to suppress facts and logic.

Note the letter from the editors of "The Other Israel" calling for the involvement of world public opinion.

May the BBC aid that and not succumb to intimidation!
Connections and patronage 01:31am on 15 Dec 2008 # 163

Sounds authoritative.

For those who cling to ethnic prejudice, consider this:

Syrians, Ashkenazim Jews and Palestinians all share the same blood grouping, differing from everybody else.
Will Obama get tough with Israel? 01:03am on 15 Dec 2008 In contrast to some of the absurd assertions earlier in this thread, here is a story from a real expert, and one who was there, 60 years ago:

http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/1210454063/

1948
. I categorize it as an "ethnic war".
...It must be understood that at no stage did the Arabs "flee the country".

In general, things happened this way: in the course of the fighting, an Arab village came under heavy fire. Its inhabitants - men, women and children - fled, of course, to the next village.

Then we fired on the next village, and they fled to the next one, and so forth, until the armistice came into force and suddenly there was a border (the Green Line) between them and their homes.

The Deir Yassin massacre gave another powerful push to the flight.

When was the start of the "ethnic cleansing" you spoke about?
In the second half of the war, after the advance of the Arab armies was halted, a deliberate policy of expelling the Arabs became a war aim on its own.

...The real decision was taken after the war: not to allow the 750 thousand Arab refugees to return to their homes.

The military censors did not allow me to dwell on the negative sides, so immediately after the war I wrote a second book called "The Other Side of the Coin", disguised as a literary work, so I did not have to submit it to censorship. There I reported, inter alia, that we had received orders to kill every Arab who tried to return home.

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Will Obama get tough with Israel? 11:33pm on 14 Dec 2008 The Other Israel
Newsletter of the Israeli Struggle for Israeli-Palestinian Peace

Holon, December 14, 2008

Dear Mr. Lustig:

There is a variety of peace and human rights groups in Israel, together forming the network of the Israeli peace movement.

With all their ideological differences (as there can exist between left-Zionists, non-Zionists, anti-Zionists, Socialists, Anarchists, Liberals), what they have in common is that they are all seeking peace through finding the common ground, wanting to bring the occupation to an end, and achieving equality and justice for all in this region..

We welcome contacts from those who wish to know the truth – and let it be known - and share our struggle. We think we have a task to fulfill, to report what we witness, and to make our protest be known. In this way we hope to encourage others to stop looking the other way and involve themselves more - and thus protect Israelis and Palestinians from themselves. Without serious involvement of world public opinion the forces from within alone may not be able to end the lethal Israeli-Palestinian embrace in time.

So, please subscribe to our email list and feel free to contact us for views.

yours

Adam Keller
Beate Zilversmidt

Editors The Other Israel newsletter

otherisr@actcom.co.il
Will Obama get tough with Israel? 11:31pm on 14 Dec 2008 It would be good to have press contact information for leading BBC personnel.
The durable American brand 8:13pm on 14 Dec 2008 # 85

Unless one is of immigrant parentage, the ability to speak a foreign language is very improbable in the USA (Latinos excepted!).

Some attention needs to be paid to the "political discourse". These are the unexpressed, but assumed, premises of the ideology.

Part of the trick of those who would dominate is to try and make everyone think that these "premises" are culturally and religiously ordained.

Guess which class they will favor?
Can feudalism be better than democracy? 2:47pm on 14 Dec 2008 # 3 More mercifully expressed:

a) Economic development is necessary to move from Survival values to "Self-Expressive" values.

b) Effective democracy requires self-expressive values.

c) Tolerence of disliked views is a good indicator of effective democracy.

Perhaps 30% of mankind would prefer a benevolent dictator to democracy.

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