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Listed below are comments made by Rimshot-Tama between Saturday, 20th September 2008 and Sunday, 5th October 2008.

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YouTube, Cat Stevens and me 10:13am on 05 Oct 2008
I heard about this organisation, The Featured Artist Coalition on the radio the other day. Here is a brief snippet from their web site when you click on the our campaign tab.

our campaign

A Manifesto for Fair Play

Why change is needed

Featured Artists, those credited on recordings and who are the primary named performers, are responsible for the majority of income in the music industry. Their interests need to be properly represented.

Now if you were to click on the contact us tab, you will see that the snail mail address is listed as 26 Berners Street in London . This is the address for The Performing Right Society, an organisation that has existed before many of us reading and entering into this debate were born!.

I say, is it not about time that "we" the "users" of all these people's works, the "we" that at the end of it all, provide these artists with a generous way of living, should "we" and our views not be represented in any discussions taking place?. Afterall, if it is not the product buyer/ fans, who else will provide a platform for these people to display and sell their wares?.
I guess not, our views do not count in the matter. We will just be "told", you cannot, because that's the law!.
YouTube, Cat Stevens and me 09:36am on 05 Oct 2008 43. At 8:18pm on 02 Oct 2008, Parsim wrote:
Has anyone actually been put off BUYING a particular music album or track because they heard it broadcast on youtube?....... Actually I nearly was and if it was not for the fact that I knew I had heard the particular track before somewhere, yes, I would have been put off if I was looking for the track by that artist.
I personally think some of the videos uploaded on you tube are fan manufactured and the sound and picture quality is disgusting. These do no good for the artist, composers and authors of the work in question, particularly in a competitive business As an artist of any calibre, I would not like to see my music displayed in such a manner but then, this whole debate has been about about restricting people from putting originals on youtube. :-)
YouTube, Cat Stevens and me 2:20pm on 30 Sep 2008 Vyle Hernia..."Copyright should certainly not extend beyond the 100th birthday of the composer or performer(s) where no profit is made by copying"....now we seem to be getting into a different way of thinking here with this. Thinking number one is, it is my song, so regardless of profit, if you use it in any way, you owe me money (which is the current thinking). Thinking number two is after my 100th Birthday, you can use it providing you gain no profit. I do not think the business is going to go for the latter of the two afterall why should they when they have everything working for them with the first option and they don't need to change (or think outside the box). Also they stand to lose a lot of income from implementing the second option which they don't need to anyway. Good idea though but I cannot see it happening. :-)
YouTube, Cat Stevens and me 2:27pm on 24 Sep 2008 mittfh...you are correct that "birthday" ditty is very much till in Copyright so I guess we should all be locked up everytime we sing it! lol. As for how much they charge for it's usage, well, that's here nor there but whatever it is, they do have the right by law, a law passed not so much implemented with a view to making a "profit" but "protecting" the "rights" of the composers. Somehow, we all seem to be getting bombarded and side tracked about loss of revenue etc through tactless greed. :-)
YouTube, Cat Stevens and me 10:26pm on 21 Sep 2008 " At 12:07pm on 20 Sep 2008, Censura" Censura this is what you get when people who know nothing about copyright throw their weight around. The English cricket board is wrong. They do not own the copyright to something they did not make. If they were to licence a production of the match and then someone recorded it and then put that on you tube, that is infringement. They are trying to make it look like a pop concert where clearly the music being performed is copyrighted well in advance to the performance so even if you were to recorded it yourself, there is the infringement of copyright. Do you know (do we know) that in order to accuse someone of copyright infringement, you have to have previously registered, proved, that the work was yours in the first place before you can accuse someone of stealing it as an infringement?. That being the case, you cannot copyright a cricket match in advance the way you can a song. This is a fact.

simonbanyard... you are wrong here, a lot of money is made from recordings that is what the advance payments to the recording artist from the record company are. These advance payments are not pennies, they go into hundreds and thousands of pounds and the artist agrees to record a certain amount of product for this advance sum.
Also there is a difference in "making" a copy for oneself, "making" a copy to gain profit from somebody elses' copyright and then lending someone a cd. There is a copyright law which says, thou shalt not "copy" (regardless of if that copy is for yourself, your friend or anyone else for that matter). However, there is no such law in this country (UK) which says I cannot lend you my cd's. What "you" do with them afterwards is your problem in that if you copy them, you are breaking the law, not I. I have done nothing wrong in lending you my cd's, nor do I see that I have done anything wrong as far as the law of Copyright goes. Of course they would all like to change this understanding but as far as I know the law relates to the copying of and not lending of.
There are many other aspects above we are all touching on, some correct and true whilst others inaccurate. This is exactly what the business wants us to become, chickens running around headless. There is a great book written by R.F.Whale called Copyright. It is simple, not too heavy yet explains the theory behind Copyright for the simple man. Hopefully it is still in print (revised no doubt).
YouTube, Cat Stevens and me 05:54am on 20 Sep 2008 MusicMan80 you are of course correct. Buying a track does not give you the right to broadcast someone else's music without their permission (or their representatives permission). So if we were to contact these people with a simple request to allow music usage in lets say, a home video of a child kicking a ball, do you think these people have the time and resources to answer each and every single request?. The answer is NO, therefore what is missing is a clear proceedure for people to utilise, one that has been documented and outlined read and agreed by the owners and also the users. Perhaps the way to go here is to have a single internet licencing system which is beneficial to not only the owner but also the users. It has to be fair.
mad_caesar.... there are organisations that do keep a lookout for usage of their members works. Al Mr Stevens has to do is contact them. I am thinking here of PAMRA.

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