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The Great Tennessee Monkey Trial 8:51pm on 26 Nov 2009

Now here IS a personal challenge to Will,

... accusing him of possibly "a subconscious intent to prevent people from drawing different conclusions..."

Who by?

Errr. John Wright;-

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Previous Next 1. At 8:30pm on 19 Oct 2009, John_Wright wrote:

An entry here about an article, with lots of links but none to the original article itself? Hmm, what does that say about our own Will's approach to the piece; obviously disapproval, maybe a subconscious intent to prevent people from drawing different conclusions than the 21,000 who wrote to a government body about it? Does this make it an issue of free speech too? What are the PCC expected to do about this and what power can they wield?

By the way, I haven't read the Moir article and none of what I just said rests on any kind of judgment about it whatsoever. (Chances are I'd agree with William, but I'll have to Google the piece to find out ;-))

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The Great Tennessee Monkey Trial 8:47pm on 26 Nov 2009

Helio

Ref this idea that people like Greer and Nevin must compartmentalise their faith from their science. I have discovered in recent days that Russian science is drastically different to western science in that God is traditionally assumed to be a central part of science.

Apparently much of the science in Russia rejected the Enlightenment idea that worldviews had to choose either science or religion.

...apparently, the Russian view bore many similarities with those of Maxwell Clerk and others among his peers, like Kelvin.

http://www.adherents.com/people/pm/James_Clerk_Maxwell.html

But apparently most of Clerk's work and therefore his worldview which easily combined his physics and faith have apparently been censored from modern science;-

http://www.enterprisemission.com/hyper1a.html

Here are some of the ideas outlined a little more;-

Integral Reason: Science and Religion in Russian Culture

by Vladimir Katasonov

After decades of oppression and obscurity, the dialogue between science and religion is alive and well in Russia, drawing on deep historical roots that have given the dialogue a unique national character.

In Russian culture, the great theme of "Science and Religion" has been played in a different key from that sounded in the West. There has been, on the Russian side, far less conflict between the two "magesteria" (always excepting, of course, the 70 years of state atheism under the Soviet regime). The antagonism that has marked, and often marred, the Western science-religion dialogue was never a part of the foundations of Russian thought, due to several unique factors in the nation’s religious and intellectual development....

http://www.science-spirit.org/article_detail.php?article_id=178

The more you look at it, the more difficult it appears to be to accept Dawkins' argument that science is and must be materialistic.

It certainly wasnt during the scientific revolution, or indeed in any of the ancient civilisations.
The Great Tennessee Monkey Trial 8:34pm on 26 Nov 2009

Here are some more money quotes by a former high profile journalist in NI on a similar theme.

He is not singling out the BBC - but he is certainly not excusing them either. Proof? How often are the Christian Institute and Evangelical Alliance invited onto W&T or SS? His point, not mine!

I think his quotes fit as well here on W&T / SS as anywhere else;-

http://www.christian.org.uk/news/media-is-anti-christian-says-sky-news-reporter/

Widespread anti-Christian bias in the media means that groups like The Christian Institute face an “uphill struggle” for fair coverage, says a Sky News journalist.

Journalists select the information they wish to report based on a largely anti-Christian ideology, says David Blevins, a former Washington correspondent for Sky News.

Mr Blevins made his comments on Christian blog, To Whom It May Concern. When asked if the media in America and the UK understands evangelical Christians, he said:

“Not at all. It’s important to remember that what appears in the newspapers is not an objective summary of the significant things that happened yesterday but an ideological selection based on the prejudices, agendas and assumptions of a relatively small group of people.

“Their ideology could be loosely defined as ‘progress will one day meet our needs.’ So as with other forms of thought that deviate from that ideological view, evangelical Christianity is either dismissed out of hand or reported in a manner that serves to reinforce the ideology!
“‘Religion’ is viewed as obscure, life-denying and regressive.

Organisations like Evangelical Alliance and the Christian Institute face an uphill struggle to change that perception.”
The Great Tennessee Monkey Trial 8:31pm on 26 Nov 2009
Furthermore, Will, if I really am the most paranoid poster you have ever seen on your blog, it would seem I am in good company. The very same accusations as mine have been levelled by many of the BBC’s top stars against the Beeb too.

Also, Archbishop John Sentamu said in 2006 that Christians took “more knocks” in BBC programmes than other faiths!!
A paranoid Will & Testament person of the year 2008???

Are we really all that nuts? Of could a clue to a more accurate view of the matter rest in the harsh ad hominem attacks on me by Will and others here after I raised the subject??

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http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23371617-we-are-biased-admit-the-stars-of-bbc-news.do

We are biased, admit the stars of BBC News

It was the day that a host of BBC executives and star presenters admitted what critics have been telling them for years: the BBC is dominated by trendy, Left-leaning liberals who are biased against Christianity and in favour of multiculturalism....

At the secret meeting in London last month, which was hosted by veteran broadcaster Sue Lawley, BBC executives admitted the corporation is dominated by homosexuals and people from ethnic minorities, deliberately promotes multiculturalism, is anti-American, anti-countryside and more sensitive to the feelings of Muslims than Christians.

One veteran BBC executive said: 'There was widespread acknowledgement that we may have gone too far in the direction of political correctness.
'Unfortunately, much of it is so deeply embedded in the BBC's culture, that it is very hard to change it.'..............

Political pundit Andrew Marr said: 'The BBC is not impartial or neutral. It's a publicly funded, urban organisation with an abnormally large number of young people, ethnic minorities and gay people. It has a liberal bias not so much a party-political bias. It is better expressed as a cultural liberal bias.'

Washington correspondent Justin Webb said that the BBC is so biased against America that deputy director general Mark Byford had secretly agreed to help him to 'correct', it in his reports. Webb added that the BBC treated America with scorn and derision and gave it 'no moral weight'.

Former BBC business editor Jeff Randall said he complained to a 'very senior news executive', about the BBC's pro-multicultural stance but was given the reply: 'The BBC is not neutral in multiculturalism: it believes in it and it promotes it.'

Randall also told how he once wore Union Jack cufflinks to work but was rebuked with: 'You can't do that, that's like the National Front!'
Quoting a George Orwell observation, Randall said that the BBC was full of intellectuals who 'would rather steal from a poor box than stand to attention during God Save The King'.

There was another heated debate when the summit discussed whether the BBC was too sensitive about criticising black families for failing to take responsibility for their children.

Head of news Helen Boaden disclosed that a Radio 4 programme which blamed black youths at a young offenders', institution for bullying white inmates faced the axe until she stepped in.

But Ms Fitzpatrick, who has said that the BBC should not use white reporters in non-white countries, argued it had a duty to 'contextualise' why black youngsters behaved in such a way.

Andrew Marr told The Mail on Sunday last night: 'The BBC must always try to reflect Britain, which is mostly a provincial, middle-of-the-road country. Britain is not a mirror image of the BBC or the people who work for it.'
The Great Tennessee Monkey Trial 8:24pm on 26 Nov 2009 Ref post 32 John ;-)

Make mine a Bud John and we can relax in our “paranoia” together.
I know I made your day about how relaxed I am about my alleged “paranoia” about BBC bias on W&T and SS.

But after reading this article on your blog it would appear you hold exactly the same views as me.

The only difference being, in this forum I am directing my comments specifically at W&T and SS corporately, while you are speaking about the BBC as a whole and the European media.

Are you really saying that your comments apply to every part of the BBC *EXCEPT* W&T and SS John?

UK POLITICS AND THE BBC
BY JOHN WRIGHT

“....... If you were to take a poll of BBC journalists, perhaps using a quiz of this nature, you’d find that the vast majority will reveal themselves to be centre/left, to some degree. In some of the newsrooms I’ve been in, a ‘conservative’ would have a tough time. They’d be a minority.

“And this is the case across the board in ‘thinking’ circles in Britain......

"In the worldview of Britain’s liberal media, there was no room for such a documentary. (Doubt that? Check your local listings for similar content.)

“........The long and the short?: Perhaps unbalanced journalism would not matter quite so much were it not done with the incredible arrogance of using my [licence fee and tax] money, whether I wish to give it or not.”

http://www.john-wright.net/2007/04/29/uk-politics-and-the-bbc/
The Great Tennessee Monkey Trial 7:57pm on 23 Nov 2009

Also, do I really see theological reds under the beds???

Hmmmm. Maybe. Feel free to discuss. Im quite relaxed about it.

I guess Will that it does appear to me that W&T and SS consistently carry features which challenge/ridicule/scrutinise conservative Christianity.

I rarely if ever see the same level of scrutiny applied to humanists, environmentalists, feminists, liberals or sexual libertines who so regularly appear to get a relaxed platform.

eg mature men who fully justify themselves havng sex with numerous 17-year-olds AND get invited back on again for a longer TV interview!

While W&T repeatedly solicits info from gossipmongers at Whitewell.
Obviously Jim McConnell has not proven himself the right type for an easy interview on SS / W&T in comparison!

;-)

Instead, W&T repeatedly creates platforms to fan the flames of tension, with repeated visits to try and dig up stories on Whitwell. And what as the worst that has been found? I'll tell you.

Whatever it was, it certainly wasnt advocating sleeping with endless 17-year-olds.

Does that make me paranoid? Well, feel free to discuss it.

It IS a discussion board and I'm just discussing within the house rules.

Your strapline above says;-

"BBC Northern Ireland presenter William Crawley discusses the often controversial political, religious and ethical issues of the day."

Controversial?

OK. I'm just joining in.

Even paranoid people are allowed in. Arent they?

:-)

OT
Don't label me ... 7:06pm on 23 Nov 2009
Mr Klaver - Helio

Any thoughts on;-

posts 62-64

OT
The Great Tennessee Monkey Trial 6:58pm on 23 Nov 2009

btw I'm a bit mystified why you keep calling people paranoid on this blog if they post something you dont like but which is within the house rules Will.

It sort of suggests a lack of tolerance and inclusivity.

Is the only person allowed to test world views in Northern Ireland William Crawley???

;-)
The Great Tennessee Monkey Trial 6:56pm on 23 Nov 2009

Will

You say the nicest things!!!

"OT, you're doing it again. You are the most paranoid contributor I've ever encountered."

Err... would this be the same William Crawley that repeatedly asks people not be personal and attacking in their posts???

I'm using the tongue in cheek symbole for the second time on this thread;-

;-)

OT

PS Its a fair cop on this occasion Will ie your explanation. But it still does seem to crop up so regularly without anyone defining it!
Don't label me ... 9:17pm on 22 Nov 2009

If I may answer your questions too Brian

1) You hate the idea of people believing in God while I think it is crucial

2) Labels dont matter to me at all. But is important that my children have a clear opportunity to understand the best truth I can offer them as to why they are here and their place and purpose in the world.

3) These labels are extra-biblical social constructions which harm more than help.

4) Not anywhere near as important as the overall spirit of truth and love of the NT.

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