Talking to the BNP...update.

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• 1. At 10:10am on 13 Jun 2009, funnyJoedunn wrote:

  Mmmm....Still thinking over the interview content itself. However...
  
  I'm not sure how I feel about the style of presentation of ipm. Especially after the thought provoking head to head. I felt like I had been thrust from the sublime to the ridiculous al la AM/morning TV. perhaps Blue Peter or the new down market Gardeners' World slightly wacky presenters with BBC regional accents.
  
  I'm not sure that while I'm still trying to absorb the interview, which was so thought provoking as to be challenging enough make me question my own position that, I want to be asked Blue Peter stylee what is my favourite 'tipple' in the morning. Is it coffee, tea, etc..Then Eddie saying (al a Wogan) how the day is totally spoiled if he can't relax with his first cup of coffee and think alone with his thoughts, whilst actually crashing into my thoughts over the BNP man and his neighbour over my cup of tea!
  
  I'm not looking for a wacky best mate from a presenter of serious journalism, I'm looking for serious journalistic thoughts especially after that interview. It betrays the cause, all this dumbing down because some touchy feely folk at the BBC thinks this will improve the mood of the nation or for some other reason unbeknown to me as a lesser mortal. Its just another example of trying to 'fix the mood' when I didn't want it fixed. I'd have been happy for the prog to end at the end of the interview.
  
  When I was studying horticulture a very well known and respected plants-man told us when referring to media portrayal of horticulture, 'TV presenters are not horticulturalists, some of them are not even gardeners....there TV presenters' ...Is the job media presentation with a bit of journalism thrown in...or the other way round? Either way it dosen't work for me after PM all week. There are plenty of other outlets for this style.
  
  I've heard someone before say, 'this proves you can't dumb up only down'. No doubt you will get the supporting crew. But for now I want to think about what I feel about the interview.
  
  PS, I think the world of leather woman has a serious point by the way.

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• 2. At 11:20am on 13 Jun 2009, Frances O wrote:

  I'm a bit confused by the neighbours debate. Some of it sounded a bit familiar. But 5.30 am isn't my best thinking time.
  
  btw, yes, re World of Leather, I'm glad that the sofas and footstools are available in non-leather. But can we s-t-r-e-t-c-h this into a broadcasting analogy? I'm not sure I can.
  
  Yawn. Need coffee. Now.

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• 3. At 2:11pm on 13 Jun 2009, emmauspaul wrote:

  Well I suppose it's all rather interesting really, I mean I think everyone should have their say and it was good to hear them having a nice chat and a biscuit over a cup of tea. Well done them.

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• 4. At 2:12pm on 13 Jun 2009, David_McNickle wrote:

  fJd 1, You're Alan Titchmash, aren't you?

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• 5. At 2:43pm on 13 Jun 2009, funnyJoedunn wrote:

  Alan Titmarsh knew what he was doin'. Its called, sucking up to anybody and anythin' that gets one nearer that elusive gong from her Maj.
  
  I'm just a....
  
  

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• 6. At 5:02pm on 13 Jun 2009, David_McNickle wrote:

  fJd 5, I said Titchmash.... He studied at Herts College of Wotsit and Horticulture.
  
  Same with me , my archaeological exploits will not get me a gong.

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• 7. At 7:00pm on 13 Jun 2009, jonnie wrote:

  Loved the 'World of Leather' very amusing - but who voiced it?

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• 8. At 7:05pm on 13 Jun 2009, funnyJoedunn wrote:

  Yes David, you and me both. Then, a few more people have heard of titCHmarsh.
  
  The thing about some of the stuff I did as a Landscaper, I can go back say, ten years later and see the fruits of mi labours. And I do. Trees, some I grew from seed are now quite mature and I drive past and go...wow did I do that?...yes you did...The other thing about growing stuff is that plants are no respector of class, creed or background. I can grow a plant just as good if not better than our Charlie boy down there at Sandringham house. Plants respond to being cared about, not who cares about them. I haven't talked to many just lately though. In fact, I just got back from playing around with my pots. That's all I have now outside my flat door since I had to move a year and a half ago. But I'm gonna win the lottery some day soon and get myself a big stinkin spread and grow an acer glade or some such. And a Japanese moss garden and all sorts like that.

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• 9. At 8:00pm on 13 Jun 2009, saintSahajayogi wrote:

  That discussion with the BNP supporter interested me,as my partner is Indian in origin and we have two children.The guru and founder of Sahaja Yoga,which I follow,is Indian and called Shri Mataji.
  So I have invested into culture other than my own original background.
  The thing is,no one would trade with the UK if we endorse the idea of separation according to race.No one wants a military junta with everyone looking the same.Or do some people really want that,that's where it starts becoming a bit complicated.Look what happens if you start saying,"Ein Volk,ein Reich,ein Fuhrer"(one people,one kingdom and one leader).That way is just mad,crazy.
  We do need to address these fanatical ideas with reasonable discussion and push back on them.
  Don't let evil ideas take root in our society.I'm glad I voted last week,at least it will help keep those bigoted people and their ideas like poison at bay.
  Andrew(Harrow)

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• 10. At 10:17am on 14 Jun 2009, David_McNickle wrote:

  fJd 8, I drove a delivery van for a florist in Cleveland, Ohio. Our redcurrants are getting, er, red. My wife grows them, I pick them. If I win the lottery, we are off to France as fast as possible.

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• 11. At 12:38pm on 14 Jun 2009, darkdesign wrote:

  That debate achieved nothing.
  
  Better than chucking eggs, though.

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• 12. At 3:42pm on 14 Jun 2009, Charlie wrote:

  fjd 8
  
  funnyjoe
  
  I'm in broad agreement with what you say and certainly, with what you've done.
  
  But PLEASE, show some respect:
  
  "I can grow a plant just as good if not better than our Charlie boy down there at Sandringham house."
  
  Incidentally, for me, it's either Highgrove or Clarence House...

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• 13. At 5:01pm on 14 Jun 2009, David_McNickle wrote:

  Charlie 12, But Chuck has lots of royal manure to throw around.

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• 14. At 6:06pm on 14 Jun 2009, Charlie wrote:

  D_M 13
  
  David
  
  And, throw it I do and in respect of Architecture, I'm in it, up to my neck...

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• 15. At 10:07pm on 14 Jun 2009, funnyJoedunn wrote:

  Charlie (12)
  
  That the one Highgrove. Why did I get mixed up?

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• 16. At 10:13pm on 14 Jun 2009, funnyJoedunn wrote:

  Charlie (12)
  Further, it was meant as a term of endearment. But, I take your point.

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• 17. At 11:25pm on 14 Jun 2009, funnyJoedunn wrote:

  Charlie, More;
  
  I've been reflecting on being pulled up my "lack of respectful terminology". I am grateful to you for pointing this out. I have also reflected on some other recent posts of my own and found other places where it might be construed as slightly disrespectful - at least to me anyway. This is probably because there are disrespectful things in them. I hope to do better in the future in finding ways to express my opinions without disrespect but also being able to retain humour and descriptive truth when appropriate.
  
  Cheers,
  Me.

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• 18. At 10:11am on 15 Jun 2009, bankingballs wrote:

  Could PM please invite the editor of The Times in to explain his double standards, in regards to how he treats the BNP.
  
  In Saturday's Times there was a two page article on the BNP. As usual there was no right of reply offered to the BNP, but as BNP supporter, I know this is par for the course for the UK media - including the BBC.
  
  But three pages later in the same paper, there was printed a picture from Banky's new exhibition. This picture from this ex-building defacer, was intended to be a moslem woman, and was in throroughly bad taste, especially if it was bacon she was meant to be cooking in the frying pan she was holding - it certain wasn't a couple of fried eggs.
  
  Is it permitted to insult peoples faiths if you are earning plenty of money from it? Will his newspaper permit a more balanced coverage of the BNP if Nick Griffin earns a fortune from being an MEP? He certainly will have the opportunity to line his pockets from that crooked organisation.
  
  I bet the editor of the Times wouldn't have the guts to defend his paper's double standards on air.

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• 19. At 1:02pm on 15 Jun 2009, TerryS wrote:

  I was not overly impressed with the discussion (concerning the BNP) between the two neighbours (which I heard on Friday's PM programme). What struck me most was the naivety of the anti-BNP neighbour with regard to the problems created by mass immigration into this small overcrowded and overdeveloped country and his apparent belief that to vote for a political party it is necessary to support every single policy in its manifesto. Speaking as a floating voter, I do not agree with ALL the policies of any political party and so whichever party I vote for means my vote will be supporting some policies that I dislike or oppose. This is unavoidable, the only alternative is to abstain at every election!
  

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• 20. At 6:53pm on 19 Oct 2009, magicpresentation wrote:

  There must be millions like me that can't wait to see BNP leader
  Nick Griffin on question time,it will liven up the debate on this
  normally dull programme with the same old politicians churning out
  the same old tripe each week.

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• 21. At 7:53pm on 19 Oct 2009, Serangoon wrote:

  There really ought to be no need for the BNP in British politics and the only reason they are gaining increasing support from people who do not regard themselves as in any way racist is because all of the main political parties have been frightened to listen to the valid concerns of ordinary members of the public. If the wishy-washy, mealy-mouthed,soft-centred, self-serving liberal elite who govern us had any sense at all the likes of the BNP wouldn't exist. Until things change I say good luck to the creeps.

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• 22. At 9:36pm on 19 Oct 2009, ingeniousCliff wrote:

  Panorama went too far tonight by manufacturing a 'Racist' experience in order to protect itself re the upcoming Nick Griffen sideshow.
  Put any outsiders on that estate and they would be attacked, Albinos, Irish or Londoners. The estate was full of ferral imbeciles, we have loads to spare here in the overcrowded UK. My white English uncle had the same experience in an Asian area in the midlands. Its really terrible but we must be honest in the coverage. It was a transparent set up, of course the attacks were wrong but the BBCs motive??? Come on, how low can you go?

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• 23. At 11:18am on 20 Oct 2009, David_McNickle wrote:

  iC 22, I thought it was a bit manufactured as well, but the young people were horrible.

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