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Tuesday 19 July 2011

Sarah McDermott | 10:30 UK time, Tuesday, 19 July 2011

Rupert Murdoch has said he was "appalled and ashamed" to learn that the phone of Milly Dowler had been hacked by the News of the World while being questioned by MPs alongside his son James this afternoon.

We've also heard Sir Paul Stephenson - the outgoing commissioner of the Met police - give his evidence to the home affairs committee today, and will watching when former NI exec Rebekah Brooks appears shortly.

On tonight's programme we'll be analysing what we learned from today's hearings and will be considering what future the News International empire has.

Don't miss it - 2230, BBC Two.

Comments

  • Comment number 1.


    Two of the biggest political scandals this country has witnessed this century have resulted in the mysterious deaths of the whistleblowers.

    Coincidence?

    RIP Dr Kelly and Mr Hoare.

    MOVE ALONG NOW MOVE ALONG, NOTHING TO SEE HERE!

  • Comment number 2.

    and both were on the 18th July.....

  • Comment number 3.


    The Head Of The World's Biggest Hedge Fund Sees "Economic Collapse" Due To Money Printing By Early 2013

    http://www.businessinsider.com/the-head-of-the-worlds-biggest-hedge-fund-sees-economic-collapse-due-to-money-printing-by-early-2013-2011-7


    “People concentrate on the particular thing of the moment, and they forget the larger underlying forces,” he said. “That’s what got us into the debt crisis. It’s just today, today.”


    Looks like he uses the Mayan calendar.

  • Comment number 4.

    #2

    Just in time for summer recess!

  • Comment number 5.

    WATCHING THE A TEAM

    But which one is MAD Murdoch? And what does 'A' stand for?

    James is Filibuster in Chief - Rupert just thinks v e r y s l o w l y.

    I bet they LOVE it when a plan comes together.

    "This is the most humble day of my life". (Rupert Murdoch) Shame nobody taught him the magic is lost if you announce it.

    All together now: OH LORD IT'S HARD TO BE HUMBLE, BUT I'M DOING THE BEST THAT I CAN.

    I'll get me come-uppance.

  • Comment number 6.


    The Profumo Scandal
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profumo_scandal

    "Stephen Ward was prosecuted for living on the immoral earnings of prostitution and he committed suicide in August."

    Summer suicides are quite uncommon and on the whole there is only a 0.000174% chance of a particular individual committing suicide in the 45 to 75 year old age group.

    http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=1092

  • Comment number 7.

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  • Comment number 8.


    Seems like I'm not the only one suspicious about the 'suicides' of whistleblowers...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14183505?postId=109723855

  • Comment number 9.

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  • Comment number 10.


    This was just tweeted on the BBC Murdoch coverage website...

    "1626: John Cooper QC Criminal Law & Justice Weekly texts: These are speeches not questions. Why no lawyers on the committee?"

    An act of orchestrated incompetence?

  • Comment number 11.

    #5 barry: "I'll get me come-uppance."


    i giggled. ;)

  • Comment number 12.

    SHOCK HORROR - MURDOCHS CLAIM UNAWARE OF WHAT WENT ON (exclusive)

    Andrew Neill and chums scandalised. How soon they forget.

    Yet Maggie un-knew a lot of incriminating stuff at the Arms to Iraq enquiry.

    Westminster Creatures and Media Creatures - can't get a fag paper between 'em.

  • Comment number 13.

    'On tonight's programme we'll be analysing what we learned from today's hearings'

    My Singapore-Chinese missus just told me to get downstairs and help make dinner.

    I am minded to comply. Before I do.... a 'new media' era to be proud of:

    '@philipmossop One excellent reason to love twitter. 200m people already know who attacked Murdoch. BBC still describing him as 'a young male'

    Being outed as outdated and useless. Priceless.

    Beyond 'inspiring' such as Mr. Gilmour and this latest 'spoksperson of the people'.

    Suspect 'how awful' airtime will still go to MileE...to speak for 'us'?

    And what guessing on 'guests' tonight? #UKUncut sidelined for a wee bit as voices of 'the people'?

  • Comment number 14.

    "Before the cock crows twice, thou shalt deny me thrice"

    Blair and Mandelson's wrigglings are the most nauseating of all!

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/0,1518,775121-2,00.html

    If this really is a "British Spring", then we must make sure that traditional loyalty to political brands does not protect the guilty and help them rewrite history.

    If the contagion does finish Cameron, then we should have a cross-party caretaker administration , led by David Davis say, of those unconnected to the Chipping-Norton set, whilst the parties attempt to cleanse their stables. An election now would just entrench the toadies and hypocrites.

  • Comment number 15.

    BRITISH SPRING? (#14 link)

    The only one I can see is sticking out of a mattress dumped in a dried up reservoir.
    (Did you see what I did there?)

    As for democracy - I repeat: only in English does it encompass MOCK and CRASS.

    Nuff sed.

  • Comment number 16.

  • Comment number 17.

    MASS PSYCHOSIS IN THE US?

    http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/07/20117313948379987.html

    Although this is a Big Pharma story, I can't help but feel that it's related to the media one.

  • Comment number 18.




    So ..... Two of the Gorgons have opted to lay their empty heads on the executioner’s block. The axe-blade erratically hovers at the apex of it’s arc, awaiting the opportunity to swiftly cleave the writhing snake ridden pates and destroy the much dreaded beasts ....

    But wait ......

    Go get a cup of coffee! (Maybe you’ll unexpectedly be allowed ten minutes, subject to circumstance of course!) Better still ...... go buy a large jar!

    Even better .....

    Go plant a coffee bean!

    But .... Again! .... Wait!

    One of the evil - Sorry should that read ‘chosen to ‘admit’ to being niaive/ill-informed/ill-advised/too busy - icons of dread is missing, absent, perhaps still adrift or above, perhaps aloft?

    OK .....

    Maybe we’ll get just letting of blood tomorrow?

    Probably not!



    Hmmm! .....

    Try to visualise the following .......

    A manorial abode, a roaring fire - or central heating up high. (Perhaps your preference, not mine.) - well and frequently filled goblets, sumptuous fare, flickering lanterns, glowing baubles on the feng shui aligned tree. The scene jewelled by moonlight reflecting on the serene landscape, heavily adorned with drifted virgin snow? Only the mass of oversize Chelsea Tractors remind any interloper that this place is contemporary times.

    Mild intoxication makes for free banter. Body language declares that this is a company of friends, good friends, close friends. Eyes meet, languid and meaningful looks exchanged, fleeting glances. The goodwill of the festive season, the ease of the moment, work pressures graciously sidelined .....

    “Calm down, Dear! Calm down! Surely, my fine little flame haired filly, you can’t expect me to tell me you what ol’ Blitherington-Dobbin-Smyth will be doing about that skiffingly boring ol’ chunder! Perhaps, my little flopsy, a canter in the morning? Better still, a full blown lathering gallup? If me gout holds out, ogf course!”

    “Ab fab! my dear! Honestly whoopsi-daisy!”

    Laughter fills the air ......


    Yeah right!

    ‘Damocles, me ol’ mucka .... Can I borrow your sword mate? If not this evening, then tomorrow? Give it a clean! Don’t want sepsis involved, there’s enough of that about already’



    And ... Oh yes .....

    Why does red body pigmentation change? Blood loss perhaps?



    And ... Oh yes .....

    Keep to the plan ....

    Follow the money!


    And finally, so as no to cause anyone un-necessary work .....

    374.


  • Comment number 19.

    Some relief from eco-fascist Corporate Ethnic Cleansing at last !

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14204236

    Eco-fascist leaning scientists oppose the culling of badgers because all the time badgers were protected the whole object of the exercise was to make cattle farming uneconomic, and force especially small farmers off the land. Part of the overall plan was BBC Escape to the Country where ex-farmhouse prices were artificially inflated as trendy for wealthy green leaning city folk to move into, making their lordships estates a fortune in the process. Its probably the case that some farm houses re-developed are now worth more than the whole former farm would have been if anyone had attempted to run it as a business. Of course plenty of mega sheep farmers willing to get cheaper rates for farming the land itself, but with less benefit to the local economy as a whole.

  • Comment number 20.

    Did everyone see Piegate? If you didn't then here it is:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC7WwHPjUv4

  • Comment number 21.

    Some very valid points made here.

    http://www.positivemoney.org.uk/2011/07/forget-phone-hacking-the-real-outrage-should-be-at-the-banking-crisis/

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/margaret-heffernan-/have-mps-got-their-courag_b_901330.html

    I don't agree with Ben Dyson's comment "Forget Phone Hacking - The Real Outrage Should be at the Banking Crisis", simply because I think the two are intimately connected. The Murdoch media, including the WSJ, are powerful voices opposed to any real reform*. Instead, like many on the right, they are looking to use the crisis to enhance their own wealth and status and increase inequality. Also, freely created money is very useful to a media empire when bidding for sports rights etc.

    * http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/11/opinion/11krugman.html

  • Comment number 22.

    bridgewater hedge fund warned the us about the credit crisis but were ignored.

    http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/07/25/110725fa_fact_cassidy?currentPage=all

  • Comment number 23.

    move along now, there's nothing to see here, ain't you got no 'omes to go to, let the nice man through, he's given his evidence....you [people are never satisfied....

  • Comment number 24.

    #17 sasha: ever see "A Very Peculiar Practice"? One particular episode...

    http://www.tv.com/a-very-peculiar-practice/black-bobs-hamburger-suit/episode/132354/summary.html


    again, i completely agree with you. I have heard many stories how these supposed "anti-psychotics" have actually made most people's symptoms worse, and how they have been vastly over-prescribed. However, the same is true of many countries: rather unsurprisingly, often the ones WITH the large pharmaceutical companies and/or the social/political mentality that "Control must be kept!!".

    it has been shown that supposedly ADHD students, when in a class led by good teachers, the "symptoms" are reduced. Symptoms being boredom, fidgety, disruptive behaviour.

    mmhmmm.

    now, i'm not saying that there is no ADHD, nor that the overly sugared, high caffeine diet of many youngsters does't have an impact. Nor am i saying that constant monitoring, and testing to pass stupid parrot-exams that even the *teachers* hate doesn't have an impact. Nor would i deny that having surveillance cameras following them wherever they go, and the new technological tools such as FB that can create whole new levels of stress that previous generations struggle to comprehend - has no impact upon their behaviour.

    nor that this is a generation of parents brought up by the Murdochracy doesn't have an impact.

    all of these things impact our kids, and much more besides.

    me, i just doubt they can all be solved with drugs. Especially when the Big-Pharma companies are so clearly corrupt, and have practices that even most street-dealers would find morally objectionable. Where studies are repeatedly shown to have been distorted, side-effects ignored, and preference lies in "paying off" the victims, because the profits from the sales are so great.


    but hey, its mainly poor people who are affected, and the wealthy who profit. So who cares?

    [please don't be naive and look at Parliament: that body is aiming to slash the Welfare State in order to pay the costs of bailing out the Banks.]

    and the UK could lose valuable "investment" by Big Pharma if they were challenged!! Golly Gorsh!!! :o


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1361834/Teacher-Tarah-Ausburn-sacked-drugged-kids-today-bumper-sticker.html

  • Comment number 25.

    Delighted as I am to see the Murdochs on the spot and answering questions - actually, unable to answer not being privy to the facts apparently, or unable 'to re-call' I am a little concerned that Lansley seems to have slipped a little NHS news under the radar - that good day to bury bad news again.

  • Comment number 26.

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  • Comment number 27.

    I find it difficult to believe the the police/security were so incompetent as to let Murdoch be physically attacked. Was it staged to gain him sympathy? "Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're NOT out to get you!"

    If I were an MP on the committee, I would have read him his now infamous quote: “You tell these bloody politicians whatever they want to hear, and once the deal is done you don’t worry about it. They’re not going to chase after you later if they suddenly decide what you said wasn’t what they wanted to hear. Otherwise they’re made to look bad, and they can’t abide that. So they just stick their heads up their asses and wait for the blow to pass.”*

    Then I would have asked "Do you accept that this is your attitude, and does it make you a "fit and proper person" to be in charge of anything at all, as it appears that you are proud to negotiate in bad faith. Speaking as a 'bloody politician' myself, I would like to know the truth!"

    Back to paranoia or otherwise - The message is being ever repeated that the timely death of Mr Hoare was "not suspicious".

    How does the old saying go? Something like "The more she talked of her honour, the faster we counted our spoons."

    *Rupert Murdoch, interviewed by Thomas Kiernan in Citizen Murdoch, Dodd Mead, New York, 1986

  • Comment number 28.

    @24 "ever see "A Very Peculiar Practice"?"

    It was one of my favourite TV series of all time Mork. :-D

    BTW I loved one of your teacher's other stickers "A clear conscience is a sign of a bad memory".

    There might be an alternative for ADHD - the "Mozart Effect" :-)

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/science/mozarteffect.shtml

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3544623.stm

    Remember in one of the St Trinians films when the "Men from the Ministry" played Tchaikovsky's 'Waltz of the Flowers' to calm themselves down?

    http://i385.photobucket.com/albums/oo298/captainwaggett/vlcsnap-1840640.png

    I would prefer some Haydn myself!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cQOby47bk8

  • Comment number 29.

    The whole eco-CO2 protest thing was a " Corporate Nazi " inspired Labour government propaganda stunt ( sponsored by plod ) to make the 2008 Climate Change Act look popular !

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/jul/19/power-station-activists-win-appeal

  • Comment number 30.

    From an aljazeera article "Ignorance Today"

    http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/07/2011712145927650899.html

    ".....if we push far enough, most of us do not actually know, in the Platonic sense, much of anything."

    Yet different people believe, with absolute certainty, mutually incompatible things about alleged fact. There still is a Flat Earth society - it even has a shop - is anyone tempted?

    http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/cms/images/stories/fes_tshirt_royal_blue.jpg

    Sweet dreams everyone! :-D

  • Comment number 31.

    "ON YOUR WATCH"

    Ms Mensch, ambition-driven, asked Rupert M if he intended to resign. Will she be asking Cameron the same question? Murdoch runs media - Dave 'runs' Britain. Dave is clearly the more responsible - more culpable.

    In addition: on coming to power, Dave wrote the forward to the new Ministerial Code: "We must be different in how we think and how we behave. We must be different from what has gone before us. Careful with public money. Transparent about what we do and how we do it. Determined to act in the national interest, ABOVE IMPROPER INFLUENCE (my emphasis). Mindful of our duty. Above all, grateful for our chance to change our country.”

    http://www.civilservant.org.uk/ministerialcode2010.pdf

    HAVING WRITTEN THUS, IN LIGHT OF RECENT EVENTS; HONOUR DEMANDS HIS RESIGNATION.

  • Comment number 32.

    #30 LINK

    Sasha - would it be germane to point out the world is spherical, rather than round?

    Is knowing diminished by imperfect saying?

    I'll get me diploma.

  • Comment number 33.

    I was never much of a fan of Murdoch but after realising that this man has created 53 thousand jobs... and when I looked at the Political hacks in this inquiry whom not one, NOT ONE!!! has created a job...ever. My mind has changed some. I also loved the fact it was a skinny tall woman - Murdocks young wife -who was quicker off her feet than our useless police when the idiot with the foam pie made an appearance. The police response was typical. That will be the health and safety training kicking in...do nothing and assess the situation, maybe await instructions from superior before any action... useless!

    Discussion with Will Self et al was rather very good.

    Now that this ain't gonna be the fascists lefts hope of a circus in destroying Murdoch - something the BBC was really hopefull for as well..can we now move on to some real news please...stop salivating BBC..its not pleasant and your desire for a proper kicking which didn't come only highlights your self hating leftyness. Move on quick or this will come back to haunt you...especially Gavin and his leftyness..he's shown too much of it lately.

  • Comment number 34.

    Can't suggest nowt about Keith Vaz on here..

    well heres one the BBC made earlier:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/1809146.stm

  • Comment number 35.

    rofl@#30&#32: i offer this suitably adjusted paragraph, from the monologue on ignorance:

    "Consider something that all we flat-earthers think we know: the earth is (approximately) round. This is as true as astronomical facts get, particularly because we have sent artificial satellites into orbit and seen that our planet is indeed roundish, and flat. Most of us (except for a lunatic fringe of spherical-earthers) also believe this to be the case."

    ..corrected to make internal consistency! Although actually, despite that amusing error of hubris, - and wondering why he made the very loose connection to Plato, i do very much agree with the article's conclusions.


    "At 22:56 19th Jul 2011, brossen99 wrote:
    The whole eco-CO2 protest thing was a " Corporate Nazi " inspired Labour government propaganda stunt ( sponsored by plod ) to make the 2008 Climate Change Act look popular !"

    rubbish - it was a long planned move by the bankers to justify higher returns on their investments in energy production, and the policeman was ACTUALLY a quadruple agent working also for Russia Today, and the Chinese Tourist Agency, alongside being an undercover cop, *and* a keen left-handed, orchestra-level violinist who collects stamps in his spare time ( - and we all know what THAT means!!! :o ). He was also, of course, pretending to be an eco-warrior, and it was the psychedelic drugs these people constantly forced on him, along with the naked rituals in the woods, that caused him to 'Go Native', and break his solemn duty to his paymasters RT to oppose all forms of sustainable, renewable energy in the UK.

    the Murdoch Govt was also monitoring the situation, and have allegedly driven the Chinese Tourist Agency Official underground, for sabotaging the Russian operation they had given so much help to. HOWEVER, the case *really* collapsed because the North Koreans had been reading this blog, and believed from your own words that the best way to destroy the UK's economy was through investment in renewables, therefore it had kidnapped the judge and replaced him with a Samsung robot, programmed to quash the case.

    and the plan succeeded!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    dude, you don't know the half of it, you really don't!! :(

  • Comment number 36.

    #28: yeah, AVPP is a much underrated gem, similar in quality in many ways to Yes Minister, but quite a lot darker in note. It was a recent find for me again. :)


    my personal experience is that modern classical is quite often more appreciated:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqWr4X58tfM

    i saw these guys live in a performance, and virtually every kid, including many teenagers who would normally be called "problem", sat in awed silence until the end of the set.

    and then the magic of music can be as in the film "I am Dina", a film which surely amply demonstrates the meagreness of regarding all childhood ails and traumas as "mental health issues fixable through enforced pharmacology".

    i think, in a way, it is that "meagreness" that generally gets me about current society, the easy dismissal of the rights of the individual, and the more-often-than-not self serving missives that come top-down.

    "rot at the core spreads outwards", and as we have all seen, (unless we are complete hermits), parts of the core of the UK have become very rotten indeed.

    banks need reform - so the NHS is opened to privatisation.
    our soldiers are still dying in Afghanistan with little progress in sight - so Libya is attacked as well.
    there are too many British in prisons, so the Govt ...privatises prisons, and awards new contracts only to profit-taking companies. And puts penalties up, to increase the prison population.
    new investment is needed for renewables for the UK - the Govt hands money to foreign companies to build nukes.

    and pupils are bored with a badly designed, over-bureaucratic, under-funded education - so the Govt blames and imprisons parents of skiving kids, and ...privatises schools.


    its all of a muchness, and pretty damned depressing. Granted, things are not as bad as in Syria, amongst others, but in this direction... :(

    well, we'll see.

  • Comment number 37.

    tonight's show had many highlights, the Will Self being unusually uncombative, and Lord Spencer showing almost superhumanly non-schadenfreudish restraint, both very much in their respective favours.

    it would be nice if the least result of this whole scandal was a change in mind-set that another country had: when the tabloid press printed salacious pictures of its monarchy, the Public point-blank refused to buy the edition.

    it was the consumer-led pressure that caused the change in behaviour of their tabloids.

    i'm * certainly* not suggesting such a mechanism is what the UK should rely upon, for the worst UK Press/Media are similar in effect to McDonalds food, - make of that what you will. But it does seem to me, and was touched on during the show, but consumers *do* have the final say on this. As well as, perhaps, voters.

  • Comment number 38.

    '27. At 22:20 19th Jul 2011, Sasha Clarkson :
    I find it difficult to believe the the police/security were so incompetent as to let Murdoch be physically attacked. Was it staged to gain him sympathy? "Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're NOT out to get you!"'


    A distinct possibility.

    The conspiracy, not the paranoia, of course.

    That seems reserved solely for those claiming stuff one does not agree with.

    So I have to agree the level of security competence seems astoundingly low. I think I'll steer clear of London next year... forthcoming cuts notwithstanding.

    Conspiracy-wise, maybe an investigation into UKUncut and those who have close links with them? Or would that be the wrong kind of link on the line (speed dial wise)? No suggestion of impropriety, of course, but we seem in an era Sen. McCarthy would be proud of, where merely knowing a person can be spun up into all sorts of inferences that are a bit shy on substance. If wrong doing is proven... whole other matter, but the number of 'sources say' posts from top 'reporters' is beyond credibility. Especially then used as 'what if' bases on what 'appears to be' for 'debate'.

  • Comment number 39.

    On the nobility of resignation, it does seem a fickle thing.

    And often reminds me of actual falling on swords back in the day.

    If you truly foul up, then seppuku away and buy atonement. But if it becomes the norm, and merely being accused by scandal automatically leads to positions being considered, it strikes me that the leadership is more concerned with the perceptions of their final legacy than any other achievements (and media with ratings-laden 'scalps'). When the entire officer class has done 'the decent thing' after a fog of war first battle skirmish that turned out poorly, the outcome of the war for those back home seems poorly served.

    Of course, Stalin had a different approach that also seems analogous, with a top down topping policy to keep him looking sweet. Again, hardly serving the motherland much.

    I have some sympathy for those running large entities across many briefs not knowing the day to day nitty-gritty of what's going on (though the Murdochs and Ms. Brooks seemed very 'above' a heck of a lot - their call business wise; for proven evidence on criminality otherwise).

    But in an era where so much care is needed when what is wished for, if you release the mustard gas you can hardly complain if the wind changes and your own eyes start to water.

    So once those truly complicit (Dave 'n all) have reaped just desserts (hopefully based on actual guilt), I look forward to previous political leaders (and their party reps) looking at who else was in whose pocket, or steering what (Mr. Campbell or Prescott not called back last night), or other 'leaders' being asked daily if they are going to resign over outbreaks of dubious institutional practice across their own empires.

    So, the circus rolls on (with clowns), but what about the bread? Any chance of getting back to other stuff that affects the country?

  • Comment number 40.

    LEST WE FORGET (#39)

    But Junkk! If I try to attend to your final plea, the blog-posters groan: "Oh good grief, he his repeating himself again." But not one of them proves my primary assertion wrong, or supports it.

    For the avoidance of doubt: WESTMINSTER IS DEDICATED TO POLITICS - NOT STATE MANAGEMENT. Further: since May 2010, we have had an illegitimate government, as election law was broken through a False Instrument (I have the document) which applied UNDUE INFLUENCE to voters.

    Westminster will not engage; media will not engage; NN blog-posters will not engage.

    In times of universal indifference, concern is an act of madness.

    That's all folks.

  • Comment number 41.

    'WHEN DAVE HIRED ANDY' - I AM PUZZLED AGAIN

    By Occam's Razor (or even a blunt fruit knife) is not the most likely reason Dave hired Andy, because word 'came down' that he should?

    Dave's shrill repetition of 'I gave him a second chance' (after he had, apparently done nothing wrong) rang hollow from first outing.

    We know the triple depths to which Dave has stooped, since his ascension, the move to quadruple is but a single step.

    In passing: Nick is still a Buddha at PMQs. "NO CONNECTION WITH THE FIRM NEXT DOOR."

    DISMANTLE WESTMINSTER - PUT BRITAIN INTO (non-EU) ADMINISTRATION

  • Comment number 42.

    Dear Newsnight, please have something else apart from/as well as the Murdoch story today. The following is of the most concern to me, though the BBC link seems more like an annotated government press release than a story.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-14205603
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/jul/19/nhs-services-open-to-competition

    This story is also very important:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14203422

    HMG obviously doesn't care about tax evasion or avoidance via the small print. No surprise in dodger Osborne's case of course.

    http://www.38degrees.org.uk/page/s/osborne-pay-your-taxes

  • Comment number 43.

    As a change from the endless Murdoch scam....

    ....worry a bit more about this..... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2016459/Population-hit-7bn-end-October-babies-born-second.html ..... far more important!....... but then

    "Demographers say the average couple needs to have 2.1 children to keep the population steady. In Western Europe, that number had dropped to 1.4 by the late 1990s."

    .....we'll be ok, our birthrate was recently announced at 2 children, so we'll keep up.... we might even become more overcrowded and starving eventually...... or depressed.... http://www.kentnews.co.uk/news/depression_on_the_increase_throughout_kent_1_960599

  • Comment number 44.

  • Comment number 45.

    '42. At 09:45 20th Jul 2011, Sasha Clarkson wrote:
    Dear Newsnight, please have something else apart from/as well as the Murdoch story today.


    Have to agree, and suspect we may find we get what we wish for... because, ello, ello, ello, what 'av we 'ere, all of a sudden...

    'Was it staged to gain him sympathy?

    Maybe get Newsnight to investigate the possible conspiracy?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/9383598.stm

    Just a minute (literally)... a familiar face crops up.

    Reporting the news, being the news... creating the news?

    And, of course, when necessary, staying schtum.

    Questions could be asked.

  • Comment number 46.

    @35 You spotted the connection ;-D and //:=0

    Fanaticism is people believing with absolute certainty what they can't possibly "know". You get it all the time on Fox. I'd really like a T shirt though. I might print an iron-on addendum for the back: "The Turtle Moves".

    http://www.lspace.org/art/fan-art/discworld.html

    @36 This performance had me buzzing!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1zs4PPk5kg

  • Comment number 47.

    OSBORNE IS JUST ANOTHER PIMPLE ON THE WESTMINSTER ABSCESS (#42 link 3)

    Here I go again.

    Picking at a symptom will not cure the sickness: THE WESTMINSTER ETHOS.

    Westminster is a self-serving bunch of game-players. Governance (state management) is incidental - even accidental. A string of accidents.

    USUAL END STUFF.

  • Comment number 48.

    Kudos mods here.

    I post the Newsnight URL from my 45. on one of those 400-char 'political blogs' currently still open, and invite comment, and I get this (within minutes):

    Unfortunately we've had to remove the content below because it contravened one of our House Rules.

    Your comment was considered to have broken the following House Rule:

    "We reserve the right to fail comments which...
    Break the law or condone or encourage unlawful activity. This includes breach of copyright, defamation and contempt of court."


    When a BBC blog won't accept a BBC blog URL, the world is an odd place.


  • Comment number 49.

    "WE'LL BE OK" (#43)

    Hi Lizzy. I take it your 'we' includes 'all kinds of dairy produce' rather than traditional English Cheddar?

    When was the last time a state had a deliberate policy of reproduction by a selected minority? How did that go . . .

    In passing: it's great we can choose, regarding so much medical intervention. Still can't choose to die, of course. That needs a judge.

    THIS IS THE AGE OF PERVERSITY (ergo: Cameron is the ideal CHOICE for leader.)

  • Comment number 50.

  • Comment number 51.

    News ?

    The Euro is having all kinds of probs (economic and political) and yet no discussion on that.
    One is left wondering why the UK media didn't spot our own economic problems rolling towards us a few years ago and am left asking could it happen again.

    Cameron ?

    There is only one political threat to his premiership that I can see and that is if he does not keep the UK as far away from the any Euro fix or fallout as possible, but sadly within the treaty obligations he inherited.

    The people of this nation would not take kindly to receiving Greek Gifts of debt from a currency for which they do not belong.

    Media Story

    I hope Cameron announces a full competition commission investigation into the whole of the UK media today, lets get this sorted once and for all.

    As for the committee hearing on Tuesday , it did not really do anything for me. I would prefer the Police and judicial enquiry to do the investigations relating to any alleged wrongdoings.

    The shaving foam pie incident, does it not shows how lax the security must have been ?
    Not the greatest of showcase for our Parliament was it.
    Mrs Murdoch was great though, I would protect my family members with equal determination against such an unknown attacker.
    Oh and I hear this morning that the Labour Party has suspended one from its membership ?

    Additional Comment ..
    Without some of the Murdoch press joining the Maastricht treaty rebels campaign back in the 1990s and the Save the Pound Campaign , we may well have found ourselves in the economic straitjacket of the Strong Euro Zone. So the Murdoch press has done some good over the years, so I think credit where credit is due and criticism where its proven due.

  • Comment number 52.

    #43 ecolizzy wrote:

    ".....we'll be ok, our birthrate was recently announced at 2 children, so we'll keep up.... we might even become more overcrowded and starving eventually...... or depressed...."

    Who are the we in that statement? And remember, this is an averaged value.

    Certain groups within the UK have TFR's that are consistent with the rest of Europe i.e. below replacement level. This means that certain other groups have very high TFR's. Who are these groups, where have they come from and where do they mainly live in the UK? And more importantly what are their group cognitive abilities? TFR's correlate very strongly with cognitive ability btw.

    Certain groups are experiencing dysgenesis in their own lands.

    It's all cleverly engineered to make nearly everyone depressed except for a chosen few who tend to do rather well during times of recession/depression.

  • Comment number 53.

    Look at what happened to the suicide rates amongst these peoples after they let the anti-statist/free-marketeers let rip on their economy.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/jul/09/russia.nickpatonwalsh

  • Comment number 54.

    @48 I absolutely agree Junkk - I hope you appeal? "For the triumph of evil etc....."

    @51 Steve. Remember that people can be right for the wrong reasons. If Murdoch had considered that the Euro was in Britain's interest, but not in the interests of his US based business empire, how would his papers have campaigned? A long spoon is needed in any dealings with him.

    Of course, the worst thing of all is to be wrong for the wrong reasons, as Murdoch was on Iraq:

    http://yournewreality.blogspot.com/2007/11/hey-rupert-what-happened-to-all-those.html

    If Murdoch had been a factor in the early '60s, we may well have found ourselves embroiled in Vietnam too!

  • Comment number 55.


    REAL scandal MPs ignore: As Murdoch grilling turns into farce, bankers get £14bn bonuses and IMF warns of euro meltdown

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2016645/Debt-crisis-As-Rupert-Murdoch-grilling-turns-farce-bankers-14bn-bonuses.html


    Just when are people going to wake up to what has been perpetrated in the UK over the last 40 years by a very clever group of anarchists?

  • Comment number 56.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 57.

    #42: when the 'Chancellor' is avoiding tax himself...

    words fail.

    i was disappointed to hear Jon Snow on NN a couple of nights ago opining that "everyone agrees cuts are essential", although i never watch CH4 news (due to work schedule), i realised that if the presenter can be so openly biassed in the economic debate, it was unlikely the rest of the show was worth much. Thankfully, the BBC flagship NN is still holding out for an equitable future plan. Whilst much CAN be cut from the national budget (pork-barrelling projects such as "Academies", and investments in WMD and aircraft carriers Fx), of far more importance is tax-avoidance. As UKUncut point out, absolutely ESSENTIAL public services are being slashed to ribbons, whilst kkkorporates and corrupt politicians sneer at efforts to make them pay their share.

    people "voted for this"?? Au contraire, the majority of people in this country voted AGAINST the cuts program, but with the rigged electoral system, were forced to choose between 3 parties who ALL argued that kkkorporates should pay LESS tax, and services should be slashed. The only Party that argued that tax-avoidance should be addressed - the Greens - were deliberately locked out of the 'Leaders Debates'.

    this is nothing but a sham-democracy, and the overt corruption and extreme political views of Chancellor Osborne make that abundantly clear.


    #43 lizzy: people tend to have more kids when they are poor, for a huge variety of reasons. One thing these reports rarely touch on - the energy/resource demands per capita of those countries where population growth is fastest is usually the lowest - there can be born 50 (? top of the head number) Africans to every American based upon energy/resources usage, for instance.

    as for "food shortages", they are based upon continued use of monoculture, and vast "meat" production (think 'Matrix'), as well as a distribution pattern enormously skewed away from a Free market to Global-KKKorporate monopolies. Bear this in mind: even whilst we are constantly being informed that there is not enough food for all, we are also seeing a ballooning in obesity across the 'developed' world.

    the famines have another, although related, reason altogether, and are as literally 'man-made' as the obesity epidemic. I'm sick to say it, but the current famines in the Horn of Africa are a direct result of the foreign policies of GWB (yes, really!!), who supported (ordered?) the Ethiopian dictatorship to invade and destroy the nascent Govt in Somalia - because it was Muslim. The vast sums then spent on arms, FROM WESTERN GOVTS, took money away from what ANY democratic Govt would have done - store food for bad times. As well as destroy the semblance of stability in the neighbouring countries. This famine is man-made.

    not that policies like this helped:
    http://www.ethiopianreview.com/content/11418

    corruption and inhumanity destroy everything they touch - and the Bush Regime was nothing if not corrupt and inhuman.

    when future historians look back at the Bush period, they will probably add up the unnecessary deaths in the 10s of millions.

    but by all that's HOLY, those people should receive as much help as we can give them, common Humanity demands it of us.


    the numbers of normal people are not YET an insurmountable problem - and do not have to become so - but it requires a greater nobility, a greater awareness, a greater HUMANITY than Humanity has so far largely shown*, to avoid these future crises.

    *we need Democracy, to make Govts work in OUR favour and not the powerful. Most people are wonderful, compassionate people who truly CARE about the survival, and quality of life of other people. Most people also do not avoid paying £100s of thousands in tax every year.

    who knows, there might be a link there?


    #44: ♥
    one of the first AJ recent videos that actually indicate he's beginning to 'get it'!! :o

    is he following this blog??

    #45: ♥

    -well spotted btw!! (or did you read it somewhere??)


    #46: goosebumps!! :o


    #48: they also wouldn't allow me to post a youtube clip of a former NN show. It is indeed a strange system, but i can almost understand it when it is from another web-site, but when its their own... O.o

  • Comment number 58.

    Please can NN investigate Andy Coulson's ongoing relationships with NI people during his time in No 10 to establish assess his compliance with the requirements in working for the government to ensure the security of confidential government information in his possession, in line with the civil Service Code and the law as it applies?

    IMHO there is a line between communicating government business with the media and what has come to be called "leaks" - given the questions about Mr Coulson's actions @ NOTW, it seems to me to be quite proper to examine his work @ No10.

  • Comment number 59.


    Guest Post: Iran Opens Oil Bourse - Harbinger Of Trouble For New York And London?
    http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest-post-iran-opens-oil-bourse-harbinger-trouble-new-york-and-london

    “Iran’s sly weapon against the Great Satan’s currency? An oil bourse on Kish Island in the Persian Gulf, which has now begun selling high-grade Iranian crude oil.”

  • Comment number 60.

    '54. At 11:59 20th Jul 2011, Sasha Clarkson wrote:
    @48 I absolutely agree Junkk - I hope you appeal? "For the triumph of evil etc....."


    Tx. I have/did.

    Near instant reply.

    Your post was removed as the comment you quoted was considered
    potentially libellous.

    You should find that it has now also been removed.

    Thank you for bringing it to our attention.



    So... the 'problem' was the post they had been fine with for several hours (and I quoted to avoid being modded for being O/T - and seems OK here), but they hadn't noticed until I 'brought it to their attention', when mine was 'noticed' in a heart beat and removed 'just in case'. Potentially.

    Yeah, right.

    I think the broader scope of media plurality needs kicking in sooner rather than later.

    The precedent being set here beggars belief.

    An entire MSM obsession that seems only to exist on rumour and allusion.

    Yet the minute things look iffy with some feedback on pots and kettles, they lawyer up?

    Taking out a legitimate critique in the guise of erasing the actual thing they'd posted that was being critiqued?

    A few other media 'in the frame' might fancy trying that logic.

  • Comment number 61.


    Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad says the Islamic Republic will continue resisting its arrogant enemies

    http://www.presstv.com/detail/189773.html

    'He stressed that Iran has never thought of an attack on other countries, but
    warned if any superpower launched an offensive against the country, the Iranian nation would “cut off its hands,” reminding that the Islamic Republic is globally known as the “biggest military might” in the region.

    Ahmadinejad said arrogant powers were trampling on humanity “in order to achieve their own interests.”

    He emphasized that they have a covetous eye on oil, capacities and the enviable positions held by other countries, but will forsake them upon obtaining their own interests.'

  • Comment number 62.

    #52: museV: "teenage pregnancies", "council house mums", remember THOSE scare stories? Mainly by middle-class reporters worried/moaning that "poor white trash" are having more kids than "educated middle class professionals" - ie them.

    and then it became Muslims. Always "the Other are having more children", just "the Other" changes definition depending on the prejudices of the writer/orders from above.

    in actual fact, as i said above, pregnancy rates are strongly correlated to income/wealth, and for quite obvious reasons. Good schools, and good jobs, and birth-rates drop. So don't worry, after 5 years of this Condemn(ed) Govt, and the UK will already be looking at population increases across the board. Give them 2 full terms, and we'll probably be able to give Ethiopia a good run for its money.


    #53 mv: "Look at what happened to the suicide rates amongst these peoples after they let the anti-statist/free-marketeers let rip on their economy."

    umm, no. Free markets require regulation, they don't turn into deregulated Mafia cultures. (Look at the UK's Banking Sector, and remember what caused the problems - not Free Market regulation, but KKKorporate-mafia deregulation, remember?). Just because Eastern Europe was flooded with cheap-and-nasty 'TheEconomist' style crooks, who *CLAIMED* to be "Free Market" (ring bells?), does NOT mean they enacted Free Market policies.

    in fact, they lied.

    I know, i know, shocking, isn't it? Fancy being lied to by people who desire power and wealth!!! Whodathunkit?? :o


    #54 link, sasha: actually, on that murdoch may well have been telling something close to what he expected to be the truth.

    http://www.gregpalast.com/opec-and-the-economic-conquest-of-iraqrnwhy-iraq-still-sells-its-oil-a-la-cartelrntwilight-of-the-neocon-gods/

    as you have read from this link however, that doesn't exactly leave him smelling of roses. One little thing not mentioned - over 3 million Iraqis have died, and the entire society virtually completely destroyed. To quote Madeline Albright, presumably "it was a price worth paying". Again!

    how much money would YOU demand to support/organise the mass slaughter of 3,000,000 people or more? The corruption of GW2 has run into the $Tns.

    one or two lone whistleblowers may seem like small-fry in comparison?

    :((

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  • Comment number 63.

    CAMERON'S TWO-SIDED TRIANGLE THEOREM

    “The culpability of the unmentioned side, is equal to, and cancelled by, the sum of culpabilities of the other two sides - which approximates to infinity.”

    Nuff sed.

    FOR POLICE AND MEDIA EVIL TO TRIUMPH, ALL THAT IS REQUIRED IS A WESTMINSTER ETHOS.

  • Comment number 64.

    "ALWAYS THE OTHER" (#62)

    'Trash' are lucky they don't live in a foreign land. If they did, we could legitimately bomb them.

    IT'S WHAT YOUR 'RIGHT' ARMS ARE FOR!

  • Comment number 65.

    IMPORTANT NOTICE

    When Dave is 'performing', Nick is no longer a Buddha; more like an abandoned pot plant in a slight breeze.

    Coalition?

    Nuff sed.

  • Comment number 66.

    #55 mV: bankers are anarchists? news to me. I'll look out for them at the Cowley club from now on. Presumably they are also the group Theresa May was talking about when she wanted to bring in draconian Police-State laws to "prevent disruption to the royal Wedding by anarchist groups". Those damn Bankers!!! :o

    the point is well made in the article however - BUT, the *reason* the banks have not had much in-depth investigative journalism/Govt intervention and REGULATION, is *perhaps* because much of the Press is owned by people who have made SERIOUS amounts of money through the financial deregulations?

    and of course, the BBC is somewhat controlled by the very politicians who set about those deregulations...

    the media are a vital element in a functioning democracy, what has been happening to News Corp is absolutely vital for the UK to, if not move forward, then at least not get any worse re: media coverage/Public information and debate about vital issues, esp the economy/cuts/banks.


    #59 mV: IT FINALLY HAPPENED!?!?! :o

    this has been talked about for years, and has a number of implications:

    1. Both China and Iran now regard the US as definitely loosing its grip,
    2. Israel is far more likely to attack.

    it was expected that such an oil bourse would dramatically weaken the $, which became the Global Reserve Currency when the US elite made the deal with the Saudi Royal Family in the 70s. This has allowed the US to use inflation as a means of Imperial tax! However, compared to the damage the Bush Regime did to the $, combined with the pretty terrible and pure-fantasy-economics pursued ever since of "printing money to devalue the debts", it is hard to see how such a bourse can actually make things worse than what the Americans have done themselves.

    its also a very risky step to take, when the ailing Hyperpower is still looking for a 'escape route'/diversion, i hope the Iranian-Chinese-Russian loose alliance is enough of a disincentive.

    and having such an alliance will also *hopefully* prevent the lunatic current Israeli leadership from doing something very very stupid - and suicidal - indeed. An illegal Military Occupation and sly ethnic cleansing is one thing, deliberately starting WW3 is quite another.


    #61 mV: "Ahmadinejad said arrogant powers were trampling on humanity “in order to achieve their own interests.” "

    anyone reminded of Cameron's speeches about "human rights" abroad, whilst he is deliberately destroying the Welfare State at home?

    such arrant hypocrisy, i wonder if they practice these speeches in front of mirrors to keep a straight face? Plus, anyone else notice that a few GWB mannerisms have crept into Cameron's body language??

    eerie. I wonder who he has been meeting with recently?

  • Comment number 67.

    missing link @ #62: jarvis cocker, 'running the world'. Posted before, but as valid as ever.

  • Comment number 68.

    CAMERON HYPOCRISY ONLY EXCEEDED BY HIS ARROGANCE (#66)

    Hey guys - Cameron is a product of Westminster - a SYMPTOM - ANOTHER ONE. You can't fix infection with plasters. All together now:

    What do we want? DISMANTLE WESTMINSTER!
    How do we do it? SPOLIPARTYGAMES!
    When do we need it? (Choose one: yesterday/now/when Murdoch is suited - 2 marks)

    WESTMINSTER CORRUPTION TENDS TO CURRUPT ABSOLUTELY.

    In passing: I hope Dave's EVERY WORD, at the Dispatch Box, was actually taken in; casual listeners easily are.

  • Comment number 69.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 70.

  • Comment number 71.

    BODY LANGUAGE AND DEAD MEN TALKING (#66) Redacted #69

    I had not noticed Mork; still reeling from the implosion of Blair; he has lost all belief in his self-belief - xxx xx xxxx xxx!

    Dave's oddity is at the lectern. He tends to lean to the right while appearing to be trying to see UNDERNEATH the printed words on the page. Now there's a thought - only as I typed, did the Freudian quality hit me.

    Typical, complex individual, xxxxxxx in transit. Which xxxxx xxxxx will be next?

    WE GOT OURSELVES ANOTHER ONE.

  • Comment number 72.

    #66 Mork wrote:

    "its also a very risky step to take, when the ailing Hyperpower is still looking for a 'escape route'/diversion, i hope the Iranian-Chinese-Russian loose alliance is enough of a disincentive."

    It's more than just a loose alliance.

    It's known as the Shaghai Cooperation Organisation, though I accept that Iran is just and 'observer state' at the moment.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Cooperation_Organisation

    However, China et al made this very clear statement to the US very recently...

    Russia, China, Iran issue veiled warning to U.S. to stay away from Central Asia
    http://www.uyghurnews.com/american/Read.asp?UighurNews=russia-china-iran-issue-veiled-warning-to-us-to-stay-away-from-central-asia&ItemID=QE-21720081520115444819759

  • Comment number 73.

    #66 Mork wrote:

    "#55 mV: bankers are anarchists? news to me. I'll look out for them at the Cowley club from now on. Presumably they are also the group Theresa May was talking about when she wanted to bring in draconian Police-State laws to "prevent disruption to the royal Wedding by anarchist groups". Those damn Bankers!!! :o"

    -----------------

    What if, (just as a conjecture mind, i.e. just as a counterfactual), there has, throughout history, been an internationally mobile band of troopers, 'half' of whom were merchant bankers and the other 'half' being anarchists?

    What if the job of the first group of shock-troppers was to cleverly subvert existing structures via populist appeals of freedom and improved efficiency etc, with the second ready to move in and take over the vacated posts? What if this was all the work of one nepotistic group of colonists? Wouldn't it show up in the statistics?

  • Comment number 74.

    #73: or, to put it in another way, what if the Families offspring went into various professions, but all had mainly similar aims? You can also add the naive wannabes who join the Masons (some groups, not all), the Public School 'Lodges', and most especially those perfectly-designed-for-extremist-infiltration-groups the so-called "Intelligence Communities". As well as kkkorporate colleges, and organisations such as News-Korp.

    however, "anarchists", like "democrats", can mean vastly different things unless defined rigorously. The principle you mention i fully accept (see above), but i have questions about the use of the wide-ranging term "anarchists" to describe them. Could you give one or two further identifying technical terms to narrow the search for your specific intended meaning?

    to be honest, i suspect what you are getting at is too limited in concept to fully cover what is happening, although equally an explanation without it also makes little sense.

    but it is hard to discuss until i know more specifically what you are referring to. Do you have any examples to hand, or was it just general digging?


    #73: the US Imperial Military Machine is beginning to falter, i hope that not only it reduces itself in a stable and progressive manner, but also that the behaviour of the US post 9/11 has NOT ignited an unavoidable arms race.

    God Help Us All, if it has.

    i suggest throwing GWB into a volcano to appease Him, just in case. Could it hurt?? ;D

 

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