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Listed below are comments made by extremesense between Thursday, 29th October 2009 and Friday, 30th October 2009.

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Over to you, Foreign Secretary 1:44pm on 30 Oct 2009 When the Board of Deputies here got involved and expressed their concern about Kaminski the Tories said they'd come under political pressure.

That being the case, I can only think that Poland's chief rabbi has done too so his opinion is meaningless although before any of this he did say back in the summer...

"I do not comment on political decisions. However, it is clear that Mr Kaminski was a member of NOP, a group that is openly far right and neo-Nazi. Anyone who would want to align himself with a person who was an active member of NOP and the Committee to Defend the Good Name of Jedwabne (which was established to deny historical facts of the massacre at Jedwabne) needs to understand with what and by whom he is being represented."

As for Kaminski himself, well, he's been on the record before all this too.
Changing Britain's relationship with Europe 08:37am on 30 Oct 2009 The Tories are practising 'I'll get back to you on that politics' in all areas.... the economy, foreign policy/Europe, healthcare, etc.

It's ripe of Dave to accuse Gordon Brown of flip-flopping when he hasn't even decided what he's going to do himself.

Oh well, if the worst comes to the worst, they can always just carry on with Labour policy which is to privatise everything, end up paying double for public services and hope for the best.

Actually, hold on a minute, that's exactly what Dave is doing - he's just pretending to be different to get votes but in fact he's going to continue what Labour have done.

Why? Because that's what Murdoch, the CBI and other powerful members of our society have told him to do.
Changing Britain's relationship with Europe 5:39pm on 29 Oct 2009 #191 saga

Winston Churhill said, "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."

Yep, I'm with you Ken Clarke and Winston best not involve 'the public' every time a decision needs to be made.

NB - Richard Dannatt, isn't he that eccentric christian soldier the Tories have just signed-up?
Changing Britain's relationship with Europe 4:53pm on 29 Oct 2009 #118 jrperry

Yep, the Today Programme said nothing new.

The facts are clear and so is the history so I don't see how you can start claiming some political victory.

The Conservative's bedfellows in Europe hold, in my mind, some very extreme views and David Cameron and William Hague are desperately trying to justify their position.
Changing Britain's relationship with Europe 4:32pm on 29 Oct 2009 #115 jrperry

It has nothing to do with the health service budget and you should know it.

It has everything to do with the flagship Tory councils that Cameron loves so much charging those in need for homecare and other essential services whilst slashing council tax.

So, in answer to your question, no it's not a dishonest smear of Conservative policy, it's simply a fact regarding Conservative party poicy in action.

Do you actually know anything about your beloved Tories or do you just stick to party pamphlets like the Telegraph? I suspect that you are the one caught-up in fantasy.
Changing Britain's relationship with Europe 1:40pm on 29 Oct 2009 Interesting to read the comments of squirming Tories on the subject of Europe.... well, at least they're not trying to smear through revising history as they did when their new bedfellows were brought out in the open 'warts and all'.

I wonder what Hilary Clinton said to Hague?
Changing Britain's relationship with Europe 1:33pm on 29 Oct 2009 #75 jrperry

I think you're using semantics to excuse one of the many Tory u-turns.

The reason it's a u-turn is because the US has instructed Cameron (via Hague) to play ball and that's exactly what he's doing. Sure, some of them like Hague may feel anti-federalist, however, they've now been told not to be.

The Tories and Europe spell incompetence.... back in July, Timothy Kirkhope, leader of the Torie's 25 MEPs, was forced to step aside for Michel Kaminski in order to diffuse a row surrounding the Edward McMillan-Scott 'incident' after a phone call from Polish president Kaczynski to Mr Cameron so it's not the first time they've had to give way to others.

You might be right, I might be in the minority in suffering when the Conservatives get in but that's because I am dependent on care and don't have that much longer to live - this new-style budget airline type care that the Tories are so fond of doesn't sound much fun for 'me and my mates'.
Changing Britain's relationship with Europe 12:12pm on 29 Oct 2009 #48 Susan

Point taken, however, now is not the time to be talking about what should have happened in the past and what 'the people' were denied.

The reality is now and we should be scrutinising those soon to take power.

As far as I'm concerned, it doesn't look good, they don't have policies as such, the just have ideas and promises. They haven't thought about how they're going to get things done. It reminds me of Blair - he could talk the talk but was unable to implement any of his promises.

What's more, it turned out the electorate didn't matter there were far more important forces in our 'democracy'.
Changing Britain's relationship with Europe 12:05pm on 29 Oct 2009 #40 jrperry

You could never associate the word policy with the Conservatives, they just have soundbites or ideas which they are forced to evolve when they don't stand-up to reality.

If this was Brown, he'd be getting crucified for his political misjudgement whereas you're simply saying that Cameron's u-turn is adapting his position.

Him and George Osborne are hopeless yet because their supporters own most of the press and command the blogosphere, they're allowed to get away with it.

Unfortunately, when they're in power, we will suffer and suffer badly. We'll all be reminising for the good old days under Brown's Labour.
Changing Britain's relationship with Europe 10:58am on 29 Oct 2009 Can anyone remember such an incompetent bunch of people who keep say one thing to get the cheap support and do another or are forced to do another because they simply didn't think before they spoke?

Blair was nothing like this, neither was Thatcher.

The worrying thing is that their 'pet' newspapers are supporting the incompetence.

How can anyone consider voting for this bunch of clowns (yep, 'fraid so, Sagamix is spot on).

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