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Listed below are comments made by grand voyager between Sunday, 6th December 2009 (20 Hours Ago) and Sunday, 6th December 2009 (10 Hours Ago) .

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Cameron reminded of Afghan challenges 9:39pm on 06 Dec 2009 129 andyc555

#that standing by while Hitler enslaved most of mainland Europe and murdered 30 million or more jews, gypsies and anyone else he didn't like

That was your first post.
Your second post
#I didn't say Hitler DID kill 30 million but he was PLANNING to (there were 25 million jews alone in the area controlled by Hitler at the height of the Nazi empire).

So the truth is that you just grabbed that out of the air Eh!

#Britain declared war on Germany because Germany invade Poland and we had a treaty with the Poles. Very lttle then happened until Germany invaded France and the lowland countries, attaking British troops as he did so.

#attaking British troops as he did so.

So I guess all our lads were sitting around the camp fire when the Germans attacked them

Isn't that what I said [treaty] whatever your trying to say does'nt alter the fact that Germany did not attack Britain until we declared war on them, thats a undeniable fact.

#Five seconds thought would show that this was the desperate act of a unstable person (diagnosed with severe depression by British doctors after his capture).

I think you will find that Hitler 'the man who sent him would have recieved the same diagnosis had they of captured him.

#You really do seem to know very litle about the period.

Coming from you thats a joke. I lived through it sonny boy.

You seem to think that I am defending Hitler,I was asked

67. At 12:51pm on 06 Dec 2009, yellowbelly wrote:
#64 Interesting that you seem to compare Brown to Churchill. I know, understand and agree with why we fought in WWII, but cannot say the same about Afghanistan. Why are we actually fighting in Afghanistan?

and I replied to the best of my knowledge what I considered was the cause of world war two and why I thought we were in Afghanistan. the reply wasn't addressed to you or Attersee but if you want to throw in your twopenneth then feel free, but don't twist my words to suit your argument, I have now said my last word on the subject.
Cameron reminded of Afghan challenges 8:56pm on 06 Dec 2009 107 attersee
#Oh dear. Where to start?

"...soldiers, particularly of a certain persuasion..."

Oh dear Where to reply
Are you telling me that servicemen and women are not politically minded, not saying a lot for them do you think.

#And what "facts" have led you into believing that Hitler approved / consented to Hess flying to the UK?

And what facts have you not to believe.

#Far be it from me to cast doubt upon whatever you read in your spare-time, but it sounds like some of the authors on your reading list may be of "a certain persuasion." You know, the revisionist sort that also like to claim that "only" 30,000 died in Hitler's extermination camps or that the UK entered the second world courtesy of "international money-power" (yet another euphemism.)

Strange,And I had thought that I had mentioned six million Jews and thousands of others.

#Yes, for a few nano-seconds at least. Unless of course you think that Hitler would have been quite content to have had brutal dominion over Eurasia (and numerous European colonies around the world), whilst the UK sat off-shore in blissful neutral harmony ad infinitum?

What evidence do you have of that, Hitler was pretty close to the then prince Edward, almost bosum buddies.

#Or does that too make me of "a certain persuasion

You certainly are old boy as I am of the opposite persuasion.
Cameron reminded of Afghan challenges 4:59pm on 06 Dec 2009 87 Andy c555
Oh dear Andy. Hitler didn't attack Britain, Britain attacked Germany. The bombing of Britain came after we declared war on Germany not the other way around. How do you think Hess could have negotiated with the British Government if he had no support from Hitler? if Hitler regarded hess as such a bad guy why did we stick him in jail for the rest of his life?

#Luckily men with more conscience than you were in charge of the country So not only am I mad But I have No conscience, Your the man with the conscience are you? it seems that you didn't read my post as you should before commenting, I said and I quote "I think what we British did in that war was exemplary and I appreciate the treaty," Hardly fits in with your statement does it.
You say#and murdered 30 million or more jews, gypsies I had always thought it was six million Jews and several thousand others, but if you say thirty million the I guess you being so well informed and with a conscience must be right.
So you concede the point I was Making
#You then go on to say that Britain could have stayed out of WWII. We perhaps could have.
Cameron reminded of Afghan challenges 2:12pm on 06 Dec 2009 67 Yellow Belly
I wasn't comparing Brown with Churchill I was pointing out that soldiers particularly of a certain persuasion turn on those they percieve as being responsible for their injuries, Its human nature nothing will ever change it.
Finding justification for the second world war, or as you say why we were in it, is not as simple as you like to believe if you look at the facts, Hitler had no plans to attack Britain and in fact half way through the war sent a envoy to confirm that, in the name of Hess. don't misunderstand me I think what we British did in that war was exemplary
and I appreciate the treaty, but we could have stayed out and saved thousands of British lives, and what did we get for it, pretty short shrift from Europe and a massive debt from the USA which turned us into a second rate country.
Why are we in Afghanistan, well I guess we all have our axe to grind over that,My personal feelings are that the regime there were persecuting their own people particularly the women, not a reason to go to war, they were allowing the training of insurgents and terrorists to be trained there, who were causing mayhem and death the world over. A reason to go to war. I guess you will come up with some story about pipelines or oil being the reason, thats your prerogative and your entitled to it.
Cameron reminded of Afghan challenges 12:31pm on 06 Dec 2009 62 yellow belly

I can't seem to find any post from you pointing out troops at Selly Oak not wanting to meet Brown, So I can only surmise that you mean that on Browns visit to the hospital some of the guys, a very small majority didn't want to meet him, thats fair enough I can unberstand that, if I were a soldier or serviceman/woman that had lost limbs in the war and I was a Tory then I would as you would say I don't want to meet this man, thats their prerogative and they excercised it with my backing as did those who were happy to meet Gordon Brown, I see once again no political advantage in their action.I think that you will find that there were many after the second world war that wouldn't have touched Churchill with a barge pole but the man is revered today, yet he actually sacrificed thousands of lives, which to win that war he had very little choice.
Cameron reminded of Afghan challenges 11:55am on 06 Dec 2009 54 yellow belly
A bit like Cameron you take a quote from a lad who has just lost a leg and naturally feeling more than a little upset. but for you and the gutter press to gain political advantage from this is deplorable. For every lad that would say that you would find a equal amount that would say the opposite, as I say the story was manna from heaven for the gutter press, but yours and their use of it is pure Cameronian.
Cameron reminded of Afghan challenges 11:46am on 06 Dec 2009 54 yellow belly

#I didn't make comment #21, so I don't know what you are referring to. Perhaps you would like to have another go.

Apologies, for 21 read 39.
Cameron reminded of Afghan challenges 11:41am on 06 Dec 2009 49 jrperry

#Clearly so. But before you go too far with your "fashion correspondent" style, I just thought you might like to know that I have a similar sweater, acquired in BHS.

Definately not of the same quality, but I would'nt boast about it if I were you.Its not done you know.
Cameron reminded of Afghan challenges 11:35am on 06 Dec 2009 Before Cameron complains about the playing fields of Britain remark he needs to remember the "labour policies wrote on the back of a cigerette packet in a cafe." He also needs to look at hansard and examine all the jibes he has made in parliament against Brown, and Hague against Prescott They didn't run crying to the press they are seasoned polititians that take the rough with the smooth, unlike baby Cameron.
Cameron reminded of Afghan challenges 11:17am on 06 Dec 2009 21 yellow belly
Oh Dear! is that the very best you can do yellow, I think that your are learning that defending the Conservatives propaganda attempts is trying to defend the indefensible. Cameron was'nt only trying to buy votes from the families of these great servicemen/women, he's playing the emotional card of those that are apposed to the war in Afghanistan, and those who rightly feel sorry for the boys and girls that come home injured or in body bags, but this is war and the service people out there know it, as one soldier said we don't need sympathy we just waht to be left alone to get on with the job, thats what our serviceman/women want, not some jumped up politician visiting them with wild promises in order to use them to win votes.
Does he intend to give those service people who served in Iraq the same as those in Afghanistan, and what about Northern Ireland and any other conflicts that have taken place over the last few years and beyond do those servicemen deserve any less for the danger they encountered, and if not why not?.

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