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Obama defends climate change record 12:28pm on 23 Sep 2009 With all due respect to the courageous polititians, and equally courageous public participating in the climate debate, I find it necessary to point out some relevant facts and their consequences as they look from the viewpoint of thermodynamics. Because knowledge of the basic principles makes the details redundant.

1. The climate of this planet is constant if looked at in sufficientöly long interval of time.

2. This implies that the system is in thermodynamic equilibrium, and the climate variations observed within that period are equilibrium fluctuations which occur within a deep minimum of free energy. Any attempt to move the system out of that equilibrium results in the action of a restoring force.

3. The scale of these restoring forces, or, in other words, the depth of the minimum where we are sitting can be estimated from the amplitude of the climatic fluctuations that occur within, say, several hundred years.

4. It is absoluteli obvious fo everyone vaguely familiar with the history of this planet that the climatic variations were huge as compared with what we can conceivably produce with all our technical means.

5. Therefore, the popular scenario of runaway heating the planet is completely impossible. Sooner or later the restoring force will act and the planet returns to the equilibrium.

6. The relevant point to discuss is therefore not the mithological catastrophic warming, but the restoring mechanism of cooling that will eventually arise.

7. There may be two scenarios of restoring cooling: continuous (linear) and discontinuous (nonlinear). By triggering the latter, we can, indeed produce some unpleasant changes in the climate, but these would be cooling, and not warming.
Obama defends climate change record 11:01am on 23 Sep 2009 ref #43

That implies that the nuclear energy production industry is not the source of those billions spend on the carbon dioxide campain. Another source of funding is easy to figure out. Who else is commercially interested in changing the energy production profile?
Obama defends climate change record 09:17am on 23 Sep 2009 "the US special envoy on climate change"

This is remarkable. Shall we also expect a US special envoy on solar activity? Or on planetary orbits in the solar system?

A response of the Obama administration on growing unemployment?
Lisbon: A Pandora's box 6:48pm on 21 Jun 2009 According to Wikipedia "The Treaty of Lisbon adds explicit sentences stating that combating climate change and global warming are targets of the Union."

I wonder if that implies that those of us who do not believe in the popular and politically correct cimat models should vote "no"?
Lisbon: A Pandora's box 3:25pm on 21 Jun 2009 #152. greypolyglot wrote:

" #139. ikamaskeip:

Give it up mate!"

That's hardly a straight answer.

Do you disagree with the Treaty without having read it or do you disagree with it because you have read it?

If it's the former I don't really need to comment. If it's the latter may I ask which was the sticking point for you?

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I have to remind you that in #145 you agreed that there is no need to read the entire Treaty text to disagree with it.
Lisbon: A Pandora's box 2:45pm on 21 Jun 2009 #145 greypolyglot:

"Agreed. So how far did you get and what's your sticking point?"

Isn't there a clause that abandons the unanimity principle in deciding further changes in EU legislation? If this is the case, the the rest of the treaty is entirely meaningless, at least for the Irish people since any article can be changed over night without them having any opportunity to veto the change.
Lisbon: A Pandora's box 11:57am on 21 Jun 2009 #143 bonybbony:

"The constitution is the only mean which would secure the democracy in the EU, freedom of each particular individuum in the EU."

Many european individuals are currently quite satisfied with the level of freedom and democracy that they enjoy within the perimeter of their national border without interference of the EU superdemocrats.
Lisbon: A Pandora's box 10:03am on 21 Jun 2009 # 137 greypolyglot:

"Just so that I can be clear. Have you read the Treaty and disagree with it or do you disagree with it without reading it?"

As an exercise in logic: how much of a text one needs to read to disagree with it? Would you regard it as a sufficient condition for "no" vote if one disagrees with a single article of the treaty? And, if so, what is the point in reading the rest of it?
Lisbon: A Pandora's box 8:59pm on 20 Jun 2009 #29 greypolyglot:

"I always thought that persistence was fairly generally appreciated and valued, as in "if at first you don't succeed try, try and try again".

Persistence is indeed commendable. But, to answer my question, you have to explain the apparent asymmetry in your argument. Why shouldn't the Irish government be equally persistent in enquiring the opinion of the Irish people concerning the L Treaty after getting "yes" vote?
Lisbon: A Pandora's box 7:11pm on 20 Jun 2009 #99 greypolyglot:
"The ability to read and understand complex texts is fundamental to functioning as a translator."

Let us consider the problem of understanding the logical connectivity of simple texts. Haven't you noticed that your #65 actually fails to answer my #57?

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