BBC BLOGS - Phil McNulty
« Previous | Main | Next »

Taylor's taunts fail to spark Sunderland

Post categories:

Phil McNulty | 22:25 UK time, Sunday, 21 October 2012

At The Stadium of Light

Steven Taylor's provocative pre-match declaration that no Sunderland player would make Newcastle United's starting line-up should have been the spark to light a fire under Martin O'Neill's side.

This Tyne-Wear derby did not require any stoking of the flames for what is traditionally a spiteful affair - but Taylor was on hand with a few ill-chosen words just in case.

No manager has ever won a match armed with a set of press cuttings but O'Neill admitted several of his players passed comment on what, tongue in cheek or not, was a message that demonstrated disrespect for Newcastle's fiercest rivals.

Sunderland's problem in a predictably feverish affair was that too many of their players spent too long assembling a compelling body evidence to support Taylor's case rather than throwing the words back in his face.

Alan Pardew salutes the Newcastle fans at the final whistle.

Newcastle boss Pardew was the happier of the two managers at the Stadium of Light. Picture: Empics

Newcastle manager Alan Pardew marched towards the visiting fans at the final whistle pumping his fist in pleasure at a hard-earned point. Inside, however, he will have been disappointed a team that ended with 10 men after Cheick Tiote's red card did not secure all three.

Yohan Cabaye's early goal was protected in relative comfort by Newcastle's reduced numbers until Demba Ba's scrappy 86th minute own goal gave Sunderland a point that was the result of frantic, unconvincing pressure, rather than any structured approach.

Indeed, for long spells Sunderland were nothing short of clueless in their attempts to break down a measured Newcastle magnificently marshalled by Fabricio Coloccini.

It was only when he succumbed to cramp and was replaced by arch-villain Taylor that Newcastle's resolve even threatened to break and at least give Sunderland the consolation of a point.

Taylor's very presence, even as a substitute, provided a poisonous sub-plot at the Stadium of Light after his outburst, which included the insistence that he "would rather go and collect stamps than wear their [Sunderland's] shirt".

It was more a case of philately than flattery, and meant this game began in a frenzy that suggested the traditional pre-match music of Prokoviev's "Dance Of The Knights" could have reasonably been replaced with some headbanging Motorhead to match the mood.

Of course it was a needless, unwise insult and resulted in Taylor being abused from the moment he came out to warm up, throughout the game, and during his brief appearance as a substitute.

There was vicious chanting from Sunderland's fans but Newcastle's supporters were not spotless either, singing tasteless songs about Sunderland's absent midfield man Lee Cattermole.

Taylor would hardly turn his nose up at the idea of players like Steven Fletcher and Adam Johnson as team-mates but on this day Newcastle and Sunderland produced performances to back his claims.

This was a chastening afternoon for Sunderland. Perhaps it was a case of catching them on a bad day but they were tactically bankrupt for the most part and when cool heads were needed following referee Martin Atkinson's decision to send Tiote off for a high tackle on Fletcher, they had left their composure in the cloakroom.

Fletcher barely received any service worthy of the name while Johnson's contribution, which was non-existent in the second half, can be measured by his removal after 83 minutes with Sunderland still chasing an equaliser. When he did have possession early on he was often surrounded by three Newcastle players and was reduced to wallowing in a sea of frustration long before the end.

If there was any comfort for Sunderland it was in their industry, base camp for any O'Neill team. In a frenetic conclusion a regular stream of crosses and set pieces finally bore fruit but there was nothing by way of subtlety and the manager will need more than beads of perspiration over a long season.

It may come as and when (or if) Sunderland's creative players such as Johnson and Stephane Sessegnon rediscover their spark, as there is no doubt much better than Sunday's performance will be required and The Black Cats have been off colour for a while now.

In contrast Newcastle, especially with a full complement, looked very much like the side that finished fifth last season. Pardew felt they were back on song and until Tiote disappeared down the tunnel they looked a much smoother operation, particularly in possession, than Sunderland.

Coloccini may not quite have been a vision of the late, great Sir Bobby Moore as Pardew excitedly announced but the Argentine was more or less faultless until his legs tired.

Cabaye and Hatem Ben Arfa provide the light and shade while Ba is a threat, with Papiss Cisse on the bench as attacking insurance.

On this viewing Newcastle look in ruder health than Sunderland. Pardew looks like he has plenty of his team's parts in good working order while Sunderland looked scrappy and a work O'Neill will need to progress further. In the manager's defence he is only 10 months into his tenure and still has many challenges to meet.

Pardew declared his side "a class act" when all 11 players were present while O'Neill appeared grateful for a point, although he was happy to accept an invitation to respond to Taylor, quipping: "I'm delighted he made their bench."

Other than that flash of humour, Pardew was the manager with most to smile about.

Comments

Page 1 of 4

  • Comment number 1.

    I think you mean Prokoviev's "Dance Of The Knights", rather than Nights by the way Phil.

  • Comment number 2.

    Sunderland have to be one of the most tactically one-dimensional teams in the EPL. Everything revolves around parking the bus... I'm not surprised they spent so much on Fletcher- creating such a small amount of genuine chances requires a very effective striker indeed.

  • Comment number 3.

    Hi Phil, I feel you've made a good point here. As a Newcastle fan I was a bit embarrassed about Taylor's comments. I mean, don't get me wrong I love his passion, but the comments made were unnecessary and distasteful. I thought O'Neill came across very well in the media this week.

    Regarding the game Newcastle should have won it, and most probably would have had Tiote not been dismissed so early on. Sunderland surprised me with the little threat they offered today. Simpson and Williamson didn't put a foot wrong and can both be very suspect at times, although they weren't tested enough. Our fullbacks contained Sunderland's wingers admirably and Coloccini was easily the best player on the pitch - a class above.

    Unfortunate to not take all three points but many positives for Pardew to take. For an in depth look at the game, check out my blog carryingcoals.com. Any comments would be appreciated, Ian Dennis has already given some kind, positive criticism.

    Interesting article, thanks.

  • Comment number 4.

    I struggled to watch this match, eleven against 10, Sunderland never attempted to play the football required, to exploit the man advantage. That is what you get from an O'Neil team though, great on commitment but lacking tactically.

  • Comment number 5.

    As a neutral, I've always been a big fan of Martin O'Neil, but today my eyes were opened to the one-dimensional, very British type of football he's trying to instil in his team. You just can't see where they're going to win games if they can't create chances, and if Fletcher gets an injury this season then I'd be very worried if I was a Sunderland fan.
    Still not convinced by Mclean but there were a few rays of prospect in his play today.

  • Comment number 6.

    I'd like to take Taylor's comments as just banter. Maybe because I'm a neutral, but if I were a Sunderland fan, I wouldn't've taken them seriously, we have these kinds of arguments with our friends everyday.

    However, something which I haven't seen on the site yet...police are investigating Demba Ba racial abuse. WHEN WILL THESE HEADLINES END?! After the glorious summer that was the Olympics, the beautiful game is well and truly back.

  • Comment number 7.

    Steven Taylor may have just been fanning the flames, but I think he makes a very good point. Who would you rather have, Ben Arfa or Johnson? Tiote or Cattermole? Cisse or Fletcher? Cabaye or Sessegnon? Coloccini or O'Shea? The only real competition that I can see would come from Mignolet against Krul. Sunderland are desperately in need of some real quality in their side. I predict a disappointing season with a bottom-half finish earned mainly by Steven Fletcher scoring scrappy goals every now and then.

  • Comment number 8.

    All Martin O'Neills teams lack quality, not in terms of players, but in Martin's lack of attacking ambition. Nobody seems to have explained to Martin, that you get three points for a win.

  • Comment number 9.

    Scintillating Stuff.

  • Comment number 10.

    It is true, SUnderland looked very average without their talismanic midfielder Lee Cattermole. In the same mould as Roy Keane, he would have showcased his ability to take games by the scruff of the neck and taken command of the midfield.

    Newcastle at times didn't look like they were 1 man down against Sunderland. O'Neill will have to look at over January. McLean & Johnson are dangerous, but if you have nothing going through the middle then it becomes easy to single out the wingers and double up. They also miss the overlapping runs of elmouhamday and richardson as full backs. O'Neill has more defensive stability now, but the price he has paid is that bar Steven "goal" Fletcher, they are pretty toothless up front.

  • Comment number 11.

    9.At 08:52 22nd Oct 2012, HaHA CharadeYouAre2 wrote:
    Scintillating Stuff.
    _________________

    Not as titillating as saturday's tea time extravaganza! Needless to say I switched over to watch the 2nd half of Burnley v Blackpool. ;)

  • Comment number 12.

    Surely Taylor's words were banter, I would say the same to my friends from Sunderland or any other club. How people interpret them is their affair. He perhaps needs to remember that what he says about Sunderland and the Toon isn't always the case and at times we have had players who they wouldn't want in their squad.
    At the moment though his comments do ring true and Sunderland fans I speak to are worried about their team and its style of play. Fact: Sunderland top scorer on 5 goals is S Fletcher. Second top scorer on 1 goal is Demba Ba :)

  • Comment number 13.

    7.At 07:53 22nd Oct 2012, Harry Hotspur wrote:
    "but I think he makes a very good point. Who would you rather have?"
    "Ben Arfa or Johnson?" - Ben Arfa
    "Tiote or Cattermole?" - Cattermole, tiote is just a plodder that goes round kicking people.
    "Cisse or Fletcher?" - Fletcher. Cisse is a flash in a pan, with Fletcher is a goal machine.
    "Cabaye or Sessegnon?" - Cabaye, although Sessegnon is not a CM, a fairer comparison would be cabaye or collback / gardner.
    "Coloccini or O'Shea?" - O'Shea. The guy is top class. Although I am a fan of Fab as well.

  • Comment number 14.

    @11 ESG

    " Not as titillating as saturday's tea time extravaganza! "

    Is the above a indirect reference to my teams 1-0 defeat if so, could we move swiftly onwards. :)

  • Comment number 15.

    It amuses me that these two irrelevant teams think the rest of the country care about their silly, pointless little mini regional battle. Win something then the rest of the country may do more than just roll their eyes when they hear of the "fierce rivalry" etc between the teams.

  • Comment number 16.

    It was an OK ish game, but the decision to move the Newcastle fans to the Gods definitely had a negative impact on the atmosphere at the game. I only watched it on TV, but it seemed there wasn't quite the intensity as last year.

    Sunderland were terrible

  • Comment number 17.

    I managed to endure 45 mins of chelseas only song

    Newcastle vs Sunderland was never going to be on my to do list

    I caught the last 15 mins of QPR vs Everton

    I then tried to settle down to watch La Liga all the time thinking;

    as of todays date its still mathematically possible Arsenal can win the PL.

  • Comment number 18.

    14.At 09:06 22nd Oct 2012, HaHA CharadeYouAre2 wrote:
    @11 ESG

    " Not as titillating as saturday's tea time extravaganza! "

    Is the above a indirect reference to my teams 1-0 defeat if so, could we move swiftly onwards. :)
    _________________

    Yes, I was a bit confused what happened to your team? I had you down as 4-0 winners and had cazorla as captain for my fantasy football!! Gravely let down!!

  • Comment number 19.

    Ha stevieeng whatever.... no need to be amused we don't care what the reset of the country thinks. As for Regional battle every teams derby is a regional battle, ooh even London is a region of the UK not centre of Universe!!!!! The interesting thi about the NE of England is the amount of people who support their hometown club, not because they win everything but because that's where they are from!

  • Comment number 20.

    To be fair to Steven Taylor, i could think of one, maybe two that would perhaps get in Newcastles starting line up, and that's mclean and adam johnson. Perhaps they'd get on the bench as opposed to the starting lineup..but it goes to show how position for position, newcastle are better

  • Comment number 21.

    @18 ESG

    In all honesty I did not watch the game, on hearing the result I was seething !
    I did look at the Stats, after which I was even more hissed off.

    I am not best placed to provide the answer

  • Comment number 22.

    another mcnulty blog where he is more obsessed with what goes on off the pitch, and in press conferences than what goes on during the game.

  • Comment number 23.

    Thought it was a really poor game to be honest. Newcastle were stifled by the sending off (albeit a correct one) and all Sunderland do is try to set up Fletcher which is massively one-dimensional and therefore easy to defend against.

    Was looking forward to it as well, massive let down.

  • Comment number 24.

    HAHA2 must be under the weather - he has only mentioned La Liga once so far this morning and hasn't said anything anti English/Welsh/Scottish/Irish. A diluted version of your former Troll self.

  • Comment number 25.

    This must be the most over-rated Derby in the world.

    Theres so much hype and hatred between the teams, and Steve Bruce got sacked for losing one. But in the big picture what does the result actually mean?

    Have either club won enough trophies to make the hype worthwhile? No they haven't.

  • Comment number 26.

    21.At 09:40 22nd Oct 2012, HaHA CharadeYouAre2 wrote:
    @18 ESG

    In all honesty I did not watch the game, on hearing the result I was seething !
    I did look at the Stats, after which I was even more hissed off.

    I am not best placed to provide the answer
    ___________________

    I would have thought you'd have seen it, or were you watching the DEportivo v Barca thriller? Good game from all accounts.

  • Comment number 27.

    @ 10
    Cattermole would have more than likely been sent off. Not known for a cool head is Lee.

    At the risk of igniting a powder keg.

    Racist chanting aside which is unacceptable and also illegal, I do think we need look at where we are going with monitoring the fans. So many chants are offensive and distasteful but also quite original and humourous.

    If we are not careful we run risk of playing in quiet stadia with a ripple of polite applause when someone scores.

    Football is tribal my colours v your colours. Stephen Taylor knows this hence his comments and he will also have known he would get abuse for it, part and parcel of the game?! Okay, the chanting was distasteful and not very original but should it be banned??

    The moron who assaulted Chris Kirkland took it way too far (my question would also be what were the Sheff Wed stewards doing??) and chants about Dave Jones court case were well beyond acceptable as would be the case with Munich or Hillsbrough.

    But Where/How do we draw the line?

  • Comment number 28.

    I am a loyal Sunderland fan and staring at defeat with 5 or so minutes to go is one of the worst feelings I can have as a fan of the team, naturally. Even worse when we lacked any sort of cutting edge, I thought Newcastle defended perfectly, didn't waste energy as they knew what was coming and how to defend it.

    Lucky to escape with a point and the start to the season has been very much like this game unfortunately.

    My one readon for optimism is that cattermole and bardsley will be in for the next game, this will allow for Gardner to partner Lee in CM (creativity we need).

    I think McClean has been woeful this season, I would stick Larsson out right and Johnson left wing and that should be the creative spark we need going forward. If this is our bad spell for the season in terms of form I will be happy, if it goes on much longer I would start to worry.

  • Comment number 29.

    The racist chanting is just one idiot who should be dealt with, and the chants directed at Titus Bramble, Lee Cattermole and Steven Taylor are nothing to serious. No one has physically threatened Taylor and I'm sure he dosen't care what they think of him.

    There were a few things thrown on the pitch (Paper I think) but all of this dosen't seem to bad considering. Think the draw keeps everyone happy and probably helps with these sorts of problems.

    Also am I the only one who dosen't think that was a red card?

  • Comment number 30.

    I was there as a ST holder. The way I look at it 'parking the bus' is well within our right to do. You can't win the game by yourself, then simply try to stop the opposition from winning. That is my thinking.

  • Comment number 31.

    not much quality in this game and Sunderland certainly missed cattermole.

    Fletcher is isolated up there, nobody to play off but is a genuine goal threat.

    one selfish point from me a Man City fan...................EDIN DZEKO, what you talking about fool i aint no super sub!

  • Comment number 32.

    P.S. it wasnt a red.

  • Comment number 33.

    I am a Man City fan but having watched the Sunderland game I was amazed the media and fans alike never picked up on two incidents during this game. Firstly when Newcastle scored in the 2nd minute their celebrations were clearly meant to offend the Sunderland fans at that end of the ground, their players were clearly trying to rub it in on those fans and considering the current climate in football with all this racial issues causing lots of concerns and fears this particular piece of goal celebrating was totally out of order.
    At the end of the game we all witnessed Alan Pardew raising his arm with a clenched fist and intially I personally thought he was saluting his own fans but no he wasn't he was taunting the Sunderland fans at the same end his team scored their goal --SHAME ON YOU Alan Pardew, how can we expect to eradicate hatred in the game when managers and their players are behaving themselves in this appalling and unsporting fashion? Lets not forget either the comments of Steven Taylor before the game, could this conduct be an issue for the F.A> discip;inary committee I wonder?

  • Comment number 34.

    31.At 10:36 22nd Oct 2012, signori wrote:
    not much quality in this game and Sunderland certainly missed cattermole.

    Fletcher is isolated up there, nobody to play off but is a genuine goal threat.

    one selfish point from me a Man City fan...................EDIN DZEKO, what you talking about fool i aint no super sub!
    _____________________

    Hahaha! Well played from city.........shows a difference of character though, dzeko comes on and scores 2 goals THEN says he's not happy / comfortable starting as a sub. Where as tevez complains before / during the match about it! Lol

    Dzeko is becoming a kuyt player. I don't like him because he always pops up with important goals! Grrrr

  • Comment number 35.

    31,

    After the sending off the game was boring. With two teams playing with one striker isolated up top, You looked better once Saha came on but think you need some one different (better) to partner Fletcher.

    If you had Johnson and Larsson on the wings as 28 suggest and two up top I think you would probably be getting more shots on target. With cattemrole and gardner in the middle you should be able to deal with the threat of some of the weaker teams. But if you play the top teams 4-5-1 is probably the way to go.

    As a Newcatle Fan though can't see why you would take that approach against us. Especcially once we were down to ten. I was expecting changes at half time to give you more threat up top and was grateful they didn't come til later

  • Comment number 36.

    @29

    "am I the only one who dosen't think that was a red card"

    You should be! Ask yourself why when the ball is on the ground, he makes a straight legged studs up tackle around fletcher's knee caps? No to mention that he was later than a London Bus!

  • Comment number 37.

    @36

    He caught him on the shin pads, was not that high. Not as high as say a studs up kick to the chest that Larsson delievered to Ameobi.

    But the ref let a lot of challenges go with out getting the card out, thought it was a yellow at most. But thats just my opinion but both were going for the ball Fletcher takes it and Tiote catches him. It's miss timed but wasn't that reckless, he's caught him on the follow through that's why he caught him high. Looks as though he's trying to hoof the ball, which is gone by the time he gets there and catches someone.

  • Comment number 38.

    @15

    It is exactly this kind of attitude that gives license to the BBC to never pay any attention to teams outside the top 5 (the exception being Liverpool, because apparently they were once rulers of the universe... or something...? I'm a bit sketchy on the details).

    It is nice once in a while for a blog to be about one (or two) of these "irrelevent" teams.

    And no, we don't think the rest of the country cares. Why would we? It's a pretty exciting and unique fixture for us, that's all we think.

  • Comment number 39.

    You have to agree with everything Taylor said.

    Player for player Newcastle are a better side & this was proven yesterday.

    Tiote > Cattermole
    Ben Arfa > Johnson
    Coloccini > O'shea
    Santon > Rose
    Cabaye > there whole team. Even the spainish national coach was recently quoted in saying Cabaye is the french Xavi.

    If our player is their second top goal scorer it really shows how poor they are.

    OH COLOCCINI I WANT YOUR CURLY HAIR TOOOOOOOOOO

  • Comment number 40.

    39.At 11:09 22nd Oct 2012, Newcastle_Mk wrote:
    You have to agree with everything Taylor said.

    Player for player Newcastle are a better side & this was proven yesterday.
    _____________________

    Because it finished as a 1-1 draw???

  • Comment number 41.

    @40


    You have watched games before. Sometimes the score line never refelts game

  • Comment number 42.

    33. Sunderland fan sticking up for the Newcastle goal celebration and Pardew - Newcastle fans were in the top tier at that end and in my opinion the players and Pardew were both looking up at the top tier. Yes, it was in front of the Sunderland fans but that's because they happened to be in the bottom tier.

    Watching MOTD2 last night - Shearer thought it was worthy of a red card, and I think that says it all. No-one saying he tried to 'do' Fletcher but we've seen red cards for less than what Tiote did. In saying that we've seen worse tackles go unpunished, so you make your own mind up. If Fletcher had done the same to Tiote I'm sure Newcastle fans would be saying he should have walked, so maybe the right decision was made.

    As for the game itself - very much the story of Sunderland's season - much too reliant on Fletcher to score goals but when you don't give him the support or service then you will struggle - especially against a team that defended excellently. Never been a big fan of Coloccini (maybe I'm biased) but the lad was superb yesterday and can count himself unlucky not to be on the winning side.

    As for those people criticising the derby - give yourself a shake. Whoever you support your 'derby' is passionate, the rivalry is intense and who cares what the rest of the country think - it's about bragging rights in the workplace, at school, with your neighbours. Whether you've won anything or not - are we saying derbies only count as 'passionate' if the two clubs are successful. I'm not saying the 'tyne-wear' derby is more or less intense than the Manchester derby, the Old Firm, Ipswich/Norwich, Villa/Birmingham, Arsenal/Spurs etc. It's the one that matters to you.

  • Comment number 43.

    @40

    I've read enough of your comments to know you are more intelligent than to actually believe that is a valid point.

    Although I'm surprised you're bothering to engage with someone who is so black and white they believe the sun shines out of Ameobi's arse. It's a losing battle, trust me. I live in the NE.

  • Comment number 44.

    42. dave

    agreed, it doesnt take a genius to work out that the Newcastle fans were in the top tier hence the celebrations.

    and to be honest im still not sure of that it was a red, Tiote was late and mis-timed his challenge, it wasnt reckless or out of controll just a poor challenge, the refs seem to get caught up in it all too, this changed the flow of the game, shame really.

  • Comment number 45.

    41.At 11:23 22nd Oct 2012, Newcastle_Mk wrote:
    @40


    You have watched games before. Sometimes the score line never refelts game
    ___________________

    Yeah I have heard of 1-1 "thrashings". Although in this case, it was clear that Newcastle were fortunate to come away with a point.

    Also not sure why people are saying tiote > cattermole? Cattermole didn't even play yesterday!!

  • Comment number 46.

    #37
    If he's trying to hoof the ball, the ball was on the floor. Either he's a total donkey with absolutely no co-ordination whatsoever that shouldn't be a footballer, or he was frustrated at being fouled and lashed out at Fletcher in frustration.

  • Comment number 47.

    43.At 11:26 22nd Oct 2012, Bedrinonen wrote:
    @40

    I've read enough of your comments to know you are more intelligent than to actually believe that is a valid point.
    ________________________

    Flattery will get you nowhere!! ;)

    I am just pointing out the futility that a draw can somehow demonstrate one team's clear superiority to the other.

    Newcastle are way off their form last year. Probably because CIsse has been found out. They will be lucky to keep cabaye for long.

  • Comment number 48.

    46.Weallfollowunited

    you sound a big fan of Tiote.

  • Comment number 49.

    At the end of the season it will be clear which team is better than the other. Yes you can say "we beat you so we are the better team" but any team can have an off day or likewise be superb on any given day.

    Let's not forget Sunderland took 4 points off Man City last year, and it could have been 6. Does that mean Sunderland were a better team? Of course not - look at the league table at the end of the season. That's how you decide who is the better team.

    Or we'll be in the situation where we'll be saying "Bradford beat Swindon, but Swindon beat Norwich, Norwich beat Arsenal, but Man City beat Arsenal, so Bradford are better than Man City". Apologies to Bradford fans but you hopefully get the gist!

  • Comment number 50.

    #46
    He's certainly not a donkey, so i'd suggest it was my second suggestion that has more weight behind it.

  • Comment number 51.

    I agree that Sunderland are not playing well despite the theoretically exciting and talented signings of Johnson and Fletcher.

    I think there is a simple two word explanation for why the fairly good set of players in the squad aren't getting it right - CRAIG GARDNER.

    Those who have played football much themselves are familiar with his type - he's what you'd call a "give me the ball" type.

    He wants to score all the time, and yesterday took FIVE SHOTS on goal (check the BBC text to see) without scoring once or even coming very close.

    His goal scoring record for Sunderland - a mere 3 goals in 36 games.

    Fletcher's record since he signed - 5 goals in 5 games.

    Fletcher, obviously a class striker, didn't have ONE shot, only one headed attempt at goal. Johnson only had one shot also.

    Craig Gardner isn't the one one who squanders chances, but he's the main culprit, and I think this is why Martin O'Neil's teams have been having such trouble scoring goals - he's not bossing the team, like his mentor Cloughie used to do, he's letting players squander chances left, right and centre, instead of demanding that the most dangerous and skilful players are fed the ball as much as possible.

    Sunderland will be lucky to end up in the top half of the table if MON doesn't get a grip of his team and start organising the attack better.

  • Comment number 52.

    From the picture at the top, it looks like Pardew is doing his "bit" for the "kick it out campaign" with his "black power" salute.

  • Comment number 53.

    52., Eduard_Streltsov_Ghost

    I give that comment 2 minutes........................

  • Comment number 54.

    53.At 12:03 22nd Oct 2012, signori wrote:
    I give that comment 2 minutes........................
    _____________________

    11 minutes and counting! :P

  • Comment number 55.

    Martin O'Neil teams are essentially set up in a negative, counter-attacking style. This is fine if they are trying to defend a 1-0 lead or frustrate a "better" team, but today showed that his team have a real lack of creativity and imagination.

    The Sunderland players really didn't know what to do when they had to chase the game. There was no plan B. Also, O'Neil likes to play his "first XI" week in, week out, without using his squad. The result is fatigue and player burn-out in the latter stages of the season. This happened at Sunderland last season, and at Villa for several seasons before that.

    O'Neil is a decent manager at organising a team, but his limitations are now apparent, and he is starting to look like a rather over-rated dinosaur.

    The Newcastle players should be proud of their heroic efforts today. Coloccini was superb. A highly creditable draw!

    By the way, has anyone ever seen Martin O'Neil smile???!

  • Comment number 56.

    54.At 12:06 22nd Oct 2012, Eduard_Streltsov_Ghost wrote:

    God this is a boring blog today! Surely something more exciting happened this weekend then a 1-1 derby draw.

  • Comment number 57.

    clummers

    I missed my usual game at the weekend, to go to Ascot. Guess i made the right choice.

    Your right though football wise, the weekend was nothing special and this game was poor, poor, poor. I wrote earlier about struggling to get through the match yesterday afternoon.

    Some weekends are like that though and I expect a hell of a lot more next weekend.

  • Comment number 58.

    56.At 12:20 22nd Oct 2012, clummers wrote:
    54.At 12:06 22nd Oct 2012, Eduard_Streltsov_Ghost wrote:

    God this is a boring blog today! Surely something more exciting happened this weekend then a 1-1 derby draw.
    _________________

    There's a more interesting discussion on the CFC Spurs game on McNulty's other blog. He must've been doing overtime this week!!

  • Comment number 59.

    57.At 12:31 22nd Oct 2012, Londoner in exile returns wrote:
    clummers

    I missed my usual game at the weekend, to go to Ascot. Guess i made the right choice.
    ________________________

    Did you make any bets?

  • Comment number 60.

    57.At 12:31 22nd Oct 2012, Londoner in exile returns wrote:

    You have got to hope that a merseyside derby and Chelsea v United on Sunday will give us plenty to talk about. Also the week after gives us the perfect time to review how teams are fairing after 10 games.

    With Champions league groups stages about to hit the half way point also the next few weeks will hopefully be more exciting.

    Even though this weekend we have had
    The Leeds fan attacking a Kirkland
    The T-shirt issue
    And its about time one of the writers had a go at Balotelli or AVB etc its been a few weeks without one of them getting abused ;-)

  • Comment number 61.

    60.At 12:44 22nd Oct 2012, clummers wrote:
    ____________________

    You forgot about the other landmark event that occurred this weekend???!!! I'd have thought you of all people would have commented on it!!

  • Comment number 62.

    61.At 12:52 22nd Oct 2012, Eduard_Streltsov_Ghost wrote:

    I hope you are not talking about the return to normal service at Anfield

  • Comment number 63.

    #15 you are very amusing. You are so disinterested in the discussion surrounding SAFC v NUFC that you feel the need to comment. Why bother if you claim to be not interested?

    As for it being pointless, it's a league game contested by two teams in the league same as any other of the weekend's games. It's of great significance to the supporters of both teams as it's their local derby, but doesn't mean that much to supporters of other teams. Then again, who other than the fans of Liverpool and Everton cares about the game between the two?

    Your comment sadly falls into the usual category of childish football supporters using any excuse to insult the fans of other clubs. Time to grow up son.

  • Comment number 64.

    62.At 12:58 22nd Oct 2012, clummers wrote:
    61.At 12:52 22nd Oct 2012, Eduard_Streltsov_Ghost wrote:

    I hope you are not talking about the return to normal service at Anfield
    _______________________

    Hahaha getting as many victories as man utd at the same ground this season!! ;)

    Surely that is a worthy article? I'm waiting for the Sterling / Giggs comparisons....

  • Comment number 65.

    #33 A bizarre interpretation of events!

  • Comment number 66.

    hahahahahahahahahahaha

  • Comment number 67.

    Is that a black power salute from Alan Pardew? Somebody needs to point out to him that he is white [or at least black and white striped]!

  • Comment number 68.

    @45 - And why wasn't he playing yesterday? Oh yeah that's right he was banned for YET another sending off. The guy is nothing more than a championship standard hacker.

  • Comment number 69.

    Conceding an early goal it could have been a lot worse for us Sunderland fans. God knows what went through Tiote's mind when he needlessly lashed out but it gave us a route back in the game that didn't look likely through our own play for most of the game. Our central midfield pair were not up to the occasion and O'Neil needs to deal with our style of play through the midfield as there are two many long/chipped balls not going anywhere effective and we look poor in possession. When Johnson was drawing out two/three players we should have been capitalising on free space yet nobody seemed able to take advantage. Fletcher isolated and no decent quality in service. Sess, Johnson and McClean all failed to deliver what we know is capable of them and when your fullbacks look your most dangerous players, there is a slight problem. I think the solution to much of Sunderland's problems start from resolving issues in central midfield and players hitting form.

    For all of that, we didn't lose and at the very least we kept on plugging away until the end and Demba Ba's finishing was top class.

    One last thing, I do rate Collocini but if Sunderland's attack was so poor, did he really have that much to do? (I jest)

  • Comment number 70.

    O'Neill exposed again.....His teams have no imagination whatsoever, yet somehow he seems to escape critisicm from the media. Sunderland had numerical advantage for over an hour and not only were the players not good enough, their manager also didn't seem to understand how to at least make it a little more difficult for Newcastle. Another very poor showing by Sunderland and I do wonder how long it will take before O'Neill starts getting stick for basically being a poor manager. Fairplay to Newcastle, it looks as though last season wasn't a one-off, they should be challenging for europa league spots this year again.

  • Comment number 71.

    68.At 13:17 22nd Oct 2012, Reinasbaldhead wrote:
    @45 - And why wasn't he playing yesterday? Oh yeah that's right he was banned for YET another sending off. The guy is nothing more than a championship standard hacker.
    __________________

    Well spearing is in the championship, and the other one (lucas) is injured.

    cattermole is a class act, and was the difference that Sunderalnd missed. That's 3 points in the last 2 games they've dropped!

    Thought you'd be happy with LFC's landmark home win....

  • Comment number 72.

    @71 - What has Spearing or Lucas got to do with a blog on Newcastle & Sunderland? Sad...very sad!

  • Comment number 73.

    72.At 13:44 22nd Oct 2012, Reinasbaldhead wrote:
    @71 - What has Spearing or Lucas got to do with a blog on Newcastle & Sunderland? Sad...very sad!
    _______________________

    You mentioned "champoinship standard hackers". I gave some examples!

  • Comment number 74.

    One is on loan to Bolton and has a great discipline record the other is a Brazil international. Again...sad, very very sad.

  • Comment number 75.

    74.At 13:48 22nd Oct 2012, Reinasbaldhead wrote:
    One is on loan to Bolton and has a great discipline record the other is a Brazil international. Again...sad, very very sad.
    ____________________

    So one does play in the championship then? The other has as many caps as Kleberson!

    Anyway, the point is that Sunderland missed cattermole, especially with the extra man. His presence balances out their midfield. It would have allowed their fullbacks to go forward and cattermole would have filled in the gaps.

    I do feel they also miss the penetration of richardson and elmouhamady, but O'Neill's teams are set out to essentially defend and counter attack.

    And for those wondering the last time he smiled. Probably when Leicester won the Worthington Cup.

  • Comment number 76.

    @72 Baldhead

    Hi there me ol Cue Ball :)

    you must admit ESG is on top form today :)

  • Comment number 77.

    @75 - Sad that you are that obsessed with LFC that you have to mention it in a blog about Newcastle & Sunderland...oh dear!

  • Comment number 78.

    @76 - I think it goes to show that ESG needs to grow up before anyone can take his comments seriously again

  • Comment number 79.

    78.At 13:59 22nd Oct 2012, Reinasbaldhead wrote:
    @76 - I think it goes to show that ESG needs to grow up before anyone can take his comments seriously again
    ---------------

    I think it shows the average Pool fan's sense of humour!

  • Comment number 80.

    I don't have a problem with Taylor's comments at all. A bit of friendly banter before big match against their fierce rivals. Whatsmore, i think he's right. I don't think any of Sunderland's players would get in the Toon's first 11.

    Press conferences would be a lot more interesting if there were more comments like this instead of what we get from other players and managers - robotic, monotone, cliched, dour etc etc

  • Comment number 81.

    @79 - Hey I don't mind banter and a laugh but ESG is getting to a tedious stage.

  • Comment number 82.

    I think AP's salute is perfectly harmless and would not draw any conclusions.

    Or is Punching the air with delight to be banned also.

    I think the media in general should give this attention to Racism a wide berth.

    those actually " guilty " let them be dealt with via the proper channels IMO its all getting a bit much .

  • Comment number 83.

    I think O'Neil has a tough job at Sunderland and it could be 2-3 years before we see O'Neil's Sunderland. Too much deadwood and average Joe's bought by a dreadful manager in Steve Bruce.

  • Comment number 84.

    81.At 14:06 22nd Oct 2012, Reinasbaldhead wrote:
    @79 - Hey I don't mind banter and a laugh but ESG is getting to a tedious stage.
    _______________________

    It was a harmless joke after you claimed that Sunderland's best midfielder is a championship hacker. I'd have thought you'd be elated after LFC's landmark win, and young Sterling bagging his first goal??

    Guess not.

    I thought they were good value for their money, sterling and suso.

    Also funny that people complain that Phil only covers the usual 5 teams, yet when he covers someone else like in this blog, people complain it's boring!! Poor Phil can't win either way.

  • Comment number 85.

    Believe me, we don't miss Elmo. The lad was hardly a regular and I don't think he ever started a game under O'Neill.

  • Comment number 86.

    I love how Sunderland are so poor up front that Demba Ba is their 2nd highest scorer this season...

  • Comment number 87.

    @80

    :) how did that username get past the mods :) :)

  • Comment number 88.

    @84 - Hardly landmark when we had crushed Norwich away! Glad we have good young players like Sterling and Suso but kids won't win you anything in today's league and cups. We need at least 1 striker, if not 2.
    Catermole is a hacker and until he improves his red & yellow card reord that's all you can class him as. Tackling is an art and he is no artist, all good holding midfielders do not need to go to ground to win the ball and break up play.

  • Comment number 89.

    87.At 14:13 22nd Oct 2012, HaHA CharadeYouAre2 wrote:
    @80 :) how did that username get past the mods :) :)
    ------------

    Given the quality of half that gets posted here are you surprsied? XD

  • Comment number 90.

    I'm a massive Sunderland fan and whilst there is no question Newcastle's defending was magnificent and extremely difficult to break down, to say Sunderland were lucky to get a point I think is a little harsh on us.

    True we did not make full use of the extra man advantage but (whilst we were dreadful 1st half and with all due respect) in the 2nd half I do not remember Newcastle getting out of their own half apart from two or three counter attacks and one or two corners. I felt we dominated the second period and easily deserved a draw for the pressure we piled on them, regardless of the fact we were wasteful. However I could also argue the fact that in the 1-1 game on Tyneside in March, despite them having a numerical advantage they were just as wasteful, even though their equaliser had been long coming.

    Besides, Newcastle made it difficult for us to break through which was more the reason why we didn't look as threatening as we could. 1-1 was the correct result but that's just what I think.

  • Comment number 91.

    88.At 14:18 22nd Oct 2012, Reinasbaldhead wrote:
    Catermole is a hacker and until he improves his red & yellow card reord that's all you can class him as. Tackling is an art and he is no artist, all good holding midfielders do not need to go to ground to win the ball and break up play.
    ---------

    Some people would classify Tracey Emin and Damien Hirst as artists...

  • Comment number 92.

    88.At 14:18 22nd Oct 2012, Reinasbaldhead wrote:
    Catermole is a hacker and until he improves his red & yellow card reord that's all you can class him as.
    ______________________

    Tiote's record is just as bad as Cattermole's. Mascherano had a worse record than Cattermole when he left for Barca. Are these guys championship hackers as well?

    Anyone will tell you that midfield is poor without cattermole's aggressive prescense.

    As for the Bruce dig, I wouldn't count Gyan, Bent etc as deadwood. He was unlucky to suffer injuries and a loss of form. I haven't seen any improvement under O'Neill.

  • Comment number 93.

    @91 - Who does Emin play for?

  • Comment number 94.

    76.At 13:58 22nd Oct 2012, HaHA CharadeYouAre2 wrote:
    @72 Baldhead

    Hi there me ol Cue Ball :)

    you must admit ESG is on top form today :)
    ______________________

    I'm surprised you've been fairly quiet today! It was good weather for fishing on the weekend....

  • Comment number 95.

    @89 EW

    Its a conversation piece thats for sure, I am sure ESG will pick up on it soon :)

    as for " quality " thank you for the compliment at least someone has noticed the input I have on proceedings :)

  • Comment number 96.

    @94 ESG

    No, alas it was to wet to fish.

    I am quiet because I have to work , plus my multi tasking skills are not what they used to be.

  • Comment number 97.

    @92 - I think Javier only got 2 or 3 reds. As for Bent & Gyan, Gyan was a poor buy and Bent didn't want to play for Bruce.

  • Comment number 98.

    @92 Tiote- Yes, he can pass slightly better than Cattermole maybe but I think he's getting carried away with the perception he is a 'hard man' in the middle of the pitch and feels the need to get stuck in when its not necessary when he can't tackle that well

    Mascherano, wouldn't say was the greatest tackler not quite champinoship standard. But miles better than the others in terms of every other part of the game

    But I think you may of being sarcastic

  • Comment number 99.

    Adam Johnson proving now that the reason he didn't get a lot of starts at City was simply that he wasn't good enough. Folk on here are (rightly) saying that he would maybe make the Newcastle bench, but people were surprised when he wasn't playing for the Champions? He doesn't work hard enough, doesn't tackle, and is a bit one dimensional going forward.

  • Comment number 100.

    I dont know why, but since the heady days of Super Kev & Quinny we just dont perform against the Mags. Nevertheless as bad as we were still managed to scrape a point, as for Shearer slagging us it really is laughable, it was only 3 weeks ago he was saying on MOTD we were looking a good side who would score goals. But, Hey what would you expect from a Mag, please keep the faith the truth is we've only lost once & its the middle of October.

 

Page 1 of 4

BBC © 2014 The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. Read more.

This page is best viewed in an up-to-date web browser with style sheets (CSS) enabled. While you will be able to view the content of this page in your current browser, you will not be able to get the full visual experience. Please consider upgrading your browser software or enabling style sheets (CSS) if you are able to do so.