Jeremy Clarkson's comments.
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C'mon, everybody on the bandwagon, sack him, fire him, tar and feather him, etc..... Who is Clarkson?
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I would like it to be known that I am not in any way related to Member of Parliament for Ipswich, Chris Mole although he could be related to my budgerigar. He is also bird brained.
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I believe Mr Moles party were responsible for UK security in 1996, maybe some MPs should go. At least it is good to know MPs have so little to do that they feel they are able to micromanage the BBC. Perhaps shows such as QI and Have I Got News For You, should watch out, though I suspect the second will be OK as so many MPs seem to like to appear on that one.
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Jeremys comments were not in anyway similar to thsoe made by Brand and Ross. They were not aimed at prostitutes and thus can not be said to have been directly offensive! The MP who "knew" it would upset his constituents is out of order. How does he know what they think.
The whole thing is being blown out of all proportion and is just the sickening onward march of political correctness!!
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Leave Clarkson alone. Yes his comments are dumb at times, but they are not malicious.
That Ipswich MP who thinks Clarkson shoule be sacked needs to grow up. Has he heard the names called at primary/secondary schools? Would have thought he has more serious things on his plate considering the state of the economy.
At this rate there will be no freedom of speech!!
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STOP! This is getting ridiculous. The reason the Andrew Sachs thing was out of order was because Brand and Ross were caught harassing and bullying a member of the public. Contrary to the BBC's defence of the programme, Clarkson's joke is funny because it has its roots in the truth. The two most prolific serial killers of the last thirty years in the UK have been lorry drivers. This may well be down to chance, but it's true, and the comment is only funny and pertinent because of that. No one has been assaulted by this joke and the BBC needs to stand firm behind its talent.
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Well, as an avid watcher of top gear, I think he's said a lot worse than calling truck drivers 'Prostitute murderers'!!
Everything he says, he says as a joke, something to keep the show humourous; he bent a trombone in half on the sport relief special, I myself play the trombone but I wasn't on the phone to the Beeb straight away to complain about his actions, I thought it was very funny!
So if anyone thinks that this is an outrage, they are either incredibly easily insulted or insecure!
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Clarkson usually tries to push the boat out with his comments but he's harmless enough. Probably paid far too much.
I'm in two minds about his silly comment - he was trying to be funny but it was in poor taste.
However, this all smacks slightly of witch-hunting. Brand and Ross have had their wrists slapped (even sacking them wont dint their budgets for a while) - is the Mary Whitehouse collective consciousness looking for someone else to burn?
BTW: Eddie - you really got stuck into 'your man' who stupidly said he knew "what people thought" - remind me never, ever to cross you in an argument. You are leathel sabre toothed tiger vocal weapon. Are you like this at dinner parties?
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I support Chris Mole on this. Or is the reputation of one person (Andrew Sach's granddaughter) more important than the death of 5 people just because they are prostitues? They were people as well with families who cared.
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Wow, at last...... people must have been very excited by the Honourable Member's comments on JC. Couldn't get on the blog!
I think the BBC should sack anyone and everyone. Furthermore, they should not produce any programmes that have ANY possibility of making ANYONE feel even remotely uncomfortable. Stick to the Celebrity Ice Come Dancing in the Jungle format - no chance of anyone being upset with something like that. No chance of anyone having to think at all either!
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Unfortunately for the MP for Ipswich I wasn't offended by Mr Clarkson's comments either. Whatever the press coverage of the Ipswich murders was at the time, I hadn't realised that Steve Wright was a lorryist. I thought he used to have an afternoon show on Radio 1 years ago?
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This is crazy.
Even if I accepteded that Clarkson made a mistake with him comments, then in effect what the labour MP for Ipswich is saying is that one mistake should cost you your job. That in itself is crazy.
However the fact that we have not had any complaints from any relatives of the murdered prostitutes says to me that he did nothing wrong. Imagine the Ross/Brand situation but if Andrew Sachs had not been bothered and was happy to let it be aired.
Clarkson has a certain reputation and anyone who tunes in to Topgear should expect him to make silly and often tactless comments. They should even expect to be occaisionally offended. There is nothing wrong with being offended occasionally you know. It's part of life.
If you don't like Clarkson the solution is simple, don't watch the show. But do not under any circumstances try to dictate to the rest of us, the majority, what we should watch and what we should be entertained by.
We live in a free country with freedom of speach. Get over yourselves.
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Well you could have a go at him for driving fast cars as speeding is a major cause of deaths apparently. With all of the driving he does he must have a big carbon footprint which means that Jeremy is causing the ocean to rise drowning thousands every year in the flood plains of Bangladesh and India. He usually targets caravans so he seems to be boxing at a higher weight. The MP whose name I forget will probably be referred to as NFN soon. If Brand and Ross had been dealt with quickly then this latest fad for demanding the sacking of presenters wouldn't have gathered a head of steam. We will probably see more of this.
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Chris Mole knows what offends his constituents? Experience tells me most MPs and elected officials opinions stop at their own.
Maybe its my age (a mere 25) but the BBC hasn't offended me since they decided that must want to watch celebrities dancing on primetime saturday night.
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I was offended by what the MP for Ipswich said. Can he be sacked now?
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It was just "Jeremy being Jeremy"? Well the MP for Ipswich was just "a nanny-state socialist being a nanny-state socialist", which I personally find incredibly offensive. I am not surprised that people of his ilk try to do Clarkson down - he is one of the few remaining people in the media who tell it how it is, and show these thought police- types up for what they are.
I dearly hope that Clarkson goes out of his way to stand behind his comments - which weren't particularly funny, but he has a right to say them.
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I find it quite worrying that Chris Mole, or any other MP, should feel he can express the views of his constituents without being prompted by them to do so. He is giving his own opinion and nothing more. Jeremy Clarkson is known for his provocative statements, most of which are very 'tongue in cheek'.
Whilst I felt that Brand and Ross overstepped a mark I certainly do not think that Clarkson did so. If we continue down the route of sacking anybody who says something that offends a small minority of the licence payers we will be left with nothing but the weather forecast, and I'm sure they will be someone who objects to that!
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A simple test of whether this is all a storm in a tea cup would be to say how many people complained before the complaints themselves were the news story. As with the Brand/Ross item, I suspect a huge number of people heard about the remarks, decided it was terrible, and complained. But without having heard the programme in question.
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Mr Mole was quite right. Clarkson is NOT a wonderful funny guy , but a totally insensitive bad influence on the population at large.He is not a decent role model, and together with the other silly unpleasant chaps who have recently disgraced themselves, it would be good to see the back of him. Only someone with no empathy could find his remarks funny, and only fools think he is clever. We have enough carnage on our roads without the sort of thing he encourages with his TV show, too. Get rid of him.
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Them mods have got it in for you. A perfectly harmless comment and all in the best possible taste.
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Whilst I did not find Jeremy Clarkson's joke funny, I do find it interesting that people get so worked up about comments from him and comments / jokes similar to his.
The majorty of jokes have a "target" and there are some targets which do not even raise an eyebrow.
For instance, it seems to be perfectly acceptable to say whatever you like, in almost any way that you like, about the creator of man, the earth and the universe, and his son Jesus Christ - who loved us enough to die for our sins.
Why do comments on almost any other subject manage to elicit a response from "Angry of Cheltenham," but nothing when it comes to our creator - whom we will all meet one day (soon).
This is not a "religious complaint" merely a comment upon false standards.
Jeremy Clarkson's comments should not in any way be censored or criticised when other, far worse, comments are not even "commented" upon.
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Jeremy might be a buffoon but he's usually very funny, whilst the honourable member for Ipswich only manages the former.
Jeremy gets my vote
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what a complete idiot!
No not Jezza but the 'MP' who hadn't been contacted by the famlies he purported to represent and seriously thinks his 15 minutes of fame is better spent talking about this than global economic meltdown, war in Iraq, war in Afghanistan etc..irresponsible!
He should hang his head in shame - shame he can't be sacked!
I would like the controller of Radio four to explain why this alleged MP was allowed on under false pretenses of representing people who hadn't contacted him - shame the interviewer didn't do a better job of asking him why he wasn't using the time to talk about things that matter!
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just listened to the Labour MP
Wow how low he will go in pursuit of PC
and improved rateings.
I bet if you put it out that 3 people had complained about a ficticious broadcast some people would claim they were offended by it and complain and that would spark off all the other serial compainers who think they were offended by nothing as well we seem to live in a controle freakish society now where anyone who says anything or even nothing is held to account for their conduct if MPs were scrutinised to this degree then we would have an election every few months.
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I have been a truck driver for 32 years now and up to the present time I have managed to get away with not murdering anyone.I am in no way offended by Jeremy Clarksons remarks as I have the wit to take them for what they are.Its a pity that the m.p for Ipswich has not more important band waggons to jump on and get a life.
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Well Done Geremy Clarkson.
The PC brigade should find something useful to do, instead of trying to dictate to the rest of us what we should watch, and say.
As far as the MP for Ipswich is concerned, he should worry about the impression his John Lewis receipts give to the public, instead of trying to pontificate on Jeremy Clarkson.
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Chris mole is a complete idiot and and has no more knowledge about his people than i do about where Tiawan is
I, being a fan of top gear, am appauled at even the suggestion of Jeremy Clarkson being sacked. the people of Ipswich dont take any offence from it the just, like me, see it as 'dark' humour. However, with the case of Jonnathon Ross, that was a lewd sexual 'joke' and was rarther inapropriate but i feel sorry for the people who are complaining about these things because the clearly have nothing better to do. GET A LIFE!!!!!!!!
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The difference seems to me to have been that Clarkson's rather stupid remarks were not personal comments about an individual, aimed (in both senses of the word) at another individual, both by name.
It's named-person attacks that are really objectionable, I would have thought.
(This comment will shortly vanish under a *huge* mass of posts, and if Eddie is really lucky the thread will soon be too large for me to open at all, so I thought I'd get in there sharpish before it was too late...)
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It's an interesting point that politicians aren't sacked for being 'economical with the truth', royals aren't made to apologise for racist 'faux pas' on foreign trips and greedy bankers aren't prosecuted for what amounts to state sanctioned theft yet Clarkson's 'embarrassing uncle' act leads to cries of 'sack him'. Isn't it just the case that the people who own newspapers and media transmission companies would rather our enquiring minds were diverted by the 'shiny things' of celebrity immaturity than by the seriously criminal actions of some of our politicians and their financiers. It should be a note of hope for Jeremy Clarkson that Peter Mandelson is back with his nose in the government gravy trough. Consider the rapidly spinning media mill fully 'gristed'.
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'Jeremy being Jeremy' this is the defence?
I am not offended by his comments but this is a wholly unacceptable defence.
Otherwise Ross being Ross would have worked recently.
In the week after the Ross/Brand Radio show there were 2 (two) complaints - until the press got involved! and their comments were made post-watershed.
Last count 500 plus complaints about Clarkeson with no tabloid help. And Top Gear is a pre-watershed show.
The whole situation is maddness, re-instate Ross and leave Clarkeson alone and maybe just maybe common sense with prevail - but i doubt it.
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Two things-
The comment, we hadn't linked it with Steve Wright anyway. Of course, now they've complained about it the link has been created and cemented hasn't it. Whose fault is that?
And of the MP. 'Comedy about serial killers shouldn't be allowed.' 'So what is OK then?' 'well, every case needs to be judged seperately.'
O... K...
Which one was it then?
Let's hope this stays as the storm in a teacup it ought to be.
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So what now? No jokes about plane crashes, terrorists, politicians, the weather or anything else that kills people.
It's an essential part of the BBC's job to defend us poor delicate souls from pontificating protectors of taste such as Mr Mole.
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Yes, um, Mr Mole...you said cancer is a subject that we can make jokes about...presumably it's not something that has affected you or relatives at all.
I am positively sure that cancer sufferers would hate to have jokes about cancer on TV...I have not spoken to any about this but I have met some in the past so I kow what they would think. Sound familiar?
There are thousands of subjects that a joke could be made of that would be 'offensive' to some one but do you know what is more offensive? A Prime Minister lying to the government about weapons of mass destruction, banks hoarding OUR tax-payers money that YOU have given to them. I haven't seen or heard you say anything about sacking of the people involved in these or asking for our money back.
So, Mr Mole, you can take this as a direct comment from someone affected: please write to the banking industry and ask them to pass on the interest rate cuts to us OR tell them you will ask for MY tax money back.
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What a pompous pratt is Mole the MP. If he can't understand the difference between Clarkson's manner of humiliating sterotypes and outright bigotry, then he has no right to be an elected member. I suppose it's better for the Labour Disaster Party that we are deflected onto such comment rather than on their poor dealings of state.
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Should Jeremy be sacked for his comments?
Well lets think.
Did he drastically reduce the value of my pension? No
Did he take the country into an illegal war with a poorly funded UK army and cause the death of thousands of Iraqis? No
Did he spend billions of tax payers money in ill thought out and failed government IT projects? No
Did he get 'sacked' 2 or 3 times and then given his job back? No
Has he failed to control UK banking? No
Has he made decisions that have virtually broken up the UK and then tried to invent methods to bring it back together? No
Did he overspend by a factor of 10 on the Scottish parliament? No
Has he disenfranchised Englishmen? No
Did he lie to enable us to suffer the olympics? No
Is he lining his pocket by running our Olympic 'effort' No
Is he a politician? No
Does he make us laugh? Uncontrollably
Do politicians make us laugh? No they make us weep
Keep Jeremy, sack that twit from Ipswich that I screamed at whilst driving home.
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You appeasers. Such a braindead gag is ok in a private bar or with mates. Can you work it out that it is different when open to all ears on air? You may like JC, but think about responsible broadcasting. I do not say 'sack him' but control the backward twit.
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Well done Eddie. Your handling of Ipswich MP, Chris Mole was superb. I consider myself to be a calm person but I was shouting expletives at the radio, as I drove home.
What a sad, dreich world we would live in if killjoys like CM, MP were allowed to have their way. There is a huge difference between the Woss/Wussell cruel prank, and Clarkson's tasteless joke.
I imagine the prostitutes of Ipswich are thrilled to have CM, MP as their champion!
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How can an MP be so out of touch?
We dont need Chris Mole telling us what we can say and not say.
JC is just trying to entertain us, this MP actually wants to control what people can say.
Yes there are limits but this event is nothing like the direct attack made by Ross and Brand. If we cant speak hypothetically and not directed at an individual then we have just gained one more reason to leave this country which is being changed for the worst by people like Chris Mole
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I was shocked and appauled to hear from Mr Clarkson that all lorry drivers are serial killers. Please pass my message of support to the MP for Ipswich.
On second thoughts don't bother...he clearly doesn't understand humour, so I suspect the concept of sarcasm may be lost on him too!
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I've never heard of this MP before and maybe this is his effort to remedy that. Sadly, this self-indulgent, self-righteous individual has been very foolish to try to leap on a bandwagon that doesn't exist, making him appear nothing more than a hapless oaf. Anyone who looks to Jeremy Clarkson for guidance on etiquette or social conformity on Top Gear is lacking judgement and to claim he was denigrating HGV drivers or showing insensitivity to the residents of Ipswich merely advertises an inability to identify the point of the programme. Rather than the BBC losing one of its few assets, perhaps Ipswich should consider replacing their MP with someone who has something worthwhile to dedicate his time to on their behalf. Mr Mole must be a tea drinker (see Clarkson's latest Sunday Times column).
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There is very little to laugh at in the UK at the moment, thanks largely to Christopher Mole and the rest of the New Labour clowns. I suggest he keeps quite and thinks about what he and his type has done to this country.
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Why the surprise - a programme by phillistines for phillistines?
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What an idiot that Chris Mole is, jumping on the "sack a BBC presenter" bandwagon.
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Ddianes911 (10): "Stick to the Celebrity Ice Come Dancing in the Jungle format".
Ever thought of pitching that to ITV or Channel 4? They're always on the lookout for a way to boost ratings... :D
Even better: "Celebrity Dancing And Singing on Ice Castaway on a Jungle Love Island" - or if you really wanted to increase their ratings add "...filled with flesh-eating zombies."
There - can anyone add any more genres of reality show before Peter Kay turns it into another parody?
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I think Clarkson should be sacked, but not necessarily because of these comments.
Clarkson is neither funny, entertaining or information.
If he is not taken off air at least maybe now he will learn not to be such an idiotic show off.
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Clarkston another overpaid smart alec what happened to standards - loutish behaviour like this should be severly reprimaned not doubt we will get another sorry
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I was not offended by Jeremy Clarkson's comment - I didn't hear it. I actively avoid Top Gear - Jeremy Clarkson is the reason why I avoid what could otherwise be a good TV programme.
He behaves like an unchecked schoolboy bully by picking on groups of people (apparently at random) and ridiculing them without justification. He is arrogant and seems to believe that anyone who does not agree with his opinion is to be utterly despised. I am in favour of difference and discussion, but not domination or oppression.
I have not complained about Jeremy Clarkson in the past, I just avoid the programme. However, a ‘joke’ about mass murder (which I heard about from the news) cannot, in my opinion, ever be a joking matter.
I feel the question of whether Jeremy Clarkson should be sacked or not is irrelevant, if comment sense had prevailed and he had been removed from the public’s view years ago, he would not have been on the TV recently to make this utterly tasteless remark.
The MP for Ipswich’s inability to defend his corner was unfortunate.
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Are we now going to have to debate every joke made on the BBC?
OK: Poor taste. 3/10 for funny quotient. (But Clarkson`s become an overpaid parody of himself. Top Gear`s just Chuckle Brothers with a bigger budget.)
And can Georgina Baillie please make up her mind.
Women eh? (I know, I`ll get my coat.)
http://www.nowmagazine.co.uk/celebrity-news/tv-news/280580/georgina-baillie-jonathan-ross-shouldn-t-have-been-suspended/1/
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Chris Mole is not representative of the people of Ipswich, although, unfortunately, he is elected to represent us as our MP!
I was unaware of all the work that he has done to 'rebuild the Ipswich community' - and I live here. I rarely hear of anything that he does/says until today, when I am happily listening to PM and he comes on sounding completely ridiculous. I have never heard him comment on more serious matters.
Of course Clarkson says all sorts of silly things, but means general offence to all - not to a specific minority who may deliberately set out to be offended. Jeremy is generally boorish, but never to be taken seriously and certainly does not need an MP of dubious quality to call for his dismissal!
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I happily pay my license fee and enjoy Top Gear, Jeremy Clarkson is funny and yes is provocative at times but he is only one of three presenters. The other presenters pull him up when he steps too far.
What I took from the item in question is that Lorry Drivers benefit from consideration on the road and rather than a sanctimonious public information film we got Clarkson, May and Hammond being silly but delivering an important road safety message.
Throughout the programme Clarkson made jibes at a number of groups, including a flippant reference to Richard Hammond's serious accident.
How do I complain to the BBC that I enjoyed the programme?
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I wonder how many of the posts that are still being moderated as I type contain the words 'get a life!' or variants on that phrase....
... and so I do wish the outrage expressed about these things could be a bit more *original* in its expression! People who are complaining about small minds and not being able to cope with originality really ought to avoid writing in cliches themselves, I feel.
(but we still don't seem to have anyone saying '...then so be it', thank goodness!)
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I'm confused here.
Jeremy C has accused lorry drivers as a group of murdering prostitutes.
I am not aware of complaints from any lorry drivers.
I am not aware that his comments have resulted any campaign to make life safer for prostitutes.
But we do have an MP who thinks that it is his job to keep information about prostitutes being murdered by lorry drivers away from members of the public.
Top marks to Eddie for the interview.
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Clarkson's a t1t; he always has been; it's the TV persona he's known for. Unless my understanding of the law is deficient, his remarks were not criminal, nor did they constitute persecution of an individual. I'm not that much more keen on him than on Mr Ross, and I probably prefer Mr Brand. But I'd still defend Clarkson against the other two: totally different situation.
Oh, and I agree with Eddie's response to the "I know what they're thinking" comment. Now that WAS insensitive, Mr Mole!
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I'm looking forward to Jeremy doing some MP jokes on Top Gear.
Maybe if the media is to be sensored by the outraged perhaps we should go a step further and make a 2 week news blackout in the reporting of any similar complaints. This would identify the number of people who actually heard the item and found it offensive. A quite distinct group from those people who seem to actively want to be offended as if they didn't hear it originally, they couldn't possibly have been offended until they went looking, could they?
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'Clarkson's manner of humiliating stereotypes'. 34.
Really? I thought he was clodhopping through a chavvy gag. I take it back he is an enigmatic and original Role Model.
Somebody please shout 'The Emperor has no clothes on'.
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The MP for Ipswich today did little more than to link the comments to the town he complained had worked so hard to get over the awful incidents.
Perhaps he should have listened to your article yesturday with Hazel Blears where she noted that many members of the public thought that politicians were in it for themselves. Presumably the Mole has had his 15 seconds of fame, and despite not talking to any of the victims, and 'knowing' how they feel will scurry back into his hole and be quiet?
This is nothing like the Brand Ross episode, and to put the two in the same boat is rediculous. This is a non-story that has failed to get going despite his protestations on the PM show!
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The saddest thing is that Chris Mole MP is a trustee and supporter of Somebody's Daughter - the charity that was set up in the memory of the five murdered ladies to support vulnerable women in Ipswich.
Today the Ipswich Evening Star reported that Felixstowe traders had raised £500 towards the safe house for vulnerable women. It is a pity he chose to use the time to voice what he reckoned to be the opinions of the community and not take an opportunity to say, "Look where we've come as a town! We're not bothered by the comment but prostitutes continue to be vulnerable to all sorts of crime as we found out two years ago. Let's not forget that."
Instead he just made an idiot of himself and showed himself to be out of touch with many of his constituents.
JC does behave like a clot - we couldn't remember at work whether it was him or Ricky Gervais that came up with the "more dead birds in Suffolk" quip after the bird flu thing. That was more insensitive than the lorry drivers murdering prostitutes quote.
I took the Top Gear sequence as a whole to be challenging the assertion that lorry drivers are sat around all day behaving like road hogs. The film showed that, actually, there is an awful lot more involved than driving my car. He used an unfortunate phrase but it has given me a new found understanding and respect for the lorryists who pound up and down the A14.
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How is this news? In many ways it sounded like an invitation to complain. Is the currency of laughter also to be 'crunched' in these straitened times?
The world is a tough place, times are hard. Some of us like to unwind from our part in trying to cope with this or right the wrongs of the world by listening to a comedian of our choice.
We will make a conscious decision to switch on to their programme, and enjoy the shared humour they spin for our entertainment, because we know what they're like, and we enjoy what they do.
So why do I switch on the news today and hear an invitation to complain, about one such comedian? Why do I hear a recording by him on the news, a likely outcome to swell the complaints tenfold?
This is a witch hunt.
Who's next? Jim Dale? Bernard Manning?
Can't we have a laugh in private any more using the channel which is subsidised by my license fee? If Jezza loses his job over this, I am not renewing it.
Jezza, you are ace!
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I'm not particularly a fan of mr Clarkson although he can be very funny and sometimes even talks sense. As far as his joke about truckers murdering prostitutes, no-one in our household watching the show made the connection with the Ipswich case- until now! We assumed the reference was a generic one derived from numerous hitcher type movies and real world events. Of course we now know better. Mr Mole can clearly read minds as he claims he "knows" what other people think without asking them. I presume this is why he "knew" Mr Clarkson was referring to the Ipswich murders specifically with his comments. I feel sorry for the victims families and any distress which may have been caused by this latest media storm but would lay the blame solely at the door of the MP for creating an issue that didn't exist before he jumped on the current bandwagon. Mr Cole should be apologising to these families for his ill-thought out actions in my view.
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I heard Jeremy's broadcast and may be going deaf but I didn't hear any mention of Ipswich.
I'd never heard of Mr Mole before who is clearly nothing more than a self publicist - I suggest he just goes quietly back into his hole before he faces more ridicule.
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Clarkson for PM, that will sort out MP's with no sense of humour, he'd have them all shot, especially the nannies,
The camera's would all disappear
So would the speed limits and silly signs, bus lanes, tax on fuel, Traffic cops, foreign lorries, and on... and on...
He gets my vote.
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Like the majority of politicians, the member for Ipswich is simply attempting to achieve political gain to his own advantage by jumping on the Brand/Ross bandwagon. But, he'll never be a 100th as popular as Jeremy Clarkson.
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Lady Sue made me laugh earlier with her remark:-
"BTW: Eddie - you really got stuck into 'your man' who stupidly said he knew "what people thought" - remind me never, ever to cross you in an argument. You are leathel sabre toothed tiger vocal weapon. Are you like this at dinner parties?
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However Chris Mole deserved every bit of it. I like others think he's merely jumping on the bandwagon - post Ross/Brand affair.
I'm not sure the story was relevant enough to bother with.
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Dear Sir,
This evening I was irritated enough by the MP for Ipswich to make my first contact with the BBC. These issues regarding taste are going too far and need to be checked unless we are to live in an eternally grey world. Jeremy Clarkson made a typically silly joke about truckers on Sunday this all needs to be taken in the context of the Top Gear show which is always a hoot and a highlight of the week for my family. The MP is the one who needs to resign as he has clearly lost touch with reality. Did you ever hear the one about the PM, the Bishop and the actress? Well you never will if Mr Boring PM for Ipswich is in charge.
Regards
Grant Shaw
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As Victor Meldrew would say "I don't believe it!"
Jeremy Clarkson makes flippant and light hearted comments about most things, including his guests, colleagues and most importantly, himself. He takes nothing too seriously. The one thing he is not is politically correct and thank god for that!
This whole issue has, as usual, been blown out of all proportion. Jeremy Clarkson did not, as the Press association states, make objectionable comments about prostitutes but made lighthearted fun of the lorry driver stereotype, overweight, Yorkie Bar eating and yes the murderers of prostitutes. (Lets be honest two of the most high profile serial killers in recent times were indeed lorry drivers).
Mr Clarkson should not be punished for something he has not done.
The freedom of speech and yes the freedon to mock must be upheld.
Mr Moles and others who think like him really should get a grip and get off the bandwagon!!
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I think the white jacket was offensive.
But generally he did not do anything illegal. The actions described where improbable. It did not involve any readily available weapons or easily immitigable actions.
However, his humour is terrible but that is just my view. But I do not think he pushes any boundaries that have not already been broken on the BBC. He is a follower.
But after free tickets to one of his live events. I will never watch him by choice again. But I did watch this one online just to see.
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(66) Whoops! try - imitable.
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Well, I'm no fan of Mr. C - quite the reverse, but while this joke was in poor taste, it is not a sacking offence.
And there would be little point in asking him to apologise - I mean, can you imagine it?
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its a waste of anyones time to take any critiscm of Clarkson seriously unless one has a political point to persue and then it is merely posing
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I'm from Ipswich, and have the unfortunate and misguided Mr Mole as an MP; may I say I have had no trauma, no sense of "community" pulling together (or indeed the need to). Rather than sacking Clarkson for being entertaining, can we please sack the pompous idiot who (doesn't) represent me, or have any idea what the people of Ipswich may be thinking. Please.
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Clarkson was funny, Ross and Brand were spiteful and nasty!
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Sack him. He along with others is taking standards down to an all time low. He knows very well what he is doing he is a professional presenter. He should go or else we should stand by for the floor falling out of any standards of behaviour
The arrogance of these overpaid people is astonishing. Does this fool think evoking memories of Peter Sutcliffe is funny and laddish humour. Sack him, lets see him laugh that off.
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what a fool the honourable gentleman is! Clarkson is funny! how long before breathing is stopped under absurd PC laws!???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
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Admittedly Clarkson's comments were in bad taste and insensitive but so have been James Whale's and Bernard Matthew's...and the list could go on...When did bad taste result in sacking!!! What happened to democracy?
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Jeremy is the only reason I watch Top Gear. If you're offended by his comments don't watch it, it's that simple. If your proud you have an opinion on the subject take real thought abount the question "what sort of opinions are we going to get to form if we sack everyone who says anything somebody doesn't like?"
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pocketpoet 70, well put!
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Mr. Mole, you presumably feel you have not been getting enough publicity recently. The shallowness of your actions is shown by your claim on PM to 'know' what people feel without even talking to them. Stop trying to create a bandwagon so you can increase your visibility. If you are serious about the plight of sex workers, why not get on board with an organisation such as STOP THE TRAFFIK, instead of this pointless grandstanding.
Of course Clarkson's comments were tasteless. If you want tasteful television that doesn't occasionally make you wince, watch something else.
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It's a huge shame that Brand and Ross's idiocy has let the sense of humour police out of their box again.
Human being always have - and always will - laugh at tragedy as a way of dealing with it and that twit of a politician should just lighten up.
I for one am going to continue laughing at cancer, serial killers, disability, skin colour and all sorts of other so-called sensitive or 'offensive' subjects...
But only in the privacy of my own home, of course, which we've just designated a politically correct free zone.
We'll be burning books next.
Keep it up, Jeremy please. Some of us have to stand up and stem the politically correct tide.
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Chris Mole is a self righteous, hand wringing, interfering, politically correct busybody. (a typical politician?) All that about "rebuilding the community" is complete rubbish. I suspect the vast majority of the population of Ipswich rarely give the prostitute murders a second thought and only a very few will care about Jeremy's comments.
I am sick of MP,s trying to regulate every aspect of my life, what I watch, what I eat and probably what I am allowed to think. Chris, if you don't like a TV program, switch it off, go and do something useful and get a life.
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It is obviously apparent (in my opinion) that Mr. Chris Mole is a cretin. Is he really naive enough to believe that he can curry up local support for his ailing party by associating comical references made by Mr. Clarkson to his constituents?
Perhaps Jeremy should stand as a candidate at the next local elections in Ipswich.
Maybe the BBC should sack Jeremy Clarkson, in fact why not sack anyone with an ounce of talent who operates "close to the edge" in order to avoid any future faux pas?
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surely the makers of wire in the blood and other dramas should be sacked for reminding us about serial killers ?
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I'm not much of a fan of Clarkson. 'Top Gear' can be funny at times but is usually just a boring rerun of what they did last week, last month or last year. And there is no comparison to be drawn between this incident and Brand and Ross.
The joke was in bad taste - but that doesn't stop it being funny. 'Mock the Week' would be about three minutes long if they removed all the material that someone could deem as bad taste.
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I do enjoy watching TG, mainly for the general banter. I watched it on Sunday, and while I thought the comment was probably poor taste, I hadn't linked it at all with the horrifying events of two years ago in Ipswich. After all, the murders were committed when the Wright was working as a Forklift driver. I don't seem to remember any coverage of him being a Lorry driver. I think the MP in question may be trying to ride the tails of the Brand/Ross events.
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RJM 2, I had a substitute teacher in high school named Mr Brown who was replacing Mr Browning. He said that he was better because he was already Brown while our regular was only Browning.
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As a "Lorryist" for the last 28 years, I was very pleased with the way Jeremy got across some of the problems lorryists face in traffic - a bit of consideration goes a long way! I have spoken to many other lorryists about the programme, and everyone so far has found it very amusing, although the M.P. had a few of us shouting at the radio. Sack the M.P.
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I want to complain to the BBC about Kate and Odd Billie laughing while teasing threatened red squirrels and another oik scaring a conger eel by shining a light in its eyes and making horrible noises to try to get it to come out in the open for all to see on Autumnwatch. Why not just poke it with a stick? They wasted about half the program with this nonsense. They should grow up! Fire them! Kate is quite nice looking, though....
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RJM 20, They must have changed their minds when I wasn't watching.
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Do we elect MPs to act as moral thought police? Perhaps when they get the basics right such as schooling, healthcare and economics - we can debate whether we need them to spend time dictating what constitutes as acceptable humour.
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I simply don’t understand the MP from Ipswich. If presenters or comedians were to analyse everything they said and were to only speak if they were sure they were not going to offend anybody at all, we would all be in for some extremely boring entertainment. These people are behaving and acting the way they have always done on their shows. If you don’t like the type of humour then use the remote control and watch something else. The one thing that stands out to me about the recent cases with respect to Russell Brand and Jonathon Ross and now the Jeremy Clarkson case are the number of people who have raised their complaints after the event has been publicised. I am quite sure that the majority of people are simply jumping on the bandwagon.
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I think J Clarkson has an unfortunate method of delivery: his seemingly scant regard for things that require carefull thought (eg environmental considerations) are dismissed out of hand. I don't think he's comical. His jokes are always at someone else's expense (never his own) this equals a big bully in my book.
Some people sadly admire bullies as many of your listeners appear to. When the object of their admiration is threatened, they go into attack mode as demonstrated with the attacks on the MP for Ipswitch. I can't understand this myself, but there you go, we're all different.
I found Clarksons references to murdering prostitutes extremely offensive, not funny or clever in the least; far worse than the Ross / Brand issue which was bad taste but occurred v late at night to a minority radio audience; not main time TV with an audience of 1000's, that especially targets young men.
Like it or not (and I don't) Clarkson is a role model, especially for young impressionable men: he should recognise this more responsibly and think about the concequences before he opens his cavernous mouth. I believe the BBC should not endorse his cavalier attitude by defending his recklessness as humour.
I think that rather than sacking him, Clarkson should present, on Top Gear, a sympathetic and sensitive piece on the pathetic lives of real prostitutes. (with his fees going to the Ipswitch Women's Refuge). Now that would be challenge for him!
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My viewpoint is that Clarkson, Ross and
Brand are EMPLOYEES of the BBC.
If I made comments like that at my work, I would face the sack. We do not pay them to have their own carte blanche vehicle to propel their own viewpoints. They must adhere to a framework of decency. This is not their own livingroom but a national broadcast
With regards to sense of decency then, surely its good fun that youths throw stones or eggs at windows, after all they are only being youths, and Clarkson was only being Clarkson
A newspaper would not get away with it, so why should a “Celebrity” or I prefer TV Personality as the dictionary definition of a Celebrity is a celebrated personality.
Anyway, I fear that the “edgy” line they are all trying to push is maybe becoming to close.
I don’t find swearing at all funny, I can do it myself if I want.
Give them all a warning, look at what’s really happening in the world, the Duchess of York programme on treatment of mental health children in Turkey.
Give these clowns a warning and a reminder that we employee them, they DO NOT CALL the shots
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Whatever the consequences of Clarkson's latest rant, he has no place as the BBC's "flagship" broadcaster on motoring. His immature boy-racer, petrol-head tendencies run totally contrary to sensible behaviour relating to safety and fuel-economy/climate change in motoring.
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On a recent episode of TG, Clarkson mocked the "cocks" who wear Breitling watches with a "pully outy thing" (sic)transmitter.
As a wearer of such a device (what a pity Steve Fosset's one couldn't help him) I felt humiliated - oooh all for about a nonosecond - before I chuckled away at the program that is one of the best things on TV.
Clarkson's humour, as has been said, is about poking fun at the stereotype. It catches you off guard when you find yourself reflected in it. Then you think about it, then you (should) laugh at yourself.
The brilliance of that piece was how it made your realise, at the same time as laughing your socks off, how much more difficult it is than you'd think to drive a truck. In my view it was neither offensive nor malicious.
I dare say Mr Mole wears a watch with a "pully outy thing" too because he's as much of a cock as I probably am.
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Since Chris Mole MP seems able to claim, without bothering to ask them, that the families of murdered prostitutes are offended by this, I just want to point out (without having bothered to ask them) that 99% of the population are behind Clarkson, and mant Mr Mole to resign forthwith.
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skintnick 92, I think you may have miss understood the whole idea of JC / RM / The hamster and Top Gear. It is not about sensible behaviour relating to safety and fuel-economy/climate change in motoring. etc (wot ever that is). It is about humour!
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I think trying to get clarkson sacked is going way to far. If people do not like his comments then do not watch the show. Just over a thousand complaints is nothing to the population that watch the show anyway. Topgear is the best program on the BBC.
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Some people seem to forget that Clarkson has also done some superb documentaries showing his interest, passion and understanding of other subjects than cars.
His documentary about the Victoria Cross showing the bravery of many people including his father-in-law.
The documentary on the 'Greatest Raid' in WW2 showing the ingenuity and bravery of human beings. His enthusiasm and genuine awe at what those men do showed him to be more than a glib, loud-mouth petrol head.
His documentary on Isambard Kingdom Brunel, to some not exactly rivetting (*cough*) viewing but to some of us fascinating.
He puts across more true passion for subjects than alot of the 'expert' presenters we have
Clarksons persona on Top Gear and to an extent in his newspaper columns are a slight act for those outlets.
He can be very serious when he wants to be.
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Why stop at Clarkson? While we’re on a roll, why not purge the BBC of anyone who is controversial, edgy, or likely to “offend”. Then let’s see if we’re all happy to pay the license fee for a completely sanitised BBC.
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sprinter67 post 91: we do indeed employ these people. We are a democratic country and the overriding view on this subject seems to be that Clarkson is OK.
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3Dots: I hardly think this Blog can be taken as a straw poll, do you?
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What a sanctimonious, self-important, patronising idiot the MP for Ipswitch is. The couple of hundred complaints over Clarkson's comment is probably no more than the BBC (should have) received regarding Delia's new 'how to cook real food with oven chips and turkey sticks' show, but I don't see the Health minister calling for her head.
Seriously though, Clarkson's comment cannot be compared to the Ross/Brand joke - 1: was not aimed at any individual, 2: it did not invade anyone's personal space or private life, 3: it was drawn on objective truth 4: it was relevant in the context of the article and, most importantly, 5: it was funny!
Clarkson should not be sacked, nor even reprimanded, over his comment which was, with all due respect, nothing more than a throwaway observation made in the context of a sketch. I for one do not elect MPs to spend my money telling me what I think - I am sure the people of Ipswich feel the same.
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I never thought I'd end up defending Clarkson, but what is all the fuss about? Unlike Brand/Ross, he was not abusing or insulting any individual. It was a poor joke, certainly, but it was clearly intended to send-up a popular view of lorry-drivers, and was in no way offensive to murder victims - or to lorry-drivers, for that matter. In fact, it wasn't even particularly offensive to serial killers. Unfunny, but harmless, like most of Clarkson's jokes.
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What do you expect from a set-up that originated from some "Boy's own"
petrol heads running around driving (badly) cars lent to them by
manufacturers who thought they might be getting a bit of free publicity?
These guys at TG are journalists and (they think) personalities and, drat
the word, 'celebrities'. How many have done a motor trade or engineering
apprenticeship? How many are qualified engineers or qualified in any way in
the motor trade? How many are qualified in business management?
The way they present their programmes undervalues British engineering.
The attitudes and mores of these self created, self promoting individuals
evidently have a big, and I think bad, effect. Their advertising
agency/media induced personality cult machinations reproduced in Top Gear
add nothing to general good behaviour whereas they no doubt suppose that
they speak with some authority about what is relevant, indeed good, in the
motor industry.
I once saw Clarkson trying to drive an articulated HGV; what a
ridiculous charade. The fact that he now gives us a running commentary on
what 'lorry drivers' do is bizarre. Of course he should be sanctioned, the
man has no standards and at best is a bully boy stand up jerk.
The media are very clearly to blame as they shove the same ill-informed and
usually self interested rubbish down their audiences' throats for so long
that the average individual ends up actually believing it.
Napoleon had it right; "The British are a nation of shopkeepers" and we are
all now either running pizza parlours or selling insurance to each other.
We get nowhere taking in each others' washing!
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The Ipswich MP's 'outrage' at Jeremy Clarkson is only to be expected. After all - an opportunity to get some easy self-publicity and have yet another pop at the BBC by tailgating the Brand/Ross affair could not possibly be missed could it? His assertion that "this had crossed the line" cannot possibly be compared to obnoxious messages left about someone's granddaughter. After all who could have been offended by the Top Gear feature?...I would seem to be that it could only be lorry drivers!!...and I somehow doubt that there are too many truck drivers who are that sensitive!... or does he believe that everyone watching the programme immediately thought of Donald Sutcliffe?..or Ipswich!?......How to descibe such stupidity?....Words fail me.....and I do wish the same fate would fall on insecure MP's.
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I thought Mr Mole was just trying to get himself a higher profile. A bit of publicity might help him keep his job after the next election. As usual, it merely confirms that M.P.s are generally out of touch. Well done Mr Mair for exposing the poor man as a fool.
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The BBC pay Clarkson to behave like an adolescent with expensive toys, which he does extremely well, but not to be offensive (but then adolescents often are offensive). They pay Brand to be vulgar and Ross to be puerile and for both of them to be offensive; and the BBC certainly gets its money's worth from all three 'entertainers'. My concern is with Eddie Mair, who reported that very next person who contacted the programme after Chris Mole, thought the Labour MP was "a buffoon who should shut up". Is this a 'comment' worthy of broadcasting? Perhaps it was; because it sounded very much as if this too was Mair's opinion, and he seemed delighted to have the opportunity to express it (by proxy of course...). Is Eddie Mair also paid to insult people who speak on his programme, or is this now just standard operating procedure for the BBC?
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In case of any doubt, I support the MP 100%. It could be said that the British have turned into a nation of football hooligans and litter louts; on the other hand I see a great number of young people who we can and should be proud of. I don't see a lot of that attitude evinced here and I find it unbelievable that so many cannot see anything wrong in the puerile musings of Clarkson and the downright bad behaviour of Ross/Brand.
Of course we should not accept these outrageously bad manners; these idiots are loutish imbeciles and in no way role models. If these morons go on 'Pushing the envelope', where will we end up? Where does the absolute envelope limit exist? If you people who see nothing wrong in Clarkson/Ross/Brand hold sway, we'll end up in the farmyard muck, that's where.
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The whole point of Jeremy Clarkson and his two Top Gear buddies is that they do and say outrageous things. If they just told us about cars then we might as well read a magazine. Top Gear is no longer a 'car' show. It's a funny end of the weekend, have a bit of laugh while you're haveing a drink before the working week looms. On this occasion there were no names mentioned and no specific crimes related to. Why do people who don't like Clarkson watch the show.
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Pat Martin: I don't, so I don't. ;o)
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So an MP is found out commiting fraud for years and simply gets the opportunity to bow out gracefully with his enormous pension and Clarkson is supposed to be sacked for a non-malicious and quite humorous line. The puritanical MP should concentrate on what really matters and what his job is.
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I don't either anymore, many more interesting things to do than waste my time watching these 'Boy's Own' wannabes breaking up cars, vans, caravans and otherwise being useless jerks.
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sprinter67 91, Clarkson propels himself with a Carte Blanche vehicle? Is that a French car?
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emz_uk 96, Topgear is the best program on the BBC? What about Buzzcocks and Little Dorrit? Or Eastenders or Autumnwatch? Personally, I like Pocoyo, but it's not on BBC. That Stephen Fry is a real intellect. Except that he thinks Ohio is boring.
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C_G 51, Get a file!
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I wonder if Jeremy or the twit from Ipswich will read these comments?
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Well done Eddie for showing up the Ipswich MP as the complete nonentity he obviously is. Maybe his advisers should select the bandwagons for him to slime onto, with a bit more care.
Seriously it must call into question the value of our whole democratic system, after all someone presumably elected him!
Were I an Ipswich resident I would hang my head in shame.
Perhaps Jeremy Clarkson should start some MP jokes, if so Chris Mole would be a good starting point.
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Oh, I see, it's comedy; of course! Loosen up 'Disgusted from Tunbridge Wells!
OK, let's hypothesize that one of Clarkson's kids is knocked down and horribly mangled or killed. Or let's suppose that Hamster (is it?) came out of the crash with his goolies hanging around his neck and ends up as a quadriplegic. Or perhaps we suggest that Ross is dying from some incurable disease because he looks pretty weird it's true.
Boy, did I laugh! Well, I'm only 'Pushing the envelope'; where's your sense of humour? After all I'm only me being me, and Hitler was only being Hitler so it's alright for Jeremy to be just being Jeremy.
How far does one go? It's a question of taste and good manners, none of which idiots like them and many here, appear to have.
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100. Big Sister wrote:
3Dots: I hardly think this Blog can be taken as a straw poll, do you?
I agree with you. I have rad other forums and the over-riding consensus is that the majority of people think its a) the usual Top Gear haters and b) the Brand/Ross issue giving people a reason to lay into him.
At least I did some research on the stats unlike Mr Mole MP!!!!
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I'm a 39 year old heavy goods driver, and I don't have any issue with the comments made by Mr.Clarkson.
If anything I'm quite amused by them.
The whole "Fat Rapist Hooker Murdering Lorry Driver," thing first came to my attention in 2005, through an article in VIZ magazine, and I found that highly amusing to the point where, if I'm asked what i do for a living I will say that, that's what I do.
And I'm none of the above, other than being a lorry driver. Well it does pay the mortgage.
Both my girlfriend and I are motorcyclists, and we didn't take any offence when Jeremy stated that all motorcyclists should be, "shot in the face."
Mr. Mole never pointed out that motorcyclists are vulnerable road users. Sorry but i think we'll be waiting a long time for the pathetic little man to ever come to our defence.
Members of the viewing public tune into TG mainly I believe for the next instalment of whom Mr. Clarkson is going to insult next. It's the only television programme we make the effort to watch.
The team of TG all deserve honours for their contributions to making this blighted nation of ours a happier place to live.
So please keep up the good work Jeremy, James and Hamster.
Chris.
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This is say to all of those who have something against Jeremy Clarkson, Jonathon Ross, Russell Brand or any other BBC presenter that they don't like:
IF YOU DON'T LIKE THEM, DON'T WATCH THE PROGRAMME YOU IDIOT!
GET OVER IT!
Thanks.
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Post 120: 'youngandopinionated' but not quite knowing the law.
What Ross and Brand did was basically illegal under the Telecommunications and and also bullying of another person. This action in any other company would have led to sacking, reprimand or potential prosecution. Luckily for both of them they have not harmed their careers with this episode like it would have done with any 'normal' person.
Had they simply said this stuff between themselves on the programme and not directly onto someones answerphone I wouldn't have a major problem with it as I don't with Clarkson. He was not directing any comments at any particular person which is the difference with the Brand/Ross issue.
I have problem with the swearing if its in context etc.
I didn't listen to Brand when he was on the radio but I can see why people liked his humour and the intelligence that can be seen bubbling to the surface every now and again.
Ross I did watch and listen to but he increasingly became a repetitive parody of himself.
Other than that I do agree with you! If you don't like something dont watch it.
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Darn: preview, preview.
Edit from post 121:
"What Ross and Brand did was basically illegal under the Telecommunications ACT and also bullying of another person."
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DMcN @ 114. so I can use it to saw through the bars and escape from the thread?
3Dots @ 122, since you're doing edits, was there meant to be a 'no' between 'have' and 'problem' in 'I have problem with the swearing if its in context etc.'?
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Chris_Ghoti: Um, yes, there should have been a 'no'...thanks!
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This whole thing is just rediculous, movies are made all the time about guys killing prostitutes, must they all be fired now? It would be a tradgedy if Jeremy get axed for this comment. Rather than axing him, why dont you get more presenters like him, it would make television actually much more entertaining. This person who complaint about this must really be an insecured, snobish person with no sence of humour at all.
George from George ( not even in UK)
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Well I think Flash Gordon got off rather lightly because if you asked the majority of the people on the street I am certain it would have been far more insulting.
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Could it be that Mr Ross & Mr Clarkson own at least part of the means of production of two very important shows to the BBC by owning the production companies that make them, which is why they keep their jobs but Mr Brand & Miss Thatcher who do not own production companies don't keep theirs.
But really can we stop being so McCarthyish about what people say. Lets have a whitch hunt about something of worth. The uselessness of government maybe.
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The only valid connection Jeremy Clarkson has with motors is his mouth. What is the value of listening to this self opinionated oaf who almost single handedly set out to ruin the Rover Car company with his unsubstantiated and inaccurate criticizm and derision. Two of my sons had Rovers which gave totally reliable service over high mileages yet Clarkson and his lapdogs never ceased to ridicule the marque. Now we need manufacturing industry to get us out of our mess , where is Clarkson's contribution?
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Clarkson is a very well known entertainer.
I do not however find him entertaining or amusing. Too many of his antics are intended to be offensive and in that light I strongly object to so much license fee money being paid to such an individual. His brand of 'entertainment' belongs in the privately funded sector were those who enjoy his style can have all the access they desire
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well, well,well. Carol Thatcher gets the sack for makeing a private remarke. Mr Clarckson get's a pat on the back, money does talk and the BBC are going down the pan and dam the morals
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I do not want my tax payers money to go into the pockets of the likes of Jeremy Clarkson. Time to let him earn his keep elsewhere.
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