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Significant statement

Nick Robinson | 16:59 UK time, Monday, 10 May 2010

Stand by for a very significant statement from Gordon Brown.

One of his allies told me that he does not wish to be an obstacle to the formation of a government that can deliver economic security and political reform. So, will he now offer to stand aside?

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  • Comment number 1.

    brown is gone on Tuesday then, but surely that means he should resign and let Cameron lead a minority governement.

  • Comment number 2.

    Or is it in the nation interest for GB to say in power therefore
    he is installing himself as dictator for a lieftime

  • Comment number 3.

    SO FUBAR_LIEBOUR are going to give us another unelected, ie did not stand as the leader at the election again.

    Somebody is not going to like this

  • Comment number 4.

    Who pulled his fingernails out?

  • Comment number 5.

    He didn't say when he would step down......

    Says it all........he has no intentions of keeping his word. He will stay in power

    "no desire to stay in my position longer than is needed to ensure that the path to economic growth is secured"

    That will take 5 years at least.......

  • Comment number 6.

    So, in a kind of kamikaze gesture, Gordon Brown falls on his own sword and hope to take the hated Tories with him.

  • Comment number 7.

    #344 labour still in play,

    Jenkins was in 1998 might well have been well though out, then why did
    SNAFU_LIEBOUR not do anything for 12 years, only when they look like losing power do they seem to want to address the issue ?

    A large part of the PLP are opposed to any change to PR, see Graham Spillers comments on R5L today

  • Comment number 8.

    This comment has been referred for further consideration. Explain.

  • Comment number 9.

    Oh dear, the markets won't like that. Strong and stable government? This is what you get when idealism overrides the needs of realistic policies. Clegg's activists might like this, but the country will crucify both them and Labour, no matter if Gordon Brown is in charge or not.

  • Comment number 10.

    The Parliament situation is shoddy and disgraceful. We are a Country looking chaotic to voters and the rest of the World. I am not a Conservative, but David Cameron won the election. The best option would have been for the Tories and Lib Dems to form an alliance but, if they are unable to do so, David Cameron should take control as a minority. To have two parties who came 2nd and 3rd in a democratic election take power would be a disgrace. I will play no part in that and NEVER vote labour or lib dem again, if I ever vote again at all! What a shame when this election envoked such interest and huge turnout, I am the mum of a first time voter who is now wondering why she bothered to take any interest - what a sham!

  • Comment number 11.

    One of his allies told me that he does not wish to be an obstacle to the formation of a government that can deliver economic security and political reform. So, will he now offer to stand aside?

    He should have thought about that 13 years ago.

    He sounds good now because he might as well go with some grace. He couldn't stand the thought that people felt his departure was laden with sour grapes.

    I fail to see it as some magnanimous gesture though. It was inevitable.

    But his idea of a rainbow coalition is seriously dodgy. Let's see what the LSE thinks about it in the morning.

  • Comment number 12.

    Is this the day democracy died? Is Gordon Brown turning into a dictator?

    The nation expects him to go now!

  • Comment number 13.

    This whole affair has become a farce and no one is taking into consideration the need for a decision to be made now. I thought Nick Clegg was fed up of the old politics yet he is doing exactly that, if he really cared about the country and its citizens, he would be doing a deal quickly and not holding out for his parties personal gains.

  • Comment number 14.

    It will be interesting to see how this pans out, as following the Geeneral Election, the vast majority of England is colour-coded blue but some clever political manoeuvring by the so-called 'progressive left' (one detects the hand of the political master - Mansdelson) may yet stymie the aspirations of those voters.

    The Tories are going to be very unhappy about this development.

    Many English people will wonder why the Celtic fringes are propping up the Westmonster Government and at the next General election I'd expect the English Democracts to start picking up seats.

  • Comment number 15.

    Nick, does standing down as Labour leader mean standing down as Prime Minister?

  • Comment number 16.

    CVopy letter I have just sent to my MP

    Dear Steve,

    I am appalled that you are now talking to Lab. They did not get anything like justification to rule. Such an agreement will not last. A majority of 2 is a joke

    I will not stomach an unelected PM

    You have a duty to work things out with the conservatives- This talk with Lab is damaging our party.

    I have supported Lib Dem all my life - I do not want PR ever, I want the ability to SACK any MP who get its wrong or behaves badly. with PR you can not do that.

    Its immoral for you to talk with Lab. I can never support that. 65% of the country supported you and the conservatives

    Please SORT this mess out NOW !!!

    Regards



  • Comment number 17.

    Having just heard Gordon Brown's announcement I am astounded that the Liberal Democrats are considering joining with the Labour Party to form the next government. This means that we will be replacing one unelected prime minister with another unelected one. Nick Clegg claims to be the leader of the only party with high morals and principles and is now attempting to foist another prime minister on this country who did not enter into the Leaders Debates. High principles, Nick? I really don't think so. An out and out travesty of justice.

  • Comment number 18.

    At last. It took him long enough.

    Sadly his legacy of debt will be with us for much much longer.

    Will the man show any humility and apologise for his economic blunders?

    Like repeating how he's "abolished Boom and Bust" before the biggest recession in 60 years.

    Good riddance.

  • Comment number 19.

    Spiffing, now we will have a stitch up between the Lib-Phlegms and Labour, so Brown will be unelected PM twice, followed by yet another unelected Labour PM. The gall is unbelievable. Actually, no, it's perfectly believable. Hope those of you lucky enough to vote held on to your pencils, you'll be needing them again shortly.

  • Comment number 20.

    What a farce! What an absolute joke! This is not democracy. If Cameron can't go forth with a minority government, then let the losers get on with it and wait for them to self-destruct.

    The prospect of an unelected PM, voted out at the first opportunity, still hanging around in No.10 - what a joke! And what are the odds he does a Sir Alex and changes his mind - then we're stuck with the fool for another four years or so.

    JOKE.

  • Comment number 21.

    What state are the markets going be in if this goes on more than another few days? This is beginning to look a little (to paraphrase Borges I think) like watching three bald men arguing over a comb.

  • Comment number 22.

    Labour and Liberals have shown their colours-they only care about the power.

    Clegg's credibility is shot to pieces. Labour are determined to keep the Conservatives out of power at any price.

    In this case, the country is done for.

    I hope David Cameron takes any deals off the table, tells Clegg to stuff it.

    The country will be begging for an election in quick time when the IMF visit soon.

    Sterling, stocks and bonds will tank.

    Unite on strike through bank holidays and weekends

    Mass demonstrations in the streets.

    Summer Of Discontent on its way.

    God help us all.

  • Comment number 23.

    Nothing that comes out of this will befor the good of the country. Nearly time to reach for the billhooks and scythes and reclaim our democracy!

  • Comment number 24.

    Here we go Brown announcing his future departure paving the way for just what I have feared since the results came through. A libdem/lab stitch up that will utterly dis-enfranchise english voters. It has been in my mind all along that the negotiations with the tories have not been carried out in good faith and have been going through the motions simply to be able to say they tried but had to go to labour in the interests of the country. It May be that I can be classed as cynical but i strongly suspect that it is the politicians who are displaying true cynycism toward the real will of the electorate in a blatant act of self interest. Frankly I despair and a plague on all thier houses.

  • Comment number 25.

    Good riddance to brown - he never did have a mandate.

    Unfortunately we will still be left with this remarkable bit of 'democracy' whereby ~ 30 million people vote but then who gets to be the next government is decided by one person - the leader of the party who got the least votes. What????

    If any of our masters start lecturing Iran, Zimabwe, Afghanistan etc about how to run an election, you will have to excuse me if I laugh.

  • Comment number 26.

    The BBC is a disgrace, Nick, you are sitting with the very worst of Labour, Alistair Campbell, Lord Steel, Lord Adonis and not a single Conservative voice. If the Lib Dems go into this unholy alliance with Labour and all the rag tag and bobtail of SNP etc. they will fall at the first hurdle. The minority parties have already set out their stall. If Scotland ,Northern Ireland and Wales are all protected from cuts as they have demanded England must bear the brunt. As for this Progressive Alliance, I don't recall them campaigning during the Election. Clegg is every bit as weak as we have discovered after his Parliaments Got Talent audition. What happened to putting the country first? Clegg is just horse trading, I hope with all my heart when this sorry bunch of losers implodes as they surely will, they will be sent into political oblivion for the next two generations.

  • Comment number 27.

    Is this the end of New Labour?!!

    To my mind Brown should have resigned immediately after he lost the Election last week. I know it's not normally in his make up but for the good of the country he really had no alternative.

    He may well be constitutionally correct but the public are not fools and for him to limp on as Prime Minister has done his already weakened image no good, it has not done politics any good and it has not done this nation any good.

    Finally, commonsense has prevailed, thank God!!

  • Comment number 28.

    SO this is a HUNG parliament as would be delivered by any form of PR

    YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.

    Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheep in the background where the voters have no idea as to what is going on , a loser in all sense of the word trying with his party to cling to power

  • Comment number 29.

    I am disgusted. How dare they say 10m voting for Conservatives is not enough? This country has lost it's way. 2 left wing sides ganging up against pro business. How many more public workers can we afford?
    Do any of our politicians have any nhonesty and respect for the general public?
    I can no longer face Labour. I am ashamed that people do not understand the implications of having a consistent left wing party. Forget about working hard, forget about trying to do your best and getting through Universities. Forget about growth. Now comes a time of getting as much money from the government as possible. Timne to get a job for the government or sign on and claim benefits.
    The end of democracy in this country.

  • Comment number 30.

    How embarrassing for you to have Alistair Campbell explain the parliamentary process to you. It's the not the first time I've heard you talk about the people electing a prime minister. Can't be done - as I hope you know now.
    We can only vote for our local MP.

  • Comment number 31.

    Brown puts Party before Country by trying to throw a deliberate anti-Tory spanner in the works, despite the fact that he demonstrably lost the election.

    Pound drops instantly on the foreign exchanges.

    Is there any limit to the damage Brown will do to this country in the name of his party clinging onto power by the most underhand of means?

  • Comment number 32.

    Blimey survivor calm down with your posts.

    Good news on all fronts this as far as I'm concerned.

  • Comment number 33.

    This makes it more messy than before, but also opens us up to, as has been said, the possibility of a "losers coalition" that would be so much less stable than the other option. I mean, can you really guarantee that the very minimum of Labour, LibDem, SDLP and DUP could work securely together?

    And then we have the fact that it would give us yet another PM that hasn't been voted for in that position! Democracy in action I don't think!

    People are saying that more people voted for a non-Tory government are kidding themselves as the only way we could see if this is true is if we had been running the AV system and see where people's second vote went. The other thing that has made things unclear is that because people voted tactically, a hypocrisy in my view, we have no idea who people really would rather were in power as a proportion.

    At the end I can see us basically getting a negative coalition, negative because they are an "anti-Tory" coalition, not a coalition standing for shared views.

  • Comment number 34.

    Bravo Gordon - thank you for working so hard for this country, and thank you for putting it first now. I look forward to a strong labour/lib dem government, and hopefully the chance to have a vote that actually counts (PR)

  • Comment number 35.

    The Conservatives won the election by getting the largest % of the vote and the most seats. No one questioned Blairs right to form a government in 2005 when labour polled a similar % of the vote, so because of the problems with the boundary commission the Lib Dems and Labour feel they can try and go against the wishes of the public who voted, by over 2,000,000 votes for a Conservative government. FPTP IS the best method but to allow this to be distorted by minority groups is a sure way to bring this country to its knees. I, for one, would just not accept a government led by yet another unelected PM. If Clegg now does a deal with Labour then I feel we have been cheated. The West Lothian question must be addressed and the country should prepare for demonstrations and civil unrest on a scale that has not been seen before in this country.

  • Comment number 36.

    Unreal - neither party has a mandate - and we get our 2nd PM on the trot without choosing them.

    National interest my backside - we need to have another election with 0% turnout - today is the day democracy gave it's last fit in the UK.

  • Comment number 37.

    Another stitch up from the devious party!

    Where do I sign up for English Independence? Time for devolution!

  • Comment number 38.

    This comment has been referred for further consideration. Explain.

  • Comment number 39.

    Nick, why would it have to be another unelected Prime Minister. How about Nick Clegg?

  • Comment number 40.

    He did say he would go before the conference - that's something I suppose

    I don't know if the coalition will work though, there's only just enough votes to defeat the Tories if they all pull together

    What's the chance of that !! they will fall apart quickly enough once the infighting starts over the leadership job

  • Comment number 41.

    What an absolute disgrace GB is! A party, third in the polls, desperately trying to retain "power" by any means possible. No wonder that people who are able to are emigrating and leaving behind a failed economy. How much worse can things become? I don't think we want an answer to that question. I am appalled by the way we are constantly lied to and deceived. IT IS SHAMEFUL.

  • Comment number 42.

    Does Brown's announcement strengthen the Tories' chances if a new election is called? Imagine we have an election in 2 months and Labour has a brand new leader and the party still bears the scars of the election. Or alternatively Gordon Brown fronts the election but we don't know who would be a Labour PM.

  • Comment number 43.

    An expected offer, and so clear it seems quite likely to me that Conservative/Liberal Democrats talks were no more than going through the motions because of the Tories receiving the most votes, as even before the formal talks begin a Lib Lab pact looks much more solid and open in offer than the frantic negotiating elsewhere.

    Personally I would have preferred a LD/Tory arrangement of some kind, but even though those talks are supposed to continue, I am doubtful the Brown move will signal little more than an attempt to get more from the Tories.

    For all the talk about how a lib-lab pact in a 'progressive alliance' of others could prove to be stable though, I do worry how long such an arrangement could last. As tricky as a Lib-Con arrangement might be, if it could be made it could last a year, two or whatever once the terms had been decided. I can't see all those who would be needed in an alternative arrangement in all those parties keeping their own internal factions together on enough issues simply to keep the Tories out for very long.

    In honesty though, I am not one of those who supports the idea that since 52% of people voted not to be Tory that a majority would definitely prefer an arrangement such as Gordon Brown has made great steps towards creating as if it was a natural law that one must prefer either of LD or Labour with no chance of having some connection with the Tories. I guess I am in a minority, not to mention rather internally conflicted, because I voted Lib Dem in a Tory seat, but would much rather a moderation between the two before a 'progressive alliance' with Labour. I begin to fret I am symptomatic of our deeply uncertain, even confused, electorate.

  • Comment number 44.

    Hi Nick,
    There is one possible outcome of the current party talks which I haven't heard ANY political commentator mention. And that is a 3-way coalition government. I believe that Nick Clegg is negotiating a 3-way deal between the major parties and one of the conditions for Labour's participation was that Gordon Brown does not remain leader of the party. I think David Cameron will be Prime Minister.
    Remembering Nick Clegg's comments during the TV debates about cross-party cooperation on major issues and the choices that the electorate have given to the leaders and the need for a strong and stable government I can't see why this has not already been discussed at least by the TV commentators as a possibility. It makes sense of the positive comments by Conservatives and LibDems regarding the talks and the news that formal talks will also now be held with Labour since informal talks have already taken place.

  • Comment number 45.

    I wonder what happened to Nick Robinsons 'impartiality' in the exchange I just witnessed in challenging Alistair Camplbell about how Nick Clegg will "eat his words" from the other day about legitimacy if he supoerts Labour - but Nick fails to ask how Clegg will eat his words from the debate where he accused Cameron of being aligned with 'nutters' and racist homophobes in the European parliament ? We know Nick was a tory at Oxford, and many of his predecessors have had Labour sympathies / copnnections so it is not incompatible with his position but he does need to temper his overt enthusiasm perhaps for a Lib Dem -Tory deal. I think he has been taken by complete surprise at this and it has perhaps disturbed his equilibrium. Have a cup of tea Nick, calm down and lets return to your usual objectivity in this.

  • Comment number 46.

    Democracy is dead, PR is a farce and the country will get what it deserves - there is no way that Nick Clegg can run in the face of this, his lefty condidates will insist on this deal, I only hope that he does the honourable thing and resigns as well.

    This is totally disgusting and it is time to stand up for our rights.

  • Comment number 47.

    As we say in Scotland, this man Brown would sell his granny. There appears to be nothing he would not stoop to to prevent a conservative lead government.
    Surely the decent majority of people in this country, whatever their political persuasion, will not stand for such dirty work at the crossroads. It would only take a few labour MP's to vote with their concience and not their party whips, to upset his apple cart and bring about another election, to prevent the UK drowning in even more debt.
    The problem is it might be too late!

  • Comment number 48.

    A Lib-Lab coalition that shuts out the conservatives ( who got more votes remember), would demonstrate why proportional representation is a bad idea. Yet another unelected prime minister - weeks after a general election would be a travesty of our democratic process.

  • Comment number 49.

    HOW TO WIN A RACE BY COMING LAST

    Nick Clegg, the only man to ever win a race by coming third. He is trying to make sure that he gets his way on every single policy by playing the Conservatives and Labour against each other. Both Conservatives and Labour want to be in power so they are both giving more and more concessions to try and win Nick Clegg. The only winner here is the third man in the race whilst the winner and runner up gets to concede all of their policies in favour of this loser, Clegg.

    Read more at: http://www.abrave.com/globalforum/index.php?topic=174.10

  • Comment number 50.

    Nick, I have just been watching you on BBC1 live. Please remember your job is to report not to influence. Your attempt at trying to spin against a labour / libdem alliance is obvious.

  • Comment number 51.

    Well done Gordon. A very principled man. I hope they sort it out with a Lib/Lab traffic light system. I think they know we want co-operation now not more school boy squabbling politics. And they are right most of the nation did not vote Conservative. Give us PR. And why does it matter whether the PM was the leader during the election that is a bogus argument, whoever it will be will be elected by their own party.

  • Comment number 52.

    I now live in a totally Tory controlled county how can the Libs and Labour do this and make me endure a government that stands for the opposite things that i and most if not all of the south-east opposes its disgusting i am fuming. Nick ask them how they think they can get away with this

  • Comment number 53.

    Will someone please let me know when a peaceful demonstration will take place on the streets of London! Are there any politicians out there who are capable of telling the truth and being honest with the electorate. Here we go again - a deficit increasing by the hour and more of the same.

  • Comment number 54.

    14. At 5:25pm on 10 May 2010, JohnConstable wrote:

    "Westmonster" Government - if that was typo, what a brilliant one! We should use that!

  • Comment number 55.

    This is a damned *coup*! All the TV studios stuffed with LibDem and labour stooges, all ready to go, all the propoaganda and excuses ready - SCOTSMEN crawling out of the woodwork all over to explain by English votes should be ignored! Let's get it striagh folks - england didnt' vote Labour, we didn't vote LibDem,a nd we sure as hell didn't vote SNP. The tories overwhelmingly won England - why then is this coalition of losers grabbing power? Why are we going to get ANOTHER unelected Labour PM, if these plotters get their way?

    C'mon Nick, you get out there and tell us how this is all perfectly reasonably, perfectly constitutional, and don't forget to ignore completeley the English question eh? Seems to me that worldwide, and right here, civil wars have been fought over less than this.

    Cameron's conservatives won this election - I have been wondering why no one one the BBC had yet managed to say this, and now we know - that silly old vote didnt' really matter did it? The "progressive coalition" won, in BBC eyes, and must never be out of power again...

  • Comment number 56.

    No way can we have a SECOND unelected PM in a row. If the LDs sign-up to a Lib-Lab Pact they have to hang their heads in shame. Odd, too, how they seem to be attracted by a PR referendum being dangled as a carrot after the Labour Party reneged on the deal last time (Jenkins commission)

  • Comment number 57.

    I guess what ever happens in british politics, will we have any more Jaw Dropping Moments ?(pun intended) :-)

  • Comment number 58.

    Brown is still desperate for a Lib-Lab pact. He thinks that by offering to stand down (soon) this will induce the LIb-Dems to reject an agreement with the biggest party (the Tories).

    But, if the Lib Dems now do a deal with Labour, it means we would have yet another Prime Minister who was not party leader at the time of the General Election.

    This would mean, yet again, the people have a new PM foisted upon them, with no opportunity to endorse that appointment.

    The rules must now be changed! If the ruling party changes its leader mid-term, thereby changing the Prime Minster, a General Election MUST be called.

    It is totally unacceptable in a modern democracy that the people have no say who takes over as Prime Minister.


  • Comment number 59.

    Here we go again. "Statesmanlike" Nick Clegg acts tha part of the tart at a wedding. First he snuggles up to the bridegroom in the vestry, then, after checking on the value of the presents, and the likelyhood of getting to keep them, he sneaks out to the graveyard for a quick schmooze with the best man.
    Meanwhile, the electorate of ENGLAND, where the majority voted for a TORY government, and where incidentally the cash to keep afloat the rag, tag and bobtail alliance of misfits required to join Nick 'n Gord to gain an overall majority seeth with incandescent anger at being held to ransome by such self seeking little people.
    The Liberal Democrats are showing in this current situation that, as ever, when it matters they show neither Liberal nor Dedemocratic principles.

  • Comment number 60.

    Notice he isn't going until the Labour Party Conference, is that not the Autumn? The odds on a Lib-Lab pact must be shortening,although will Clegg be under so much pressure that he accepts the Humiliation of a Coalition with Brown as PM! How Gordon would love that! Still, that might get rid of Cameron as well, and then we could also soon see Clegg on his way - ooh so cruel, Politics red in Tooth and Claw! Was it only a week ago that these Guys were hogging the Airwaves? Talk about being sick in a Transit on a Monday!

  • Comment number 61.

    The bottom's dropping out of the currency markets now... They really don't think much of any co-operation between Labour and the Lib Dems. All the markets ask for is stability and they don't see it under these two parties.

  • Comment number 62.

    Can someone please explain how it is in the 'national interest' to have the labour party fighting internally over who should be the new prime minister! This is an absolute farce!

  • Comment number 63.

    It’s about policy not personalities.
    It's a common understanding that Lib-Dems are much closer to the Labour Party's vision for our country than to the Conservatives' vision. Moreover, with 36% of the popular vote, many Tories envision that they have a clear mandate to implement their manifesto in full. And not any of some other party's priorities.
    Gordon Brown is wise to make his position clear. His policy-making talents will be in high demand in international development circles.

  • Comment number 64.

    Nick Robinson, you need to stop using words like 'unelected'. Every MP is elected by their constituency. It's entirely up to each party who THEY elect as their part leader. Don't pretend not to understand the parliamentary system and don't foment unnecessary uproar. Despite Thatcher and Blair, the PM isn't and shouldn't act like a President.

  • Comment number 65.

    During the election, I was thinking that PR would be a good idea for democracy. It is a lot clearer now, all I see is that PR would ensure that this country has a Lib/Lab dictatorship for evermore. I have now changed my mind and will vote against any electoral reform.

  • Comment number 66.

    And in sweeps the new era of clean and open politics.

    A disgrace, just seen Boulton and Campbell going at it on Sky News. Campbell already has his chest out and is already smelling the power.

    Desperate, to think I spent so long unsure of which way to vote.

    I went Lib Dem in the end, never again if a deal with 10 Labour is done.

    I am shaking with anger right now.

  • Comment number 67.

    Proportional Representation HUMBUG! All that means is that this horse trading will become the norm. Now where did I put my passport?

  • Comment number 68.

    Labour are now claiming a Lab Lib government would have legitimacy because more people voted for that than for a Conservative government if you cobble together both parties votes. This is not true. Nobody voted for Lab/Lib as this was not offered to the votors before the election.

  • Comment number 69.

    10. At 5:22pm on 10 May 2010, LouL
    Is it undemocratic that the parties in 2nd and 3rd, between them commanding 52% of the vote, should be allowed to take power over the party that came in first with only 36.1% of the vote? That sounds like majority rule to me.

  • Comment number 70.

    I also hope that the electoral reform they are all banging on about includes devolution for England. I am sick of all these Welsh, Scottish and Nortern Irish MPs who have their own devolved governments enacting laws that only affect England.

  • Comment number 71.

    You foresee 3 problems for the Liberal Democrats?

    I see only one.

    They now have no credibility for anything they or do.

    How dare they spout 'for the good of the country'? Total rubbish.

    Power hungry and thinking they have a stronger position than they have.

    Vain, naked politics.

    They've just rubbished their entire election campaign.

    My first time voting children voted Conservative and are as furious as my husband and I are.

    Good job, Labour and Liberals. You've just alienated a huge proportion of the country.

  • Comment number 72.

    Listening to Nick Robinson on television a few minutes ago re the possibility of Lib-Lab and how Nick Clegg could justify leaving the Tories ... remember that D Cameron said in his opening BIG offer that , Europe, Defence (read Trident) and Tax cuts of £6 billion were non-negotiable. The offer on electoral reform was derisory too. Nothing's changed on these fronts after 4 days of negotiations. So, ask yourself this, how could Nick Clegg justify supporting the Conservatives in goverment, by whatever arrangement?
    I am afraid Nick Robinson's arguments are somewhat squinted!
    Redrock8

  • Comment number 73.

    13. At 5:23pm on 10 May 2010, netpreference wrote:
    This whole affair has become a farce and no one is taking into consideration the need for a decision to be made now. I thought Nick Clegg was fed up of the old politics yet he is doing exactly that, if he really cared about the country and its citizens, he would be doing a deal quickly and not holding out for his parties personal gains.

    I agree. Nick Clegg has shown his colours all right, messed on his own doorstep. He's just as old as these old politics.

    If he were really acting in the country's interest he'd be there hammering out a solution to the economic issues and worrying about electoral reform (which I personally couldn't care less about right now) further down the line.

    He certainly wouldn't be talking with Labour who got us into this economic mess, making so many mistakes that have made most of us worse off.

  • Comment number 74.

    Why do the BBC insist on saying that if Gordon Brown leaves the next leader comes in the "that people did not vote for them" just as they did not vote for him.

    Guess what BBC!!! and Nick Robinson in particular. I did not vote for Gordon Brown nor Nick Clegg nor even David Cameron but I did vote for one on the parties they are the leader of. No one I reapaet no one in the UK votes for the Prime-minister they vote for a local candidate.

    For being the BBC's leading poltical correspondent your lack of understanding is astounding.

  • Comment number 75.

    What a complete sham.... where was this progressive left movement during the debate, the re-runs of the Leaders Debates will make wonderful comedic television as we see again Labour and Liberal point ut their differences and falabilities...

    Why can't we have a new general election where voters will know what they are voting for and who their voting for?

    The taxi that we all had booked for Brown, any chance it can drop 10,706,647 at the airport??

    oh... damn it... British Airways are being held to ransom by the Unite Union...

    Last one to leave, please turn out the lights and change the To Let sign to To-i-Let Britain...

  • Comment number 76.

    Firstly, I want to presage my comments by saying I am not an ardent supporter of any of the political parties. I have usually voted Labour in the past but due to dissatisfaction nationally and locally (High Peak), this time I voted Conservative.

    I am very concerned that party advantage is now taking priority over the need to give us, the people of the UK, a government that can lead us through dangerous times. One example is the profile of electoral change.

    Electoral change was not a lead issue in the General Election and the idea of the Labour Party offering "immediate legislation" on electoral change reeks of opportunism. The only plans that should be made for electoral change are (i) to educate us, the nation; and (ii) to allow us, the nation, to make the decision on whether we want a change of electoral system.

    If the make-up of a new government is to be founded on the Lib-Dems desire to push a policy that up until now played no significant part in the General Election (i.e. Proportional Representation), then I'd rather have some sort of holding coalition in advance of another General Election later in the year.

    Amidst all the media-centric excitement of party negotiations and leadership resignations, who is collecting and presenting the views of ordinary voters?

  • Comment number 77.

    We need a National Government to save the Nation's economy a coalition of Conservatives, Labour and Liberal Democrats.

  • Comment number 78.

    I hope those who voted for this LibDem lot are feeling proud of themselves.

    What is going on here is as near to dictatorship as I have ever seen.

    Zimbabwe here we come.

    The greatest democracy in the world reduced to what can only be described as a dictatorship aided and abetted by the liberals.

    What is happening is third world politics. If you don't win the election then make the rules up as you go along

    But this is the UK and there must be something in the archives somewhere that can prevent this from happening. They'd better start looking hard and fast.

    Or Nick Clegg's prediction of riots on the streets may not be so far from the truth.

    Forget PR for good . This is the death knell for the LibDems.

  • Comment number 79.

    How can Lord Adonis say that a Lib/Lab arrangement would have "absolute democratic legitimacy" as more than 50% of the public voted for both parties at the election. What is legitimate about two parties who came 2nd and 3rd and by the same means under the current voting system a distant 3rd have any legitimacy.

    And what kind of a shaky coalition would that be? even a Lib/Lab coalition would not have a majority, and the number of votes they garner by BUYING the Welsh, Irish and SNP support. Still leaves any votes they try to pass open to failure if only a few MP's vote against party lines.

    And the most important part that cannot easily be dismissed is the PC have stated the price for Welsh support is £300M the Irish want no cuts and possible budget increases in the same region as PC, so that leaves the SNP i can hardly see them wanting to forgo any additional concessions, so we are start too look at additional budget costs close to £1bn for this shaky coalition that will have a slim majority. All this in a bad economic climate, and it suddenly blows a HUGE gaping hole in Labour and Liberal rhetoric about putting deficit reduction and economic and political stability as a priority.

    Lastly the majority of this budget deficit was created by labours wanton spending without regard to how to pay it back. the £160bn deficit is the tip of the iceberg as no one is taking into account PFI obligations. So the liberals would be vilified for keeping the same administration in power that was incapable of sorting this mess or any fiscal policy common sense.

    Oh and then they jump into bed with a party who they do not know who the leader will be... With the HUGE union influence in the labour party we could well end up with a real left wing candidate that will force through blocking measures to prevent deficit reduction by safeguarding spending in the civil service and public sector and even put forward ideas to increase spending.

    Oh deep joy for this country, when does the next boat leave? I think I need to book a place to somewhere where my money will be safer.

  • Comment number 80.

    During the debates Cameron said "Vote Clegg, Get Brown". During the campaign he said "Vote Liberal Democrats, Get Labour". Now, it is starting to appear as if not one, but both of those statements are coming true.

    How can this country, supposedly the home of democracy, tolerate two Prime-Ministers in a row, neither of which were elected by the public?

    For as much as I dislike Gordon Brown, I despise both Milliband's and I don't like Alan Johnson much more either.

  • Comment number 81.

    Smiling, happy looking Labour Cabinet types walking into No. 10 right now - they cannot hide their glee.

    They look like, to paraphrase Churchill after Pearl Harbour, those who are going to sleep the sleep of the saved.

    The Liberal Party too might have just saved itself from electorial destruction at any future election.

    People who voted Liberal did not vote Liberal to put a Tory into No. 10.

  • Comment number 82.

    A Nuke wont shift Brown out of No.10.

    Not good, to say the least.

  • Comment number 83.

    16...17 and any others with the same idea.
    Why do you keep ranting on about unelected Priminister,s ...We do NOT elect a Primeminister, he get's the job as leader of the majority party. We do not have a party with an overall majority so stop ranting.
    Could Clegg be appointed to the post as leader of a formal coalition, why noy!!!!.

  • Comment number 84.

    Find the continual reference to Gordon Brown being an 'unelected' prime minister strange, as is Nick Robinson's recent remark that the public would be disillusioned if a Lib-Lab coalition was formed as we would again have an 'unelected' prime minister. Nick knows all too well that it is not the public who vote for the PM. You vote for representation by the party you have decided serves your interest and country best. The MPs decide who is PM and if the bulk of MPs (ie coalition of Liberals and Labour) decide to work together then it is them who decide who leads the country out of their number. Let's stop this 'unelected' nonsense.

  • Comment number 85.

    What was the point of a general election or leadership debates if Clegg keeps Brown in No 10 and ensures that the party with the largest number of votes and seats is deliberately kept out of power ?
    Ok, Brown goes by September but we then get another unelected PM !
    86% of the electorate are English and what ever squalid coalition Clegg puts together will be many seats sort of a majority in England.
    I am incensed that the votes of the English Nation can be dismissed so easily.
    And this is democracy ???????



  • Comment number 86.

    I find it incredible that whilst watching the bbc evening news the only thing that members of the Labour Party can say is how honourable and brave Gordon Brown is for stating that he will stand down to be replaced by a new leader, who I might add has had nothing to do with the election debates!!! What is the point in introducing this type of method if in six months a brand new figure was to take over at number 10. Gordon Brown is so arrogant that he cannot except that he has been fairly beaten in the election and is attempting a pathetic last gasp effort to prevent David Cameron from taking the position. Im not saying that David Cameron will be the best thing since sliced bread and I except that he has not won a majority, but watching the labour views has completely irritated me,as it is not in the interest of the general public and never has been. If labour and the Liberals create a coalition I will quite simply not vote again. This country continues to let its own people down.

  • Comment number 87.

    Despite never having voted Tory, I feel quite sorry for them right now - so isolated it seems. Large, but alone. So many parties seem eager to do whatever it takes to keep them out even in a minority form. Are there no people with views between the centre right and centre left closer to the Tories than the right wings of the other parties?

    I fear for the Liberals though. Nick is saying right now that emotionally many in the LD are already in this proposed Coalition, it's where their hearts are, but there could be a backlash from those who have now seen the mantra of 'Vote Clegg, get Brown' was right.

    On the other hand, we also heard 'Vote Clegg, Get Cameron', and if they did grit their teeth and work with Cameron in the interest of creating the most stable arrangement for a short period, they would be villified by much of their own support (I voted LD, but appear not to be in step with the autmoatic fear of the Tories like they are a communicable disease a lot of the UK seems to hold) as traitors and lose masses of votes to Labour at the next, fairly soon, election. From potentially gaining 30 seats to reduced to around 30 again would be my estimate.

    Far from heralding a new age of collaborative politics which I personally had hoped might lead to more chance of my rather mixed bag of liberal and conservative views depending on the issue, I think we might be seeing the return of a true 2 party system as opposed to our 2.5 system we have right now, as people try and prevent any possibility of inadvertendly aiding their hated political enemies into office through coaltion or partnership agreements, now they have seen it is a real possibility.

    Yes, I am a pessimist.

  • Comment number 88.

    This is absolutely superb!

    Certainly takes your mind of global warming doesn't it. It's freezing cold and we are expecting a barbecue summer- so this will be something to get us all hot and bothered about all year.

    With the likelihood of yet another 'unelected Leader' and when and if GB resigns, another unelected Prime Minister as well, (it's bound to be Mandy) we won't have time to worry about eating in the garden.

  • Comment number 89.

    So the principled Clegg is trying to do a deal with Brown in order to get P.R., the Liberals only consistent policy in all the elections in which I have voted since 1959. So much for all his cant about the National interest. Do I remember correctly Clegg saying in the 3 leaders debate that it would be obscene if Brown continued to squat in No. 10 yet he will be be there for some months? Let us hope for Clegg's sake that the combined Labour/Lib Dems can get PR on the statute book before the pact collapses because if not he might well find himself with quite a lot fewer Lib Dem MP's after the next election.

  • Comment number 90.

    #1 IR35_SURVIVOR

    "brown is gone on Tuesday then, but surely that means he should resign and let Cameron lead a minority governement."

    No... that's not what Brown is saying!

    If you listen to what he said, he is pleading with the Lib Dems to form a coalition with Labour - and as an inducement, he will stand down as Labour party leader. Meanwhile, he will hang on as long "as needed" until someone else is appointed.

    If Lib Dems take him up on this offer, the Labour party will still take some time to elect a new leader. Meanwhile, Labour are still in power, Brown still at the helm, then eventually (before the labour party conference) we get another 'new' Prime Minister without any endorsement from the electorate.

    Brown doesn't see anything wrong with this. Let's hope the Lib Dems can understand why that would be totally unacceptable.

  • Comment number 91.

    The whole point about the English Democrats is that there is no ambiguity about their position, in that, their interest is England only and the establishment of an English Parliament for the people living in England.

    The three mainstream parties know that the Union is dying but they are all Unionist Parties so dance on the head of the UK pin, and well, the current political situation simply reflects that position.

    Fortunately, there will be another election/chance for the English voters living in England be be a bit more considered as to where they cast their vote.

    NB. This blog entry is not a personal endorsement of the English Democrats.

  • Comment number 92.

    PR would be great , as a previous dutch resident, I was used to that and view it as normal practice, and the only way to stop ping pong politics between two big parties, but move forward gradually. Even though the Netherlands has it's own share of problems, they've gradually moved forward throughout the years, let's see if Britain can do the same. I hope so.

  • Comment number 93.

    Gordon Brown is staying on as prime minister till SEPTEMBER. This stinks to high heaven. Go on then, do your shoddy deals with the Libdems, Nationalists (how much more English taxpayers money do they get ?), Greens etc. That's right ignore the election result as you do in the EU. What's left of democracy is now dead.

  • Comment number 94.

    1. At 5:09pm on 10 May 2010, IR35_SURVIVOR wrote:
    brown is gone on Tuesday then, but surely that means he should resign and let Cameron lead a minority governement.

    **********************

    Yes, it does mean that, but the hand of Mandelson is all over this.

    If he resigns immediately, the Queen would be obliged to ask Cameron to form a Government - albeit a minority one.

    By playing it this way, we get the Lib/Lab Government nobody voted for.

    Salmond must be typing out the invoices already.
    Back to the ballot box by October methinks!!

  • Comment number 95.

    It appears that the Labour Party have been on the phone to Mugabe.
    As for a "Stable government", well as said previously that cannot happen with the Libdems getting into bed with the Labour Party.
    Try it Labour and get your Queen's Speech defeated.
    Let's have another election which will bankrupt both Labour and Libdems.

  • Comment number 96.

    Isn't it a joke that we have the gall to try and tell other countries (Iraq & Aphganistan) how to be democratic.

  • Comment number 97.

    What a stitch-up.

    'Get rid of old politics' yeah right. Just shows they are all in it for themselves.

  • Comment number 98.

    I am absolutely disgusted with the labour and lib dem parties who talk about "strong and stable" governement...thats rubbish. Its all about staying in power for power sake by the labour party and PR for the Lib Dems...it has nothing to do with sorting out the economy or producing a strong and stable government. If we get another unelected leader it will be a national disgrace and this should be banned in any reform of the House of Commons....this is a left wing stick up and smells to me of a certain Mr Mandleson....lets just get another election on...one where we can choose a new government and leader...not have one forced upon us again.

  • Comment number 99.

    The race is on!!

    Which implodes first? The UK economy or the Labour Party.

    The Lib/Dems get buried in the rubble either way.

  • Comment number 100.

    The announcement of Gordon Brown standing down, could help the negotiations between the lib dems and the tories in favour of the lib dems. it depends how badly the tories want to govern, and how much they'd like to compromise.
    Smart move on Cleg to announce formal discussions with Labour.

 

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