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Friday 6 January 2012

Verity Murphy | 14:02 UK time, Friday, 6 January 2012

Shadow defence secretary Jim Murphy has said that Labour must have "genuine credibility" on the economy and avoid routinely opposing government spending cuts.

In an interview with The Guardian newspaper he said that he would accept £5bn of defence cuts, including the scrapping of Nimrod spy planes, savings in the Trident programme and cuts to civilian allowances.

It is the second time this week that a senior Labour figure has cast doubt on the party's economic strategy. Tonight Paul Mason reports on what is happening and why.

Susan Watts is looking at the findings of a study published in the British Medical Journal which suggests that the brain's ability to function can start to deteriorate as early as 45.

And Kirsty Wark has an interview with JC Chandor, writer-director of the film Margin Call, a thriller set in an investment bank during a perilous 24-hour period in the early stages of the 2008 credit crunch.

Comments

  • Comment number 1.

    'Tonight Paul Mason reports on what is happening and why'

    Will he be adding 'value' in his analysis by slagging off those whose actions he does not like in the name of the country?

    In which case, his what and and why may be suspected of a degree of taint that cast a shadow over the relative objectivity of it all.

    'Susan Watts is looking at the findings of a study published in the British Medical Journal which suggests that the brain's ability to function can start to deteriorate as early as 45.'

    Meanwhile, at ten years over the new science story/scare du jour age limit, being 'looked at' by the ever youthful types we now have in government and the state media to tell us what we have long since been deemed unable to think... I still feel oddly at ease given performances lately.

    I could always be Ed Miliband's tweetwriter. Or a BBC sub. If they'll have me. 'isms permitting. But there will be ways out. There always are.

  • Comment number 2.

    "Shadow defence secretary Jim Murphy has said that Labour must have "genuine credibility" on the economy and avoid routinely opposing government spending cuts."

    Well, then it just goes to prove the Jim Murphy is just another libertarian (pro shrinking of the state) shill. No matter what colour, or combination thereof, of Govt that we get these days, their agenda is one of a pro-free market, anti-statist, anarchistic bent. Remember, the definition of anarchy is 'without rule', which is exactly what the shrinking of the state is all about.

    Socialism really really did die when old Labour was usurped by the New Labour libertarian entryists (i.e. the likes of R. Miliband, Mandelson etc and their useful idiots such as Blair, Brown etc. - mind you Blair did rather well out of becoming a useful idiot, didn't he)

    Re the Nimod spy plane cuts

    I know of someone who works for a manufacturer of one of the sensitive instruments used on that plane. Remember, the plane was in the final stages of productionisation. Many planes were completed or very near to completion status. The company that made the instruments, upon instruction that the treasury had ordered the defence cuts, were themselves ordered to destroy all of the remaining instruments in the production pipeflow and provide photographic evidence of destruction within 24hrs of the project scrap command from the Defence Ministry.

  • Comment number 3.

    "And Kirsty Wark has an interview with JC Chandor, writer-director of the film Margin Call, a thriller set in an investment bank during a perilous 24-hour period in the early stages of the 2008 credit crunch."

    A far better film to watch, to understand the root causes of the credit crunch, is INSIDE JOB.

    It can still be seen on BBC iPlayer. Why watch a thriller when you can get to understand the full nature of the fraud that became known as The Credit Crunch.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0183l0t

  • Comment number 4.

    "It is the second time this week that a senior Labour figure has cast doubt on the party's economic strategy. Tonight Paul Mason reports on what is happening and why."

    Miliband the younger may have actually been influenced by some posters on these very blogs when he talked of predatory capitalism during the last Labour Party conference. He came across as a bit anti-business. Maybe this was a tad naive from the perspective of the libertarian shills that now control New Labour.

    Maurice Glasman's veiled attack on the lack of leadership of Labour's economic startegy is true to his type's libertarian form. Blue Labour indeed. Murphy's criticisms of Ed's comments surely just follows in the footsteps of the Blair/Brown City charm offensives circa mid-1990's.

  • Comment number 5.

    BRAIN FUNCTION GOES AT 45 - THEN THEY JOIN THE IPCC, EH SUSAN?

    But soon there will be a pill to prevent loss of brain function. THINK HOW BLOODY STUPID MANKIND CAN THEN BE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    9/11 - impossible physics? CO2 - impossible physics? NewsyNighty . . .

    Call for Tin Tin Watts!

  • Comment number 6.

    'Susan Watts is looking at the findings of a study published in the British Medical Journal which suggests that the brain's ability to function can start to deteriorate as early as 45.@

    I'll excuse Susan Watts as I don't think she wrote that but
    BRAIN-GATE now - at last scientists will finally agree on why some are 'brain dead'?
    At least scientists should now find something they can agree on - some of us are 'over 45'

  • Comment number 7.

    Leave Ed Milliband alone please - IMHO, he's the best labour leader since - Michael Foot

  • Comment number 8.

    Ever get the feeling few take flagships seriously anymore?

    Usually happens when they spend more on the bunting and bands when in port, as opposed to stocking the magazine for when duty calls.

    I've found.

    Meanwhile the media twitterati seem to be making a concerted effort to tell those of us who use it as merely another starting point, that twitter is trivial and to be ignored.

    Anyone mentioned this to the BBC 'news' sourcing division?

    Or is it just a temporary thing until twitter again deals in topics those who know what is good for us deem 'suitable'.

  • Comment number 9.

    Moving... well, along the same lines, as policy by social set is in the frame today too:

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/brendanoneill2/100127879/if-we-go-by-the-daft-definition-of-racism-proffered-by-diane-abbotts-own-social-set-then-she-is-a-racist/

    Amazing what you can learn. Elsewhere.

  • Comment number 10.

    Twitter-Gate - Abbot Gate and Brain-Gate - the clot thickens!

  • Comment number 11.

    I FOUND MOST TEACHERS WERE PUPILIST (#9 link)

    It appears they still are! They treated me with contempt and brutality and made it clear that I was inferior. Oh yes - the homosexual one molested us, routinely. (By calling his actions 'molestation', am I being homophobic? Marks will be given for crassness, obfuscation and downright semantic perversity.)

    BRITISH CULTURE IS IN NEED OF ROOT-AND-BRANCH REFORMATION

  • Comment number 12.

    Equality in the UK has become & means 'white bashing' for some!

    The flagship of this nasty MP slow lane crawl to the Westminster gravy train - is to keep trawling out selective parts of the history of the British Empire.

    This has been the gravy train Westminster socialist pass card for both the self-deprecating, apologist 'white bashing' lowest political & other ability 'white MP's' - as it has for the remainder.

    Effects/evidence of this can be seen virtually every-day in certain media organisations (not to mention any names) where a journalist's very existence depends on generally being able to trundle out selected British Empire historical baggage (as carefully not analysed on any reasoned & contextualised scientific historical basis) & grovel & apologise for being white and preferably English - in the most deprecating manner imaginable.

    Self deprecation amongst e.g. politicians can hide all manner of ability failings & is difficult for those getting bashed, to counter the rhetoric, cliches and generalisations.

    Some have made successful political careers out of this behaviour - it really is quite bizarre.

    IMO, It is complex bigot behaviour and when practised by MP's it is very damaging to the UK as these are the same MP's who are really useless at anything that is useful in tackling the myriad major problems faced by UK.

    Can MP's be briefed & trained in contextual and historical relevance and accuracy - a Code of Practice to supplement the Ministerial Code?

  • Comment number 13.

    What is 'money'?

    It could be the 320 tonnes of gold reserves at the BoE.

    According to Wiki answers there are 32150 ounces in one troy tonne of gold.

    So, 320 x 32150 = 10,288,000 troy ounces of gold at the BoE.

    The current sterling price of gold is approx. £1000 per troy ounce.

    Therefore the BoE has £10,288,000,000 (£10.288Bn) in gold reserves at current market prices.

    Hmmm, how many pounds are floating around our country - the macro economic measure 'M4' for September 2011 was £2.416Tn.

    M4 divided by the number of troy gold ounces is £2.416Tn/10,288,000 = approx £235K per troy ounce of gold.

    So, assuming this blogger has not screwed up the numbers somewhere, the pound sterling is leveraged by a factor of 235 (which assumes that the non-gold paper currency assets held by the BoE are worthless, which they more-or-less would be if that magic component 'confidence' evaporated) over its gold equivalent.

    What is 'money', indeed.

  • Comment number 14.

  • Comment number 15.

    “Shadow defence secretary Jim Murphy has said that Labour must have "genuine credibility" on the economy and avoid routinely opposing government spending cuts”

    The problem is; ‘routinely opposing government spending cuts’ regardless of merit was a substitute for not having an alternative platform of their own. And, Miliband & Balls are now not only tainted by the by the perceived failures of Brown, but by their own implausible and simplistic opposition to UK fiscal consolidation against a backdrop of European insolvency.

    Ed was convinced (by others apparently) that he was the best man to lead, but he took the job on without having any real idea about what he wanted to resolve and how he wanted to do it. For Thatcher, the task was eliminating stagflation, and her method was monetarism and free markets etc. For Blair, it was improving public services by spending lots more money. For Ed, it should have been; how do we fix Brown’s structural deficit? But cutting deficits is inconsistent with creating more public sector jobs and it isn’t very popular either. As such, Ed has failed to generate any enthusiasm to tackle that question, and as a result he has ended up wandering around in no-man’s land, devoid of any real mission and appearing to electorate as being disconnected from reality and out of his depth.

    It is therefore difficult to see Labour regaining any ‘genuine credibility’ with Miliband at the helm. Sure Labour have held their own in the polls, but the electorate are not currently registering a vote, they’re registering their displeasure at becoming poorer. But when it ‘is’ time to register a vote (and that could be sooner than we think) those floating voters who will decide the outcome, will do so by asking the usual question; who is the more plausible leader?

    Labour leadership contest in 2012?

  • Comment number 16.

    http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmcode.htm

    The link above is to a feeble general Code of Conduct that applies to opposition MP's - not the full Ministerial Code

  • Comment number 17.

    "7.At 17:09 6th Jan 2012, nautonier wrote:
    Leave Ed Milliband alone please - IMHO, he's the best labour leader since - Michael Foot"

    Are you a complete political dumkopf?

    Michael Foot belonged to the Old Labour socialist party.

    Ed Miliband, by association of his father, as an entryist libertarian, to the labour party, is a libertarian!

    How can Ed be, in any way, be compared to the true socialist, Michael Foot.

    Just why do you think Michael Foot was character asissinated by the Murdoch (Jewish press) for simply wearing a donkey jacket on 11/11????

    Do you kow Ed's background.....probably not.

  • Comment number 18.

    I THINK WE WILL SEE DAVE ATTEMPT TO SCRAPE NICK OFF HIS SHOE (#15)

    before we see a Labour 'leadership' battle JB.

    In passing: I found Kirsty exceptionally indistinct tonight, and the inappropriate 'face working' when overdoing 'attentiveness' for camera purposes, was about the most gauche I have ever seen. How much - again?

  • Comment number 19.

    I THINK THIS IS THE CURRENT MINISTERIAL CODE (#16)

    http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/+/http://www.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/media/409215/ministerialcodemay2010.pdf

    It certainly has Dave's fatuous introduction: "We must remember that we are not masters but servants"! Well he can tell that to his close chum - Richard Benyon (my MP, Defra minister) - and then to all the other ministers who WILL NOT REPLY TO MY APPROACHES regarding 'Lies for Votes'.

    WE GOT OURSELVES ANOTHER ONE

  • Comment number 20.

    LOOK WHAT OBAMA'S GOT - WHAT DOES HE KNOW THAT ARROGANT DAVE DOESN'T 'GET'?

    "Buried in the annual defense appropriations bill is a provision that would give the President the power to use the military to intern anyone -- including American citizens -- indefinitely, and hold them without charges or trial, anywhere in the world, including on American soil. The provision essentially repeals the longstanding Posse Comitatus Act, which prevents the military from engaging in law enforcement on US territory -- the greatest fear of the Founders. Approved by a Senate subcommittee in secret hearings, the provisions open the road to a military dictatorship in this country -- and for that we can thank Senators Carl Levin and John McCain, who introduced the measure. Both the FBI and the Pentagon came out against the Levin-McCain monstrosity, and Senator Mark Udall (D-Colorado) introduced an amendment striking the provision: the amendment was defeated in the Senate, 37-61."

    Dated Nov 30th 2011 - I think it is now passed . . .

  • Comment number 21.

    17.
    At 22:37 6th Jan 2012, museV wrote:


    "7.At 17:09 6th Jan 2012, nautonier wrote:
    Leave Ed Milliband alone please - IMHO, he's the best labour leader since - Michael Foot"

    Are you a complete political dumkopf?
    ++

    Debateable - that one?

    From my point of view, EM is the 'best' labour leader since Michael Foot

  • Comment number 22.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16451311

    Lib Dums can give some of their donations back - now that the donor has been located?

  • Comment number 23.

    '17. At 22:37 6th Jan 2012, museV -
    Do you kow Ed's background.....probably not.'


    It is possible that some know more than they let on, for various reasons. Often subtle ones. This is can be appreciated.

  • Comment number 24.

    TRIDENT - AID - MILITARY - GDP - - AND NOW HS2

    All are 'kudos multipliers' at the Globopoly table. Dave is a Strut n Swagger merchant. HS2 is like a flashy expensive watch, to Flashman.

    Nuff sed

  • Comment number 25.

  • Comment number 26.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8990549/Stephen-Lawrence-a-death-that-changed-everything.html

    Fine & proper words here from Sir TP - Very well said indeed!

    However, IMHO, Phillips seems to be part of a problem that that developed as the EHRC does itself appear to be racially biased as failing to recognise the full spectrum of racial prejudice.

    'White bashing' with a torrent of absurdly offensive racial slurs harking back to days of British Empire is never, it seems, very rarely if indeed has ever been challenged by the gravy train agenda EHRC - an organisation which itself has spent 18 years attacking white police men & women the length & breadth of the UK. Some have made/based their political, media & public sector careers out of/on this.

    Question now for EHRC is can it cure it's own apparent 'institutional racism' and recognise that it is a human condition that afflicts more than just a segment of 'white mixed race Brits' - by its own statistical methods it would seem that 'non-white mixed raced Brits' are very rarely if ever subject to racial prejudice as requiring the remotest EHRC comment - never mind any kind of action. Certainly, most are careful what they say but there are still overtly racially prejudiced examples of e.g. jobs being advertised as requiring those from a certain ethnic community(ies)

    EHRC and its highly paid management need to step up to the plate and deal with 'white bashing' also - or face 'major reform' in the 'public interest'?

    EHRC is perverse with its hypocrisy & double standards and needs to stop attacking e.g. police officers for doing their difficult jobs, as it would appear to have done, over many years, by use of its own sweeping generalisations/rhetoric & 'white police bashing'.

    EHRC is itself 'colour-blind' in certain instances & is very visible by its absences on certain issues and incidents where it should be getting involved. there areinstances now where employers have mainly ethnic staff/overseas agency staff etc & which all need investigating as EHRC is not maintaining the balance. We have schools where white mixed race Brit children now a minority in their classroms and impact studies are urgently needed there. We also here immigrants & employers making sweeping generalised racist slurs about the fitness of white mixed race Brits for employment -
    THIS IS AGGRAVATED RACIAL ABUSE - but never a murmur from the EHRC

    EHRC needs to recognise that we all have a right not to be racially abused - even British white mixed race people belive it or not - EHRC should stop differentiating here, as that is 'racist' - what this week has also shown is that the EHRC still has a long way to go & that some of its senior personnel have already had plenty of time to get this right?

    Challenge for the EHRC is to get these things right or be seen as part of the problem, as itself, being 'Institutionally Racist'?

  • Comment number 27.

  • Comment number 28.

    I HATE THAT NATURAL SELECTION - IT JUST ISN'T FAIR ON THE OTHERS (#27)

    If philosophy were taught in place of Mammon Studies, my heading would amount to

    Nuff sed

  • Comment number 29.

  • Comment number 30.

    nautonier wrote:

    "From my point of view, EM is the 'best' labour leader since Michael Foot."


    But they are leaders of two completely different parties.

    Foot was leader of Old Labour which was a true statist/socialist party. The reason it was a true socialist party was because of Clause IV of the Old Labour party's constitution. Clause IV was all about, as Marx put it, ownership of the means of production.

    "The original version of Clause IV, drafted by Sidney Webb in November 1917 and adopted by the party in 1918, read, in part 4:

    'To secure for the workers by hand or by brain the full fruits of their industry and the most equitable distribution thereof that may be possible upon the basis of the common ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange, and the best obtainable system of popular administration and control of each industry or service.'

    In 1918, nationalisation was seen by many voters as akin to modernisation – the nationalisation of the railways was a widely supported policy, for instance, as it would reduce the plethora of uncoordinated and competing companies."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clause_4

    Blair changed Clause IV in 1995.

    "The changing of Clause IV has to be seen as the moment at which Old Labour became New Labour. Labour's "Clause Four Moment" has subsequently become a metaphor for any need or perceived need for a fundamental recasting of a political party's principles or attitudes."

    Miliband is currently party leader of New Labour. So your comment saying that "EM is the 'best' labour leader since Michael Foot" has no meaning. They are in fact two completely different parties, in that one was true socialist and the other, social democrat as Blair put it. Blair was a Trotskyite entryist (Trotskyites are essentially pro free-market libertarian) as were many others who were given power in New Labour. Look up entryism. Look up the likes of Alistair Darling who was a self proclaimed Trotskyist in his earlier life.

    Miliband's father, Ralph, was another Trotskyite shill in the old Labour Party (Trotsky was Jewish by the way).

    Ed Miliband is simply following in his father's footsteps and being faitful to his kind. He is pro-free market libertarian (think Neocons), because if he really was "Red Ed", he would surely re-instate Clause IV of it's original intention.

    Socialism is the enemy of the predatory Neocon libertarianism, hence the US's wars in the ME and it's unceasing rhetoric against the likes of NKorea, Iran and China. S

  • Comment number 31.

    The economic “recovery” that Washington and the financial press hype is all talk and no reality. The “recovery” is produced by understating the inflation rate, which overstates GDP growth, and by dropping the long-term unemployed out of the measurement of unemployment. An economy, the driving engine of which has been moved offshore, cannot recover unless the economy is brought back home, and that requires the repeal of Globalism.

    http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2012/01/06/the-dismal-economic-outlook-for-the-new-year/

  • Comment number 32.

  • Comment number 33.

    30. At 18:41 7th Jan 2012, museV wrote:

    nautonier wrote:
    >>From my point of view, EM is the 'best' labour leader since Michael Foot."

    “But they are leaders of two completely different parties.”

    -----
    Muse, perhaps nautonier is being sarcastic. In the sense that Ed is the best leader since Foot because he’s probably unelectable, like Foot.

  • Comment number 34.

    18. At 23:18 6th Jan 2012, barriesingleton wrote:

    “I THINK WE WILL SEE DAVE ATTEMPT TO SCRAPE NICK OFF HIS SHOE (#15)
    before we see a Labour 'leadership' battle JB.”


    Poor Nick!

    I suppose that events in the Eurozone may make that a possibility for 2012. And, labour leadership contests take so long they probably don’t have time to replace him.

    You’re probably right Barrie

  • Comment number 35.

    David Cameron - the 'best' Conservative leader since ... John Major?

  • Comment number 36.

    30. At 18:41 7th Jan 2012, museV wrote:

    Blair changed Clause IV in 1995.

    "The changing of Clause IV has to be seen as the moment at which Old Labour became New Labour. Labour's "Clause Four Moment" has subsequently become a metaphor for any need or perceived need for a fundamental recasting of a political party's principles or attitudes."

    ++

    I like that Muse - excellent stuff - but 'Clause IV' changed to what?
    Does anyone really know - I'm thinking Milliband doesn't have a clue on this?

  • Comment number 37.

    HOW TO GO FROM SMALL TIME CROOK, TO GOD, WITHOUT ANY GREATER ABILITY (#33)

    I am not inconsiderably concerned that, under the Westminster Ethos, a 'prize politician' who has risen to lead HIS PARTY, having no skills relevant outside political charades, becomes - should his party 'win' an election (i.e. the other lot mess up) - upon receiving a notional 'OK' from the powerless monarch, 'LEADER' of the UK.

    Then we all watch, as this totally unsuited individual pulls stunt after stunt, to appease inner demons and outer funders. Both Tony and Dave revealed themselves as juvenile, needy wannabes, elevated way beyond sweetshop access, instigating a range of feudal edicts, gamuting from wars to Big Society.

    This is CRASS! We are MOCKED! A bunch of D-unces, never asking Y?

    D MOCK CRASS Y

  • Comment number 38.

    WHY SHOULD MILIBAND HAVE A CLUE ON ANYTHING OF REAL SUBSTANCE? (#36)

    That is what I address in post 37. Our MPs are THE WORST OF THE WORST. They are Westminster Creatures. Remember the old saw: "Would you buy a used car from this man?" These are not people of proven merit, in terms of social wisdom and rational management. AND THEIR LEADERS ARE THE QUINTESSENTIAL ESSENCE OF THEIR ILK!!!! Thus Ed has no clue.

    DISMANTLE WESTMINSTER OR WE SHALL ALWAYS GET ANOTHER ONE.

  • Comment number 39.

    Where is Friday's programme? It is still unavailable on the iPlayer.

  • Comment number 40.

    '39. At 03:52 8th Jan 2012, mademoiselle_h wrote:
    Where is Friday's programme? It is still unavailable on the iPlayer.


    Maybe it's being 'fixed'? Having sent an iPlayer link to the BBC complaints about Paul Mason referring to the 'UK, of course, throwing its toys out the pram', I have had a 'you cannot reply' email back noting my comments, telling me they got it about right... but also advising it was Stephanie Flanders I was referring to, despite my including the clip. BBC attention to detail at its best?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b019ch5b/Newsnight_05_01_2012/?t=4m35

    Speaking of complaints, today's slow news 'Abbott's was 'different' faux outrage in some sanctimonious, hypocritical and/or ratings media is.... tourette's.

    Again, for what the UK actually public feel as opposed to what some pols and their media PR tell us we do, I tend to err more on the most rated comments:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/9000492/David-Cameron-apologises-for-Ed-Balls-Tourettes-syndrome-jibe.html

    The clips of Mr. Balls 'in action' during the sober conduct of Parliamentary exchange, on some media at least, do tell a story.... in context.

    Meanwhile, in other 'news'...

    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tobyyoung/100128060/bbc-news-online-publishes-grossly-misleading-anti-free-schools-article/

    But it is online, so Wild West, and hence doesn't count. Apparently.

    Unique.

  • Comment number 41.

    I would ask Mr. Mason for his thoughts, but sadly his latest blog is.. closed, at an appropriate point, all things considered.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16413230

  • Comment number 42.

    Barriesingleton @37/38

    “Both Tony and Dave revealed themselves as juvenile, needy wannabes, elevated way beyond sweetshop access ....Our MPs are THE WORST OF THE WORST. They are Westminster Creatures”


    Very true! – But are they the problem or a symptom of the problem?

    Blair adapted to the age of 24/7 news, and by trying to manage it, changed the way in which politics is perceived. Politics now appears to be just about sound bites, slogans and gimmicks, and politicians themselves appear shallow & cynical, and bereft of mission & belief. A problem made worse by the fact that so much of their ‘presentation’ is not derived from their own belief or wisdom but from that of ‘spads’ and spin doctors, who are similarly devoid of any real life experience themselves.

    But consequential of the media age, is the fact that they’re now all mired in the same centre ground, and anyone who dares to advocate any radical reform is subjected to sensationalism, and quickly marginalised. As such, the forum for ideological or just logical debate has diminished and the most successful politicians are not those of conviction but simply the most confident performers on TV.

    Politicians are thus more likely to be motivated to ‘serve’ by the imperative of wanting to ‘be’ something rather than to ‘do’ something?

    And, is Cameron a facsimile of Blair or are they both facsimiles of JFK?

  • Comment number 43.

  • Comment number 44.

    38.
    At 21:36 7th Jan 2012, barriesingleton wrote:


    WHY SHOULD MILIBAND HAVE A CLUE ON ANYTHING OF REAL SUBSTANCE? (#36)

    DISMANTLE WESTMINSTER OR WE SHALL ALWAYS GET ANOTHER ONE.

    ++
    again ... and replace Westminster with 'what' and what happens during the interim?

    perhaps 'Westminster' isn't just the problem - its the electoral & party leader selection systems also?

    We are/were close to having +++++ of +++++gate as our next PM!

  • Comment number 45.

    AFTER WE DISMANTLE WESTMINSTER (#42 and #44)

    I have suggested before that we put ourselves into 'Special Measures' under a small group of proven altruists, from one or more of the sane northern European countries. They could emulate the Founding Fathers in drawing up a code (such as the one Obama, and predecessors, have succeeded in dismantling) but with dire consequences, written in, for such perfidy.

    If it emerges that 'we the people' cannot achieve a shift to altruism and integrity, in governance, then Armageddon is truly upon us.

    I'm Jay Garrick - have a cookie.

  • Comment number 46.

    DAVE DAVE - FOOL NOT KNAVE

    Dave has opted for the "no intent" gambit (re gaffing over Tourettes).

    Interesting that part of his excuse was: "I was thinking on my feet" - I suppose his thinking is usually 'eponymous': from a sitting position. Or perhaps, simply, written down - by others?

    WE GOT OURSELVES ANOTHER ONE

  • Comment number 47.

    Is anyone on NewsNight aware of the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA), currently going through Congress in America ? The only reference I can find on the BBC is the technology page.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16320149

  • Comment number 48.

    David Cameron's spin doctors/Whitehall advisers informed us that his tourettes offence was an off the cuff remark with on offence intended.

    But isn't one worst forms of ignorance and prejudice revealed 'off the cuff' with no offence intended? The ignorance and prejudice gets even worse when when advisers use this as a defence. It would have been better to just come out and admit that what he did was just plain wrong instead of trying to justify his self image.

    It also shows the esteem (or lack of it) certain sections of society are held in by such 'off the cuff' remarks - (whatever the circumstances).

  • Comment number 49.

    NUB (#48)

    Indeed Joe. Cameron may be regarded as just as damaged as those he referenced in that remark; but PSYCHOLOGICAL DAMAGE can be MASKED, going unnoticed by the unaware ('US') and lending DEMON-POWER to the needy, immature MASKER (typical PM). Thus

    WE GET OURSELVES ANOTHER ONE

  • Comment number 50.

    # 47 microphage

    Job Creators, Internet Architects and Security Experts Hate SOPA

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/job-creators-internet-architects-and-security-experts-hate-sopa.html

  • Comment number 51.

    So, Dave has kicked the Scottish Independence nest and a ferocious buzzing noise can be heard already from north of the border.

    This Englishman views the prospect with unalloyed joy, as our own independence from the three mainstream Unionist parties at Westminster appears at last on the horizon.

    Salmond is the most competent politican in power just now in these isles and will run rings around Cameron, who, by the way, is exactly the sort of politician who is loathed in Scotland, which is why Tories are effectively extinct up there.

    Irrespective of Camerons tactics, I predict that Salmond will stick to the mandate voted for by the Scottish voters at their last election and hold the referendum as planned and not to any timetable dictated by Westminster.

    Furthermore, if the referendum result is for full independence, then Salmond can simply declare UDI and the 'Brits' at Westminster will just have to lump it.

    Maybe then we English can try to regain control of our own country, following the Scottish example.

  • Comment number 52.

    POOR DAVE - ARROGANCE WILL BRING HIM DOWN (#51)

    Dave is "ANOTHER ONE" par excellence; both fool and knave with a total lack of self awareness. The sort of Tory who says: "I don't want to have to step over vagrants on my way to the theatre", WITHOUT ANY IDEA of the significance of his words.

    Dave's list of fool/knave errors grows - a quintessential Westminster Creature.

    WE GOT OURSELVES ANOTHER ONE

  • Comment number 53.

    Remember 'Never Mind the Quality, Feel The Width'? I think it has had a hi-tech evolution.

    theJeremyVine Jeremy Vine
    Congrats to BBC graphics team who won gold at BDA World Awards for this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8667467.stm


    Bells! Whistles! Smoke! Mirrors! And, if you are lucky, twitter, too...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/journalism/blog/2012/01/twitter-in-the-live-reporting.shtml

  • Comment number 54.

    I wonder if any hereabouts are paid too much? It must be only a private sector thing.

    Blimmin' old boy network closed shops, setting inflated market rates because stakeholders can't get a say even if required to pay.

  • Comment number 55.

    #36 nautonier wrote:

    "I like that Muse - excellent stuff - but 'Clause IV' changed to what?
    Does anyone really know - I'm thinking Milliband doesn't have a clue on this"


    Trust me, Ed Miliband has a very good clue on this. It was originally his father's idea to change the meaning of Clause IV.

    "Because of the scale of state intervention and control typical of “neo-capitalism”, and because of the trend towards managerialism largely divorced from ownership, this system has often been declared, not least by social-democratic writers, to be fundamentally different from the bad old capitalist system which socialists were of course quite right to oppose – the obvious implication being that since that capitalism is dead and gone, the type of socialism which it bred, with its demands for wholesale public ownership and similar root-and-branch changes, is itself old-fashioned and irrelevant, and in need of replacement by a more modest commitment, more in tune with the requirements of a “post-capitalist” society."

    http://www.marxists.org/archive/miliband/1966/01/labgov.htm



    He (Ralph) also debated with the Socialist Workers Party (SWP) at our annual Marxism events at sessions attended by his young and enthusiastic son Ed.

    http://www.isj.org.uk/index.php4?id=700&issue=129#129blackledge_9

  • Comment number 56.

    55.
    At 14:44 9th Jan 2012, museV wrote:

    'the obvious implication being that since that capitalism is dead and gone'

    I don't suppose the BBC will ever ask EM about that one directly?

 

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