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Tuesday 10 May 2011

Sarah McDermott | 10:36 UK time, Tuesday, 10 May 2011

Tomorrow marks the first anniversary since the UK coalition government came to power.

Tonight, we look at how the relationship between the Conservative and Liberal Democrats is faring and what the strategy is for both parties now, one year on. Plus we'll be joined by some political elders in debate.

Then we have a film from Finland where we've met Timo Soini, the leader of right-wing, anti-immigration, nationalist party the True Finns. Last month the party, which opposes EU bailouts, took nearly a fifth of votes in the country's general election.

And we will be examining the impact of ex-motorsports boss Max Mosley's failed bid in the European Court of Human Rights to force newspapers to warn people before exposing their private lives, and Mr Mosley will be joining us on the programme.


Comments

  • Comment number 1.

  • Comment number 2.

    'we'll be joined by some political elders in debate'

    Wot, no yoof wing? Wild guesses on a postcard who these 'you're on the guest list' dinosaurs might turn out to be. And how representative of anyone other than the rest of the Westminstattic era as faithfully served by the flat white drinking chatterati they hob nob with, almost to incestuous degrees.

    However, one is sure it will all be suitably 'progressive', even if representing not very many. While my experience of 'debate' these days is a lot of folk huffing, puffing and coming up with stuff the chairperson doesn't know or doesn't care enough to correct when rampantly tribal to the point of being essentially worthless.

  • Comment number 3.

    ... OK, scratch 'progressive' (what constitutes a minority vs. a majority seems to be still wide open, at least once you remove taking actual democratic voting as a measure. Maybe Polly T could be brought back to explain how that works. She seems to add so much at each outing). That seems to be under review.

    http://labour-uncut.co.uk/2011/05/10/how-many-times-must-we-lose-for-the-same-reason/

  • Comment number 4.

    A YEAR OF SELF-SERVING WESTMINSTER-STYLE HYPOCRISY

    Nuff sed.

  • Comment number 5.

    #1 - At 29mins you get the CIA - Assange / Wiki thing

    Who are you ?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKnzyLeU21s

  • Comment number 6.

    Just caught a debate on R4 that claims 10% of proposed 98bn cuts are being taken off the disabled.
    Shocking. I wish I could go on the march and lobby tomorrow.
    http://e-activist.com/ea-action/action?ea.client.id=1677&ea.campaign.id=9876&ea.tracking.id=d84d69fb

  • Comment number 7.

    BUSH TELEGRAPH? (#1 link2)

    Lewis Carroll was rubbish at writing surreal narrative. The CIA's: 'Obama's Adventures in Wakiland' (a land where even Ws are Ps) is far-and-away a better fantasy. I am not even going to START to justify that view.

    ALL these 'American' adventures/stunts/cons have the same signature written on the STORYBOARD. It is a high risk game, bringing that visceral thrill to its psychopathic players (the only kind they know). That the seeds of discovery are OVERTLY mixed-in with the primary illusion of A WAR AGAINST EVIL, is the spice of perversity, also dear to their bowels. Our Tony had the same MO. . .

    Thanks flicks3 - new to me.

  • Comment number 8.

    Well, if your able to march past parliment... unless of course your getting pushed about in a wheel chair.
    What is the definition of disability exactly. In the land of the Labour socialists Marxist party, having a cough or not having the energy to get out of bed in the afternoon would be qualification for some kinda state funded disability allowance.

  • Comment number 9.

    'Our correspondent Tim Whewell will explain Syria's strategic importance for us later tonight.'

    Ask asked by #1....define 'us' please.

  • Comment number 10.

    THE LAW IS SILENT WHERE POLITICS IS AT ITS MOST EVIL (#3 link)

    We all just witnessed the sheer lying hypocrisy of the 'NO' campaign. Then we had to suffer 'two-faces' Dave claiming no culpability and 'Teflon signature' Clegg, after being disgracefully smeared, refusing to censure Dave. THERE IS NO LAW COVERING REFERENDUM LIES.

    To believe that a change of governing-party is key to governing success, is to live within the Westminster lie. Were there a rule of law INSIDE WESTMINSTER (other than 'rules' they make to suit themselves) many of their practices would be pronounced criminal. e.g. The representation of The People Act does not permit coercion of voters by UNDUE INFLUENCE - inside Westminster the Whips are freely applied, outside any law. Westminster is an alien place, that attracts an alien species - who rule us.

    Nuff sed.

  • Comment number 11.

    "TOOK NEARLY A FIFTH OF THE VOTES"

    Fair enough, but that tells me nothing. Are they voting under the RD* system? If so, there is no way of knowing the relevance.

    *RD Rigged Democracy (like ours).

  • Comment number 12.

    Of course the eco-fascists ( perhaps particularly Millband ) in the Labour party want the Con-dems to proceed with deep carbon emission cuts as it will increase the number of people out of a job by the next general election and theoretically increase Labour's chances of being returned with an overall majority. The only problem is that the 2008 Climate Change Act could by then become the dead albatross hung around Milliband's neck, voters voters everywhere but not many for him ?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-13343055

  • Comment number 13.

    '9. At 13:45pm 10th May 2011, museV wrote:
    Ask asked by #1....define 'us' please.


    Shaping up as a passionate maj/min/ority of few boroughs in N. London, a couple of Uni towns and a few in Scotland (these being where the progressive young, poor things are. Or empathetic rich. Apparently).

    But in this case scratch the last couple as it probably just means the med... ratings industry. The rest of the country simply gets lumped in, as they are on the other end of the broadcast system and usually know what's best to think. If not vote.

    Meanwhile, back out middle of the East, just hope the best balconies have been snapped up.

  • Comment number 14.

    '12. At 15:49pm 10th May 2011, brossen99'

    Post-AV, with such roaring approval ratings already, it makes perfect sense for Labour and Mr. Huhne in particular to get into a spat over rather poorly-explained, hard to justify, over-foisted, target-driven concepts such as this.

    All ably abetted by the BBC's best 'analysts', with others elsewhere perhaps realising there IS such a thing as too much publicity. To the silent, the spoils?

    Keep it up, guys!

  • Comment number 15.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 16.

  • Comment number 17.

    Cripes, a bloke cites a BBC website URL and...whammo!

    Anyway, in the spirit of sharing, here's another sort of in keeping...

    http://order-order.com/2011/05/10/rumour-huhne-is-in-hiding/

    If Labour can just field one minister not up to their necks in hypocrisy (Conservatives are excluded as they seem to have understood the wisdom for now of saying nothing at the right moments) the night is theirs. Well..

    Carbon targets (and all those lovely bonuses some professions seem to attract) vs. coaltion splits. Support or put the boot in? Or, if spun well... both? This must be a very tricky choice in some right-on producer's minds at the 'mo.

    One is sure impartial professionalism will win through.

  • Comment number 18.

  • Comment number 19.

    WE GOT OURSELVES ANOTHER ONE!

    Just watched Nick Robinson trying to squeeze a scintilla of integrity out of Dissembling Dave - zilch.

    Is it me, or is Dave's mumsy 'talk-down' becoming even more emphatic?

    But Dave did offer one absolute truth - courtesy of a Freudian Slip: "We haven't got anything right" - priceless. For everything else, there is counterfeit coinage.

  • Comment number 20.

    '17. At 16:35pm 10th May 2011,
    (Conservatives are excluded as they seem to have understood the wisdom for now of saying nothing at the right moments)


    Well, it was boring while it lasted...:)

    'But Dave did offer one absolute truth - courtesy of a Freudian Slip: "We haven't got anything right" - priceless. '

    At least they are not trying to even claim this new lot have any talents, save as sources of incredulity.

  • Comment number 21.

    BASE CARBON LIFE-FORMS (#15)

    How very 'Westminster' that that horrible alien mentality just will not acknowledge the truth that is out there, namely: this planet goes hot faster than a menopausal woman - and it goes cold just as rapidly! Carbon-dioxide notwithstanding.

    With a lifetime of profitable science under my cranium, when I try to nudge my agricultural soldier MP, towards an unorthodox, yet science-based angle, he tells me HE has no time for ignorant ramblings.

    We are all in this together - but some are cosily in it, while others are just - in it.

    Small wonder, when ignorant MPs will not listen to business founder/owner/director constituents, that Dave let slip today: "We haven't got anything right".

  • Comment number 22.

    '18. At 16:38pm 10th May 2011, brossen99 wrote:
    And we are all being told that we need to significantly reduce our debts ?

    http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/green-living/households-offered-16310000-to-improve-energy-efficiency-2281615.html


    Lumme, I know my science, maths & economics is not on a par with a well-briefed PPE grad and ministerial rising star, and am all for sharing and indeed helping with the benefits of energy efficiency, but I am going to have to read that one over a few times to get my head around the numbers... and where they are going to be coming from.

  • Comment number 23.

    Times like this, I rather fear the weak form a long line in today's politics.

    As the bean counters expand at the expense of bean makers, all will eventually starve as you can't eat a met target or ticked box when the basics have been ignored.

    Though one does suppose the pampered classes might make for a tasty supplement if one can't escape them on the 'A' ark.

  • Comment number 24.

    Just so long as the guys in charge are overseen by savvy media types on top their respective topics...

    bbchealth - Finger length clue to nerve disease http://bbc.in/kmZri4

    May just be me, but I'd say that could have been mulled over and thought through a smidge more before rushing out.

  • Comment number 25.

    It's also Jeremy's birthday tomorrow too (May 11th)...

  • Comment number 26.

    It would appear that several of my posts containing the term " Corporate Nazi " from the recent past have suddenly been bounced and sent back to me. I can't help speculating that this is entirely due to one particular NN blog poster complaining as part of a personal campaign to silence me, and thus disenfranchise me from the political debate. Perhaps the only people who object to my use of the term Corporate Nazi is because it accurately describes their personal political position, and what has happened to the right to free speech, I have been using the term for several years now with no complaints ?

  • Comment number 27.

    QUITE SO (#24)

    Any disease that - typically - attacks after our die-by date, can frequently be down to nutrition. I have a lot of data but I'll spare you.

    I found the nutritional answers to all the 'incurable' conditions that (in 70s) my doc and the opthalmist, told me to live with.

    In passing: my take on the breast v bottle debate is counter-intuitive. By observation I would say that one of the most frequent indicators for 'behavioural problems' is HIGH CEREBRAL FUNCTIONALITY - the facility to drive one's self mad.

    In this AGE OF PERVERSITY where all the needs of the young are stripped away, the higher functionality said to be conferred by breast milk, would mediate for madness.

  • Comment number 28.

    “we have a film from Finland where we've met Timo Soini, the leader of right-wing, anti-immigration, nationalist party the True Finns. Last month the party, which opposes EU bailouts, took nearly a fifth of votes in the country's general election”

    Meanwhile the people of UK threw away a once-only chance to say ‘YES’ to change the stranglehold of the 2 big parties – Labour, which wanted mass immigration in order to abuse Tories with taunts of ‘racism’ and gain more ‘grateful’ voters; and Tories who wanted ever more ‘growth’ for their rich employer/retailer financier friends.

    NO to AV has been interpreted (and stated) as a vote for the status quo.

    From many blogs here and elsewhere the narrow focus was to give the LibDems and Nick specifically a kick in the ballots. Well, I’m on record as calling for radical action, and I’m glad to say that in Brighton we voted for the only non-conspiring party available and now have a Green MP and Green majority in the town hall. Not perfect but a step away from Tolerance, Apathy, Lethargy and Complacency. For the next 4 years they are sure to serve us better than the previous bunch, by which time I will have emigrated.

    Don’t ask what this government is doing to you. Ask instead what you did to get this government.

  • Comment number 29.

    SORELY MISSED (#28)

    A worthy statement, measured and well written IDG2. What is more I have the certainty that you WROTE IT YOURSELF.

    I am ever at a loss to understand why people are carried away by a suit spouting words that are not their own. To me, that is deceit of a high order. I have never done it, and never will. It is as foul as the rescindable signature (Clegg) or the photoshopped image (Cameron). Westminster’s denizens - far from being honourable - dishonour democracy with every syllable uttered. As for Dave - how better to lose face than to take on another BY CHOICE?

    These aspects of politics should be powerfully challenged, by some public service or other, until GUILT IS ACKNOWLEDGED. Anybody know one?

  • Comment number 30.

    After intermittently watching the coverage of the Energy Bill going through the HoC I can't help speculating that it is little more than the blueprint for a complex investment scam for the benefit of the Banks and big business. If anything the provisions are vague but its clear that it will be of no benefit whatsoever to small business. Unless you are replacing a 25 year old plus boiler it is highly unlikely that anyone is going to recoup their alleged energy cost saving during the period of the proposed loans. It would appear that unless the interest rate is capped at less than 3% any overall financial advantages to the energy consumer are less than clear.

    On the bright side the member for Bracknell did point out the glaring omission of any reference to the Severn Barrage, perhaps the only truly viable alternative energy project on the table. The whole bill is a rushed dogs dinner and Tim ( nice but dim ) was bleating how the government should not take any notice of Vince Cable for once talking common sense for the first time in ages. It should appease the eco-fascists sufficiently even if the government do not foolishly follow the 2008 Climate Change Act to the letter. A simple subsidised boiler scrap programme open to any tradesmen would have been far better, it remains to be seen just how many people are prepared to take out the proposed loans.

  • Comment number 31.

    More, even more severe winters to come in the next few years ?

    http://climaterealists.com/index.php?id=7664

  • Comment number 32.

    A JOLLY GREEN BONUS FOR SALMOND'S SCOTLAND? (#30)

    Scotland has experience in shipbuilding (and I presume propulsion) oil rigs, hydro, and now tidal and wave power. Spot the common factors.

    Nuclear is never going to be anything but a 'time bomb' (a bomb that does its damage over time) - if you are lucky. Danger is inherent. Wind is all very well, but climate would seem to be yielding more extremes in the near future - not amenable to energy extraction. Not until desperation arrives - then too late - will the Waders et al, have to move over for estuary schemes, so tidal stream energy looks like the wise man's choice. Predictable yield - unvarying while the moon stays up. (If it doesn't, electricity will be the last thing on our minds.)

    Go for tidal Alex - sell it dear to the dumb southerners.

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  • Comment number 34.

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  • Comment number 35.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 36.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 37.

    ANY ORGANISATION THAT NEEDS A LAW TO PROTECT ITS GOOD NAME, HASN'T ONE

    I hope someone will set up a website where we can all sign up to 'seditious libel' as a group-act of millions. There will be no need for a referendum then.

    If Rompuy is presiding over this, then Farrage was spot on.

  • Comment number 38.

    I was keeping up until the greek haircut section. Paul should go back to the chalk board -Glenn Beck style.
    I've a bolt hole in Lithuania but maybe I should try Finland, sounds like a great place.

    Give the Greeks nothing by the way...nothing!

  • Comment number 39.

  • Comment number 40.

    #28

    Do you (honestly and) really believe that AV would have made a jot of difference to the 'dimocratic' system that we currently have?

    One word answer please.


    BTW...the BNP were against AV!


    addendum...

    Please name any non libertarian parties in the UK

  • Comment number 41.

    Loved Jeremy's debate on the Coalition with Hodge/Howard/Steele tonight and even more, the Max Mosely interview on the right to privacy - and good luck to him on his fight. Even if a paper is sued, the amount of compensation awarded is nothing compared to the profit made by the papers in sales :(

  • Comment number 42.

    "COALITION FORMED TO DO BEST FOR COUNTRY" PULL THE OTHER ONE Mr HOWARD

    Dave went that route to be PM, with a view to future power stints, and Nick saw it as 'good as it gets', if only for a few years. They are like a WWII lifeboat in high seas, with German and English survivors in it. Sure – their joint first priority is survival, but just wait till the more brutal group sees a chance to take control of the boat.

  • Comment number 43.

    SO THE GREEK GOVERNMENT LIED - JEREMY SAID SO

    After being referred above @36, I make no comment about lying governments.

  • Comment number 44.

    1. Was/is JadedJean the equivalent to the East as was/is Ai Weiwei considered by the West?

    (not counting the 'razz-a-ma-tazz' that one is afforded over the other on the global scene)

    2. What is Ai Weiwei's most celebrated 'piece of work' and why was it so celebrated?

    Discuss...

  • Comment number 45.

    TRAFFIC POLICE TO COLLECT FINES?

    Why not just officially inform the offender's insurance company of the occurrence?

  • Comment number 46.

    THE WRONG SIDE OF SANITY?

    America is getting weirder. Obama warned the world not to end up on the "Wrong Side of History". Now Hillary accuses some of '"Trying to Stop History".

    Dustbin? Loonybin?

  • Comment number 47.

    The piece on Greece was laughable . 'source JP Morgan' on one debt graphic, Ha ! Apart from the usual universal human qualities of delusion and cheating, the heart of the debt crisis - naked short selling of Greek govt bonds and fake rating agencies reports, the use of unregulated naked credit default swaps - the ability from nothing to make unlimited bets on a default so the more the bail-out the more the naked CDS's the more they (banks /hedge funds) will gain from an eventual default . And from where did CDS's come from? yep that's correct - JP Morgan. Its sick; very sick indeed. Couldn't stomach the rest and switched off mid way through 'the Greece piece' I haven't seen any high level politician on MSM questioned about the use of naked Credit Default Swaps. Did they mention CDS's in the rest of it ? I seriously doubt it. This is why Newsnight is going the way of the Raphus cucullatus .

    13 mins in you get the Greek story from Dr Tobras :- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q5Hn2Frx0o

  • Comment number 48.

    '45. At 07:29am 11th May 2011, barriesingleton wrote:
    TRAFFIC POLICE TO COLLECT FINES? '


    Just watching Mr. Hammond on SKY. As convincing as he and Mr. Darling were as a tag team on the Daily Politics.

    The national experience of the police 'judging' anything, especially on a guilty until proven innocent basis in that odd zone between making money and protecting the public, is not encouraging.

    That many of our law makers and law enforcers seem unclear on when a law is broken or not, yet making public ignorance no excuse in making us accountable, seems an odd discrepancy.

    Maybe best to try and get in the House asap. Seems to solve a lot.

  • Comment number 49.

    #40 museV wrote:
    "#28 Do you (honestly and) really believe that AV would have made a jot of difference to the 'dimocratic' system that we currently have?
    One word answer please.”

    Ultimately……(but as I don’t accept your gagging order)……..as the rigged ‘referendum’ itself proved the existing system flawed, favouring big parties with big donations, encouraging corruption and stifling choice and democracy.

    “BTW...the BNP were against AV!” So??

    Other smaller parties, and independents, vital for overcoming the party power lobbies, stand no chance and will disappear and voter apathy will continue.
    More electoral reforms are needed: limiting election funding, our ‘reforming chamber’ being packed out with governing party voters, and further referenda on PR and EU membership: all now pushed into the long graft of Westminster.


    “addendum...Please name any non libertarian parties in the UK”

    I don’t do naming of the parts, I’m satisfied that my city voted for minority candidates, breaking the mould that nationwide produced over 80% of all local councillors wearing a red or a blue rosette, and following instructions from Westminster.

  • Comment number 50.

    FREUD STILL STALKS THE COALITION

    Nick used, again, his reference to not standing so close to Dave "that we stand in each other's shadow". An odd choice - most people talk of standing on toes.

    I suspect Nick is well aware that Dave's shadow has a heavy black ECLIPSING quality, as opposed to the much greyer, more indistinct Cleggumbra. Fortunately for Nick, shadows (as the NO Campaign made manifest) tend to inhabit the lowlands . . . He should try to rise above.

  • Comment number 51.

    @37 Barrie - If you look at the Telegraph article again, it's ten years old, and the case dates back to 1995, so not in Rompuy's reign. About 2/3 of the article is spin and extrapolation. For example, this paragraph is pure hype: "THE European Court of Justice ruled yesterday that the European Union can lawfully suppress political criticism of its institutions and of leading figures, sweeping aside English Common Law and 50 years of European precedents on civil liberties."

    Seditious libel is/was an English common law criminal offence. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seditious_libel ) As far as I can see, this case has nothing to do with English Law, being an unfair dismissal case brought by Mr Connolly against the EU, which he lost. It was a matter of civil law, not even within the jurisdiction of the English courts.

    In the light of recent history, it may well be that at least some of Mr Connolly's criticisms of monetary union were justified. But this wasn't a matter of whistleblowing, to which I am very sympathetic. If you actually publish (and profit by) a book criticising your employer, should you really expect to keep your job?

    In any case, so far as I have been able to ascertain, Mr Connolly did not take his case to the Human Rights court. However, his subsequent career has flourished; first with Banque AIG and AIG Trading, and now with his own consulting firm.

    http://www.connollyglobal.com/

    I agree that the argument of the Spanish advocate, Damaso Ruiz-Jarabo Colomer, was outrageous and even bizarre. But the EU dropped it.

    This advocate, now deceased, was born in 1949 and was a product of highly Catholic Falangist Spain. I have always felt that the Roman church is inimical to democratic principles, at home and abroad, and I'm suspicious of its effect on the mindset of some of its adherents. However, as well as being vigilant in defence of our liberties, we have to try to live on good terms with each other, and argue, courteously, for what we believe in.

    The EU deserves much criticism, but let it be on the basis of facts. :-)

  • Comment number 52.

    "TRAFFIC POLICE TO COLLECT FINES? "

    The police state taken to the next level .

  • Comment number 53.

    Re free speech. Under no British law is there a right to libel or defame people. "Thou shalt not bear false witness" goes back for thousands of years.

    Smearing people by giving them blatantly false labels is a form of character assassination. It was a tactic commonly used by totalitarian groups during the 20th century. Those who copy their tactics should look in the mirror before attempting to smear others by association!

  • Comment number 54.

    Sasha 53:
    "smearing people..."
    You mean like when people question the merits of immigration, the hate filled lefties and the looney Liberals would throw the racist card at them...?

  • Comment number 55.

    I'LL GET ME COAT (#51)

    Point taken Sasha. I had my journalism filter turned off.

 

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