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Ashley's short-term gamble

Phil McNulty | 14:06 UK time, Friday, 26 September 2008

Newcastle United's appointment of Joe Kinnear as interim manager is proof that owner Mike Ashley and his sidekick Dennis Wise will not be bowing to the mob - and that the club has unlimited powers to surprise.

"Cockney Mafia Out" has been one of the core themes from Newcastle protesters demanding the removal of men like Wise and Derek Llambias after Kevin Keegan's exit.

And despite an international career with the Republic of Ireland, Kinnear is very much regarded as an honorary southerner after a lengthy playing career at Spurs and a managerial reputation forged in the "Crazy Gang" hothouse of Wimbledon.

This means the arrival of the 61-year-old, who has been out of football since leaving Nottingham Forest in 2004, is hardly going to push the protesters from the gates of St James' Park.

It is a pick right out of left-field - and one that suggests the list of potential candidates Ashley and Wise were working their way through might have been as long as the Channel Tunnel.

After names such as Terry Venables, David O'Leary, Glenn Hoddle and Alan Curbishley were bandied about, the appointment of Kinnear will not be received with huge acclaim.

But in their current situation, beggars cannot be choosers and Newcastle have gone for a month of stability, and hopefully recovery, rather than let their season disintegrate further.

And having seen Kinnear at close quarters on many occasions in his managerial career, he is someone who will love the scrap he has got himself into at Newcastle, and will actually relish the idea of putting egg on potential critics' faces.

He will not be cowed by big names and big reputations, and will not allow anyone at Newcastle to wallow in self-pity.

Kinnear revelled in the "us against the world" environment of Wimbledon, but he is not remembered with great affection by Forest fans, who will be as stunned as the rest of us by Newcastle's latest move.

But are things at Newcastle now so bad that they have drafted in someone who has not worked in management for four years to steady the ship for a month?

It would seem they are.

Kinnear says he is excited by the challenge, and having seen him in action I believe him - but he has got a huge task to win over the hearts and minds of the Newcastle public, if only for a few weeks.

He has to turn around a team that is fragile, low on morale and a support that has started to do what few ever believed they would - vote with their feet.

Kinnear must also quickly re-acquaint himself with the modern game after years on the sidelines - Newcastle fans will be watching his every move and they are currently in unforgiving mood.

Will his methods work on superstars such as Michael Owen? Will some of Newcastle's newer faces have even heard of him?

These are the hurdles he must clear, but it would be unfair and unwise to simply write Kinnear off as a lost cause before he has seen a ball kicked in anger and he is only likely to be in place for a few weeks.

Football fans are notoriously fickle. If Kinnear applies a quick fix and Newcastle actually start winning football matches, fans will not care if he is from Mile End or Manhattan.

It is a short-term gamble of major proportions by Ashley and Wise - and it will need to pay off almost instantly if it not to be seen as another maverick move by an owner whose feel for football, and Newcastle in particular, is being seriously questioned.

Newcastle is a circus, a soap opera, a black comedy, a farce - but it is never dull.


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  • Comment number 1.

    I still reckon it's not a real appointment, and some journalist just overheard Mike Ashley saying "It's a joke in 'ere"

  • Comment number 2.

    Being turned down by a series of "big name" managers and then having to resort to someone who's been out of the game for four years is exactly what happened with Keegan's appointment. It seems that this is Ashley's M.O.

  • Comment number 3.

    Well, you have to say thanks to Newcastle United for providing top quality entertainment for us all throughout the entire month of September! What happens next is hard to say........

  • Comment number 4.

    Some of the stuff being said about Joe is a disgrace, on the 606 forum. Give the guy a chance, he is tough as they come and will not give any excesses and will get the team some results. He had seven years at Wimbledon where everyone wrote us off and look how well we did. His heart attack really was the beginning of things to go wrong for us. He is a hero at Wimbledon. Hope he sorts Newcastle out and deserves the support of the fans. Best of luck Joe.

  • Comment number 5.

    Joe Kinnear? You're having a laugh. Ha ha ha ha! He probably knows less about modern football than Keegan (and that's saying something: Keegan knows diddley squat) and I can just imagine the fans' reaction when Newcastle resort to Wombledon's route one style circa 1980s. I suppose we've now reached rock bottom so things can only get better. Where have I heard that before?!

  • Comment number 6.

    Could have been a lot worse - he's a decent manager and i wish him the best - not bad for a short term solution, plus i'm happy to see him back in the game more than anything!

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  • Comment number 8.

    Baffling appointment. It really shows how bad things have got that nobody else wants to touch the club. Even Terry Venables turned them down, and he was part of the Leeds quagmire of a few years ago. I think, unless he didn't like their offer, the club have made a mistake in not picking up David O'Leary. Sure, it's been a couple of years, but he has a far better knowledge of the Premiership and is ambitious, something he picked up when serving under George Graham.

    I'm not going to state that I think Kinnear will fail and that Newcastle are doomed, because I don't know what will happen. I didn't have much faith in Roy Hodgson last season at Fulham and he turned them round. Still, the last thing Newcastle need is another calamity and this is starting to look alot like that. Hope I'm wrong.

  • Comment number 9.

    I wasn't a Keegan fan and don't think Ashley is totally to blame in all of the fun and games to date. However, Joe Kinnear - that'll motivate the players!!!!! I don't want Keegan back but I don't want some tin pot manager!

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  • Comment number 11.

    It's not really a gamble of major proportions. Everyone agrees the current caretaker manager just is NOT up to the task and hasn't got a clue. To be honest... anything is an improvement! I'm not going to be expecting much from the new manager... if he can get us a couple of wins under our belt then excellent. However I doubt he'll be able to drag the team that's acting so lazy and pathetic right now, to do anything worthwhile.

    I'm just going to try and enjoy the ride as best I can while hoping and praying we can get out of the relegation zone sooner rather than later!

  • Comment number 12.

    #1 Oh dear. It is Friday afternoon though so I'll let you off!

    Newcastle United is not a circus or a soap opera, it is a very badly run organisation. I think the mags would be unstoppable, if they could only get started.

  • Comment number 13.

    Nice one Ashley, give 'em what they deserve!
    Great fans? No...Man U and Man C had higher average gates when they tumbled out of the top league.

    The crazy gang.
    Oh let's see Newcastle rebranded/become extinct

  • Comment number 14.

    C'mon, Toonies, you're nowhere near getting a full time manager and Hughton was going only one way and that wasn't up. So let the long ball king steady the ship. He'll play a big guy alongside Owen, Owen will score a hatfull and although it won't be pretty, you can enjoy the relative success of midtable before the next surprise comes knocking.
    I'll keep everything crossed for you

  • Comment number 15.

    9. "tin pot manager"

    That'll be the tin pot that they call the FA Cup, which I believe Joe Kinnear may have won more recently than Newcastle!

    7. Why is Denis Wise the "cancer of the club"? Newcastle was an appallingly run place long before he arrived. Bearing in mind he was recruited as Director of Football, what has he done that is so wrong? Apart from being an ex player that we all loved to hate. being short, cockney and having swivel eyes, what has he actually done that makes you all hate him? I'd be interested to know. (This from a Leeds fan who is by no means a fan of the man.)

  • Comment number 16.

    There are a few people smiling about the overexpectant Newcastl crowd who are at odds with reality for decades.

    But even those people couldnt have imagined the variety of shambles going on at SJP.

    Newcastle United need to bring down their yearly Manager count to 3.

  • Comment number 17.

    Talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel.

    Joe Kinnear? Out of football for over 18 months and a disaster at Nottingham Forest?

    Mike Ashley must be really desparate to go to the back of the dole queue to pick up Roy/Joe Kinnear.

    You're havin' a laugh

  • Comment number 18.

    I haven't laughed so much in years. This is more entertaining than a Geordie at a spelling bee!

    Maybe if the fans had a little more decorum and patience, and a lot more common sense they would give any new manager some time for them to settle down to the job, to suss things out and then buy and sell players as necessary. You are never going to win anything straight away - not any club!. Chelsea didn't after brammo bought them. It took a lot of money and a second manager before that happened.

    Newcastle have a hell of a long way to come to even stand a chance of winning trophies. Write this year off, the only thing you can hope for is to beat relegation. And lets face it, if you manage that you deserve to party!

  • Comment number 19.

    Ah cant kwite sayit in Toon speak . . . . . howwz duz ya say "Karazy Gahang" . . . . oh dear oh dear . . . it's clueless Kinnear.

  • Comment number 20.

    "And Kinnear is fully aware - and comfortable with - the fact the role is temporary. "

    Haha and since when was the manager's job at Newcastle anything more than temporary.

  • Comment number 21.

    down to new lows for the toon

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  • Comment number 23.


    He forced Keegan out of the club!!! And now he's recommending his old mates to take over (Venables/Kinnear). Then his signings have been average-to-rubbish bar Guttierez. It doesn't get more cancerous (in the footballing sense) than that.

    Also, Kinnear never won the FA cup as manager. If you're referring to his wimbledon days then that was 1988; JK took over in '92. So he is, in fact, a tin pot manager!!! He won it as a player (1967), 2 years before our last major trophy; so your argument completely falls apart.

  • Comment number 24.

    joe kinnear is as tough as old boots,an old school manager, wont take crap from any one however big their ego's. 'castles players might enjoy having a "gaffer" to relate to,at least they will have someone in charge who knows what he is talking about. a few old fashioned training methods could work wonders and perhaps take their minds off the farce that has developed over the last few weeks. give the guy a break ,slagging him off before he's even started,win of lose joe's teams always gave 100%.

  • Comment number 25.

    Phil, forest fan here and you are right i am shocked. He was RUBBISH. we were badly exposed at set pieces no cohesion, no idea.

    Newcastle to be bottom by Christmas the new owners will have bottled it and i am sure Joe will get a warm welcome when he returns to the city ground next year with newcastle in the championship.

  • Comment number 26.

    What is the matter with people?? - Kinnear was and still (probably) is a good manager.. he did an amzing job at Wimbledon and when he left there he was linked to be in contention for a number of supposedly big(ger) jobs... some of the comments on here show a complete lack of respect for a man who has achieved more in football than any of the people posting on here can dream about... and not only that who else in their right mind would take such a job.. even Venables who is looking to get back into the game turned it down... because the situation at NUFC is a joke.. not because of Ashley but because of the ridiculous expectations of fans of a football club that have not won anything since 1527 or whatever it is and who can't understand that Ashley has pumped loads of money into a white elephant of a club... and that whoever else comes in will almost certainly be worse!... after all ... who are these Nigerian investors anyway.. why are they suddenly going to restore the glory day (deliberately day not days) to a club that needs to just realise they are second rate?.. i don't mean that nastily - but they are clearly behind clubs such as Man U, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool... I just get the feeling that Newcastle fans would rather finish 4th from bottom of the league with Keegan in charge than spend 5 moins in the real world thinking about what is actually going on in the game!... NUFC just make the rest of the football world laugh...

  • Comment number 27.

    Why is everything about 'winning over the hearts of Newcastle fans'? The club's problem has been its kneejerk reaction to fan pressure for too many years.

    Yes, fans are the lifeblood of a club - I'm one myself - but we can't see the whole picture all the time, and clubs need to be strong and fcoused in the board room. Remember the Arsenal fans dismay at the unknown Wenger being signed? Or Man United fan's chanting for Ferguson out in 1989?

    For god's sake Newcastle show some backbone. And Newcastle fans, stop being so insular (and borderline racist). Where a man comes from is irrevelant, its his skills that count.

  • Comment number 28.

    He is not going to stay for more then 3 games..Newcastle will be sold by then and the new owners will first try to get back KK.
    This is the right move i guess

  • Comment number 29.

    Newcaslte.....5/1 for bet of the year so far!

  • Comment number 30.

    This whole situation sums up one of Newcastles biggest problems.

    The fans, while well meaning and devoted, have their head in the clouds and expect that the likes of Frank Rijkaard (yes, one fan actually suggested him on tv earlier) will happily come to a struggling average team in the cold north of England to manage a group of players who are overpaid (and in many cases past their best) without any kind of certaintly about the ownership of the club or how long they will be in the job.

    They need to face facts that Joe Kinnear is the best they can do until Ashley sells the club. They are lucky that anyone is willing to take the job right now.

  • Comment number 31.

    I only hope the Nigerian business man is genuine and not involved in the infamous scams that have originated in that country

  • Comment number 32.

    I have no problem with Kinnear, I think he's a genuinely nice bloke in the game, but this is yet another comedy appointment from Sid James' Park.

    And once again the fans behaviour has got everything to do with this. They've forced Ashley into selling, so no manager worth his salt is going to take the job when he could be out of one as soon as a buyer is found.

  • Comment number 33.

    I hope the Nigerian businessmen are dodgy dealers

  • Comment number 34.

    Venables a mate of Wise? I don't think so!!!! When Tel was the England boss he threw Wise out on his ear for playing like a hooligan against Greece.....

  • Comment number 35.

    Any England fan who ridicules Newcastle fans for being unrealistic, fickle, self-righteous etc. is a total hypocrite!

  • Comment number 36.

    Newcastle are an absolute joke.

    Kinnear may have had some success at Wimbledon, but that was ten years ago, he's been out of the game for four years and by most accounts his last foray into management was unsuccessful. Newcastle have got to hope for a takeover to come prettty quickly, as if the current situation continues for too much longer they'll be looking at relegation.

    It'd be interesting to see what impact relegation would have on attendances at Newcastle, as although the fans herald themselves as some of the best fans in the country, last time they were outside the top flight attendance levels were slight in comparison to other bigger clubs during their periods outside of the top division.

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  • Comment number 38.

    The England squad is full of European Champions League finalists and winners (A. Cole, J. Cole, Beckham, Gerard, Lampard, Terry, Rooney and thats just off the top of my head) so by that very grounding has people believing they might be able to do something as a team.

    Meanwhile Newcastle haven't achieved anything in 40 years, and they still believe they deserve to be Top 5.

    Spot the difference?

  • Comment number 39.

    King Kevin they called the messiah
    In the league he would take them up higher
    He fell out with the Board
    And the Toon Army roared
    Now the club’s in a bit of a mire

    For transfers he got not one nickel
    So for quality Kev could not stickle
    So he walked out the door
    Geordie jaws hit the floor
    Now the club’s in a bit of a pickle

    Kev’s hair used to be just like brambles
    It’s true on occasion he rambles
    But now he’s away
    There’ll be hell to pay
    ‘Cos the club’s in a bit of a shambles

  • Comment number 40.

    Is this correct? "Mile End of Manhattan" - think you meant or, Phil!

    I wouldn't say Joe Kinnear is a bad oppointment, but then Roy Kinnear would be better at motivating the team than Chris Hughton!

    Wise is a poisonous little goblin who deserves nothing but misfortune to plague him and his kind until the day he descends, of course, but he's a bit of an easy target. I heard a radio show guest once say when Keegan walked away first time round "Ah, but Kevin Keegan is a winner." No, he's not - he certainly hasn't won anything as a manager, and frankly his record at Man. City was not one than inspired the people to chant his name, unlike the geordies, who seem perennially stuck ina time-loop where Keegan can be revered without others looking at you whilst laughing behind their hands.

    Quite right when you say it's a soap-opera, and the worst writersof all are the so-called legendary fans. Compared to City's fans (and I ahte City, it's in my blood to do so) they are nothing, The Arabs got 26,000 in League One the other year, Newcastle have been spoilt with quality like Shearer, someone who was prepared to basically torch his career and set on fire any chances of further medals to play for his home-town club. Admirable, maybe foolish, but extremely fortunate. They've had other great players and a pretty decent bloke called SIR BOBBY ROBSON, and they got rid of him (were they CRAZY?) If Allardyce would still have been in charge, there would have been a serious change in Newcastle's fortunes, and fraknly, labelling the guy with playing unattractive football when he toook bolton into the UEFA Cup is ludicrous, Newcastle are playing AWFUL football now, and were hradly setting the world on fire under Keegan this time round.

    The phrase 'problems of their own making' that you put in the everton blog earlier should have been in this one. Newcastle fans only have themselves to blame for this mess.

  • Comment number 41.

    I think Newcastle have done pretty well to find a manager of Joe Kinnears status on a rolling contract, no top class manager would touch such a contract. Plus, he has won more games than he has lost with all his previous clubs, not bad at all for a temp.

    This is purely a short term solution to a long term goal.

    I say support him, you've got him now, back him, he might just sort you guys out.

  • Comment number 42.


    And what have England achieved in 40 years??

    But it's true, newcastle are a joke ever since Freddie Shepherd made the 'mary poppins' remark . The Dalglish/Gullit era, the Dyer-Bowyer fight, the Souness reign of tactical ineptness, Albert Luque, Marcelino, Allardyce and his pro-zone nonsense.....Apart from Robson's days I could go on and on.

    But don't think this is the lowest of the low. We have the same fortunes as Eastenders' Billy Mitchell.

    Regardless of your feelings for the club, no fan deserves this tosh.

  • Comment number 43.


    All the best.

    You deserve some support! Other managers turned down the job, you are a courageous man to take it.

    Chris Hughton has failed to win a game or secure a point, if you can put some points on tha board for Newcastle, I'd hope Newcastle fans would accord you some respect for bring bold enough to help them

  • Comment number 44.

    Why wouldn't a top European manager take the job ?
    Rikjard (for example) could come in and ask for a 3 year contract and try and turn them around. If new owners come in and don't want him, he'll be out on his ear with a nice fat pay cheque. If they come in and like what he's doing then he'll have a pot of money come the transfer window to move things forward.
    And the sooner the thick Geordies move on from Bobby Robson/Kevin Keegan/Alan Shearer the better. It's 21st century football now this is the real world - not some Geordie fantasy Island.........

  • Comment number 45.


    I'm saying you cannot compare England and Newcastle, because whilst England haven't achieved anything in the last 40 years, it isn't because we aren't bringing in a high quality pedigree of players.

    If England played Newcastle tonight, they'd tear Newcastle apart.

    In fact, I'd pretty much put money on any team in the top 3 divisions playing Newcastle. Newcastle's heads are so far down at the moment, and once again its at the makings of the clubs so called "support". They haven't supported the team properly for years, driving out manager after manager, and at least 3 owners since they returned to the top flight with Keegan originally.

    You can blame manager after manager and owner after owner and chairman after chairman, the only thing that has consistently stayed the same in Newcastle is the supporters, and they've been consistently on the club's back as soon as they put together a run of 2 or 3 bad games.

    "You do it to yourself,
    You do,
    And thats what really hurts.
    You do it to yourself,
    You do.
    You and no one else."

  • Comment number 46.

    I think Newcastle are a team of big egos that will only answer to managers of high gravitas and status! ... Joe Kinnear has been out of management for 4 years!!

    ... If he is telling Michael Owen and co. how to play, I dont think players will take him seriously!

    Moreover, I dont think Joe Kinnear has the tactical brilliance to cut it with other managers of the Premiership!

    I feel sorry for players like Xisco and Corlecini, the games I have seen, they have been no bad!... they arrived at Newcastle and were greeted by KK, only for him to walk out and leave the team in the s***.

    btw Very good limerick 39!

  • Comment number 47.

    im sorry but
    "not won anything in 40 years and still think they deserve to be in the top 5"
    seems to me to decribe england fans quite well too.
    when was the last time england won anything? and before every major championship all you can get out of the fans is "we'r going all the way" and "easy win."
    i agree whole-heartedly with #35, how could any england fan try to slag-off the toon for expecting to win, you'r doing the exact same everytime an international comes around?
    fair enough newcastle need to get a grip, but the first thing new owners need to do is get wise out, appoint a 'smaller-name' manager, someone who might not hav the personality or skill of some of the others, but who will give his all for the club, and give him the full backing.
    at least then the players and fans might hav someone to support properly for the first time since the Robson/Shearer years.

  • Comment number 48.

    Anyone remember the heady days of Souness or even Big Sam?

    Listening to the fans has really paid off since the top 2 finish of 96/97 hasn't it. Get rid of every manager who they either just don't like or doesn't win the league within a season thats the way geordie.

    Gettting relagated mite be the best thing that could happen to them, might finally dispell the illusion of the "big club" and allow the club to get back on it's feet without stupid expectations.

    As an Arsenal fan living in Newcastle I'm dissapointed you couldn't even beat Spurs. I cheered with the Toon Army in the pub but we all went home dissapointed.

  • Comment number 49.


    How many Newcastle players have contested and won major honours at club level?


    How many England players have contested and won major honours at club level?

    And then tell me England fans are just as deluded than Newcastle fans.

    Cause if England fans are just as deluded, Newcastle fans are double your money for it!

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  • Comment number 51.

    I'm sorry but most of the reaction is typical of many Newcastle fans, you haven't even given him a chance yet. Who do you expect to take over? You've forced the owner of the club to sell, upset the moral of your own squad and basically made your club a laughing stock.

    I agree Mike Ashley hasn't done things perfectly but he's come in and put millions of his own money into the club, for what to be hounded out. As for Keegan he was going to quit no matter what, he always does, he would have found another excuse, he knew what Wise's job was, and to be fair I think if he is scouting all over the world for new talent and finding some then he's doing a good job. I agree though that Keegan should have had the last say if anyone is signed, was this the case?

    Newcastle fans want the world, you will never get an Ambramovich, they wouldn't touch the club with a barge pole as the fans have too much of an influence. I'm sorry to say it but Newcastle is not a big club, just because you get so many fans doesn't make you a big club, look at Leeds.

    Good luck Joe, I'm glad you're back in football, you are going to need it. All i can to say to Newcastle fans is to get behind your team, support Joe or you will be playing in the Championship next season.

  • Comment number 52.

    #35 hazwoz makes a good point. How many times before international tournaments have I heard that we're going to win the World up or the Euros, only to crash out?

    When we didn't qualify for this year's Euro Championships I was absolutely relieved not to have to go through that charade again.

  • Comment number 53.


    Heaven forbid you be melodramtic!

    I wouldn't be so sure about tearing newcastle apart. I'd say its 50:50, you don't know what team will show up after the recent andorra and croatia matches (hmmm sounds like a certain team I've supported over the years). Again, another aspect to my argument of england hypocrisy; build the team up to unforseen limits when you win, then banish them to the bowels of hell when they lose. WELCOME TO OUR WORLD!!haha.

    But seriously.....yeah we're screwed.

  • Comment number 54.

    Sorry thanks a lot bbc7 but it must be Friday.

    "But even those people couldnt have imagined the variety of shambles going on at SJP"

    SJP Sarah Jessica Parker what the hell does this have to do with sex and the city. Then the penny dropped SJP ah. :-)

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  • Comment number 56.

    'He has to turn around a team that is fragile, low on morale and a support that has started to do what few ever believed they would - vote with their feet.'

    What, in the same way they did before Keegan went there the 1st time?

    The idea of Newcastle fans as the most passionate and loyal in the country is a myth and fairy tale. They are the single biggest obstacle to the club's success with their unrealistic expectations.

  • Comment number 57.

    how have some people managed to turn a blog about Jo Kinnears appointment as Newcastle manager into a Newcastle v England debate... brilliant!... seems like a few of us have been in the pub at lunch time... but for what it is worth England are probably the Newcastle of international football.. every year / tournament we think we have a chance of winning it only to become depressed by the reality of being second rate!

    anyway - glad that Phil has written an article that has got some passions going...

    also - can't we just throw Newcastle out the league... tell the simple geordie fans that they have won the "special cup" and are top of the "northern monkey league" each year and that Keegan is Prime minister and Shearer is Jesus... and just let them be happy... i'm glad most people on here seem to have a similar lighthearted attitude to Newcastel and that i'm not on my own lauging at the ridiculousness of it all..

    i still think Kinnear is a good appontment... and would happily put money on that when he leaves the post they will be in a higher position in the league than when the prime minister (sorry i mean King Kev) left the job!

  • Comment number 58.

    There was nothing wrong with the 'cockney mafia" when England were winning the world cup was there? That said, Kinnear is as good as Newcastle is gong to get.Most competant managers would prefer to be sailing in Somalian waters on a luxury yacht than be hijacked on the Tyne.

  • Comment number 59.

    Newcastle had a good manager last season, a better one than Kevin Keegan, his name was Sam Allardyce, but he was condemned before he'd even been given a chance.

    Do Geordies even know what they're so upset with Ashley and Wise for? Daring to look beyond a very average manager who managed to throw away a huge lead in the league and finish second to Man United in 1996? Face it Geordies football has changed and your chance has gone, time to moderate the expectations.

    What man in their right mind would accept the Newcastle job, and if Keegan came back how long before he walks out again on the new owners like he's done in every other job?

    The reaction to Kinnear before he's even had a chance just shows that Newcastle's problem is their supporters and their lack of patients.

  • Comment number 60.

    There is nothing wrong with the Toon....Its the owners who are rubbish! Fan ownership is the only solution in the long term. We still might not win anything but we won't be embarrassed by the antics of greedy and deluded owners!

  • Comment number 61.

    56 - couldn't agree more!... so why don't any of the so called pundits come out and say it... or better still... why doesn't Hansen burst out laughing at shearer live on Match of the Day!

  • Comment number 62.

    60 - mike ashley has put about £250 million into the club... fan ownership? ... how much money could the fans put in? how would they pay a wage bill of £XXm per year?... its a lovely idea but once again something i would expect a geordie to come up with...

  • Comment number 63.

    How can anyone treat the club seriously? All that's left is to pave the streets of newcastle with gold for Bryan Robson's emotional homecoming as the next permanent manager! That would easily get NUFC nominated for a Golden Globe for best comedy act.

    TeaTimeAtHarrods: Have you ever heard Sir Alf Ramsey speak? It's more like Captain Mainwaring than Chas 'n Dave!

  • Comment number 64.

    Brilliant, absolutely brilliant. Just when you think there couldnt be another twist in the NUFC story, this happens.
    I am not sure as to wheter an invester would want to buy NUFC at this moment, maybe they will wait until NUFC is relegated and then swoop in for a low low price.

    Mike Ashley may actually have to have a real "going out of buisness sale" ;-)

  • Comment number 65.

    #60 Are you having a laugh, fan's ownership!! One you couldn't get the cash to buy the place, then where are you going to get the money to buy players from, pay the wage bill etc etc! Bloody hell you would end up protesting against each other, total carnage. Get a grip.

  • Comment number 66.

    HarrisChopper... please tell me which year Wise played against greece when ElTel was the manager...
    it certainly wasn't the 5-0 win in 1994

    so when was it... I'm curious...

  • Comment number 67.

    The way i see it is no one will want ruin thre reputation by going to a club in as much dissaray as newcastle on a short term contract as many of the managers work best with stability (curbishley at chrlton). They were never going to get these people in which can be seen by venebles turning it down so for them to get kinnear may seem strange but he has experience and he is totqally understanding of the situation, he isnt going there to be a hero for the geordies, he is going there to work to the best of his ability nd do his job!!

    If the newcastle fas hadnt gone on strie and forced ashley to publicly state his intention to sell the club he might of been able to get someone of more quality in for a more settled amount of time to help steady the ship. but NO the geordies protested and now no maanager will move up there cos they kno they could be looking for work as soon as its sold aas the first thing the new owners will do is to try get all the newcastle fans on their side by reappointing keegan and maybe even shearer!!

    But then what happens next yr wen newcastle dnt win trophies under keegan, will they spend the next 4 years supporting him whilst shifting the blame solely at the door of wise and ashley or will they revolt against the next owners tht dont bring them success!!!??

  • Comment number 68.

    Has anyone else heard the rumour that Billy the fish will take over from Kinnear at the end of October? He's certainly got excellent credentials for the next short-term managerial post at Newcastle and I think the fans would love him.

  • Comment number 69.

    The toon are a sinking ship going down. Watch the rats flee in January.

  • Comment number 70.

    We're talking about a premiership team here, not ebbsfleet. We're miles apart (excluding recent performances!).

    I'd like to see a young wipper-snapper in charge of the club. Someone in the mould of David Moyes when he left Preston. Maybe John Collins? Martinez? It's something we haven't tried since Keegan's first stint. Although the Ossie Ardiles reign of terror might quash that theory. Either way I think it's the only option left. No doubt a foreign owner will go for a continental flavour (probably a French nougat or German wiener)

  • Comment number 71.

    #68, i didnt hear about Billy the fish but i did hear a rumour about sid the sexist and/or Jimmy Nail.

  • Comment number 72.


    The problem at NUFC is NOT the supporters.
    All they have done over the years is turn up and support the team!
    Blaming supporters of any club is foolish.
    Were Wimbledon supporters to blame for moving the club to Milton Keynes? I think not!
    The blame lies at the hands of the many fools that "run" the vast majority of all our footie clubs.
    Please show some compassion for the very long-suffering Toon lads and lasses.

  • Comment number 73.

    A baffling decision - he managed to lose the dressing room and the fans in near record time at Forest (only Ron Atkinson lost it quicker by sitting in the away dugout on his debut!) by bringing in a bunch of old-cronies that were simply not good enough. cue the beginning of the worst ever period of being a Forest supporter.

    He has valuable experience, like Keegan, but he's also a big-talker and a massive quitter... just like Keegan.

    Who is in line for the full-time position then? Spit the dog?

  • Comment number 74.

    How much of a gamble is this, really? Joe admits himself he will only be around for 6-8 games; whatever happens in that time, it won't be a huge, pivotal chapter in Newcastle's history - probably the same as if any caretaker came in - a few losses, a few draws, maybe a win or two.

    That's not to say I think it will be a success - I don't think it will be. Although Joe did a very good job for us at Wimbledon, that was a club made for him and his personality and style. Newcastle will be sulking millionaires from a hundred different countries.

    He also had a bad heart attack, lest we forget, and I question the wisdom of even temporary employment in such an absurd environment as St. James Park.

    Good luck, anyway, Joe, for all you did at WFC - good days, they were.

  • Comment number 75.

    Joe Kinnear? Might aswell be Roy Kinnear! Ashley's having a giraffe!!

  • Comment number 76.

    So what if Joe Kinnear resorts to long-ball tactics? Let me remind you that in seven seasons with Wimbledon, a team with far fewer resources then Newcastle, they never came anywhere near the position that the Magpies find themselves in at the moment. Just because he's not a big name appointment...Geordies can hardly believe that top managers are queuing up at St James' Park to take that job, can they?

  • Comment number 77.

    Well call me fickle but I really thought we could have done better than this chap. I understand perfectly that wimbledon fans had some awesome memories under him but his fate in life was to manage that certain club. It was a match made in heaven. Anywhere else has been very poor by his WFC standards.

    Having said that, can anyone think of a manager that has been externally employed to manage a premiership side for a few games? To be fair there's not much to choose from at "Catering Managers 'R Us".

  • Comment number 78.

    You're reading too much into this, Phil.

    Who else was going to be prepared to do the job on a weekly wage, until booted out by new owners in a few weeks?

    Even El Tel had too much pride to swallow that arrangement.

    Kinnear didn't do too shabby a job at Forest, you know.

    All Newcastle want is to get as many points as they can eke out until the takeover happens.

    Maybe King Kev will return then.......

  • Comment number 79.

    Kinnear did not just play route one football.

    As for Wimbledon: when was the last time you saw the FA Cup in Newcastle? ha, ha

    Denis Wise did win the cup with Wimbledon.

    You are lucky to get Kinnear. He is a good manager.
    He won't cry in his tea when Newcastle concede a corner.

    Keegan what a joke! Shearer will be no better when he steps into the role.

    Newcastle, you are finished and it is only the fault of your supporters.

  • Comment number 80.

    ah just thought of one......venables at 'boro. D'oh!

  • Comment number 81.

    Hazwoz, I wasn't making an argument, I just thought it was funny that Kinnear was called a Tin Pot manager, when a tin pot is what Newcastle fans have been wanting to win for years!

    as for Wise, I still don't know what he did wrong (which is not me saying that he hasn't done anything wrong). Apart from the usual generalisation of him forcing out Keegan, I was interested to now whether anyone had any specifics.
    Mind you I still don't understand the angst at Keegan leaving. He ceratinly wasn't Ashley's first choice, and what Necastle really need is a sensible, thoughtful hardworking manager that is given a minimum of three years to quietly sort out the mess on a tight budget. (Like Moyes did at Everton)
    Trouble is Newcastle fans won't wait three years, so they'll drive the next one out, and the one after, always demading instant success or even improvement, and before they realise it another ten years would have passed.

  • Comment number 82.

    I think with Kinnear in they have all the ingredients they need for a top 4 finish, no doubt.


  • Comment number 83.

    Check the bar-codes out if they actually win a match they'll expect European football!

    Personally, I hope they win a couple of matches, the Nigerians stump up the pennies and Keegan is re-instated and carried aloft by the geordies on a cloud of false hope. KK to take them down - that would open their eyes. LOL

    Boro and Soonerlan' fans have got to be choking with laughter over this mess! These things always happen AFTER robbo has ranted about something esle - his thoughts here woould be better than McBloggy's.

  • Comment number 84.

    This is obviously Mike Ashley getting his own back on the supporters and having the last laugh before he sells the club.

  • Comment number 85.

    It is a gamble in the sense that if Kinnear comes in and things do not improve, then the mood around St James' Park will blacken even more.

    I am surprised Newcastle need a temporary manager for just a few weeks - it is not exactly a glowing testimony to Chris Hughton is it?

    I do wonder how his methods will work with people like Michael Owen at Newcastle.

    A previous poster was spot on in suggesting that Wimbledon was tailor-made for Kinnear. This is not, I should stress, a criticism.

    Kinnear revelled in that "Crazy Gang" mentality and their "us against the world attitude."

    He may only be there a few weeks, but they will still be important weeks.

  • Comment number 86.

    I have doubt on how it works out for Newcastle. I am afraid ( but don't want to) that Newcastle will going down this season and becoming the new Leeds.

    How can you fire (or force him out) the manager just after 4 games. Left it without a manager for another few games, losing them all. Then hire someone for another 5-6 games. Sell the club to someone else and then hire back the previous manager?

    It will certainly affect the players. They are not a very good side to start with. They escaped going down last term in very latter stage.

    Whose fault? Mostly the owner. But he owns the club and he has right to do what he wants to do whether it is wrong or not. I don't think the fans help the club at all. Protesting at the home game, boycotting the game. Think about that, how can you win with that. Even Hotspur beat them away, that shows how poor they are now.

    We will see if they can recover. But the fans also have responsiblity if they going down. Not just the owner.

  • Comment number 87.

    If he's not 'bowing to the mob'why is he so eager to cry to the police or put the club up for sale

  • Comment number 88.

    very good concrete news for nufc perhaps now they will naff off and get on with job of playing footy.

    hooray no more clap trap about " messiahs " now naff off nufc and give us all a rest from your saga.


    to JK any chance when you start can you boot the thug out the camp which is JB now that really would set down a marker for a bright future.

  • Comment number 89.


  • Comment number 90.

    So they ran out of options and Wisey calls up his old manager and says 'eh Joe, fancy a job, I bet you need the money'.
    'Cheers Den, I'm well skint mate. Any good dog racing up there mate? Got to have somewhere to treat the lads when they done well.'

  • Comment number 91.

    What Newcastle need now is stability - short term and long term, and I think Kinnear will provide them with short term stability and, the state Newcastle are in right now, they need to take that.

    Personally, I think the fans should get behind Ashley, who's got a sensible strategy to take the club forward - bar taking away transfer control from the manager.

    If the fans do, and I know it's probably too late now, but Ashley could then focus on getting a quality, long term manager in.

  • Comment number 92.


    Very good stuff. This actually sounds like a realistic conversation with that clown Wise, although to be fair, that would quite a long sentence for him to manage. I genuinely hope something rotten happens to Dennis Wise like an onion falls on his head.

    I was at Wimbledon a few years back (actually, about eleven, crikey) and Kinnear was livid with his players for about 98% of the match - and they played fairly well. Apart from 'Hands' Segers who let Brucey nutmeg him when it looked harder not to pick the ball up than to do so. Hmm.....

    Eric only knows what Kinnear will make of 'talent' such as Guthrie, Geremi, Ameobi (God, they have some dross there - they actually DESERVE to go down with that shower on the payroll)

    Who's got Santa Cruz in their FF teams tomorrow then? Fill ya boots, Roque!

  • Comment number 93.

    some of the comments about joe kinnear are unfair, and although this appointment has come WAY out of left field, I feel the quick-to-judge critics are what is really wrong with football. The media hype is insufferable - this is why rugby is a better sport!

    give him a chance!!

  • Comment number 94.

    Aslo, I don't think it matters whether Ashley made a popular choice on manager or not now because of the feelings of the fans towards him.

    They would want him out whether he brought in Wenger, Kinnear or Claude Anelka.

  • Comment number 95.

    The fans???? They sure as hell don't help.

    The players??? Big names get overpaid, thats why they go to Newcastle - why else did Owen go there. No one else (ie. United, Chelsea - real big clubs) wanted him!

    Who cares what Owen and co think of Kinnears methods???? Its about time these higher paid little girls were made to do as told by the manager/coach appointed by the owners of these clubs.

    I hope Kinnear takes no s^*t off these people and if they try i hope he puts them in their place. Might just be the best thing to happen to Newcastle right now. Kinnear has nothing to lose by this appointment so why not ruffle a few feathers.

  • Comment number 96.

    I found this on Mike Ashley's floor. Could it be true?

    My dears, I have carefully selected your beautiful club because I know I can trust you. I have a major dilemma. I know of a brilliant football manager who is prevented from rejoining the game due to the oppressive regime here in Sarf London. Therefore I need to use your club to help rehabilitate this man into football. I know you will do this out of love for your fellow human but I also want to help you share in the benefits. In return for your help in assuring the return of JK, me and my associates are willing to invest 300 million Zimbabwe dollars in your club. I know you will be interested so please get in touch with me… Of course you should not tell anyone of this…

  • Comment number 97.

    i like this appointment as im a forest and know what he could to clubs.. and with me disliking newcastle and their fans as they feel they are a 'big club' it will show them how crap there team really is and hopefully they will be down and out xmas

    he got forest relegated so he is not the man for newcastle .. and keegen was rubbish anyway so

    newcastle fans need to be realistic that there a midtable team at most

  • Comment number 98.

    Maybe Kinnear is the blessing in disguise Newcastle need. A man with no over inflated reputation as a coach (i.e. not Keedan), a man that will do a job. Newcastle fans need to accept that in order to progress they need a 'boring' team with a solid back four, not one who lose 5-4 and get nowhere near a trophy.

    Ashley needs to ignore the fans for the good of the club as they expect the side to play out and out attacking football and win the league at the same time, immediately a new manager takes over! - he needs toget a long term manager in who is given time (at least two or three season) to improve the side and get it playing in a certain style (like Arsene Wenger or Ferguson do). Its the only way the side are ever going to get into the top 5 or 6 teams in England.

  • Comment number 99.

    Hahahahaha best laugh i had for ages that bloke Ashley's got it in for you toon fans. LoL Off to read it again.

  • Comment number 100.

    Maybe the toon fans can take a note out of the biggest sports star in Newcastle - one Jonny Wilkinson. The man has taken up buddism and some bizaare astro-physics ideas - he has learnt to stop being so perfect and expecting so much from himself. In other words lower your expectations and stop expecting to be the best team in the world or ask Jonny to lecture your team on what it feels like to be successful.


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