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An end to "victimhood"? 02:05am on 08 Nov 2008 Oh let me remind you, MigicKirin get all his information from the Fox News, the most balanced news network in US.

"Fox News is a leading news source" - MigicKirin
An end to "victimhood"? 01:58am on 08 Nov 2008 There are two types of conservatives that I see. Intellectual and intellectually incurious.
Sarah belongs to the latter and Kathleen Parker belongs to the former, just to give some example. Within the intellectual lot there are the honest intellectual conservative (again Parker, let me add David Brook here too for famous quote "Sarah=fatal cancer to the republican party") and dishonest ones who were self-deluding themselves that blatant anti-intellectualism demonstrated by Sarah will win them the election (Leslie Sanchez of CNN for example... maybe).
Then there are an intellectually incurious lot who just spews out incoherent, illogical republican talking points (election is over so there is no need for that now. so spare us). Sarah was obviously the best example. MigicKirin is another one of those.
An end to "victimhood"? 6:03pm on 07 Nov 2008 robloop

It does not convince me that your comments are not related to emotions that you might be going through in the aftermath of McC/Palin defeat. Bitterness is an observation based on your comments and no words are put into your mouth. You said them, and you project an image of bitterness. Tolerance? Nothing I said reflect intolerance, but it just reflects disagreement. Your arguments are based on raw angry emotion and that's why they not persuasive. eg "Now go and play fiddlesticks." is an angry response.

Facts. Black "victimization". I lived in Old Kent Road, east London, close to Elephant and Castle in a Council House, went to William Penn Secondary School in East Dulwich. One of the poorest areas of Britain and worst performing school in the country (the school was closed down and reopened, only accepting kids from the rich most white local neighborhood of East Dulwich). My family and I lived next door to a lot of the black folks. And I went to school with them (William Penn School was over 50% black). Here I think I need to reveal a bit of my own identity. I am not black as the name suggests. I am South Korean and so "black victimization" stuff doesn't apply to me. My ancestors weren't enslaved by whites (My country was briefly annexed by the Japanese but I personally hold no grudges against them.) My view comes from seeing with my own eyes what was happening around me.
What I know as a kid going to schools with those black kids is that those kids didn't play "victims card" and point finger of blame on racism. They WERE the victims. They didn't get a good education. They were poor. Not many doors were open to them. Most didn't get very far. These are facts; the kids were dealt a very bad set of cards.
Fact. Supposedly all knowing white middle class man telling black folks that they are lazy and telling them to stop playing victim card is patronizing. The truth is on average, white folks have it easier.
Obama victory? Utterly remarkable. Although he didn't have the same kind of difficulties as the kids I grew up with, he faced more challenges than white by virtue of being black. It gives hope to all the black and other non-white kids that all things are indeed possible in America.
An end to "victimhood"? 5:02pm on 07 Nov 2008 Bitter and angry "old" conservatives, the likes of neil_a2 and robloop.

After two centuries of black victimization, and then calling out to stop playing "victims card", now who's crying "victimhood" which to my knowledge couldn't have happened as Obama is not the president until Jan 20th 09?

Why so angry and bitter? (mind you, McC's angry and bitter image did not serve him all that well in the debates. And likewise, your arguments not all that persuasive).

Just like McC just didn't get it, neil_a2 and robloop who are so entrenched in old failed ideology just don't get it. Times are changing, I would like to tell those old timers. The change is in the air. That's why Obama won. The jury has reached the verdict. Step aside old timers. You are being swept away.
An end to "victimhood"? 3:20pm on 07 Nov 2008 #116 robloop

Hi there. hmm.. I keep noticing your posts everywhere I go. And having read them, I can not help but think, "this guy is really bitter about Obama winning or having won the election". Why such bitterness? Couldn't you be gracious and comment on the positives and merits of Obama's achievement? Mind you this blog is about "the racial significance of the Obama victory" (I want to emphasize the word "victory").
Instead, here you are complaining about "black racism".
Black people in the States have endured almost two centuries of repression and injustice. You? I couldn't comment on all your experiences with black people. Some could be bad but not all I am sure. But your ancestors weren't enslaved and when supposedly free, were treated like second class citizens.
Your complaints about "reverse racism" in the face of Obama's historic victory makes you look very petty.
An end to "victimhood"? 01:26am on 07 Nov 2008 David Cunard

The Onion publishes jokes and their entire stories are made up. I read the paper version when I am in the crapper.
Stretching America 11:32pm on 06 Nov 2008 Robloop Ref #395

It seems to me that your grievances are to do with perceived lies and deceitful acts Obama is supposed to have committed. Without going into merits of such claims, those are not good enough reason to defend Palin's well-documented lies and deception (now infamous bridge to nowhere, Troopgate scandal etc etc.) In fact there is no logic to it at all, which I am sure you realize, too. The issue is, has Palin been overly, unfairly criticized and yet Obama has not got the same level of scrutiny? The answer? No, I don't think so. He has been, ad nauseam by the likes of you who brought up those subject over and over again. Bill Ayer, Rev Wright plus of course the late desperate attempt, Khalidi, to name a few. Verdict? Obama is deemed fit to be POTUS. Palin? Back to Alaska to her caribous. That was the verdict of the jury, the citizens of United States of America. There has been no cover up, no attempt to hide Obama's past and/or his past association. Palin got the kind of scrutiny that befits one running for the second highest office. The truth is McC should have done a better vetting. In the end, a proper vet was carried out by the media themselves. Justice was served.
Then again, you call the entire 52 percent of electorate and the media delusional and so according to you the "verdict" does not matter. How delusional.
An end to "victimhood"? 10:40pm on 06 Nov 2008 Ref #1 duhbuh

You DO know that The Onion is a spoof news article organization, right? ie, they write jokes loosely based on real news.
Stretching America 6:30pm on 05 Nov 2008 216. At 4:32pm on 05 Nov 2008, robloop wrote:
Stephen, seeing that it is almost impossible to penetrate your dense cranial fog, I should once again make it clear that I am not American, don't watch Fox News, don't subscribe to conservative blogs, don't vote Republican, don't belong to your electoral minority, but through various circumstances know your country very well - and recognize a over-emotional and mindless twit when I read his words. So don't waste your time hurling pathetic insults. I take it from whence it comes and it's like water off a duck's back.
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eh ham.. robloop
As an observer. Let me tell you that you are defending the indefensible. Criticisms directed at Palin are justified. It seems you are the one who are insulting and in possession of dense cranial fog. You are claiming you don't watch Fox or subscribe to conservative blog... seems to me to be quite disturbing that you come to your views from your own kind of "logic"? That's very disturbing. I would be more understanding if you are indeed a avid subscriber of Fox and neocon blog. The fact that you have come to hold Palin in higher regard than Obama? Am I reading right? If so, you are on disturbed mind, far removed from the main stream thinking that flatly rejected Palin. Evidence: landslide win for Obama. You may think that you and you only are able to see some kind of truth and on one else. Let me tell you something obvious. When that many people act and vote in that way, you have wonder why. All that many people can't be all delusional.
Stretching America 3:26pm on 05 Nov 2008 At the end of the victory speech, I saw a guy holding up a message saying, "Why wait, evict Bush now!"
And I said, "true, true" and laughed out loud.

As for Sarah, one is absolutely right to say that grizzly should do the justice once she goes back to Alaska. Wolves and Polar bear should help out grizzlies.

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