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Tuesday 11 October 2011

Verity Murphy | 15:02 UK time, Tuesday, 11 October 2011

David Cameron says he wants his to be "the greenest government ever", but last week Chancellor George Osborne sparked anger among environmentalists when he told the Conservative Party conference the UK would cut emissions no faster than others in Europe, and environmental measures would not be taken at the expense of British business.

And MPs on the Environmental Audit Committee have warned today that the government's "schizophrenic attitude" to climate change is undermining investor confidence in low-carbon industries.

Tonight Susan Watts examines whether the green agenda is being watered down and
we will debate the issues in the studio.

US "supercop" Bill Bratton, who has gained a reputation for introducing bold
measures to reduce crime in New York, Boston and Los Angeles, is in London to take part in a government conference on how to tackle riots and disorder and has given us an interview.

We report on the jailing of former Ukrainian Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko for seven years, whom a judge ruled had criminally exceeded her powers when she signed a gas deal with Russia in 2009.

Mrs Tymoshenko said the charges were politically motivated. And the EU said it was disappointed with the verdict, and that Kiev's handling of the case risked deep implications for its hopes of EU integration.

Plus, Stephen Smith has been to talk to former Oasis guitarist Noel Gallagher about the Manchester riots, the coalition and the passing of Cool Britannia.


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    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

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    Why would I want to listen to a pop-singer's view of politics?

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    Just like Mr. Eno for his decade(s), I am sure Mr. Gallagher, as an eminence gris for his moment in the music spotlight, may well be worth a sound byte or two on the state of modern music.

    However, what these coves have to do with what I though Newsnight was meant to be about, I have no idea.

    So the fireside groupie gathering of Mr. Smith and who one presumes is a teen idol for the production team may be awfully fun 'n all, but hardly relevant to a news and politics show.

    Further plots now need to be located, no doubt due to 'the cuts, the cuts!!!'.

    Speaking of Oases of green..

    'we will debate the issues in the studio'

    One is sure 'you' will. As already wondered, the composition of this debating team might be rather predictable given the venue.

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    The truth is not only OUT THERE, it is so clearly NOT what IPCC and camp followers have been claiming.

    WHY DOES SUSAN WATTS NOT REPORT REALITY? Unreal science is NOT science!

    Answer that one, and we might even find out WHO CONTROLS THE BBC!

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    BSc PHYSICS IN THE 1980s

    Did BSc courses, at that time, tend to turn out narrow conformists, or free-thinking polymaths?

    Nuff sed

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    The UK green agenda has been cancelled out by the latest planning proposal to allow every greedy nasty property spiv the carte blanche right to send JCB's into the countryside to rip up greenfields for rabbit hutches & massive plots for the wealthy - while collectively they hold onto 800,000 empty properties throughout the UK while they let them go into rack & ruin and neighbours complain as making it easier to get over-sized developments through planning based on the incompetence of numerous friendly planning committees.

    It seems that every time that a govt runs out of ideas for spurious growth - mother nature & in this case some of our best agricultural land & hedgerows & fields, take the brunt of the politicians' incompetence.

    Why doesn't the Coalition govt speak with & listen to someone like Caroline Lucas & get some real green ideas into govt.

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    Is far as I can see the eco-fascists primary objection to the new planning proposals is that the regulations will be shrunk from over a 1000 pages to just 52, and perhaps the main reason groups like CPRE are squealing so much is that it may give the average guy on the street half a chance of fighting applications without them. Only 52 pages has to be easier for the average guy or rural parish council to get their head around and give them a fair chance of making an viable objection which could actually stop unwanted new development of the countryside. Add to this the proposals for the new " Localism Bill " and the new system could probably be far better than what we have now, the only losers being NGO's and the corporate lawyers.

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    First Brian Eno and now Noel Gallagher. Newsnight journalists are obviously massively impressed by the unsophisticated opinions of celebs. I hope you're not expecting your audience to dumb down to your level.

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    And conferring with an American Supercop, is like tinkering with cigarette packets. The idea is to look busy, not to get to a better place. "Vote for us! We spent a lot of your taxes reducing the measure of crime. (Note the wording.)

    I have a deep suspicion that, overall a sick, dumb, nihilistic population 'costs out' in a Westminster Mind that measures success by GDP and tax-take. If we assume that the Westminster Ethos is psychopathic in nature, pain and misery of the general population is of no account. Indeed, the whole perverse pretence of party competition, to DO THE MOST for the People, should delight their warped souls.

    Dr Wollaston MP has (sort of) spoken out about alcohol in Westminster. She of all people must know the terrible damage done to families, lives and life. But on TV, she was 'measured' in her comments. She was even more 'measured' when I asked her to address the Conservative Liar Flyer WITH INTEGRITY.

    Nuff sed

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    They can now quote the budget for a foiled terrorist attack. (Perhaps they can measure it from space?)

    But if they can do that, why can't they find the billions 'lost' by the Pentagon, just before the 9/11 'plane' destroyed the relevant records?

    They wouldn't lie would they?

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    8.At 18:27 11th Oct 2011, brossen99 wrote:

    Is far as I can see the eco-fascists primary objection to the new planning proposals is that the regulations will be shrunk from over a 1000 pages to just 52

    I think its the 'presumption in favour of development' clause that is causing the concern for national Trust, FOtE etc

    Local residents will not be able to have a local say - its all a matter of 'primacy (ranking) of legislation' - the govt knows that local people will lose - the property spivs lobbying has worked.

    New housing should be directed to depopulating areas and used as regeneration with new local industry instead of creating massive urban sprawl - that is 'real planning'

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    KEISER REPORT 195 - EYE WATERING (It makes you weep.)

    Why don't the NewsyNighty gurus cover this stuff?

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    :o) Jeremy was on The One Show earlier today!

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    After 9/11, can anyone doubt that the 'Iranian Plot' is more likely to be an American Fiction?

    Perhaps the plans fell out of bin Laden's pyjama pocket, like those terrorist passports that had more wings than Red Bull?

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    Re Bill Bratton

    How did the legalisation of abortion affect the rate of violent crime in the US?

    Gang type crime rates in the US correlates heavily with unwanted births/children.

    This was observed in New York in the US in the mid 90's, when violent gang type crimes drastically dropped 18 to 20 years after legalised abortion was introduced to the state in 1973. In addition to this, severe benefit penalties were imposed on women who had babies and were in receipt of benefit payments at around the same time (i.e. the opposite to what has happened with benefit payments in the UK over the last decade or so - hat tip to Ms Harman)

    Beware of ex politicians and ex senior NYPD policemen boasting of successful policing policies that drastically reduced gang crimes (ala Giuliani/Bratton).

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    Bill Bratton

    This guy was just in the right job at the right time!

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    Good grief NewsyNighty! The high point of Susan's contribution was the art-shots in the Taxi. I spent all my time looking out the window, to find some interest.

    I think Brossen99 told you to get Piers Corbyn on - do it. Corbyn has an edginess that can't be bettered: he calls lies lies, he calls bloody fools bloody fools, AND HE'S GOT THAT HAIR!

    It's NOT the CO2 stupid.

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    Particularly liked Jeremy's debate with James Rubin et al tonight. As for the Lucas et al interview - 2 million green jobs waiting? To do what? Build more useless wind farms? Osbourne is right - we should not be in a race to go green at the expense of business.

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    The false promise of alleged " green jobs " is perhaps the most cruel aspect of the current Climate Scam, attempting to gain votes from some of the most vulnerable people in our society, namely the long term unemployed.

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    They were never intended to succeed as an energy source. Britain - more precisely Scotland - has marine technology and experience of a high order. As I have repeated so many times: had we prioritised TIDAL ENERGY (Moon Power) we would have been well forward by now, but it could not be RELIED ON TO FAIL - on the contrary. As government wanted a Machiavellian, constructive failure, they went for wind. Time will uncover the agenda.

    Wind can stall. Solar, in this latitude with our climate, struggles; the moon is constant.
    No wonder our government tries not to mention it, and Westminster's lackey, the BBC, likewise. "An island is an area of land completely surrounded by water". The British Isles are an area of land feudally dominated by charlatans.

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    Noel Gallaghers views may be unsophisticated, but to my mind he spoke an awful lot of sense and summarized the London riots in a clear, understandable way, which I personally have yet to hear from any politician or person with superior intellect.

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    MIGHT STING (message in a Bottle) TALK SENSE ON TIDAL POWER? (#24)

    Worth a try, no one else is.

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    Noel Gallagher spoke of education and work (the lack of both) and the fuelling of utterly unobtainable'celebrity' lifestyles fuelled through the media, as possible drivers for the riots.

    Very clear political language, but strangely, words never spoken by professional politicians, maybe because their policies down the decades could have been partly responsible for the mayhem.

    Furthermore, Gallagher clearly illuminated, by his views, the gulf, a yawning chasm, between the mainstream political parties in England and 'the people'.

    When are the disconnected English going to be able to say:

    "All my people right here, right now
    D'you know what I mean?"

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    With a named officer who GOES TO PRISON when they break the law.

    How many committee-years might it take to get THAT through honourable Westminster?

    In passing: how many people realise that an amending bill was tabled to strengthen the REPRESENTATION OF THE PEOPLE ACT, but that it died when Parliament was prorogued for the 2010 election? "Oh dear - what a pity - how sad". It extended section 115 (undue influence - CORRUPT PRACTICE) to "deliberately misleading the electorate as to the reasons for voting for that candidate". Remember the Liar Flyer? It said: "The Conservatives must win HERE (i.e. where my letter box is) to stop another 5 years of Gordon Brown." It was manifestly a lie, but the CONSERVATIVE PARTY is outside any law.


    Only in England . . .

  • Comment number 30.

    '4. At 17:30 11th Oct 2011 - the composition of this debating team might be rather predictable given the venue.'

    Mr. Monbiot was, one presumes, unavailable for 'balance'? This trio seemed hardly designed to look at the issues from all angles on the basis of enviROI and fact as opposed to ideological waffle between a bunch of folk mainly arguing as to extent of extremes more on political spin than science or engineering sense... in one direction. A bloke who makes money out of spinning things is also hardly an impartial representative of industry*.

    '5. At 17:43 11th Oct 2011, barriesingleton -

    And even what she does report, can be fixed in the edit suite...

    'When we contacted the BBC and presented these issues to them, they responded that they had done nothing wrong.'

    If making things easier for Chris Huhne is the mission, I'm not sure that is one many in the country will empathise with. Has the BBC forgotten this man's less than secure foundations ethically or in terms of competence?

    One is sure it's just the cuts.

    Mr. Paxman opened with reference to 'vested interests'. Pro or con green, where does the BBC stand, or sit with?

    *Saw the latest sales munchkin on the solar push 'in our area'. No clue on technology, but had a mass of charts that only added up based on government subsidised FIT tariffs to support a mass of 'green' jobs installing kit mainly to get an EU tick box & daft targets that the likes of Ms. Lucas (who seems to feel the 'green' economy is distinct form the rest of the money fairy variety many others like to dip into too. No wonder Mr. Paxman got bored and pulled the plug there) claims to be substance that one can somehow 'use' tangibly outside of media soundbites.

    Sounds like a shaky foundation for a stable business model to me. So, perfect complement for all else generated between our politico-media establishment.

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    '30. At 10:03 12th Oct 2011, You wrote:
    Your comment has been referred for further consideration.

    Referred by whom, as this was done within seconds of my posting?

    If it was the bit about Ms. Watts' reports getting enhanced in edit suites on matters climatic, that is public record. Pretending it didn't happen is silly. And it is relevant to any discussion.

    The BBC is now no more than a propaganda organisation complemented by blatant 'our ball, our rules' censorship.

    Not a good mix, historically.

  • Comment number 32.

    The emboldened Kleptocracy marches on.

    Hate to use the personal pronoun so much but you have to in this sphere.

    I note, as I previously predicted, more 'news' on Iran is coming to the fore.

    There have been fairly quiet background preparations on the nuclear weapons front,

    (there are others)

    Now this extraordinary 'unbelievable' plot to blow up the Saudi ambassador on US soil '' straight out of a novel' we are told....hmmm who wrote that novel I wonder.

    It could serve a purpose to propel this into mainstream consciousness in a sensational way to kick start the well practised process of manipulating public sentiment and dehumanising a potential opponent. The bricks are being put in place carefully and methodically it would seem.

    The Saudi aspect is new / terrifying, perhaps intervention at arms length, intervention by proxy is the new strategy, using their human rights abusing close allies in Saudi (8 Bangladeshi migrant workers were publicly beheaded recently I note in Saudi) . Using their 'outraged' allies as an umbrella under cover of which the US will intervene. They can not use the same tack as they did in Iraq this time, they have to come up with something new, Iran requires a very different approach.

    Meanwhile 1,000 Palestinian prisoners are going to be released in exchage for 1 Israeli prisoner.

    This is sold in the western media as an enormous unreasonable 'demand' by quasi terrorists so 1 good guy can go back to his family.

    There is another take on it, many thousands of Palestinians languish in Israeli jails compared to just a handful of Israelis in Palestine jails (if any). They languish in Israeli jails , at root cause, for the crime of demanding a homeland (sound familiar Israel?) . That angle is never discussed in western media, nor is angle that Israel clearly believes that one Israeli is worth a thousand Palestinians is the subliminal message here.

    I am sure a similar attitude prevailed somewhere in Europe in the 1930s and 40's ,, cant remember where.... turned out very badly in the end for the perpetrators i seem to remember.....

    Such a shame a great crime is in the process of being partially perpetuated by the victim, sadly, that is not uncommon in human affairs, the abused becomes the abuser, it is not too late to stop it if the new generation of Israelis wake up to that and start to engage with their neighbours in a different way. It can be done to the benefit of all.

    As usual I 100% hope and pray I am a totally wrong crank wrt the geo-political moves I see above., that would be a great relief to me to be diagnosed as such as the human world is just far too terrible a place to be bothered living in if the way I see things turns out to be the correct view.

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    Agree with your comments Disappeared (I see you're back!).... but how about this for finishing us off completely

    "Where else could the "Little England" idea get such free rein to mock the indigenous people on "their" national public broadcaster ?"

    The latest propaganda from the beeb mixed races series?

  • Comment number 34.

    Good news that the government is starting to take seriously the threat of CO2 targets to our economy compared to our competitors.

    Seems the BBC does not see it that way. I suppose we are all entitled to our opinion. I just wish it was me who had the microphones and transmitters.

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    34. At 10:52 12th Oct 2011, KennethM
    Good news that the government is starting to take seriously the threat of CO2 targets to our economy compared to our competitors.

    Seems the BBC does not see it that way. I suppose we are all entitled to our opinion. I just wish it was me who had the microphones and transmitters.

    And the edit suite, too.

    Here's a twitter thread worth checking.

    Let's see 'em can a twitter URL to a BBC employee.

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    It was only, ever, a matter of time Lizzy. I think I heard a weasel politician say the jobs news was 'not positive'. Is there a Nobel Prize for Weaselry?

    We have 650 weasels in Parliament, all possessed of the same ghastly characteristics. AND! THEY ARE DIVIDED INTO TWO FACTIONS, SWORN TO DISAGREE!!!!! This is no way to tackle the "Worst Mess Ever!" (Comic Book Man)


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    There is no GOOD SCIENCE to show that our CO2 output - targets or no targets - is driving climate, in any measurable degree. What government chooses to (appear to) take seriously is only, ever, what government thinks is advantageous to the PARTY OF POWER, in some Machiavellian way.

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    Is Newsnight pulling viewers legs? Having a laugh? being ironic? I hope so as if it isn't one has to ask why Mr Bratton is being credited with "Broken Windows" when it was Wilson and Kelling in 1982 and then Wilson and Herrnstein in 1985 with their "Crime and Human Nature", something which, you may note, made so much of rising levels of "in the genes" impulsivity or lack of self control which was swamping America, but especially NYC in the 80s.,9171,960148,00.html

    To bring the magnitude of the chutzpah via a vis "riot" control and "zero tolerance" out more clearly I remind attentive viewers who still have any brain cells left that New York City is the kingdom of "The Masters of The Universe" as MuseV reminded us:

    NYC is a Special Economic Zone of almost absolute tolerance. After all, it is the epicentre of "weapons of mass financial destruction", deregulation and predatory lending which has all but destroyed liberal government managed state sectors or economies.

    Zero tolerance indeed. There appears to be zero tolerance of any objection to chutzpah in financial Services where "anything goes" that's all. Our "riots" were non riots, and the looting trivial compared to what has been done by these people.

    Unbelievable chutzpah and so seriously interviewed too.

    The BBC needs some decent investigative reporters." The odd goings on in Washington were telling as to just how bad it is getting over there.

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    Don't be so paranoid about 'Little Britain'! Most people I know think it's very funny - and it's very difficult to understand if you aren't British.

    Now to the serious news. I strongly share Jericoa's concerns about the alleged Iranian plot. Also, let us remember that the Iraq-Iran war was initiated by Iraq, and that Saddam was encouraged and financially supported by the Saudis, the Gulf States, and "billions of dollars in loan guarantees and other credits to Iraq" from the US.

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    No hope for us brits..... massive unemployment, the economy collapsing.... and this is the most viewed on the front page of the Telegraph....

    1. Apple iOS 5 review

    2. District nurse 'had sex on the beach with schoolboy'

    3. Second outage deepens BlackBerry crisis

    4. Japan 'offers 10,000 free trips to foreigners'

    5. Yetis 'do exist'

    Bury your head in the sand anyone?!

  • Comment number 43.

    #41 Ah Sasha it's not Little Britain, that's a supposed comedy show. It's the term Little Englander that's thrown around in glee by anyone who hates England. You know those xenophobic, small minded English people.

    Now I don't hear anyone say Little China, Little Nigeria, Little Poland, now do I. It's ok to take the carp out of us.

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    @ Ecolizzy#42 - We all need something to cheer us up.......we're all doomed anyway :o(

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    so funny to see green hysterics over an entirely bogus belief that carbon drives climate.

    everyone go to the climate fools day this month in westminster

    do you think the greens want the uk back under a mile of ice like the 'good ole days'?

  • Comment number 48.

    @38 Barrie "There is no GOOD SCIENCE to show that our CO2 output - targets or no targets - is driving climate, in any measurable degree."

    I tend to keep quiet on this as, despite a very good general scientific knowledge, I do not believe I am competent to make definitive statements about the conclusions of those who have done serious work in the field.

    Are you competent in this field Barrie, or are you trying to coerce people into shutting up?

    I have no doubt that the greenhouse effect exists. I believe that without it much of the planet would be less friendly to human habitation than it is now. (I do not KNOW that.)

    It seems that there is no doubt that things are changing drastically in the polar regions. That's as far as I am prepared to go. Climate, globally and locally is a complex system. I would imagine that, globally, it is best modelled by a series of partial differential equations. If [G] is the concentration of a particular greenhouse gas, and T is the mean global temperature, it would not be [G] which is important, but the magnitude and sign of ∂T/∂[G], summed with the other {∂T/∂Fi}, where {Fi} is the set of other relevant factors. (I hope the partial differential operator is visible - it is on my computer.)

    You cannot assume, a priori, that human activities have no effect. Various civilisations in the past, from the Sumerians to Easter Island, have been destroyed by self-inflicted environmental degradation.

    Our "civilisation" is now global - perhaps we should be worried about our collective hubris?

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    @44 "I will decide what I think is serious Sasha and need no apparatchik party tricks of yours to redefine my comments in that insulting way. "

    Lighten up!! why do you, in your various incarnations, think that everything is about you? I certainly wasn't insinuating that you weren't British (I don't actually in the slightest actually what you are) - I was suggesting that foreigners don't understand the magnificent monsters like Vicky Pollard, Dafydd etc.

    Are the Scots insulted by Rab C Nesbitt - or do they hold him in a certain, horrified, affection?

    As for being a "party apparatchik" - I'm not a member of anything, and even when I was, I didn't believe in party loyalty.

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    In my first job (gravimetric analysis) TWO 'blanks' were always run to validate the results. The two had to agree well, then be averaged to subtract from the main analyses (also in duplicate).

    In my mind 'blanks' in chemistry are not unlike 'controls' in physics. Not only is there only one Earth; not only are we INSIDE any changes; not only do we have to rely on indirect evidence for past data, but we simply do not know what all the variable are, let alone their degree of influence. (Notice I am not mentioning the 'Electric Universe'.)

    In light of the above, I hold the view that no good science CAN HAVE been done, even by Martians.

    Another test of good science, as you know, is prediction. Where climate is concerned, only Piers Corbyn seems to be doing well enough to upset Ladbrokes. Money talks.

    With respect Sasha: re-read your post. I think you have made some wild assumptions in the paragraph that confronts 'mine'!

    As for COLLECTIVE hubris, I am far more concerned by INDIVIDUAL DELUSIONAL MEGALOMANIA. I pointed out that history is burdened with such MEN. A couple now have in excess of one billion collective, blind followers. I reckon that at least one MAN has already been born who INTENDS TO RULE THE WORLD BY FORCE. His success might well cure collective hubris, but the replacement state is my concern (though I'll be dead).

    PS I am no good at maths, but I don't find it inhibits rational thought. (:o)

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    Sasha Clarkson wrote: "Don't be so paranoid about 'Little Britain'! Most people I know think it's very funny - and it's very difficult to understand if you aren't British."

    Paranoia? Such programmes are instantiations a subversive trend which has, for a very long time, openly parodied British people and their values. If you can get a culture to ridicule its own standards and values you can hasten its disintegration. Another example are the works of Sasha Baron-Cohen. Monty Python seemed funny at the time, but only because it was anti-establishment, i.e subversive. Look at the characters now. How many look back in shame given all that's been eroded?

    If one does not see how this "humour" has contributed to the demise of Britain over the years, and how such writing is, in reality, the work of disordered personalities (look into the writers and their histories), you probably will not appreciate the serious point which is being made here.

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    Blimey, if I find my two were sent to Purgatory for the 'likely to upset the karmic chill of the thread mood' all-purpose rule, simply for mentioning some on-topic facts pertinent to the story and the coverage of it, some sailing through recently will help my Capita court case with 'odd mod preferences' in comparison.

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    @50 Barrie "I hold the view that no good science CAN HAVE been done."

    I do think in mathematical terms, both in climate an economics. I'm sure it's possible to create reasonable models, but I'm not qualified to judge the current ones. From what I can see, the global climate isn't in equilibrium, but jumps meta-stably between similar states. I would have thought that the effect of individual factors in isolation wouldn't be too difficult to estimate, it the interraction between the different factors and the number of factors which would be more problematical.

    Short term local climate is much more like a chaotic system, in which tiny variations in the initial conditions lead to wildly different outcomes. Remember that great storm which the met office failed to predict a few years ago. Some idea of that kind of chaos, can be gained by playing with a mandelbrot set explorer:

    I have serious problems with anyone who speaks with too much certainty on this issue, but I think ir reasonable to pursue the precautionary principle, both in term of climate change and conserving fossil fuels.

    What IS clear to me, is that current policies will not achieve their objectives. For example, there is no point in curbing emissions in Britain, but transporting consumer goods from China instead.

    Also, whilst I am not against wind farms, I do not see why there seem to be no concrete plans to harness the vast tidal energy available from the Severn and other estuaries. On that we are certainly in agreement. Also, energy storage technology is improving, but undoubtedly requires much more investment.

    Must rush, TTFN! :-)

  • Comment number 57.

    55. At 15:49 12th Oct 2011, Disappeared wrote:
    Perhaps it will help your case if the man on the Capita Clapham omnibus can understand what you are saying Mr Male?Or not?

    Well, one does have to navigate tricky waters to sneak one through.

    However, if the man on the Capita Clapham Omnibus doesn't know, but decides that, just in case, it gets the boot, then he may also have a problem explaining his reasoning.

    Which may in turn explain why, when one does get told, the reason can be anything he so desires.

    Which seems... retrograde, free speech and democracy wise.

  • Comment number 58.

    Were that I had offered the direct clarity of: 'Didn`t you know that the BBC are about to make a couple of balancing series called Little Likudniks and Little Islamists Brown-Dog?'

    But to my shame I called a trowel a trowel, and added relevant links. That'll larn me.

  • Comment number 59.

    ITMA! (#56)

    "All is flux." (As the Ancient Greek radio ham, said when he found another dry joint.)

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    We cannot afford to fork out for every rake who comes to this patch of earth, dibber in hand, seeking to plough his furrow and enjoy a bit of fertility - on the side.

    It fair makes my blood (fish and bone) boil.

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    I suppose it was bound to come. "MASSACRE" has long been used for when 'two or thee are murdered together'.


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    One who smoked cigars, one madman, one who wore a disabling amount of gold jewellery, and a smiley one.

    I love it when a panucho comes together.

  • Comment number 64.


    can you put a title to the links so one can decide if one wants to click them thanks

  • Comment number 65.

    At 10:03 12th Oct 2011, JunkkMale wrote:

    This comment has been referred for further consideration. Explain.

    Complain about this comment (Comment number 30)
    Comment number 31.
    At 10:16 12th Oct 2011, JunkkMale wrote:

    This comment has been referred for further consideration. Explain.

    Complain about this comment"


    What can Mr Male have written that takes two days to consider? Must be a corker!

  • Comment number 66.

    A little gripe. It's really irritating when italics show up on the preview but mysteriously vanish when published.

  • Comment number 67.

    '65. At 09:01 13th Oct 2011, Roland D wrote:
    What can Mr Male have written that takes two days to consider? Must be a corker!

    I'd tell you, but then they'd have to shoot me. Or something.

    But whatever it was/is, the news system is quicker and better. They told me that over on The Editors. A lot.

    Currently dueling with the complaints system, having fried its brain on the referral by complaining about it before they (didn't) tell me.

    Now in a Douglas Adamsian loop whereby they refuse to explain without a reference number whilst I explain (with URL to the spot) they have not (yet) provided one.

    Even had a 10+ tweet exchange on my twitter page with a BBC employee who was very excited that I was not impressed by all this, but in the end kept asking me questions and answering no more than his broadcast-only colleagues at home base, plus the subcontracted bods over whom they have no control. Apparently. Sound familiar?

    Our licence fees at 'work'.


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