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Thursday 20 October 2011

Verity Murphy | 16:28 UK time, Thursday, 20 October 2011

Tonight's programme will focus entirely on the death of former Libyan leader Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, who has been killed after an assault on his home town of Sirte.

We will be looking back at his life and 42 years in power, the manner of his toppling and of his death. We will be assessing his legacy and the likely impact his death will have in the country and wider region.

We will gauge international reaction to his death and throwing a spotlight on Britain's relationship with Libya during his rule.

Join Gavin Esler for all that at 10.30pm on BBC Two.

Comments

  • Comment number 1.

    I'm just wondering what important developments in home / EU politics / finance news this is being used to bury ?

  • Comment number 2.

    God is great!

  • Comment number 3.

    blair must be happy no retelling by gaddafi of the uk libya relationship will come out now?

  • Comment number 4.

    LIBYA

    I hope the men of Libya have the sense to demand the right to a womb and pregnancy, BEFORE the pendulum swings too far to the WoeMen agenda. They are going to need a bargaining chip, if not to end up house-husbanding by law.

    One thing is sure: they are on route to D MOCK CRASS - Y?

    Megrahi said his info is lodged with others. That will explain his 'longevity'.

  • Comment number 5.

    The key bits are at 33 and after 42, it would appear that quite a significant amount of our key industry is under threat of closure from current energy policy.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/hi/house_of_commons/newsid_9618000/9618431.stm

  • Comment number 6.

  • Comment number 7.

  • Comment number 8.

    More attempted warmist propaganda from an eco-fascist leaning BBC.

    Look at the graph, 0.5 degree centigrade increase since 1800!!!! Wow such a cause for concern that is!!! And the hockey stick is is present in that graph exactly because of the scale used. It only moves 2.5 degrees from top to bottom !

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15373071

  • Comment number 9.

    Sorry, that's more like a 1 degree increase.

  • Comment number 10.

    Mixed Britannia

    As a white english woman why do I get the feeling that I'm not supposed to live in Britain anymore when I watch this series of programmes.

  • Comment number 11.

    THAT GADDAFI EH?

    Contempt for his own people. Promotes violence abroad. Delusional. Self aggrandising.
    Remind you of anyone?

    Now Libya is headed for D MOCK CRASS Y what will be their future?

    THEY WILL GET THEMSELVES ANOTHER ONE!

  • Comment number 12.

    #11 "Now Libya is headed for D MOCK CRASS Y what will be their future?"

    Hhhhmm not sure they are Barrie, I'll bet ya an Islamic state!

  • Comment number 13.

    #3 and 6 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8839848/Col-Gaddafi-killed-Lost-secrets-of-Tony-Blairs-links.html

    Oh how I'd like to know how Tones jumping up and down with glee, all those secrets gone to the grave. We'll never know the truth now.

  • Comment number 14.

    BBC1 10 O-CLOCK DRAMA-NEWS.

    Within the first few minutes we find Gadaffi "COWERING" in a STORM DRAIN. (Not like the Best of the Best of British mercenaries, who never cower, only ever TAKING COVER.
    Moments later, Gadaffi has moved to a SEWAGE PIPE (where such despicable people belong) and all the dullards watching are elated.

    The BBC has lost ALL SENSE OF DECORUM .

    Weep England

  • Comment number 15.

    I noticed a lot of the hard core anti-death penalty mob (MPs) feasting at the corpse of Gadaffi today.

  • Comment number 16.

    This blogger has always considered himself to have won life's lottery from the start simply by being born in England.

    However, there was just one single occasion in my life when I felt ashamed of being English and that was when the killer of WPC Fletcher was allowed to walk out of that embassy and fly back to Libya.

    So, today some sort of belated justice has occured with the demise of Gadaffi and hopefully the long arm of the law will reach the actual killer, assuming he is still alive.

    John McCain's performance on the programme clearly illustrated why the Americans made the correct choice with Obama.

    Parts of the world has had enough of witnessing the USA fully unleashing its awesome military capability and Obama's nuanced response to Libya was, imho, pitched perfectly.

    Success in Libya for Cameron is not likely to lead to further adventures of this nature ala Blair for a number of reasons, not the least being a denuded military capability for the time being. The logical approach is to combine with other willing partners, as happened with the French, if a situation such as Libya occurs again.

    Which is highly unlikely as one of the guests pointed out.

    For example, Syria will require a different approach, such as covert arming of Free Syrian Army, probably via the Turks, and various other black arts to counter the black hearts of that country. Then Syria may indeed tip quickly.

    I've been busy today, well yesterday now, and got all the Gaddafi info via NewsNight - well done, good coverage of many angles.

  • Comment number 17.

    It is good he is gone and the Libyans can move on, that should be celebrated.

    Yet the impression I had today was of western politicians and media drooling over the footage of and scrambling for credit for a brutal and very public death of someone who was seriously mentaly ill. Job done, but there should be no pleasure in it.


    The Colloceum is still going strong and is more popular than ever it would seem in the living room of every household, the emperors of the day still know how to keep the massess both entertained and frightened.

    None of this is new.

  • Comment number 18.

    '
    ...the manner of his toppling and of his death.

    We will gauge international reaction to his death and throwing a spotlight on Britain's relationship ..


    Luvly. Loads of focussing, looking back, assessing and guaging.

    I notice MG was 'killed'. Better than the usual 'has died' when Aunty's sensibilities are flustered and the appropriate line has yet to be established - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-15365469 Can you die of being taken hostage?. 'Caught in crossfire' is gaining traction this AM, but from what I saw some tongues may need to stay in cheeks with that.

    Here's hoping the spotlight shines equally where needed. It would be a pity if some things were played up and others left in the shade. Interesting the number of less favoured 'leaders' who haven't made it to trial (albeit the version in some places does still appear to lack a few of the niceties in other parts) under some warmonging Presidents more favoured for their foreign policy wisdom than others. Sure there is a well-funded UN agency on hand to address this, if not more egregious abuses in less comfy postings.

    Anyway, in covering all bases, it's not like there's a staffing issue yet...

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8839523/BBC-accused-of-overstaffing-as-protesters-pull-out-of-Dale-Farm.html

    Like the 'has been accused...' intro. May give any editor or sub pause before starting their personal rant with 'critics are saying...'. With luck.

    But once those cuts kick in...

  • Comment number 19.

    @17 Yes Jeicoa. It's not bread and circuses, but minimum wage and X-factor: with Jeremy Kyle and selected clips from foreign wars to satisfy bloodlust.

    @16 JC - McCain really is out of touch with reality. Tsar Vladimir is the most popular man in Russia. Of course, the rule of law there is selective, and the election system isn't "free and fair". But neither is the system in the US, where you need to be able to raise hundreds of millions of dollars in order to be able to have an election campaign.

    http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/totals.php?cycle=2008

    http://herndon1.sdrdc.com/cgi-bin/cancomsrs/?_08+CAN+00

    I don't know whether these includes the costs of negative advertising against particular candidates.

    Back to Libya: it's worth noting that there has NEVER been a free and fair election in Libya. The nearest they had to it, in 1952, resulted in successful opposition parties being banned and candidates being exiled.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libyan_general_election,_1952

    I was glad that the Tory MP on NN seemed to be rather intelligent AND less than enthusiastic for further military adventures.

    The section on "iconography of a dictator" was total rubbish, and far less important than, say, the Greek story.

    One counter-example was Francia of Paraguay. "El Supremo", who did not seek the limelight, or much else apparently: "Francia lived a spartan lifestyle. Apart from his books furniture, his only possessions were a tobacco case and a pewter confectionery box. Francia left the state treasury with at least twice as much money in it as when he took office, including 36,500 pesos of his unspent salary, the equivalent of several years' salary."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Gaspar_Rodr%C3%ADguez_de_Francia

    It takes all sorts - even of dictators - to make a world!

  • Comment number 20.

    Which stories are being hidden/downgraded? (@1)

    Here's one, alluded to by Kevsey yesterday. This aljazeera opinion, by Pepe Escobar, deals with both the alleged Iranian plot(s), and the "Fast And Furious" supply of US weapons to Mexican drug cartels. Attorney General Eric Holder is one to watch!

    http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/10/201110121715573693.html

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepe_Escobar

    http://www.atimes.com/ind-pak/CH30Df01.html

  • Comment number 21.

    SEER OBAMA: "THE RULE OF AN IRON FIST INEVITABLY COMES TO AN END!"

    Nuff sed

  • Comment number 22.

    LIAR FLYER NEWS

    It has, belatedly, dawned on me that the 'Misconduct in Public Office' Act does not apply, when Parliament is not in session, as all erstwhile MPs revert to being ordinary citizens. (Ministers seem to be a grey area.)

    The joke is that (reading the Act) ordinary citizens commit FRAUD when they possess (in the broadest sense) any adjunct to cheating people FOR PERSONAL ADVANTAGE. So the MPs now sitting, who connived at distribution of the Conservative Liar Flyer WHILE REDUCED TO BEING ORDINARY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, should the Flyer be legally declared a blatant Liar, would have committed fraud under the 2006 act.

    I wonder if Westminster has a protocol that says: offences committed as an ordinary citizen, cannot bear on an MPs claim to 'honour'? That aside, being returned to Parliament does not give immunity in civil matters.

    Interesting times.

  • Comment number 23.

    Sasha Clarkon @ 19

    To be fair to McCain, his argument was the over-whelming US firepower would have shortened the conflict in Libya, and therefore would have reduced the estimated 30,000 casualties.

    That is probably the case but from the political perspective, it was better for the Libyans to have the sense that they freed themselves from Gadaffi mostly by their own efforts.

    It does not matter whether that is strictly true or not - the main thing is that that is what they believe, which you may wish to contrast with how Iraq was (mis)handled.

    PS. I agree with you about Putin - exactly what Russia needs at this stage of its post-Communist development. And your comments on the US system seem to indicate that you have had a sneak preview of the new Clooney film - The Ides of March, which makes the same point - in the US it is the size of your wallet that brings election success - which ain't exactly democratic as I understand it. As for democracy in our England - lets not go there - I might boil over. At least you Welsh have your own Government, which is more than us English can stay.

  • Comment number 24.

    WALLET SIZE AND UK ELECTIONS (#23)

    I suggest money plays a similar part in our General Elections, but more at party level.
    Recently someone posted the data relating to donation to the Tory Party. Just another area of low-profile corruption. No such thing as a string-free donation.

    D MOCK CRASS Y?

  • Comment number 25.

    I see Paul Mason is sleeping in the streets as part of the camp-in outside St Pauls. Please don't insult us by expecting us to believe he's a dispassionate observer doing it for reasons of research.

  • Comment number 26.

    Sasha,

    I quoted you on Stephanie flanders blog but ran out of characters and cut out your accreditation rather than the content, it is in quotes though.

    Hope you dont mind.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15408256

  • Comment number 27.

    25.At 15:27 21st Oct 2011, MaggieL wrote:
    I see Paul Mason is sleeping in the streets as part of the camp-in outside St Pauls. Please don't insult us by expecting us to believe he's a dispassionate observer doing it for reasons of research.

    >
    Quit whining will you? Most of them manage to find the most expensive room in the most expensive hotel in town?

  • Comment number 28.

    ecolizzy wrote: "Mixed Britannia

    As a white english woman why do I get the feeling that I'm not supposed to live in Britain anymore when I watch this series of programmes."

    Like many posters here, you appear to ask serious questions, but you do not really think about what you are asking, what has been explained, and you do not appear to be interested in the answers to your questions.
    Instead you seem to want to complain like others. But about what? Who is to blame? Might these consequences that you see be because, for many decades now, White English women have been "liberating" themselves, preferring to go out to work, earn and spend a disposable income, freely shopping for what they liked, and generally having "fun", rather than staying at home bearing and bringing up babies?

    Might it be because the White English population has now sunk way below replacement level relative to that of the immigrants brought in from the Commonwealth to make up their numbers through their doing just this?
    Might it be that South Asian wives still try to behave as White English females used to behave, i.e. before they were liberated to be consumers, and might this be why the non White English numbers are increasing relative to the White English?

    People don't think this through. Why not. It is obvious to me at least.

  • Comment number 29.

    JohnConstable wrote: "I agree with you about Putin - exactly what Russia needs at this stage of its post-Communist development. And your comments on the US system seem to indicate that you have had a sneak preview of the new Clooney film - The Ides of March, which makes the same point - in the US it is the size of your wallet that brings election success - which ain't exactly democratic as I understand it."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutocracy

    Technically, it's a plutocracy or plutarchy, and many in the USA are oddly quite proud of it. Many flocked there to be part of it. They believed that anyone could get on through the "Protestant" Ethic, and that anyone who did not get on "chose" to be where they were. Not the odd psychology. If anyone dared to suggest that there was genetic cognitive diversity obstructing this fantasy (which there obviously is - just think of the disabled or the Normal Distribution of most biological phenotypes) they either ignore it, or worse, they attack those pointing it out, including research scientists. The same goes with respect to the nature of "education". Ability is largely genetic. It is selection process.

    This environmentalist delusion is what more and more people are finally waking from, as the science tells them something quite at odds with what the old American Dream once promised, and so more people now realise that genetic diversity demands Democratic Centralism i.e socialism, not predatory capitalism. Why should anyone be rewarded for inheriting abilities or looks which they have through no "choice" of their own?
    It's unjust.

    There is a lot to this which has still to sink in for most people. It will be a slow process, and some who have benefited from an unfair system, will fight enlightenment of others.

    This, and the possibility that Russia, the CIS and SCO have been playing a very clever long-term humane strategy to parody, and thus expose the Libertarian world as repugnant may be worth thinking about. There are those who have said that the Russian oligarchs are just trustees of state assets.....

  • Comment number 30.

    #28 Oh you are in current parlance "spot on" brown dog, but one has to be so careful what one posts, I regret the passing of the English race, it is a great shame, we once contributed a great deal to the world, but now all I can do is bemoan the fact. And have people like Alagiah boast about the fact the english are being replaced.

    Perhaps someone will put on our grave "We Wuz here, but replaced"

    And agreed women will buy anything, someone worked that out a long time ago and thought ah I can go somewhere with that.

  • Comment number 31.

    '27. At 16:43 21st Oct 2011, nautonier wrote:
    25.At 15:27 21st Oct 2011, MaggieL wrote:


    At risk of reminding the mods of their variable rules, as one woman's wine is another's vinegar, so I use one of the few outlets of exchange to offer an opinion that may be different to those who rule the the turf.

    Mr. Mason's 'body of work' does not to me (if that is permitted) suggest an impartial approach to many issues, and 'getting down wiv' da kids' may be suitably laudable in empathising with a set of protagonists, but hardly any reason to ignore all else.

    And just to keep a few 'club' regulars simmering, I share this...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-15378726

    Have to say, this 'killing Israelis' trips off the tongues of some very easily.

    Omar may be back with his family. One wonders about those of his victims. Not an issue in this 'story'.

    And like green jobs, preparing suicide bombs as a career path sounds almost as if it may get an EU subsidy if the cards are played well.

    Funny old world. Often uniquely 'analysed'.

  • Comment number 32.

    @26 No worries Jericoa - I pinched the analogy with the Versailles Treaty from elsewhere anyway! ;-)
    ................And it was John Maynard Keynes who described that as a "Carthaginian Peace".

  • Comment number 33.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/most-popular/headlines/2011/10/21/gaddafi-dead-colonel-gaddafi-s-last-words-as-rebels-dragged-him-through-street-pleading-for-his-life-115875-23504676/

    There is no excuse to shoot Gaddafi in this case. He was caught in broad daylight with no arms and no guards. The rebels could have caught Gaddafi alive, so that he can receive a proper trial for the crimes he committed. Instead they shot him in the same cold blooded way the colonel had treated his own people. What makes the rebels think they have the moral high ground here? It is disturbing to say the least.

  • Comment number 34.

 

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