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Eddie Mair | 16:50 UK time, Wednesday, 8 April 2009

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The Glass Box is where the PM team meets in at 18.00 every weeknight to discuss the content of the programme. It's not by a pretty bridge, however.

We try to be honest with each other, but not hurtful, as we talk about what worked and what didn't...what met our expectations and what fell short.

This virtual glass box is where you're encouraged to take part in the same spirit. PM's editor Eloise Twisk will read your comments and may well add her own.

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  • 1. At 5:23pm on 08 Apr 2009, David_McNickle wrote:

    Anyone for bridge?

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  • 2. At 5:28pm on 08 Apr 2009, The Wrath Is Come wrote:

    How about Chess?

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  • 3. At 5:32pm on 08 Apr 2009, David_McNickle wrote:

    FIIIIIIIIIGHHHT!

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  • 4. At 5:37pm on 08 Apr 2009, magnaAnthony wrote:

    This is a week in which two people were prosecuted and jailed for impeding justice by witholding information they knew to be relevant to a shooting. We hope that Metropolitan Police officers will come forward to identify the riot control policeman who pushed Mr. Nicholson. Those several officers who were there and clearly saw the incident, know the man. He too knows what he did.

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  • 5. At 5:52pm on 08 Apr 2009, invincibleoldandwise wrote:

    Far too much time spent on the incident at the G20.

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  • 6. At 5:52pm on 08 Apr 2009, peterbolt wrote:

    As a life long Aston Villa supporter (over 60 years) I think the Bishop of Aston is being selective in his oppostion to Easter Sunday football at Villa Park
    The football match is timed for 2pm on Easter Sunday and will not clash with Church services.
    As for his "wider principal" he has no more right to dictate how I spend my lesuire time than I on how he spends his
    work time.
    For anyone familar with the area of Aston around Villa Park access is particularly easy in what is, in fact, a predominantly Asian area.

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  • 7. At 5:53pm on 08 Apr 2009, David_McNickle wrote:

    mA 4, And I'm sure he'll do the decent thing and come forward.

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  • 8. At 5:56pm on 08 Apr 2009, David_McNickle wrote:

    pb 6, What do you think about Randy Lerner, an American, being owner of Aston Villa? I ask because I come from Cleveland, Ohio and he also owns the Cleveland Browns.

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  • 9. At 5:58pm on 08 Apr 2009, Charlie wrote:

    D_M 7

    You may be right, after all, "he" appears to have come "forward" and struck an un-aware civilian in the rear.

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  • 10. At 6:07pm on 08 Apr 2009, normanmugabe wrote:

    Here's the story I remember about Mr. Blair Peach from thirty years ago: Mr. peach was a very tall gentleman. During the demo, he was hit on the head with a truncheon by a mounted police officer. Unfortunately, Mr. Peach had a thin skull. The blow killed him. End of story.
    I never knew until now people were still agitating for justice for Mr. Peach. I just assumed the story had been swept under the carpet and forgotten.

    Mr. Robert Peston has given an interview in the April issue of a monthly magazine. He says that in the coming months, peoples' pensions are going to be "halved".

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  • 11. At 6:16pm on 08 Apr 2009, penglish wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 12. At 6:41pm on 08 Apr 2009, peterbolt wrote:

    Reply to David Mc @8 (if the blog allows)
    He is well thought of.By far the best regarded amongst the many "foreign" owners. They range from Russian oligarchs to Arab Oil Sheiks,with a couple (or more) Carpet baggers thrown in, even an ex-PM of Thailand.
    Manchester Utd :Manchester City: Liverpool: Arsenal: Chelsea: all have had
    problems but not the "Villa".
    I might add Aston Villa was by no means a succesful club when he purchased it.
    He ended a commercial sponsorship deal and the logo on the shirts has been freely given to a Charity.
    He appointed a very popular (and knowledgeable) Manager and the team is thriving in the most competitive League in the world. In soccer that really is something
    All in all Villa fans are "Well satisfied" as the saying goes;
    Good luck David Mc

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  • 13. At 6:42pm on 08 Apr 2009, capncapncapn wrote:

    norma mugabe in the house! and he's being moderated, outrageous.

    FREE NORMAN MUGABE!

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  • 14. At 6:46pm on 08 Apr 2009, Hesiodos wrote:

    #4 Spot on!

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  • 15. At 7:18pm on 08 Apr 2009, gallantSocrates wrote:

    Having just watched the Channel4 news top story about Ian Tomlinson's death...all I can say is what do expect from one of the most ruthless 'One Party States' in the world (after Blair..he earned 400,000 pounds for one hours work this week in the Far East)....but wonderful news from the Falkland Islands the Land of my birth...according to Sukey Cameron in the Guardian today the Islands now have a 'Constitution'.... too my knowledge we don't (in written from), rather ironic don't you think?....but would it not be wonderful if the Archbishop of York had the intellect too understand that Religion and Nationalism was/were/is two of the most dangerous concepts ever invented by Man (Sunday Observer 5th 4 2009)...

    Brian V Peck

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  • 16. At 8:51pm on 08 Apr 2009, steelhal60 wrote:

    Football or Church....that's our choice! Forgive me if I decline both over writing a letter to my MP over the treatment of Ian Tomlinson before going to see 'Religulous' at the cinema.

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  • 17. At 08:39am on 09 Apr 2009, funnyJoedunn wrote:

    David McNickle

    Sorry everyone.

    Concerning the Ukulele thing on another thread; I think this is what I was thinking of when I asked about what Hawaiians play. However, that Hawaiian guitar looks an interesting thing though. I have been known to play both piano and guitar. However, I've been told I play both as if they are a set of drums.

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  • 18. At 10:10am on 09 Apr 2009, David_McNickle wrote:

    pb 12, I now follow Villa's results.

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  • 19. At 11:11am on 09 Apr 2009, philtblog wrote:

    Church vs football

    This is just an anachronism isn't it? The two events will be at different times so there can be no logical 'logistics' argument. This must be about doing something on a 'holy' day.

    I'm afraid religious people need to understand that their choices about what they believe are as important as anyone elses choice about what not to. There is no lawful reason not to have the match and no one belief system has legal precedence over another in this land of seperate state and church.

    G20 heart attack victim

    If anyone has done something wrong, used excessive force etc. then they should be punished. But having a heart attack because you are in a stressful situation is an unintended and hard to avoid situation and I think it would be a very dangerous precedent (and untrue) to start saying that a policeman caused this man's death if the same action would be exceptionally unlikely to have anywhere near the same outcome in another age, gender and ethnicity matched member of the population.

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  • 20. At 11:41am on 09 Apr 2009, funnyJoedunn wrote:

    One reason why we should, one reason why we shouldn't film police in the same week!

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  • 21. At 11:46am on 09 Apr 2009, philtblog wrote:

    FJD - I think that's such an interesting question!It's hard to make an absolute argument for or against our 'CCTV cuulture' as people often describe it, particularly when you see increased accountability coming from footage.

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  • 22. At 12:42pm on 09 Apr 2009, funnyJoedunn wrote:

    philtblog (21)

    I think the CCTV culture is a separate but related issue to unofficial filming. However, if you go to youtube and put in, 'The police-your friendly guides'. Watch the first clip. See what you think?

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  • 23. At 1:27pm on 09 Apr 2009, penglish wrote:

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the House Rules.

  • 24. At 1:40pm on 09 Apr 2009, Chris_Ghoti wrote:

    I don't believe that box is made of glass.

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  • 25. At 1:46pm on 09 Apr 2009, Big Sister wrote:

    Chris, I believe you are right. It's a sign of the times, isn't it? And yet another case of BBC deceit.

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  • 26. At 1:58pm on 09 Apr 2009, Lady Sue wrote:

    Chris and Big Sister: Charlie observed on another thread that it has Tardis-like qualities. Perhaps it's made from some 'alien' material and has been sent as a message from beings on another planet? All that investment in Space research paying off at last.

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  • 27. At 4:51pm on 09 Apr 2009, philtblog wrote:

    FJD 22 - I don't think you can easily seperate them, morally. If we demand that the state should not watch us without our permission, then surely we should ask the permission of anyone in footage we are about to shoot with a camera of any kind as well.

    If I don't want the state watching me, what makes you think I want Tom, Joe or Harry doing it? Particularly given that one of them might work for an organisation that will use the footage and be less accountable with it than the government will.

    With regard to the you tube link, it shows two police officers who were wrong about a law but behaving politely and responsibly. The guy filming was rude and verbally aggressive and they acted very professionally in the face of this but I agree they were wrong about the law which is the central point of the movie. I'm not sure what terrible outcome could occur from this scene. They were in error and were quickly corrected by their senior officer. I think there's a reasonable argument against filming police officers who can later be subjected to harrassment but my point is that I don't want anyone filming me at their whim, whether they are this guy who can cut, edit and publish footage which can discredit me, or the state doing it either. I wonder if he got the permission of the lad the Police were talking to...

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  • 28. At 5:39pm on 09 Apr 2009, funnyJoedunn wrote:

    Philtblog (27)

    First of all, the police entered this man's property and I felt the man raised reasonable and pertinent questions as he refused their request. I don't believe he was rude or verbally aggressive he used no threatening language, didn't swear and only as an explanation of why he was refusing their order to stop filming did he express how felt his human rights were being abused. I feel this was reasonable of him in the light of having his property and person ordered in this way when he had done no wrong.

    You say the police acted professionally.

    1. They ignored his request for their names when he asked them. this is a breach of the police procedure especially when they had accused him of breaking the law.
    2. One of the officers tried to accuse him of being disrespectful of her colleague which he denied three times to my count. Again, no apology.

    I think if the police desire the respect of people, they need to understand that we are not all potential criminals.

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  • 29. At 6:01pm on 09 Apr 2009, Chris_Ghoti wrote:

    FJD, To the police, everyone is a potential criminal; to a medic, everyone is a potential pathological study; to some wimmin, all men are potential rapists; and I expect that to a dentist, everyone has the potential to develop dental caries or ulceration of the gums.

    What the police need to do is not to behave as if rather than being *potential* criminals, everyone was *actually* criminal.

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  • 30. At 6:09pm on 09 Apr 2009, funnyJoedunn wrote:

    Philtblog (27 again)

    On reflection, and after some thought. I do feel there may be a case against filming the police for criminal purposes later. However, the police must be able to explain their action in this regard so as to be understandable to the man in the street. It should also be the last resort and not the first. In the case in the video, I can now see why this officer may have had a legitimate concern about the filming. However, I feel the approach must be one of a reconciling role rather than one of (as Chris Goti put so perfectly on another posting) an 'us' and 'them' society where we 'the public' are seen as no more than potential criminals and they 'the police' seen as no more than potential oppressors.

    Take your point though.

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  • 31. At 6:32pm on 09 Apr 2009, Chris_Ghoti wrote:

    Lady_Sue @ 26, since it clearly isn't resting on the ground, but hovering above it, "Space research" is right! :-)

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  • 32. At 7:14pm on 09 Apr 2009, Lady Sue wrote:

    Ah Chris, I take your point. Perhaps it was merely hovering prior to take off? [That's hovering as in space craft, not hovering as in vacuum cleaner].

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  • 33. At 8:17pm on 09 Apr 2009, Chris_Ghoti wrote:

    Lady_Sue @ 37, I used to have a cleaning-device that my Mama called a "hover-hoover". I called it "The Mekon".

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