The piece on confabulation of memory opens up so many problems, among which:
-The police synchronizing their accounts, leading to undue certainty.
-The witness believing what the Zeitgeist has instilled in their minds.
A solution would be to rank people due to give evidence according to their ability to remember for truth. Similar to an IQ test, each person will have a personal score which can be given to the judge and jury, to aid them in discriminating between two contradicting witnesses.
Ah memory. And its use in court cases. Thanks for it - Bob Hope style - and thank you, Carolyn.
I know there may have been some reason why I should have been concerned by the Information Commissioner and one other producing together a report today on personal Information usage by everyone on behalf of Gordon Brown.
But my memory. Perhaps a lawyer can winkle it out of me sometime.
My hopes were justified - it was a good one. I particularly liked hearing some experts shedding light on areas they know something about - like the Prof from Kent and the BPS man. The plastic bag item was good too - and the Zimbabwe right to work report. Good stuff.
SSC - with you on that one. But it's a big ask ...
While I'm here - have you noticed how 'when' is turning into 'after'? E.g.: 'A man died after a ton of concrete fell on him.' If you haven't noticed it yet - you will now!
Sid @ 13, I hadn't spotted that one, but I have been noticing the loss of the word 'before'. We now have everyone saying 'this happened ahead of the other thing' (or will happen, or ought to happen, or whatever else). If they must add another syllable to avoid 'before', why not go for 'prior to', which doesn't sound quite so much like one runner arriving while another is still puffing to the finishing line and has the advantage of actually meaning 'first in time' rather than 'first in position'?
As for 'behind', that is clearly too rude for anyone to contemplate saying.
(But I thought ValP was the pedant on this blog. Do we have to ask permission before we come all over grumpy?)
Sorry, got lost between posting my own complaint there was no pre-programme comment thread - whilst this was being setup (!) and reading the very important Eddie thread which arrived during the programme's 'Letters' item.
As a result my memory is a blur, Was there something about it's reliability on the programme? It certainly would have helped.
'Cos I can't trust mine at the moment 'cos it's telling me I heard an item deploring the fact that Saudi women can't drive gas guzzling 4X4s about Riyadh.
Which would be like commiserating with less developed countries not being able to afford imperial wars. A jimmygiro satyr in fact.
Not much around yesterday... until Ian Blair released his statement about the stabbings. The coverage led to a couple of emails accusing us of being London-centric. I don't buy that one... four fatal stabbings in a day is very unusual, even in London (I think the homicide rate is about three a week); and Ian Blair's statement was unusual, so newsworthy. It would have been covered whichever the city/town/village.
On the language comments, I'm afraid there is not much we can do to tell interviewees how to speak... and nor would I want to. Language is an organic, evolving beast, full of new expressions and colloquialisms and while there are certain rules the BBC tries to adhere to, we can't make interviewees do the same... otherwise we'd just be interviewing a string of English all the time.
And Sid (13), on the the 'when'-'after' issue, that's because 'after' is usually more accurate... your example of a ton of concrete being the exception. People don't often die instantly in collisions, stabbings etc. They usually die afterwards.
Jimmy 27, Speaking of cremations, I used to work for a florist and knew several undertakers. One was discovered (nothing unusual, as it turned out) to have lots of unclaimed cremation urns in his basement. He also had lots of false teeth that he took with him when he played golf and put in the holes. I didn't ask him what he did with my father's teeth.... Hey, you work close to undertakers, you pick up an unusual sense of humor.
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Too early to say, really ... but I'm expecting a good one.
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Sid 1, Still too early. I'll wait 'til after the six o'clock news.
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The plastic bag to fuel article is interesting.
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Oh boy, almost time for the PM mail. Will they read one of mine? Will I be a male or a female? Can't wait.
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The piece on confabulation of memory opens up so many problems, among which:
-The police synchronizing their accounts, leading to undue certainty.
-The witness believing what the Zeitgeist has instilled in their minds.
A solution would be to rank people due to give evidence according to their ability to remember for truth. Similar to an IQ test, each person will have a personal score which can be given to the judge and jury, to aid them in discriminating between two contradicting witnesses.
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Jimmy 5, A bit early to be drinking, innit?
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Hey, you found an expert who says the Dow numbers aren't as bad as they might be.
Well done!
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Aaaarrrgh!
Please *stop* interviewees from using the phrase "...it's a big ask." It's just wrong in so many ways.
This is Radio 4, not Cbeebies!
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@6
I was thinking it was a bit late for you to be on the internet, does your mother know?
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Ah memory. And its use in court cases. Thanks for it - Bob Hope style - and thank you, Carolyn.
I know there may have been some reason why I should have been concerned by the Information Commissioner and one other producing together a report today on personal Information usage by everyone on behalf of Gordon Brown.
But my memory. Perhaps a lawyer can winkle it out of me sometime.
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My hopes were justified - it was a good one. I particularly liked hearing some experts shedding light on areas they know something about - like the Prof from Kent and the BPS man. The plastic bag item was good too - and the Zimbabwe right to work report. Good stuff.
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SSC - with you on that one. But it's a big ask ...
While I'm here - have you noticed how 'when' is turning into 'after'? E.g.: 'A man died after a ton of concrete fell on him.' If you haven't noticed it yet - you will now!
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PM ? Is there an AM too ?
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Sid @ 13, I hadn't spotted that one, but I have been noticing the loss of the word 'before'. We now have everyone saying 'this happened ahead of the other thing' (or will happen, or ought to happen, or whatever else). If they must add another syllable to avoid 'before', why not go for 'prior to', which doesn't sound quite so much like one runner arriving while another is still puffing to the finishing line and has the advantage of actually meaning 'first in time' rather than 'first in position'?
As for 'behind', that is clearly too rude for anyone to contemplate saying.
(But I thought ValP was the pedant on this blog. Do we have to ask permission before we come all over grumpy?)
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Congratulations on Jill Saward's victory (492) over the 'The Official Monster Raving Looney Party' candidate (412).
I guess the good people of Haltemprice and Howden do care after all.
By the way, why didn't PM report on that By-election? Wasn't the result feminist enough?
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thanks sequin, have a great weekend!!
Are you back on the westminster hour?!!
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Jimmy 9, My mother is dead, so maybe she knows or maybe she doesn't.
I was drinking as well, but at least I sounded sober.
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singingdaveparry 14, Do I know you?
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Sorry, got lost between posting my own complaint there was no pre-programme comment thread - whilst this was being setup (!) and reading the very important Eddie thread which arrived during the programme's 'Letters' item.
As a result my memory is a blur, Was there something about it's reliability on the programme? It certainly would have helped.
'Cos I can't trust mine at the moment 'cos it's telling me I heard an item deploring the fact that Saudi women can't drive gas guzzling 4X4s about Riyadh.
Which would be like commiserating with less developed countries not being able to afford imperial wars. A jimmygiro satyr in fact.
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Morning All...
Thanks for posting.
Not much around yesterday... until Ian Blair released his statement about the stabbings. The coverage led to a couple of emails accusing us of being London-centric. I don't buy that one... four fatal stabbings in a day is very unusual, even in London (I think the homicide rate is about three a week); and Ian Blair's statement was unusual, so newsworthy. It would have been covered whichever the city/town/village.
On the language comments, I'm afraid there is not much we can do to tell interviewees how to speak... and nor would I want to. Language is an organic, evolving beast, full of new expressions and colloquialisms and while there are certain rules the BBC tries to adhere to, we can't make interviewees do the same... otherwise we'd just be interviewing a string of English all the time.
And Sid (13), on the the 'when'-'after' issue, that's because 'after' is usually more accurate... your example of a ton of concrete being the exception. People don't often die instantly in collisions, stabbings etc. They usually die afterwards.
That's all folks.
Have good weekends.
Rog
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'Not much around..'
FTSE 2 percent below 'bear' levels, Fanny and Freddie a complete mess (Bush to nationalise the banks?!?)
And the news for Roger is that a senior policeman says the stabbings are worrying.
It's an Eddie satyr this time.
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Sorry, Jimmy, sorry, Eddie, sorry Roger. I should have said 'satire' of course.
A satyr (as I so didn't know the day before wikigoogleday) is a fellow with an uncontrollable erection at first, and later a bit of a goat.
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@23
Glad you separated the sheep from the goats.
Did you not consider the by-election newsworthy; especially the results?
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@18
Clearly you miss her.
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Jimmy 25, I didn't even go back to the US for her funeral, but hey, she won't be at mine. I did send flowers. Well, had my sister send some.
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@26
I wonder if our neurotic government will decide for us whether burial or cremation is the carbon friendly way to go.
Vote for the "Soylent Green Party"; we're making unemployment a thing of the paste.
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Jimmy 27, Speaking of cremations, I used to work for a florist and knew several undertakers. One was discovered (nothing unusual, as it turned out) to have lots of unclaimed cremation urns in his basement. He also had lots of false teeth that he took with him when he played golf and put in the holes. I didn't ask him what he did with my father's teeth.... Hey, you work close to undertakers, you pick up an unusual sense of humor.
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DMcN @ 29, people who work in path labs get that way too.
They always seem to claim to have the fattest path lab cat in the world, too. Go figure.
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Chris 29, And archaeologists. I took a photo of a Roman skeleton wearing my glasses.
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Sequin - Haste ye back!
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