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Friday 23 September 2011

Verity Murphy | 14:23 UK time, Friday, 23 September 2011

Our Economics editor Paul Mason has just arrived back from Greece, and tonight he will have the latest on the economic crisis both there and further afield.

Plus we will be asking why, unlike in 2009, there is no sign of global leaders coming together to deal with the problem and opting instead for "kicking the can down the road".

Mark Urban will be picking over Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas' decision to present the Palestinians' bid for statehood at the UN later today, despite a US promise to veto the move in the Security Council.

And Susan Watts will have more on the experiment results which are baffling scientists at Cern, home of the Large Hadron Collider, that appear to show subatomic particles known as neutrinos have exceeded the speed of light.


  • Comment number 1.

    So the CERN laboratory has observed particles travelling faster than the speed of light.

    Could this undermine Einstein’s Relativity? Well, if you study it properly there was actually a lot of controversy over Relativity when it emerged. One of the most vocal critics was chemist Frederick Soddy:

    “the theory of relativity, as modified by the modern quantum theory, seems an excellent example of progress in the merely mathematical sphere ….Possibly the Einstein relation is a one-way relation only between mass and energy not between energy and mass, or even more probably, it may not be strictly true at all, as mathematical infinities do not occur in Nature"

    Soddy’s skepticism is there for all to see: “it may not be strictly true at all”.

    So is modern physics falling apart now, just like the theories of modern economics is?

  • Comment number 2.

    Ahmadinejad's speech this year was a corker imho.

    Read it here and read it carefully. You decide if they are the words of a delusional mad man, as depicted by the West’s MSM, or a lucid, cogent and sentient man.

    Our UN representatives had the temerity to walk out on Ahamadinejad's speech. Maybe a few home truths started to hurt. Just who are the good ones and who are the evil ones?

  • Comment number 3.

    Oh no not CERN again, or is it that the eco-fascist BBC can't resist any opportunity to delve into science fantasy land, I believe that the possibility of time travel has been mentioned. Just a pity that the eco-fascist BBC has not yet done a Newsnight feature on the CERN cloud formation research from last month, but perhaps that could explode the CO2 causes climate change fantasy science. Perhaps similarly the NASA data indicating that the earth's atmosphere is losing far more heat into space than EUA computer climate models guesstimated.

  • Comment number 4.


    Good job that the satellite NASA probably used is perhaps conveniently and deliberately falling to earth now so the data can't be repeated. It would appear that the eco-fascist BBC is very selective on the science it reports, and perhaps that reflects on the underlying overall competence of the specialist presenters. After all BBC journalists have to keep their CO2 Climate Scam alive since the eventual value of their pension fund depends on extending and maintaining science fiction in the minds of the ignorant masses !

  • Comment number 5.

    Well, this'll only add to his many fans then.

  • Comment number 6.

    One can only speculate that the only reason the FTSE managed to close up slightly after being down 100 pts at lunchtime was as follows. The hedge funds heavily selling their mining share speculations enabled them to re-pay their loans from the Banks, which all closed up at the end of the day. It would appear that the banks have now got actual cash on their books, but perhaps they will not lend it into our real sustainable economy and yet again lend it for speculation in commodities. One bonus of the stock market crash has been that oil prices have come down ( once again the banks calling in loans to speculators ), lets hope they don't try to start the whole ponzi of borrowed borrowing yet again.

  • Comment number 7.

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  • Comment number 9.

    A controversial memento of the death of Osama bin Laden has gone on sale. The "Obama Kill Osama" figurine features the US president standing triumphantly over the body of bin Laden. Obama has a machine gun slung over his shoulder and one foot on his victim's chest. Osama is depicted with a single gunshot to the forehead, eyes rolled back and his tongue hanging out. The limited edition $129 keepsake includes speech bubbles that allow you to write a message of your choice.

  • Comment number 10.

  • Comment number 11.


    I can't help speculating as to whether it was the Corporate Ethnic Cleansing in the name of Eco-Fascism bit I wrote or the content of the infowars link itself to back up the claim. Apparently the BBC know all about it but have just brushed it under the carpet like anything else which challenges the ideology of the Climate Scam ?

  • Comment number 12.

    'Plus we will be asking why, unlike in 2009, there is no sign of global leaders coming together to deal with the problem and opting instead for "kicking the can down the road".'


    The main crisis in 2008/2009 was actually in the UK & the EU & ROW stood shoulder to shoulder making sure that Gordon Brown pulverised the British taxpayer rather than the incompetent bankers that gambled with our money.

    Gordo piled the debt on the British taxpayer - but now our fellow Europeans & Americans are facing a similar crisis - their politicians wouldn't dare transfer the debt onto e.g. French & German taxpayers as these German, French & US politicians would be hounded out of office. USA is, of course, a little different, as controlling the global reserve currency, for the time being.

    In effect, that is what happened to Brown in the 2010 UK general election - he was 'hounded out' and the German & French politicians are in stalemate as to what to do - as they would both appear to fear/respect their bankers, depending on one's point of view - seemingly in equal measures & simply do not know what to do or are too scared to reveal their preference.

    Brown had no such qualms about thumping the British - mainly English taxpayers - the 'squeezed middle' as Millipede calls them - which is appropriate as it was Brown's Labour govt that set in motion debt repayments that will continue the squeeze for the next 50 years.

    Having seen this occur - Can we really expect French & German politicians to rush in like Brown & be so easy about making the same or similar mistakes as Brown/previous UK Labour govt?

    Hence the very dangerous - 'SQUEE-CESSION' in mainly western, 'Anglo Saxon' business modelled economies.

  • Comment number 13.

    Good intereview by gavin last night with Alexander Lebedev (thank goodness Gavin didn't annoy him too much).

    I do think that the guy punched by Alexander Lebedev was trying to intimidate him & just shows the different mind games & pressures that apply in Russia.

  • Comment number 14.


    Einstein went beyond newtonian physics, this discovery, if proven would hint at something beyond Einstein, not sure it is useful to imply Einstein was wrong though. The body of observed evidence is Einstein 99.9999999% correct... at the moment, just as newton is still 99.99999% correct wrt the physics of 'everyday life on earth'.

    I am a fan of Einstein, he was actually a very moral and wise man, to view him as anumber crunching nerdy physicist would be a gross misrepresentation. He actually needed help with the maths relating to his theories.

    As for economists ... well... that is a different matter entirely, the current model's starting position is 99.999999% absolute b******* with no solid foundation what-so ever in any kind of reality.. which, one fears, we are all about to find out in abig way.


    Ahmejinidad has tried to publicise some valid points, heck even the BBC reported his stance on 9/11 as amain headline for about 2 hours .. before it disappeared altogether rather suddenly from the main news page.

    However, he may score some valid points but in the round he is still a rather frightening and dispicable character I suspect. Hopefully he is at least shrewd enough not to give the USA / Israel axis an excuse to make a false flag out of his nation, interesting that the USA 'hikers' were released this week, perhaps they realise the danger they are in and are minimising opportunity for excuses.

  • Comment number 15.


    Note the wording: "A hung parliament WOULD mean5 more years of Gordon Brown."
    "The Conservatives MUST win HERE to stop another 5 years of Gordon Brown."
    "A vote for any other party, is a cross in the box for Gordon Brown." (Signed: Dignity Dave)

    Well boys and girls - Gordon Brown did NOT come back so CHELTENHAM CLEARLY ELECTED A CONSERVATIVE - YES? AND NO HUNG PARLIAMENT.

    NO! Doh!

    By my logic, the flyer, quoted above, was a 'False instrument' - proved so, by the good burghers of Cheltenham. As a false instrument, used to apply UNDUE INFLUENCE on voters, it contravenes Election Law, namely: 'The Representation of the People Act' - section 115. I further suggest its distribution, is 'Misconduct in Public Office' by all the MPs who saw fit to distribute it.

    I have informed various MPs, and offices/officers in Westminster, a wide diversity of media, and my own MP (who also distributed it). NO ONE CARES A HOOT.

    My MP has told me my logic is faulty, hence he will not engage any further . . .

    THERE is 'democracy under the rule of law', - not worth a teaspoon of spit.


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  • Comment number 17.

    #14 Jericoa

    "However, he [Ahmadinejad] may score some valid points but in the round he is still a rather frightening and dispicable character I suspect."

    Why do you suspect that?

    Ahmadinejad is a trained engineer, just like you.

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  • Comment number 19.


    Your ingenuous question highlights the whole charade Lizzy.

    ONLY an 'independent' who is known locally for integrity, decency, maturity (usual list) amounts to 'who'. All the other candidates are ill defined (deliberately) by manifesto (not binding) party-leader-whim (unpredictable) and divided 'loyalty'. They do not warrant the 'who' of individual identity, more the 'what' of something on ones shoe.

    Don't forget to ask you MP if your vote should go to his rosette or himself. If for himself - ask why not stand as independent. If for rosette, make clear he forfeits any personal empowerment (he is a cipher). If he says 'both' - NO MAN CAN SERVE TWO MASTERS.

    Better by far, between now and 2015:


  • Comment number 20.

    15.At 21:46 23rd Sep 2011, barriesingleton wrote:

    It's a figure of speech - IMO sounds better than 'Mr Brown lost the election by a small number of seats due to the Lib Dems conniving with the Conservatives to oust Mr Brown from power' (who would otherwise have continued his squat as squatting is not illegal in England even though it is illegal under Scottish law).

    The point being - Labour should not have lost that election even with Brown in charge as they had a massive majority in the House of Commons.

    Brown was 'hounded out' over debts, deficits & taxes & liabilities - and the European politicians do not wish to follow in his footsteps - hence the lack of progress on European debt issues

  • Comment number 21.

    MEA CULPA (#20)

    Apologies nautonier. I was being opportunistic, to get my oft-repeated (out of utter frustration) point over.

    Needs must while the Devil occupies Westminster. (In my view, the actual party of power, with its Prime Minister of presumption, is incidental.)

    Regardless of all that, my point, at #15, is that LAWS WERE BROKEN in the formation of the current Westminster government.

    Do you care? Does anyone?

  • Comment number 22.


    Childhood being eroded by modern life, experts warn

    "The letter adds: “Although parents are now deeply concerned about this issue, the erosion of childhood in the UK has continued apace since 2006. Our children are subjected to increasing commercial pressures, they begin formal education far earlier than the European norm, and they spend ever-more time indoors with screen-based technology, rather than in active outdoor activity and play."

    Is it childhood or just Britain per se? It's an oppressive, miserable hell-hole and most people’s outlets are either drinking, shopping or both.

    Whatever you think, we are now in a Global Corporate World and GLOBAL CORPORATE pressure via political donations will perpetuate the relentless marketing, cloning, brainwashing and programming of our offspring to meet their CORPORATE SALES FORECASTS at whatever cost to society.

  • Comment number 23.

    If the scientists are right that neutrinos can travel faster than light, then we have to conclude that contrary to what most experts say, neutrinos do NOT have mass. And since they do not interact or interact as strongly as light with as many of the other types of particles, antiparticles, dark matter and gravity found in an absolute vacuum, they should be able to move faster than light. Light, though fast in a vacuum, is still being slowed dowm by many of these entities and as such cannot hold the speed record. The "C" in Einstein equation should be the speed of neutrinos in a vacuum.
    Actually, the particle or entity that has no mass, no charge and absolutely no interaction with anything in this universe should be the one that holds the ultimate speed record. Unfortunately, such a particle or entity by definition is impossible to detect.

  • Comment number 24.


    Well posted MuseV

    The direction of travel, and preoccupations, of UK governance, are enough to make one believe that Britain is possessed by the Devil. I suppose being possessed by the psychologically damaged, amounts to the same.

    The irony that Dave is 'doing a Tony' - MENDING THE WORLD'S ERRORS - brings on a despair that (perhaps) only nihilistic pursuit of narcotic substances and diversions can blot out.

    Westminster is a refuge for damaged children who have NO IDEA of their condition. How ironic that Dave et al were so quick to PROJECT the Westminster syndrome onto our rioters, WHILE DENYING ANY PARALLEL!!!!!

    There is no mystery; the reality has been understood for decades; refined as the years passed. But look at tobacco! Decades of understanding of the damage it does, has not stopped its open sale as STATE SPONSORED POISON. Read the packets! It takes a really sick mind to pass a law defining such messages, AND STILL PERMIT SALE.

    Lest we forget, one packet-message is: "SLOW PAINFUL DEATH".

    Westminster is the common factor in all our ills; it is self-perpetuating and well defended AGAINST THE PEOPLE.


  • Comment number 25.

    DARK AETHER (#23)

    I claim prior art.

  • Comment number 26.


    Cameron would no doubt concur, adding: "And they may be bought at any cost to integrity and the rule of law". See #15 above.

    How much more civilised this country would be if our politicians were simply moved by service to its citizens, delivered with integrity. But while pernicious PARTY politics endure, Westminster will be filled with sad individuals IN THE MARKET FOR VOTES.

    Nuff sed

  • Comment number 27.

    21.At 09:29 24th Sep 2011, barriesingleton wrote:
    MEA CULPA (#20)

    Regardless of all that, my point, at #15, is that LAWS WERE BROKEN in the formation of the current Westminster government.

    Do you care? Does anyone?


    I think people tend to care most about things which they can best relate to - while much that happens at Westminster in non-transparent, not understood & beyond re-dress of the ordinary citizen - I think that most do not care.

    For what its worth I think that the whole of English Parliament needs major reform & relocating to e.g. Liverpool or Birmingham as more representative of the majority & not as London centric & globalised.

    When the speaker of the House of Commons has a pronounced 'Scouse accent' - I think the Parliament will be on its way to becoming a people's Parliament & not just be serving the political class

  • Comment number 28.


    Are you a 'party person' nautonier? Which party do you see as best?

    When our POLITICAL SYSTEM turns a blind eye to a party producing a false instrument, that an MP (former and aspiring) causes to be PUT THOUGH MY DOOR, I find no difficulty in 'relating to' the impropriety. Indeed, I feel honour-bound to confront the perpetrators.

    How do you feel about unlawful political instruments through YOUR door - in the name of democracy?

  • Comment number 29.

    A commonly known practice finally gets a mention in the press:

    The truth about polygamy: A special investigation into how Muslim men can exploit the benefits system

    There you go...ain't diversity great

  • Comment number 30.


    To manage ANY society, with the complexities of the modern world impinging, requires the most socially and psychologically competent individuals to be in stewardship of the nation.

    In England, we have a bunch of damaged children, desperate for status, attention, and power over others, that they lack over themselves.

    The evidence of their ineptitude goes FAR WIDER than this, it is reported daily.

    'Good men' are still doing nothing.

  • Comment number 31.

    if blair [patron of jnf] is against a palestine state then it must be the right thing to do?

  • Comment number 32.

    people are confusing the movement on markets with the debt problems. markets are not a measure of economic reality but of bets of the oligarchy. Markets are there to make profit not be some indicator of reality. If it was everyone would make money because they would be predictable.

    its only the west that is sinking. BRICS are doing very nicely. There is a totally different atmosphere there. In arabia its the boom time because the arab dictators have promised to spend billions on the people to prevent revolutions.

    yes austerity is not only keeping without your means but doing without things you can afford. stopping excessive spending is not 'austerity'.

    its still 10 yuan = £1.

    it take an ex member of workers power to say mercantilsm is 'a danger'. when naked aggressive mercantislm is what china is using against us. the only thing gloomy about that is that some commentators say its a 'danger' when its the one thing we need to do.

  • Comment number 33.

  • Comment number 34.



    David Cameron resigns as patron of the Jewish National Fund

    Looks like they were/are all at it.

    It also looks like that patronage of the JNF was a pre-requisite for the job of PM of the UK.

  • Comment number 35.

    #32 jc

    "its still 10 yuan = £1.

    it take an ex member of workers power to say mercantilsm is 'a danger'. when naked aggressive mercantislm is what china is using against us. the only thing gloomy about that is that some commentators say its a 'danger' when its the one thing we need to do."

    Can you not see how you are confused? China has a managed Planned Economy, the USA has a libertarian, free-market economy. They are on the same planet, but they operate with different Constitutions. You have to look at each system from within it's own system and not look at each in terms of each other. Each consider themselves democracies.

    China manages its population and its government and has a primary duty to its people, not the rest of the world or to shareholders (who could be anywhere in the USA given the NYSE etc). If US companies don't want goods from China and don't want to set up factories in China, it does not have to. It is Americans(?) who have done this, to enrich a minority.

    They only care about the other Americans as consumers. What will happen is that US based businesses will look for consumers elsewhere in the world, in developing markets. They have no national loyalty like China does.

    Stop referring to China as if it is another USA which is not playing by the USA's rules. Why should it?

    The biggest currency manipulators are the US, and in doing so, are totally abusing their power of having reserve currency status (only just I might add).

  • Comment number 36.


    "Our environmental and humanitarian work is not based on any political or religious affiliation, but rather on supporting Israel and its population – whatever their background. This was the case before the modern state of Israel was created and will continue to be the case long into the future." (JNF UK Chairman.)

    The above reads like a text for an English Language exam paper: "Replace the final three words with a more commonplace ending."

    Interesting already.

  • Comment number 37.

    This comment has been referred for further consideration. Explain.

  • Comment number 38.

    I hope I'm not too late with this one....,people,news,peter-oborne-attacks-bbc-and-ft-for-pro-euro-bias

    Yup censoreship is all at the BBC

  • Comment number 39.


    there is no confusion. its clear what china is doing. it is conducting an aggressive imperialist mercantislist campaign while adopting the narrative of 'free markets' as a smokescreen.

    its the way the prc and its internet warfare team works.

  • Comment number 40.

    #29 kevseywevsey (link in your post)

    "The truth about polygamy: A special investigation into how Muslim men can exploit the benefits system

    There you go...ain't diversity great"

    Try and see beyond the simple headline. Think of what others want you to feel and think about this story. What might their ulterior motives be? Think of these stories as pawns in a game of chess....try to think a few moves forward.

    Are these types of people being 'employed' to DELIBERATELY exploit our welfare system TO THE MAXIMUM?

    Why else would such people leave their own countries and come here? What makes here more attractive? This is one of the problems with building a welfare state. It's why socialist countries built walls of some sort. It was to keep others out (remember the ring around West Berlin, and enclave in East Germany?).

    Most people don't mind hard working immigrants who integrate, providing the economy can sustain them and that they contribute. The justified fear that many have, is that immigrants will turn their enclaves into a replication of the communities which they left back home. In many respects those fears are well grounded.

    Because you want a liberal, non authoritarian (aka anarchistic) government. That's why we have seen so much deregulation though, that's why we are losing the welfare state through cuts and privatisation! That's why people have been financially exploited. Many of those doing the exploiting are very keen on mass immigration, as it means more consumers, more debtors, often spending welfare money too!


  • Comment number 41.

    #40 Ah don't worry muse it's only going to get worse. I hear another 20 million are expected in the next 40 years, glad I'll be dead. By jove all those consumers, I suppose everywhere will be concreted over as well.

    We cannot have a welfare state and mass immigration, it just doesn't work.

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  • Comment number 43.


    Labour’s embarrassing immigration secrets revealed

    Just think of these immigrants as additional (low descriminating ability) consumers (i.e. more suckers). And the ones that did find employment enabled a significant reduction in the wages of the indigenous workers.

    Those that immediately claimed benefits were seen by the rest (quite rightly) as unfairly making money out of a welfare system that they have neither contributed to or support.



    I will guarantee you that net immigration will continue to rise under the Con-Dem coalition government and will indeed any other libertarian government and combination there-of (Con/Lib/Lab).

    It's called liberal democracy folks...

  • Comment number 44.


    I doubt many indigenes ever, mentally, expand the AD and BC. Surely we just think of years counted forward or back from notional year zero. (Yes pedants - I know.)

    The way to bury this sort of rubbish is to invent some ourselves.

    As most door-bells are now not on the door, they should be re-designated house-bells or visitor bells.

    Now that cyclist are mixed with pedestrians, anything not 'carriageway', should be designated 'multi-use non-carriageway, metalled, amenity surface (MNMAS).

    A blog post, of course, takes the name: Instantly Moderated Hate Outburst (IMHO)

  • Comment number 45.

    #38 lizzy (link in your post)

    Peter Oborne is more interesting than most.

    This is what it states in his Wiki page...

    "Again in collaboration with James Jones, Oborne penned the pamphlet, THE PRO-ISRAEL LOBBY IN BRITAIN, which outlined the influence enjoyed by pro-Israeli lobbyists on media and politics in the United Kingdom. The article asserts that while the lobbying efforts of groups such as Conservative Friends of Israel (CFI), Labour Friends of Israel, and the Britain Israel Communications and Research Centre (BICOM) are not illegal, their funding is untraceable, their operations are not transparent, and media seldom declare the influence of junkets arranged by these pro-Israeli entities on the tenor of their writing. Oborne and Jones conclude that changes are needed "because politics in a democracy should never take place behind closed doors. It should be out in the open and there for all to see." He also presented the Channel 4 Programme Dispatches ‘Inside Britain's Israel Lobby’."

    Maybe he's paid a handsome wage NOT to go too far?

  • Comment number 46.

    :p Instead of using BCE and CE, we should have BBBE (Before Bush Blair Era) and ABBE(After Bush Blair Era)...

    In all seriousness, is there really any point in replacing BC/AD with BCE/CE? As Barrie mentioned, it's still the same year "zero".

  • Comment number 47.

    '42. At 23:09 24th Sep 2011, ecolizzy -

    The indigenous people of england are being wiped out

    Speaking of wiping out in what one is sure some would see as 'balance'...

    ''Both AD and BC, and CE and BCE are widely accepted date systems and the decision on which term to use lies with individual production and editorial teams.'

    As the entity that reflects, and speaks for me, apparently, I'd like to see that claim substantiated, as I had until now never heard of CE or BCE.

    As, it seems, others have not either...

    However, I suspect answers may be thin on the ground as we are treated to 'analysis' of Labour's 'fully costed' brainwaves from such as ex-girlfriends and ideological fellow travellers.

  • Comment number 48.

    '46. At 10:17 25th Sep 2011, Mistress76uk -

    In all seriousness, is there really any point in replacing BC/AD with BCE/CE? As Barrie mentioned, it's still the same year "zero".'

    Indeed. And some may still have cause to be concerned on what event that year is zeroed on.

    Bbc Correctness or Asinine Dogma, the result seems the same.

  • Comment number 49.

    ZERO (#48)

    The Jewish zero looks a bit tenuous; ours just about as ill-defined.

    Let's just look forward to the Mayan 'End Time'.

    In passing: since each zero is notional, the world should settle on BZ and AZ - any zero will do.

  • Comment number 50.


    'By 2050, Palestinians west of the Jordan will outnumber Israelis two to one. Syria, Jordan and Egypt, which had 40 million people at the time of the Six-Day War, will have 170 million. Militarily, Israel remains dominant, but neither time nor demography seems to be on her side. And Arab acceptance seems more distant than ever.'

  • Comment number 51.

    AH HA! (#50)

    That fits well with my #36.

    Anything in Revelations or Nostradamus to cover it? Anyone 'shorting' nemesis?

    What rejoicing there will be in Muslim Britain (eh Liz?)

    Interesting times.

  • Comment number 52.


    But it was US! 'Good men' did nothing (Westminster has no good men).

    Evil triumphed - WE GOT OURSELVES ANOTHER ONE.

    The problem is Westminster. It is systemically, intrinsically, constitutionally CORRUPT.


  • Comment number 53.

  • Comment number 54.


    Almost like a cartel agreement . . .

    Westminster politics is a game, in which 'all shall have prizes' - except the dumb electorate who persist in acceptance of corrupt governments, such that we ALWAYS GET OURSELVES ANOTHER ONE.

    I have tried, for over a year, to get Westminster to enforce/obey ITS OWN LAWS . . .

    Nuff sed.

  • Comment number 55.

    And thats another reason why Labour will be in the political woods of wilderness for many years to come. Them Marxist wets trying to change the cultural landscape of these Islands was a folly which we already know has proven expensive and mostly intolerable for the rest of us. Having 4+ million immigrants added to this already populated Island was only ever gonna be a burden.. people are living in sheds due to lack of housing, rents higher than ever for most families and singles, services crushed with demand, political correctness still running rampant, bending its back to all cultures other than our own -that historical Christian value backbone broke by the degenerate hatefilled leftists due to their constant attack whilst clasping their hands in reverence to the Islamic faith ..all this whilst simultaneously pulling out the racist card to anyone who dare question their diversity loving agenda.

    I'm a Tory card carrier -that gets me into their conferences but I'm not active as I live amongst the brain dead Libs and the communists of South Manchester. From a Tory to an English nationalist has been my path in the last 10 years -and with Irish/Scottish parentage, a near miracle has been performed in my fight for English identity... I have a metaphorical megaphone that used to get me they lean forward and listen; they get the they know the jokes on them. Have you ever heard mortified laughter?..its very popular these days. The BBC ain't picked up on it yet though as they are still busy trying to find a role and a slot for Marcus Brigstocke - that joke blower whose material consists of slagging the Daily Mail off. I don't know if the BBC **** ***** have noticed but even the students are tired of his routines.

    Note to BBC news hacks. If another building collapses..can you hold back your managed news fed report until it actually collapses. You know, for future reference..I know you can't help yourselves getting in there first with a juicy report and all that but credibility for a massive news corporation with a top notch reputation such as the BBC must always remain high...otherwise people start asking questions.

    Mod: I hope this post meets with your approval for publication as I know the hoops that you've got to pass these things through. I'll thank you in advance for your careful consideration in this matter as I imagine your job is like those games that kids play...Operation and the other one where you have to follow a hoop around a bendy wire without touching the wire...otherwise it buzzes on you.

  • Comment number 56.


    I just sent a repeat plea, for some Westminster integrity, to Baroness Helena Kennedy - human rights lawyer and all-round good person. (I have been ignored three times, including recorded delivery.)

    I got a message back saying her inbox is full. Why should I doubt?

  • Comment number 57.


    When an invader mercenary, draped in modern kit, calls vulnerable defenders 'cowards' for following Churchill's defence diktat (using whatever they have) and when another says: "It's quite good fun shooting people", and when none of them suggests they are keeping Tooting High Street safe, you may safely deduce PERVERSITY RULES.

  • Comment number 58.


    KEISER REPORT E188 - Paul Mason featured!

  • Comment number 59.

  • Comment number 60.

    #58 barrie


    We are all fraggers now!

    Max has not realised that Papandreou is president of the SI.

    He's in on it...he's one of them.

  • Comment number 61.

    BTW - When is Stacey Herbert going to learn to read?

  • Comment number 62.


    Nearly 1 in 4 young children in the U.S. living below the poverty line, but aid to Israel is untouchable

    The number of children living in poverty in the United States increased by 2.6 million since the recession began in 2007, bringing the total to an estimated 15.7 million poor children in 2010, according to researchers from the Carsey Institute at the University of New Hampshire. The researchers estimate that nearly 1 in 4 children under the age of 6 now live in poverty. Senior US officials clarified during a series of meetings with Finance Minister Yuval Steinitz, Washington has no intention of downsizing military aid to Israel, despite the drastic cuts in the US budget, according to a Finance Ministry statement Friday.

  • Comment number 63.


    If the Mad Elite mass-vaccinate AGAINST certain diseases and FOR docility, those who refuse vaccination may be removed, at will, by subsequent release of the relevant pathogens.

    Sort of puts Manglish invaders, monetary collapse, and housing problems into perspective!

    Don't have nightmares.

  • Comment number 64.

    Have to love the current BBC home page photo choice, though I suspect Mr. Miliband may join the ranks of those who feel there are those within the BBC who are too often 'setting scenes' for what is wished vs. what actually is.

  • Comment number 65.

    America and Europe: Saving the Rich and Losing the Economy

    "In other words, Europe under the EU and Jean-Claude Trichet is a return to the most extreme form of feudalism in which a handful of rich are pampered at the expense of everyone else.
    This is what economic policy in the West has become–a tool of the wealthy used to enrich themselves by spreading poverty among the rest of the population."

  • Comment number 66.

    In the midst of this global debt crisis, America is the odd one out. The yield on 10 year US treasuries has fallen to the level post WWII, when the US was then the largest creditor nation in the world, and US dollar was on the gold standard. With hindsight, it struck me that raising the debt ceiling could not have come at a better time for the US government, as it helped reinforce the market’s confidence in their ability to borrow, just before the most recent and serious wave of debt crisis hits Europe. Why launch QE3 when investors around the world are now falling over themselves to buy US treasuries at any cost?

    On the contrary, a large part of Europe is now suffering from the serious consequences of quantitative easing implemented during the last global recession in 2008: severe debt crisis, credit and asset bubbles, and an oversupply of production capacity in the economy leading to bad loans on their banks’ balance sheets. It is too simplistic in my view to conclude that the problem is caused by living beyond one’s means. Without large increases in factory orders from abroad, hot money flowing into the Eurozone for years and large capital investments launched to stimulate growth in the economy (after sub-prime mortgage crisis broke out in the US), Greece and other peripheral countries’ finances wouldn’t be in this mess now.

    It is always the same game played by an elitist group of financiers – creation of a bubble (by the injection of capital) and then bursting of a bubble (by the repatriation of capital). Except this time, they have the countries with large balance of trade surpluses to take the blame, even though China and Japan have really been played for suckers on this one - first shifting their investments out of US at super low exchange rates (having been scared out by all those doom and gloom research reports produced by investment banks and credit rating agencies who are surprise surprise ran by the Americans) and then into Europe just before the whole debt crisis is about to shift gear.

    (Courtesy of views from an anonymous online blogger)

  • Comment number 67.


    Germany at war over eurozone bail-out

    Confirmation of the talks, however, sparked outrage in Germany, where opposition politicians threatened to derail the plans by voting against a key amendment to the bail-out fund this Thursday.


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