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Eddie Mair | 10:25 UK time, Wednesday, 28 May 2008

Karen sent his yesterday: "taken this afternoon on the A14 Westbound just before the Orwell Bridge outside Ipswich....

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....It didn't look any better in the mirror.

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It's taken that long to get my PC to see my phone that the price has probably gone up again since then!

Last time I filled up it cost me £38. Today it cost £43. When I first bought the car (5 years ago) it was £28."

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  • 1. At 10:57am on 28 May 2008, mittfh wrote:

    Unleaded was 112.9 at Warwick Tesco yesterday - cost me ~£33 for ~30 litres.

    Meanwhile, according to petrolprices.com:

    UK Petrol Prices for Monday 26th May 2008

    Fuel type Avg. Min. Max.
    Unleaded: 115.0p 109.9p 126.9p
    Diesel: 127.9p 120.9p 140.9p
    LRP: 120.3p 112.9p 125.9p
    Super: 122.0p 111.9p 132.9p
    LPG: 57.7p 49.9p 62.9p

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  • 2. At 11:08am on 28 May 2008, mindclearly wrote:

    Why are people wanting those who drive uneconomical vehicles not to pay more? I think the increase in road tax should be implemented, but the government seem to be getting this wrong like reducing the three teir tax systems as they need to reduce fuel duty at exactly the same time so those in reasonable and more ecconomical cars will bennefit. It is the only way to reduce the need for having uneccesaryly fast and unecconomical vehicles on our roads. BTW if its a matter of choice then fine, but you will have to pay.....

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  • 3. At 11:35am on 28 May 2008, Susan_Orty_Boyden wrote:

    I can't say I've noticed the petrol price increases everyone keeps going on about. Since I first started driving I've always put ten quids worth in. I still do.

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  • 4. At 11:44am on 28 May 2008, Aperitif wrote:

    It is rocketing up, isn't it? Many of us could try driving less, of course...

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  • 5. At 11:46am on 28 May 2008, miraculousginger wrote:

    gordon brown is meeting with people from north sea oil to ask them to increase production to push prices down.

    as if they hadn't considered increasing production !!!!

    there are only 2 solutions as I see it. over the short term, reducing the already far too high tax levels. and long term, an alternative source so we are not so reliant on oil.

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  • 6. At 12:20pm on 28 May 2008, Chris_Ghoti wrote:

    There's an element in all this that I don't think has been mentioned.

    As I understand it, the law now requires that all passengers in a car should wear a seatbelt. This means that ordinary cars can carry a maximum of five people, because three seatbelts are provided in the back and two in the front.

    So anyone wanting to carry a family of more than five, or to give lifts on the school run to more than four children (and I think there is an age below they are not allowed to travel in the front seat?) is compelled by law to do so in a larger car with more seats.

    I don't think that can help to keep down the size or number of cars on the road.

    Fuel prices: for some reason I have kept information from fuel prices com, and I find that within a five-mile radius of my address the cheapest diesel has risen from 96.9p per litre on 23rd July 2007 to 122.9p per litre on 26th May 2008. Last week it was 119.9p. On January 1st 2008 it was 104.9p.

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  • 7. At 12:38pm on 28 May 2008, Deepthought wrote:

    Chris (6),

    If not already, I believe that soon children up to the age of 11 will need special seats when sitting in a car.

    Looking at my brother's family, their five seat car effectively becomes four seat with the two child seats installed. Now they happen to be a family of four, but I cannot see how three child seats can be installed (especially as many cars have the fifth passenger wearing a lap belt, not an over the shoulder belt.

    There are relatively few cars that can accommodate more than 5 people, not surprisingly they are big.

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  • 8. At 12:45pm on 28 May 2008, Deepthought wrote:

    ..sorry, somehow the submit button was hit.

    I was going on to add.

    20 years ago I had a big old car, and petrol cost me £0.10/mile (10p/mile). As I got newer, and more fuel efficient cars, that cost remained pretty static, as the cost of petrol slowly rose. I've had my current car a number of years, but that cost figure has now almost doubled - so my petrol cost is now nearly 20p/mile.

    Now I happen to need a big-ish car, as I use it for work. Alternative would be a fairly largish van in addition to a smaller car. I've cut down the miles as much as possible, but there gets to a point when it's either car or a very long time with multiple changes on public transport. And this is suburban London.

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  • 9. At 12:49pm on 28 May 2008, miraculousginger wrote:

    what about the smaller families who seem to feel because they have two children they need a minibus to drive them around >

    i think they are the drivers which they want to hit hard, but in doing so they are also targetting families that really do need a large vehicle.

    i recently almost got ran off the road by an american style "bus", as it did not leave enough room on the road for oncoming traffic.

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  • 10. At 12:53pm on 28 May 2008, steelpulse wrote:

    Petrol "heads up". Digital cameras and suddenly we have us "a convoy". Identifying what prices are pumped up beyond belief. And still the bulk of said petrol price goes where Prime Minister - or rather Chancellor of the Exchequer.

    Trick. Tricky. Need a pocket calculator to work out who is in the best position to help out our driven and driving friends, Mr Darling?

    Never never land. Someone needs to grow up. Roadie mild? Peter Panned. Tut, tut!

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  • 11. At 1:09pm on 28 May 2008, U11204129 wrote:

    (3)
    Couldn't they do what our local supermarket does when fruit or whatever gets expensive?

    I mean, why not make the barrels oil comes in smaller?

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  • 12. At 1:22pm on 28 May 2008, nikki noodle wrote:

    however bad we all think it is now, and we are all talking about it over our alcoholic beverage of choice, this will seem like the good old days.

    the fraction of the weekly income spent on petrol will have to compete with that spent on rent and on food. Then I will face stark choices.

    nikki

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  • 13. At 1:28pm on 28 May 2008, Pendragon57uk wrote:

    If the country consumes and enjoys, HMG are sure to tax
    Fuel = 1.20 per litre or 0.68 per pint
    Beer = 4.22 per litre or 2.40 per pint
    Please don't ask me to drink petrol though!

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  • 14. At 1:49pm on 28 May 2008, mittfh wrote:

    Interestingly on the car seat front, a family I know have two children under 5 and a third on the way. They discovered their existing Mondeo couldn't fit three child seats in the back - but a Fiat Multipla (yes, that mini-MPV with a set of lights in the pillars above the bonnet) could...
    I haven't got the data to hand, but I'd guess that as the Multipla is smaller than the Mondeo, it might drink slightly less as well...

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  • 15. At 1:52pm on 28 May 2008, miraculousginger wrote:

    is it just me that never understands a word of what "ystavani" comes up with every day ??

    : )

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  • 16. At 1:58pm on 28 May 2008, Millie O' Neare-Nott wrote:

    What I also think needs commenting on is the number of garages along main roads have decreased due to supermarkets opening near by. This means when out travelling you need to know where nearest one is (difficult if in part of country unknown to you) and you often have to deviate in towards a town to do so.

    By the way I have never seen Tesco, Sainsburys etc etc have the "Buy One Get One Free" offer on petrol nor even "Buy one get Second One Half Price"!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry am I just being cynical.

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  • 17. At 2:01pm on 28 May 2008, Dr_Hackenbush wrote:

    I've been hearing all the many stories about "all prices" going up, so why are people specifically worrying about the cost of fuel?

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  • 18. At 2:21pm on 28 May 2008, miraculousginger wrote:

    "I've been hearing all the many stories about "all prices" going up, so why are people specifically worrying about the cost of fuel?"

    at a guess i would say because petrol, and gas have increased the most and both are essentials.

    food prices have gone up, but we have more scope for adjusting our purchases.

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  • 19. At 2:28pm on 28 May 2008, U10783173 wrote:

    miraculousginger (15) - No, it's not just you. But at least he seems to have stopped compiling random anagrams.
    random anagrams = Mars - damn Angora!

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  • 20. At 2:48pm on 28 May 2008, miraculousginger wrote:

    pheew, in that case i can save a few minutes re-reading each day ! ; )

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  • 21. At 3:25pm on 28 May 2008, steelpulse wrote:

    No 19. I would dispute the word "random" and No 20 - use the time saved well.

    You may not believe it but I used to write in a fairly straight forward and, I trust, a completely understandable way but found I was "moderated" out of existence. Not because of immoderate language or inflammotory views either. And I do not blame the Beeb either.

    Fellow PM texters - my texts I think are called cryptic and my apologies if they are impenetrable sometimes. But they are meant to be.

    Now "miraculousginger" do NOT ask me what that meant!

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  • 22. At 3:27pm on 28 May 2008, gossipmistress wrote:

    miraculousginger (15) you're not alone - me too!! :-)

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  • 23. At 3:49pm on 28 May 2008, miraculousginger wrote:

    maybe you could be renamed "mysteriousystavani" ??

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  • 24. At 4:06pm on 28 May 2008, U11204129 wrote:

    re: ystavani

    I lioke them, loike.

    They oscillate between allegory and reality.

    I read them as if the news or the thread topic has somehow iminged on ystavani's most private introspective concerns. And a marvelous exotic name!

    At least in his case I don't have to work out what its all got to do with the price of petrol as with 15, 19, 20, 22 who seem a little off message on this thread.
    So-

    Since a booze cruise is okey dokey, why can't I hire a French lorry full of (relatively) cheap continental fuel and be praised for it?

    Truckers please tell me why I shouldn't.

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  • 25. At 4:15pm on 28 May 2008, mittfh wrote:

    One of the reasons everyone worries so much about the cost of fuel is that fuel isn't just used to power our cars...

    It's used to power lorries delivering goods from farms to factories, from factories to warehouses, and from warehouses to supermarkets. So if the hauliers are charging more, the people contracting them will pay more, and therefore will charge more for their products / services.

    Fuel is also used to heat buildings - we all know about the numerous price rises by the utility companies, but also bear in mind rural areas that rely on tanker-supplied heating fuel. Their costs will no doubt rise further, because of the additional costs of diesel fuel for the tankers, as well as their payload of heating fuel.

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  • 26. At 4:16pm on 28 May 2008, Dr_Hackenbush wrote:

    (17, 18)

    I was joking of course - it's just that most R4 commentators pronounce 'oil' more like 'all'. Too subtle?

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  • 27. At 4:16pm on 28 May 2008, steelpulse wrote:

    "Ystavani" is the only clear cut thing about my text - albeit in the Finnish language.

    Nowt mysterious. It is aimed at you all in reality and is also a private "joke".

    Ystava = "friend" and the"ni" attached effectively means "My Friend" - singularly admittedly.

    My Friends - one at a time. lol

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  • 28. At 4:23pm on 28 May 2008, steelpulse wrote:

    Ystäväni

    The above is the private joke. I will explain one day.

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  • 29. At 4:25pm on 28 May 2008, mygloriousleader wrote:

    Ystavani (21) Keep up with the cryptics, it adds a certain 'colour' to the dull black and white...
    Re the fuel ... why doesn't some enterprising person add more tanks to his lorry, pop across the ferry, fill up and then share with his mates. There's probably a business there...ooops no it's probably illegal....dan...back the drawing board...now where are the crayons...

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  • 30. At 4:30pm on 28 May 2008, nikki noodle wrote:

    tbh - "ystavani is the only clear cut thing..." sort of puts the icing on the proverbial.

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  • 31. At 7:05pm on 28 May 2008, phil1629 wrote:

    To help British lorry drivers all lorrys entering British Ports should have there fuel tanks dipped and duty paid on what is in there tanks. Then Mr Brown can give a rebate to the British motorist and it will put all haulage companys on a level playingfield. But it has to be done now before people go bust these companys can not wait any longer.

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  • 32. At 08:27am on 29 May 2008, RJMolesworth wrote:

    The road haulage solution seems a simple one. All owners go on holiday for two weeks leaving a message on the answerphone to say they went bust. Customers panic and try to find replacements - none available. Owners come back rested and calm and phone up desperate customers who willingly pay them a profitable amount.

    Whilst owners are abroad, staff fit extra tanks to the vehicles and go and fill up abroad. Mr Darling, having lost revenue and seeing a political opportunity, lowers taxes on fuel. Crisis over.

    Consultancy invoice is in the post.

    P.S. I like ystavani's posts. Keep up the good work.

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