Glass Box for Friday PM
We shall be heading off to our glass box after the programme to discuss what worked and what didn't. Use this glass box here to give us your thoughts, if you could. Mark Frankel is editing tonight and he will look through your contributions - he might even reply!
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Eddie's only gone and broke The Blog!
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I think I might have done. I've deleted the other stuff. It all went a bit nuts.
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Naughty Eddie! You shouldn't play around with the Blog :-p
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Has anyone kept any of the Upshares music? There are one or two I would like to hear again, particularly that by Led Bib. I know that some think the whole thing is past its sell-by date, but for me 5.30 on a Monday is a big moment!
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If only Other People hadn't played around with it all those weeks ago.
But on to comment for tonight - love the idea of donating the Olympics.
Can London please donate it, as soon as possible, to whoever will take 2012? I do not know one single Londoner who wants them and the expense it these hard times.
NB: 'Know' means know, as another human being, not know of some platitudinous politician or other self-interest merchant.
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The report on the Hamas-Israel prisoner exchange negotiations.
We are told that it is a disaster for the Israeli soldier (sorry, I couldn't spell his name, even if I could remember it) and his family that he has been held hostage so long. There was no mention of how many Palestinians he could have killed before he was captured.
On the other hand we have a number of Palestinians held by the Israelis, for whom it's not apparently a disaster, nor do Palestinians apparently have families who may miss them. We are not told how long any of them have been held in Israeli prisons. We are, however, reminded they are terrorists and that some of them are murderers.
Note also how we have been told that the Israeli soldier is Hamas' hostage but the Palestinians held by the Israelis are prisoners. These words mean the same thing, but they have quite different emotional impact.
We are treated to a report from an Israeli spokesman, but nothing from Hamas.
Do you call that impartiality?
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"It all went a bit nuts". Story of my life, Eddie.
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The Ftse down below the 'psychologically important' 5,000 level, Nils - and remains at that level for the weekend.
Does that mean a further crash on Monday or was the stuff about it being 'psychologically important' strictly phonus bolonus in the first place?
If so, since you and many finacial advsors and market makers called it 'important', when the barrier was crossed 3 weeks ago, should all that stuff we got a few weeks ago also be regarded as strictly phonus bolonus?
Time still to tell me in the 6 oclock news, eh?
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Had a hunch it would be Rio.
Hope everyone takes extra care tomorrow there. After all, it was the day after the London Games was announced that the tube and bus bombers struck.
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Or were announced. Even.
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Did I hear the news report correctly, that a Sikh policeman has been awarded compensation of £10,000 because he was required to wear a helmet during riot training?
Have you heard the one about the vegetarian who got a job with McDonald's, but then demanded compensation because he was required to cook meat?
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I am pleased - sort of. For some reason I had not realised South America had never hosted a summer Olympic Games. I have absolutely no idea if anywhere in South America is suitable and or bids for the Winter Games.
But I too was surprised that Chicago got knock out so soon. 2012? That idea about donating Olympic events! You do not suppose Mr Johnson would consider...........?
But I read in the newspaper - bidding for the 2016 games dissatisfied some US citizens? Oh? So fearing that just THAT - not winning the bid - will result in more allegedly "ignoring the facts" criticism from certain commentators - can I offer the suggestion of adding the words "but try" to the end of a now well known slogan?
I stole this line from a fellow PM listener. Thank you. As usual - I put my tailspin on it!
Subject: a cull would be a blessing
Anagram: legal clowns adieu - blubs
And the winner is ............................
Who cares! lol
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LOL....Belfast...Dublin....Belfast....Dublin!
Make your minds up!
SG
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Re #4: Yes, there ought to be an Upshares theme archive set up somewhere on the blog, especially since this innocent 5 seconds of daily whimsy appears to have enraged the great unhinged to such an extent that they are now throwing themselves en masse beneath the thundering hooves of the Feedback programme demanding the immediate demise of the PM programme and the summary defenestration of Mr Muir.
I've been listening to Radio 4 for the last 300 years and I knew this kind of thing would happen as soon as they stopped wearing dinner jackets on the radio. I blame that Lord Reith.
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SirStarryKnight(11) The Sikh policeman was told to remove his turban, and his superiors trivialised the matter when he objected. That is why he was awarded compensation.
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Is the Andrew Giddings who produced the fab 'french cafe' style Up Shares music this week, THE Andrew Giddings, namely the astonishingly talented keyboard player from Jethro Tull ? If so, keep it up; there currently appears to be something of a dearth of progrock musos on PM.
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Could be this one ...
http://www.cix.co.uk/~gidds/
(who is not the Jethro Tull one ...)
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I should say at the beginning that I believe what I'm about to say is the case, but will happily stand corrected if I've got the wrong end of a different stick, as t'were...
The thing about the Sikh fella and his turban... well if the Police had carried out an equality impact assessment, and demonstrated that treating all officers the same but in a way that was likely to discriminate again one group ie Sikhs was justifiable (for example on the grounds of safety) then they would have had a leg to stand on.
That's why the fire brigade require all their fire fighters to be clean shaven on their faces (including Sikhs and ladies) - there wont be a proper seal between their face and the respirator if they aren't and they might die as a result. Seems like a good reason to say 'if you plan to have a beard, you can't have this job, no matter what reason you have the beard for'.
However, it is a bit confusing considering the regulation requiring people to wear hard hats on construction sites has an exemption built in for practising Sikhs who wear turbans. But a turban is wearing you for protection if a brick falls off the top of the building and conks you on the head IMHO.
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We all know about Nestles n'est pas?
http://www.globalexchange.org/campaigns/fairtrade/cocoa/3332.html
But now the BBC is reporting the brave Swiss chocolat ole company as fighting for human rights by refusing to buy milk from Robert Mugabe's wife's farm,
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8286226.stm
Fighting child slavery this time are they, after all it was a human rights group that threatened to campaign against them if they didn't stop buying the milk.
Read between the lines, people:
http://www.voanews.com/english/Africa/Zimbabwe/2009-10-02-voa41.cfm
So the whites have found a way of applying pressure to get their farms back whilst appearing to be on the side of human rights
Ceefax may have reported a telescoped version of this at 142, page 5, but I'm glad PM stayed away from it.
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19
It's the same old story, UK & US disagree with the election result so they do everything to overthrow the ELECTED government and install their own man.
They withdraw aid, impose sanctions and sabotage the ZANU-PF liberated farms ... then when the people starve it's all supposed to be Mugabe's fault.
BBC ... report the real story in Zimbabwe!!
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EtE 19: I share your cynicism. We should, however, be glad they're doing the right thing now, whatever their ulterior motivation.
Dry.
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N'est ce pas?
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Giulio 14: I totally agree, but what has Dennis Muir done to deserve having his windows broken?
I'm surprised there isn't already an archive of mp3s we can access. What about it, Eddie?
Dry.
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Dry 23, Is Dennis Muir related to the late Fwank Muir?
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FRANK Muir, sorry! (Frank Muir & Dennis Norden used to write scripts for comedy programmes on
BBC radio many moons ago.)
Dry.
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I've spent the last hour trying to correct that mistake. For some reason, the lovely web software first refused to post the comment, then signed me out.
The extra line somehow got in somehow because I'd cut & saved the text, then pasted it back again.
I'm generally pissed off at the moment.
Dry.
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One expects things to go wrong occasionally. That's OK. I can forgive that. I really don't mind. What gets my goat is when I get stuck in an endless loop and there's no reliable way to get back in.
Dry.
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27 Dry
Better than being stuck in an endless loop unable to get out.
Defenestration is a very good word - I had to look it up!
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Dry, I got 'locked out' last Friday for no reason and still haven't been given an explanation. I didn't even cut or paste or post a link. Maybe there's no logic to it... maybe it's just New Blog playing up.
Hope you feel a bit less piddled off now.
lucien - the Defenestration of Prague; a phrase that caught me when I was studying history (a while ago, now) and remains a delight.
Not as good as the Diet of Worms (OK, Wurms), though.
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Dry 25, I know all about Muir and Norden (It'll Be All Right on the Night). Muir, like Jonathan Woss, couldn't pronounce his R's, hence Fwank. That still doesn't answer my question as to whether the two Muirs are related.
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Eddie/Sequin, Nice buckeye.
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So the Irish have finally got it right then. Nice of the rest of Europe to ask them rather partonisingly to vote again because they didn't give the right answers last time.
It's a pity our own government doesn't ask us to vote. We'd be happy to say No every time and wouldn't mind being partonised in this way.
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unclesocial (32) - OK, here's your chance. Tell us exactly what elements of the Lisbon Treaty you object to.
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33
Isn't it a little late for you to be listening to the arguments, or are you expecting a third referendum there?
Anyway, I hope
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NoihJh-NfQ
helps you.
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28 Lucien: I was trying to get out of the loop and back into the blog.
29 Frances:
My experience indicates several bugs in the blog software:
1/ It's easy to miss the warning that we must wait x seconds before making another post. Trying again can cause the user to be signed out.
2/ If the user types invalid data into the query boxes, they are not sent back to try again, but back to the blog, still signed out.
3/ If the user then clicks the "sign in" link, this can trigger the trap that says they have used their browser's back button.
If you have any evidence of this, or any other events (such as the URL (in your browser's address box) and the last thing you did before the event), please compile an error report and send it to the web team at
"NewsOnline SiteProblems" at bbc.co.uk
Having been a computer programmer, I can sympathise with the web software people. Not having been in this situation myself, I can only imagine how it feels to have the public let loose on an incompletely debugged suite of programs!
Ta. Dry.
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That should be
newsonline.siteproblems at bbc.co..uk
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No, it should be (3rd time lucky?)
newsonline.siteproblems at bbc.co.uk
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The financial crash came because folk like us were getting too much out of the capitalists' boom.
The right wing American accent is:
'That Obama is clearly a commie and the governing party in the UK is still calling itself Labour and spending like there is no tomorrow on medicare and public schooling.
'Another reason for crashing it Greenspan, like the Japansese did in 1990! By raising interest rates! The middle classes in the U of K are in hock to house price equity and credit cards. It'll slay 'em.
'Squeeze 'em. They'll soon run away from Labour. They know when they're being punished by us
'Stop those commies in Britain using government as a milch cow for their schools and hospitals
'Economics is about who gets the cream and those middle class Brits are getting too much'
Yep, they've run to the Tories to escape the Crash induced by Bush and Greenspan.
Wake up, and smell the coffee, Bush and Greenspan are dead and gone. The only right wing danger is Cameron.
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Dry
Maybe it's a browser specific thing. In Firefox 3.5.3 the text box is greyed out during the next-post countdown. There is a small bug causing the box to remain blocked if you refresh before the countdown concludes, but it's never logged me out.
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Dry 35, For a computer programmer, you aren't having much luck.
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l_d 39, That's why I don't mess with things like firefox.
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lucien 39: I've never noticed the text box greyed out on my Opera browser, but perhaps it has problems of its own.
Web software should be designed & tested to run on any browser that's fairly common, currently available & not obsolete. I've heard that many problems are caused by Microsoft having devised their own version of html in the hope of driving other browsers out of business. Having two versions of html (standard and MS) creates problems for web-site programmers.
David 41: yes, IE being the first browser the web designers test the software on, things usually work OK on that. Unfortunately, IE has holes that naughty people can exploit to get into your machine & tap your data or worse. MS will, of course, say they've fixed all the known holes, but there are always more.
Dry.
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The text box does change colour during the countdown. Also, I often refresh the page after posting a comment to see if anyone else has posted while I've been editing mine, which is often the case. None of this should have the observed effects, however: the software should cope.
Dry.
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DMcN @ 41
Really? You never use proper software??
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