Idelogical chasm? Tough sell
This morning, Peter Mandelson claimed that there was an ideological "chasm" between Labour and the Tories.
It is all part of the strategy for this Labour conference to convince the electorate that it has a choice between parties - not just a choice of whether or not to kick out Gordon Brown.
It should have occurred to me when he said it, that this is the same Peter Mandelson who once declare himself to be "intensely relaxed about people getting filthy rich".
The party's pitch is that it - a party of the centre left - can be trusted to tackle bankers' bonuses and to cut spending in a way that a free-market Tory party simply cannot.
This may be a tougher sell, Labour strategists concede, than Peter Mandelson would wish it to be.