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Ticket queues 4:54pm on 01 Aug 2008 Some overseas Chinese bloggers here are ridiculously absurd. Someone just relentlessly loves to be a pet of the west. HEHEHE...
Limited access 5:37pm on 30 Jul 2008 This is a popular article written by a Chinese scholar.

What do you want from us?

When we were called "sick man of Asia”, we were called peril.
When we billed to be the next superpower, we're called the threat

When we closed our doors, you smuggled drugs to open markets.
when we embrace free trade, you blame us for taking away your jobs.

when we're falling apart, you marched in your troops and wanted your fair share.
when we're putting the broken pieces together, “Free Tibet” you screamed! “it was invasion.”

So we tried communism, you hated us for being communist.
So we embraced capitalism, you hate us for being capitalist,

Then we have a billion people, you said we're destroying the planet.
Then we limit our numbers, you said it was human rights abuses.

When we were poor, you think we're dogs,
When we loan you cash, you blamed us for your debts.

When we build our industries, you called us polluters.
When we sell you goods, you blamed us for global warming,
When we buy oil, you called that exploitation and genocide.

When we were lost in chaos and rampage, you wanted rule s of laws for us.
When we uphold law and order against violence, you called that violation of human rights.

When we were silent, you said you want us to have free speech.
When we were silent no more, you say we were brainwashed.

Why do you hate us so much? We asked. “No”. You answered, “we don't hate you”.
We don't hate you either Bud, do you understand us?? “of course we do”, you said, “We have CNN, BBC, and CBC”.

But why, we still feel, your western people are not happy with us.

What do you really want from us??

My friend, What do you really want from us??
Ticket queues 2:43pm on 30 Jul 2008
Hypocrisynone,

I've read some of your comments made in several other times, especially those direclty pointing to democracy101. I have to say, they were very well articulated! Maybe so much so that they have simply been shied away by Mr101.

I admire your optimism, and the way you put forward your arguments.

Did you have a look at my comments before? tell me what you think if you can. It's always good to have someone smart to take on the role of criticizing.
Ticket queues 4:10pm on 29 Jul 2008 To democracy101,

To be honest, do you sometimes feel like you are a white man trapped in an Asian man's body? I have to say, it's very interesting to see you wholeheartedly embracing Anglo-Saxon superiority. :)

But have a look at this website: http://modelminority.com/
National sentiment 3:46pm on 29 Jul 2008 To democracy101,

Thanks for your 'praise'. hahaha... but i think it's a little bit too much.

I read your comments posted on other occasions. So sort of get where you're coming from, your overall thinking ground, if you like.

You seem to be very enthusiastic about what the west, especially Anglo-Saxon nations has done to the world and what they have to offer the world.

But I wonder how subtle and delicate racial discrimination against Asian Americans works in the States.

check out this webste if you like http://modelminority.com/
National sentiment 5:30pm on 24 Jul 2008
In addition, this is purely your misinterpretation that I was saying that the Chinese people have nothing to be proud of. I never said that and I never thought about that. (if you like, you can go back and check my comment again.) To be proud of one's own country is purely personal matter. Some people are, some people not. I have nothing to say about it. The thing is I have to say is, today, after 30yrs of reform, many Chinese especially its young generation have become too proud and intoxicated in the myth that China is destined to be the next superpower in this century. This is the myth that is delicately puffed up by the western elites (pefect examples could be putting 'China Miracle' story on the cover of the mainstream magazines.) Sadly, that myth is echoed among many Chinese elites and consequently would mislead them towards inadequate judgement of the reality. All I want to see is some smart people can stand out and pour cold water on these 'heated heads' . Professor Lang Xianping is certainly among the few who dare to criticize the mainstream.

Londonlurker, to be honest, you don't have to find pride in the nation's achievement, (be in the past or the present )to be a proud Chinese studying or working in London. There are many other minority people living in London who are very proud despite the fact they are from Africa or India, or somewhere else. It is the same in here Australia. Ultimately, you are proud because of you,not only of your country. You are proud because of your achievement, your ability, an your contribution to your community and so forth.
National sentiment 4:47pm on 24 Jul 2008 Firstly, to Objection2it, pls read my words carefully! I did not ever say China is 'to be like Japan and S Korea". I was saying 'China should LEARN from Japan and S Korea'. Having said that, I am not just saying China should learn from Japan and S Korea about how to build strong corporation. But also, more importantly, the Chinese should learn from the Japanese and the Korean in terms of team spirit and discipline. (at this point, I bet Baysidetina should understand me and agree with me, as I can feel from the comment he/she is sort of on the same page with me.) True, Japan and S Korea is strategiclly inferior to U.S. and more often seek for help from U.S. However, essentially, it is not in their will. This is very complex issue. I may leave it here. Again, all I was saying is 'Learning team spirit and discipline from the Northeastern neighbour", which will only do good.

To Baysidetina, I am too a self-claimed independent thinker. And I couldn't even respect your position much more! My experience overseas is quite similar to yours too. But read my NO.166 Comment again, and especially check out that website : www.dajun.com.cn. and http://www.dajun.com.cn/wenji0710.htm
I admit that I am sort of pessimistic about some things happening in China at the moment. From 2008 to 2012 it's gonna be very crucial period for China's development. If she couldn't make it, the 30yrs of reform would simply be a flash in pan!

To Londonlurker, I totally understand your anger. But, again, I gotta point out that I was not trying to 'protect the images of China by criticizing fellow countrymen', and I was not trying to 'attack' you. First of all, it is funny you said that. I never thought about 'protecting China's image'. It never went across my mind. I believe a country or nation's image is not something one individual can simply go and protect or damage. Sociologically speaking, the image of a nation is built up by the actions of its very own people and reflected upon others' mind. in this very complex process, all sorts of distortions (typically stereotyping) are possible. Secondly, I was criticizing you, not attacking you, let alone my 'own people'. There is crystal clear definition between ' you' and 'my own people'. I think you made the same mistake as Fairreport did as he/she was making comments as if s/he was on behalf of all the Chinese people of 1.3 billion. I aggree with wangyiwei, by the way. Pls do not get too offended by such a normality in a discussion board.

By reducing western value to Christianity, and reducing Christianity to 'one GOD, one truth', you reduce your possibility of obtaining adequate understanding of western civilization. At the same time, I don't see you know much about Chinese civilization either. Don't GET ME WRONG! I'm not saying I am the person who knows all. But one thing I am pretty sure, the civilizations of the west and the east are not that simple!

Your rhetorical questions such as : why do other non-western societies have to accept western values and why can they have their own? I have to say, are so absurd. Nobody is saying non-western societies have to accept western values, and they are not allowed to have their own value system. In fact, it is natural thing that every single society must have their own value systems. It is something inherent! Non-western societies can certainly reject to accept western values. But it's not that simply. 'German cars, french and Italian fashion, American pop culture' metioned by wayjayth and me are the analogy, the symbols that embody the modern western values. They are the part of 'soft power', if you like. All I was saying is that China still has a long way to go before she could enjoy that kind of soft power, considering she is still struggling with buidling her hard power.

And on your argument, saying that the west's always trying to destroy other cultures or things like that. It's just too simplistic! The same logic behind this argument can be used by the west to criticize China, such as on the issue of Tibet. of Han Chinese treating minority groups in China. Chinese attitude towards African people (if you could forget about CCP propaganda, you would undstand)
PLS read my no.166 comment if you have patience, it's natural action taken by any superior power to try to maintain its position by surpressing the inferiors, consciously or subconsciouly. The west is just doing that. To turn the table, China has to have comprehensive strength (soft and hard power) that is matchable to the west. One has to admit, Japan's doing very well in terms of building its soft power based on its strong hard power. They are successfully selling their culture to the west. There are many examples, such as Japanese cartoon and expensive cuisine (in the west, people mainly take japanese cuisine as a proper and high-end dinner, the chinese as a lunch box)
Anyway, again, suggest you to check out this website www. dajun.com.cn and http://www.dajun.com.cn/wenji0710.htm
National sentiment 1:14pm on 23 Jul 2008
To Londonlurker and my chinese compatriots like you:
In addition, Your misunderstanding of wayjarth's point is just embarrassing! The west has 'value' and 'quality' to offer.that's why people including chinese proud of owning German cars, italian or french fashion goods. They like to watch American movies and go overseas study and work. No matter you like it or not, you gotta accept the reality that China has no real value and quality to offer to the world at this point of time. China's making progress. but still a long way to go. Japan and Korea are doing well. China should really learn from them. Just ask youself, can you name any chinese corporation that is not state-owned is equivalent to Japan's Toyato or Sony, and Korea's Samsung and LG? You have nothing to be proud of!
National sentiment 12:57pm on 23 Jul 2008 To LONDONLURKER,

You're the one who is obviously excessively patriotic and nationalistic!

My message to you, and young chinese nationals like you is: 'made in China' is really NOTHING to be proud of!! It is just silly. The reality is that the west's been successfully utilizing China as a factory to produce their design, their ideas, and the west get the most out it. China ends up hugely polluting itself, exploiting its cheap labor and so on. It's so sad for you to be that arrogant to an ordinary westerner's comment. You are among many others in China and overseas just too easily offended by other people. Remember, the more easily you get offended, that means the weaker you really are!
National sentiment 5:38pm on 22 Jul 2008 As a Chinese national living in Australia, who does not believe in communism, is also not a follower of any anti-CCP groups (I believe they are just bunch of junkies). I find myself pretty much agree with 'wayjayth''s argument. He or she certainly has a better understanding than most of the above Chinese commentators of the world we're living in. In order to aviod wild generalization, I don't want to use the phrase 'we Chinese' in my comment as most my compatriots do. I believe my opinion stands for me. So, don't get me wrong. I simply would like to invite my deer compatriots here, if they still have at least patience to listen to another point of view. Let's face it, it's true that the West is 'the' dominating power in the world. It has been taking on this role for at least 300 yrs. As a result, the Westerner has all the reasons to be proud, and unconsiously patronizing and condescending towards the rest of the world. Generally speaking, in most western minds, everything non-western is exotic at best, and irrational and weak at worst. For this reason, they will critisize you for whatever reason if they feel like it, be it human rights (even though they never really cared about it up until mid-last century), be it environment, and list goes on...
They will constantly try to exploit or take advantage of you because they always need it. Why? they need to maintain their best living standard. (BBC just had a news on Cannadians being so hesitant to give up their SUV lifestyle) So be it! You don't like it, you gotta build up your own strength so you can earn respect. Japanese and Koreans have been doing it really well. China, ummmmm, not so well. My deer compatriots, we have to admit that, up to this point, at the begining of this so-called 'China's century', after 59years of People's republic, and after 30 years of reform, the only things the Chinese can really feel proud of are : our nukes and our space program. Nothing else, really. Our victory in sport is nothing but the outcome of Soviet style state sponsorship. The Chinese are not becoming faster, stronger and fitter overall from these victories. It is just part of national pride that the party needs the people to have. It is reasonable, but nonetheless, a sad story. Recently, a large number of factories and businesses in Chinese eastern regions that have made 'made-in-China-Miracle' possible, have been forced to be shut down and go bankruptcy. China's finanical system has been more vulnerable than ever. Other aspects of the Chinese society are also in more or less some kind of trouble or crisis, if you like.

Don't get me wrong! I do not intend to advocate that China is gonna collapse or something of that kind. I certainly don't like to see that. Nothing good for me comes from that. However, I believe these angry and patriotic Chinese who study and live overseas need to be more aware of the reality, and to face the reality, so we may still have chance to change the reality into a new and more favorable one. My suggestion is, save your arrogance to the west for the future when China is truly stong and respectable!

If anyone's interested in, check this website www.dajun.com.cn It's in Chinese though. All the Chinese elite scholars who have different views from the government and the party, but serving in the government and party, post their views on that website.

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