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The spectre of the paedophile 3:35pm on 29 Jun 2008 iaccuse

Your story does not surprise me. Indeed the CPS held off on the majority of ore prosecutions intentionally until May 1, 2004 for the SOA 2003 to come into effect. They then convinced the Crown Courts to apply the laws retrospectively. (So that in many cases people went overnight from having a few pics of "totty in the tabloid" to "possessing indecent images of child abuse")

I like you am 2000% for child protection. But the SOR is nothing to do with child protection. It is meant to be an adminitrative tool to manage individuals who are a sexual risk to adults and children. Instead, it has been turned into a catch all label for anyone happened to be on the wrong side of a click of a computer mouse, relieved themselves in an alley on the way home from the pub, got into a fist fight with a seventeen year old, rapists and murders. As all are lumped together, the public assume everyone on the SOR falls into the last two crimes.

Be careful iaccuse- after all if you attempt to assist a lost child, stop a child drowning, give first aid at a traffic accident, etc. you will be arrested. Isn't that great for child protection?

Oh, and I like you, blame the zealotry of Blunkett- but also Blair for getting his mates names D listed and therefore never investigated like mere mortals.
About Mark Easton 11:11pm on 28 Jun 2008 I am from a variety of "ethnic", "regional" backgrounds.

I am an American living in the UK (for 23 years) I am very proud of who I am.

As an American, I can say I have parents and grandparents who can tell me about and I spent loads of time with immediate relatives who are:
British
Irish
Swedish
German
Mongolian
South African
Yugoslavian
French
Italian
Ukrainian
Polish
and many more

Example- and I rarely give personal ones: I can remember my childhood in the USA. It wasn't perfect. But until I was 14, this is how I spent my life:

Friday night, drive to my grandparents home. Saturday morning we would go to "the jewish side of the family"- there would be at least 60 of us for dinner. I was taught yiddish, the prayers of catholism and judaism, and buddism (yes really), I would listen to my elders talk about the 'old days'- guess why I got a degree in history and economics? I would eat from a buffet of different foods. (hence my love of cooking- and I was taught how to make all the dishes) We would dance and sing and laugh at our aunt and uncle who hosted this event every saturday to keep my great grand mothe happy- we laughed because we always got paper plates. The only thing in the house off limits to touch were aunt addie's doll house and uncle abe's skull cap.

Sunday: to Espiscopal church ( otherwise known as the American CoE) then to the other side. If you didn't learn lots of basics about languages...forget it. You would sit confused. More food, lots of languages, games, playing in my great grandfathers farming field's that he was then to old to tend. I was told about WWI and 2 in Europe- my great grandfather's medal's and citations on the wall with pride. (Once I brought my best friend for the weekend- nightmare- she couldn't keep my cousins straight!) In the summer, being taken to the lake or the ocean to be taught fishing.

To go back to the point, inspite of that I did not have a perfect childhood. BUT...it certainly made me more tolerant of people. And more open minded. (I was the only girl at my white only school with a black doll- my aunt sidney gave it to me- and then it was treated worse because Sid and Ned were jewish!)

I am not particularly pro the Euro Union, but I am for acceptance. I am proud of my background (and some of it is bleak) and the people who put me here and just asked, "hey, we don't agree on borders or religion, but we agree we are human". I know the experiences and lives of others who have impacted on me. I would like to think they informed me/warned me of the future.
Here endeth my statement
The spectre of the paedophile 8:45pm on 28 Jun 2008 So Mud (your name is appropriate) you are muddying the water.

This thread is in essence about a report which is questioning the hysteria around "a paedo on every corner"- Has the public been "brain washed" into this fear, hysteria and is it warranted? The report concludes it is not warranted. I have provided further examples (some personal) of the hysteria and how it has been put in the public arena via manipulation. (I do even believe I have been bold enough to make the owner's of this site accountable for this manipulation in the past)

You obviously don't keep with the news, as you would be aware that Ray Wyre died 8 days ago and may he RIP (genuinely)

Your argument about abuse is deeply flawed from both a male and female point of view. Indeed for there to be csa there is an imbalance of power. Your "it's our little secret" is a myth. (Unless you are admitting that every other adult around the child is completely incompetent, oblivious, unable to recognise boundaries, and unable to teach a child right and wrong)

Also, time compounds the impact- in other words, the 'survivor' - your word- is using something insignifant in life, building it up in their heads, and using the 'abuse excuse'. (I am not referring to those awful and thankfully rare cases of chronic abuse- I have my own views on managment of the perps)

Again this thread is about whether the public have been whipped to a frenzy over something that doesn't exist in reality. I say yes it has- I have used examples of the hype and mistruths and misleading reports of the media and the lack of public knowledge of the public regarding actual academic research. You seem to want to insist we should believe the media and basically ban every man from contact with children. I think societially, that is dangerous. That is part of the point of the thread "are we unreasonably vilifying men?"
I say yes we are.

I could give lots of personal examples that might fit your "child abuse" profiles. But I won't- Because this thread is not about me and it is not about you.

PS The only cases I have heard of "one off mutual masturbation" between two boys are where teenagers were exploring sexuality. I don't condemn it but do point out, all of them admitted they enjoyed themselves and positively affected their sexuality. So if you claim "you were the teacher's favourite boy"- hmm, then maybe you are protesting to much against yourself.
The spectre of the paedophile 5:37pm on 28 Jun 2008 May I ask Mud... why do you not consider the work of Kilby or Ray Wyre or Angela Carr?

There is no doubt that some people who have suffered abuse as a child, go on to develop serious emotional and mental scars. Of that I have little doubt. However, my EXPERIENCE, education, insight and research show that if the issue is dealth with quickly and early, those scars can be minimised.

But I am disturbed by one of your statements: "like many boys I experimented with mutual masturbation" Ok but that statement with no specific info is a worry to me. Just at what age where you doing this? And you are not specific about whether it was with boys or girls. (your doctors and nurses reference is separate)

You leave far too many questions unanswered and leave far too many questions to be asked.
The spectre of the paedophile 5:50pm on 27 Jun 2008 Would you care to enlighten people as to your statement:

Quote:
There are other people responding to this topic that are also suspected of being sympathetic to the cause of paedophilia.

I would be interested to know whom these people are.

To return to the original thread....

The Civitas Report issued yesterday has highlighted the hysteria surrounding child protection issues in the UK- strongly promoted by the media.

The reality is, if you read the responses of the majority in a variety of web discussions, men ARE being demonised about contact with children.- Afraid to help lost children in a town centre, jump in to stop them drowning, teach in schools, volunteer with youth clubs and sporting activities. The number stating that any interest in the welfare and nurturing of young people is automatically deemed "creepy" "sick" "perverted". The media has applied the term "perverted paedophile" so much the label is sticking to men even where it is not appropriate, warranted, or applicable.

Is our hysteria actually damaging to our children?

My comments regarding the NSPCC are directly based on an FOI I did because I saw lots of adverts and fund raising but couldn't actually find anything about REAL work with REAL abused children. Similarly, when I did the same with NCH, I also found a distinct lack of this type of work.

Of course all forms of abuse of children is wrong and only someone with either ice for blood or a complete lack of empathy would disagree. But shouldn't we be concentrating our efforts on working with these real children? (sometimes the scars from verbal or emotional abuse last longer than the physical ones) Stop these witch hunts and the vilification of men. Let's return to some sense. All I see in these hysterics is families and communities fragmented.

Oh, and yes, I am a woman. And a mother. And a wife. And extremely opinionated!
The spectre of the paedophile 09:17am on 27 Jun 2008 Let us clarify a few points here:

The NSPCC- I did a FOI on this "charity". How much of their income goes on the heart wretching tv adverts? 78%- yes 78%.

When asked how many REAL children have been 'saved' from abuse by the NSCPP in the last financial year- "erm, none. We consider advertising the problem to be child protection."

Another poster meantioned Op Swallow. Well, here is how Operation Ore worked. Get to court- confronted by CPS and Social Services- "Plead guilty or we will make sure you never see your children again- you have one minute to decide." What would you do? I even know of cases where people were pressganged into pleading guilty to images of 30 year old women- and could prove the ages. And don't forget the burden of proof was reversed- plod and CSP didn't have to prove you broke the law- you had to prove you didn't.

(This is of course after having your house raided at 7:02 am because 'supposedly' your name was found on some USA database almost ten years ago, then waiting 18-30 months on bail, your employers being told, you neighbors being told, your children's schools being told- yes, all of this was done at the allegation stage- and more)

But no matter- Police and CPS got their easy bust and congrats for finding another criminal, the media got their story about another person placed on the SOR, and the public thought "hey, great that's another disgusting perverted paedophile dealt with and outted."

This then gives some jumped up Irish copper the chance to say, "every one of the images is of a child being abused" Hmm. Yes, here are real examples of these 'abuse' images:
*the 30 year old above
*a photo of your baby having his/her first bath at home
*your 9 year old in a bikini on the beach leaning towards the camera blowing a kiss
*images from the 1980's of topless models from a particular set of newspapers- they were 16/17 when pics taken- that is child abuse

(we will put aside the "evidence" of perversion from a computer's search history such as "asian" "cheerleader" "star trek"- yep, the police, cps, and social services all believed these searches in a computer's history was evidence of illegal activity)

The British were warned by the USA authorities that this list of names and credit cards was dubious- that is why they only arrested 100 people. But no, the British thought they were smarter- they went after 7200 people.

But hey, it's alright- It was all done in the name of child protection and stopping children being abused.
The spectre of the paedophile 11:27pm on 26 Jun 2008 Where to start with all of this...let's see. The supposed government and their agents (NSPCC and CAFCASS and Social Care and Health) constantly let children down. The fear in the media is hype- just that. Which has caused a disproportionate reaction in the public.

For those not aware, in 1998/1999, apparently men could sign up to "purchase child abuse images" using a 56K dial up modem- and were doing it at the rate of 35/40 sign ups a minute!!! (from the same computer and modem) Wow that is some going!

But don't worry Joe Public- you watched them break down the doors of these evil, sick, twisted paedos on TV- great! And then those men were bullied and threated to plead guilty- by SS and a desperate CPS. (they had to justify Gamble's income some how and the D list of gov't officials) But don't worry, public- a list of fraud has created 4K more registered sex offenders in the UK in the last 5 years.

You and yours sleep well.

Victim of an illegal witchhunt to justify sensationalism and gov't budgets

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