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Tuesday 19 April 2011

Sarah McDermott | 11:08 UK time, Tuesday, 19 April 2011

British military officers will be sent to Libya to advise rebels fighting Colonel Muammar Gaddafi's forces, the UK government has said. Peter Marshall will bring us the latest tonight.

Our political correspondent Iain Watson is in Scotland for us where campaigning is under way ahead of the 5 May poll. He's been meeting the current leader of the opposition there, Labour's Iain Gray, and then Jeremy will be joined by Scotland's First Minister, Alex Salmond.

Our Science editor Susan Watts has been speaking to people on both sides of the debate about gay men being allowed to donate blood. A total ban is being lifted because it was decided that the rule could be discriminatory and may breach equality legislation.

Yet, homosexuals who are or have recently been sexually active with other men will continue to be barred from giving blood.

And Paul Mason has been to meet the acclaimed film director Wim Wenders who talks about his latest 3D film about choreographer Pina Bausch.

Jeremy's presenting. Do join him at 2230 on BBC Two.


  • Comment number 1.

    YES! Another Jeremy v Alex Salmond classic in the pipeline :o)

  • Comment number 2.


    Might it be that - quite unconsciously - the blood transfusion service is trying to counterbalance the tidal wave of 'otherness' in soaps, entertainment, and art?

    After all, this is the Age of Fairness (not just perversity).

  • Comment number 3.

    My money is on Alex Salmon, he is a bit too canny for Jeremy....

  • Comment number 4.


    I shall abstain in the referendum BUT 'THEY' WILL NEITHER KNOW NOR CARE.

    I have just received my first NO leaflet. It is full of Davish knavishness - the trickery reaching a peak on the page headed 'The second or third best can win under AV'.

    Already aware that no one monitors political deceit, I checked Advertising Standards and found referendums Are outside their remit. Surprise.

    The forces of evil have even taken advice on SUBVERSION BY COLOUR, it seems, and come up with a mix of bile green and UKIP purple. Very Dave - very devious.

    The safe-from-censure promoter of this calumny is William Norton - nuff sed.

  • Comment number 5.

    Most of the comments recommending ‘NO’ to AV are based either on
    (i) Government propaganda eg “ we are told that"(barrie)….or what Churchill said eons ago;
    Yet we all agree that our masters are devious and manipulative;

    (ii) attempts at ‘what if AV been used last May elections’;
    Impossible, as it involves absolute guessing about what voters’ second and subsequent choice of candidates might have been; or

    (iii) Probable effect on the Liberal vote; generally assuming that we all chose Liberals as our second choice; why?

    If and when we really have a Big Society, we will have local forums of citizens examining and evaluating all these assumptions.

    Moreover, if we were half as organised as those plotting against us our local (Big Society) forums would issue guidelines, such as ‘put a certain ‘loser’ as your first choice and your real choice (e.g UKIP) as second choice, with other minor candidates as subsequent choices. Dont list the Big 3 at all.

    The AV system is a poor compromise for PR but it is all we have at this first referendum opportunity so why waste it by voting for the status quo, or by putting any of the Big 3 anywhere on our ballot papers?

    At the very least, we should ensure that there is a big surge in votes for minor and independant candidates.

    That would send a clear message that WE are not all Happy Easter Bunnies.

  • Comment number 6.

    5 addendum
    Barrie, this is about as close as you can get to having that 'none of the above' box on your ballot paper!

  • Comment number 7.

    The Economic System Completely Overtaking everything has made even more profit. Will this mean lower prices in the shops? Or higher salaries for those at the top? One has to wonder how long before we are all wearing armbands with the appropriate capital letter and attending rallies where we all praise the brand. What next? Are there any countries currently ‘for sale’ anywhere?

    Seems that the trend is that ‘luxury goods’ sales increase in times of financial problems(?) Yes, we really - are all in this ‘together’!

    Fifty pounds per week plus rice and laundry allowances. Good to hear that the ‘company’ is committed to their new staff being clean and fed. ( Can’t have them starving and unkempt, it reduces productivity.) One has to wonder whether some of the substantial cost savings will go toward high quality english language lessons? Perhaps the savings will also go toward lower call costs? One couldn’t possibly think that there would be an increase in senior management salaries or increased dividends, could one? And why is it cheaper, given the distance, for ‘them’ to make a call to us than it is for ‘us’ to make a call to them?

    Interestingly Mr E.D. got Deity Conmoron to admit that the waffle recently spouted on immigration is an “ambition”. This basically means that no-one can justifiably criticise ‘Call me Deity’ if he fails in this “national interest” ‘aspiration’. Perhaps if he really intends to ‘decimate’ the figures he should ask for some help. It’s pretty certain their would be plenty of offers from the public but probably not much, if any, from the Palace of Westminster. Too many votes at risk!

    Elect- Ed asks if Deity Conmoron - aka PR man - will tell us if he intends to cut ‘student numbers or HE budgets’ ...... Sorry! He asks “.... or ....”! Doh! (Progress Report - Must do much better!) Everybody with half a brain knows that the intent is to substantially cut both! Isn’t it part of the ‘ambition’ to cut immigration numbers? Is it part of the plan to keep the ‘elite’ small in number? Or is it part of the plan to get rid of all those academics that keep finding flaws in Conalition policy?

    Is the request by the organisation “Muslims against Crusades” to protest on the day of the Royal wedding an intentional oxymoron? And the EDL .... Doh! Someone tell them that not all publicity is good publicity!

    Links noted on here regarding media reports, comment, blogs et al on immigration ‘news’ often have extensive comments from the prols. (Not a scientific study but ....) It would appear that that the bulk of concern for the public leans toward ‘change’ and ‘numbers’ not religion or race. So how come many of those comments from the opposite view still shout ‘racist’, ‘Islamaphobia’ and yet expect to be taken seriously? Surely times have moved on?

    A representative sic states - in attempting to justify sic the ‘max’ fee - that a lot more support will be available to future students. Strange that one of the biggest complaints students appear to have is that they don’t get enough ‘support’ for the academic and study aspects of their uni years as it is! Can one buy shares in ‘waffle’? It’s a growth market!

    One assumes that it is now history due to ‘elf and safdee’ but .... Years ago there used to be a playground game called “Pirates”. Simply, one ‘gang’ occupied a ‘ship’ and another bunch tried to board. Lots of argee-bargee, pushin’n’shuvvin’, a few bruises and grazes and the occasional cut that needed a bit of TLC. Come the School Bell it all ended and every body went back to ‘normal life’. Thought .... Please can somebody ring the School Bell in Libya!

    HMG is considering getting rid of “Display by..”, “Sell by..” and “Use by..” dates .... Apart from considering just exactly whom that would benefit the most ( Retailers and manufacturers of antibiotics perhaps?) one has to ask ....

    Does that mean we are stuck with the “Political Panel’ forever?

  • Comment number 8.

    Why on earth is a gay man banned from giving blood which can save lives? How utterly pointless! Isn't ALL blood supposed to be screened first or was that just a myth?

  • Comment number 9.

    IDG2 (#5 & 6)

    Reasoned and reasonable - as ever - IDG2. But having read a link from yesterday, posted by museV #12

    and believing it to support my general stance that Westminster 'draws its own', they being of the 'Psychopathic Tendency' wing of society, I find anything short of 'radical' unlikely to succeed.

    If I add my assertion that (apart from the 'bottom spit', who keep police and prisons in work) we are ALL institutionalised to live within the lie - unknowing, then we have the mad leading the dumb. Add universal suffrage, and safe seats, to that and you have: Great Britain, exemplar of democracy and rule of law; a Colossus, lead by World Statesman Dave (he of the two faces and - de facto - forked tongue).

    Put like that it looks beyond retrieval - and I never got to the corrupto/bankrupt EU and USA!

  • Comment number 10.


    I read with interest JA. If the Politics Panel have half the nous they are supposed to have, their group-larger-intestine will leap up through their joint-neck and strangle their collective-brain, as an act of selfless kindness to the Newsynighty viewers.

    Great video-walls though. Pixels beat Paxman - will they get an award?

  • Comment number 11.

    The new Common Representation Campaign (CRC) - - supports the repeal of devolution and the introduction of a Common Representation Act (common recipricol powers, practice and procedure across all UK constituencies). Devolution is divisive (an electoral conflict in the ballot box and floor of the House of Commons), inequitable (why should an elector in Newcastle has less power in their vote than an elector in Swansea? They should not.) and expensive (60 AMs - Wales/108 MLA's - NI and 129 MSP's - Scotland -salaries, expenses, buildings, running costs etc..millions from the British taxpayer.

  • Comment number 12.

    Gordon on World Stage?

    Bankrupting the uk is not enough? PFI extortion not enough? The latest Private eye mentions 2 brilliant PFI schemes. One a hospital that cost £60 million to build but will cost the public £550m and another of £256m that will cost £1.6 billion.

    PFI of £210 billion is a mindset of public service at any price.

    given unemployment these schemes could have been done by them and thus provided training and skills projects. But hayekists believe the govt has no wisdom. So in one way they are proved right.

    Yes Gordon and Tony should be on the world stage as long as the words court are involved.

  • Comment number 13.


    Do you see the veil that is the con of the 'Big Society' trying to hide the 'Greed is Good' mantra that underlies the rigged-market (err I mean free-market!) and the libertarian ideology that has taken over Westminster?
    Both mantras are completely opposed when considering society as a whole. So it's just another cynical attempt to hide the fact that the greedy take full advantage of the altruistic. We're all in it together, but not as we think.

    The Cynical Psychology of Capitalism

    'When we apply this general perspective to capitalism's insistence that people are fundamentally selfish, the economic system comes out looking fatalistic, if not downright cynical. It assigns humanity to a low and easily attained level of moral, social, and emotional development and offers scant hope of collective improvement. Proponents of free enterprise argue that it is futile to attempt to alter our self-serving nature. Rather, the marketplace should organize itself based on the premise that everyone is out for her- or himself.'

    The corporate culture that emerges from such a structure regards greedy behavior as heroic and compassion as foolish. It aggressively opposes the moral, social, and emotional development necessary to move beyond radical self-interest.

    The AV vote is just a side show, just like the X-Factor.

  • Comment number 14.

  • Comment number 15.

    #9: "genetic psychopathology" - pseudo-science. Utter rot.

    There is not ONE human being on this planet that will never at some point harm others, nor is there ONE human being that will never help another.

    the balance in such questions is SOCIALISATION, not GENETICS. The better the schooling, home life and workplace, the better the individual responds and helps others.

    are these students "genetic psychopaths"? Don't be ridiculous. This is just more dark-age pre-scientific gibberish, far moreso than the AGW scientists, and with as much or more "vested interest" in it, mainly by behaviourists, and the global pharmaceutical companies - who like such "diseases", as it can be used to justify their experiments, and ultimately enforced medication of the Public.

    in fact, the way behaviourists treat 'subjects' in their experiments, is a perfect example of "psychopathology", yet none of them has the scientific honesty to realise this.

    as for #13: the mind boggles at the sheer level of ignorance even in the first couple of paragraphs.

    "Here I will focus on two of these: that people are primarily self-interested and that the acquisition of material wealth is the key to happiness. If these "insights" prove false or seriously incomplete, then capitalism unravels at the seams. "

    Cooperation can be seen as "self-interest". Strike one.
    "Capitalism" is essentially meaningless, unless it is rigorously defined. Most people use it as shorthand for "exploitation". Strike two.
    Materialism is not limited to "Capitalism" - in fact it is a core element of Marxism, High Modernism, and other 'Age of Enlightenment Philosophies'. Strike three.

    the author seems moral enough, just ignorant of medium-level political/economic science. If he had used the word "exploitation" instead of "capitalism" - especially as it is abundantly clear he has never actually read Adam Smith's own words:

    "Adam Smith uses the metaphor in Book IV, chapter II, paragraph IX of The Wealth of Nations, In the often misquoted and poorly understood paragraph quoted below Smith argues that a preference for the use of "domestic" industry over "foreign" industry to gain individual profit constitutes an "invisible" and benevolent hand which promotes the interests of the nation and society at large while at the same time enriching the individual. The individual may have a selfish motive but the use of domestic industry and labor enriches and promotes the interests of society as a whole.

    “ By preferring the support of domestic to that of foreign industry, he intends only his own security; and by directing that industry in such a manner as its produce may be of the greatest value, he intends only his own gain, and he is in this, as in many other cases, led by an invisible hand to promote an end which was no part of his intention. Nor is it always the worse for the society that it was not part of it. By pursuing his own interest he frequently promotes that of the society more effectually than when he really intends to promote it. I have never known much good done by those who affected to trade for the public good. It is an affectation, indeed, not very common among merchants, and very few words need be employed in dissuading them from it. ”
    - Adam Smith

    Milton Friedman, a Nobel Prize winner in economics, called Smith's Invisible Hand "the possibility of cooperation without coercion."[3]"

    in other words, if the author had written: "exploitation sucks", and went on to write about how KKKorporates are set up to exploit every drop of blood, every natural resource, then he would have made more sense. In fact, pure self-interest would lead people to share and cooperate, and not exploit each other. After all, do they want this to happen to them?? And the writer should at least have spent the few minutes to check what they were quoting.

    i have to say, American University education is no longer what it used to be. :/

    "In contrast, other American institutions have been more optimistic about the human condition. Consider the legal principle that all citizens are equal under the law. Of course, it is the rare individual who is without prejudice or bias. But the justice system is not organized on the assumption that people are fundamentally prejudiced and incapable of collective change. Rather, it is structured around the democratic ideal of equality. This is a "practical" ideal in that people are capable of becoming more egalitarian. The system is designed, therefore, to encourage human development.

    Historically, Americans have called on many of their institutions to promote individual and social advancement. It is exactly this kind of practical idealism that we need at the foundation of our economic institutions. "

    this was good though. :)

  • Comment number 16.


    I presume, Mr. Mason, you mean "visceral-nature"?

  • Comment number 17.

    :p "Are you living in a microclimate?" Jeremy asked Alex Salmond......where did he think the free tuition fees/free prescriptions etc were going to be funded from? Oh but the best was asking him what he thought of Gordon Brown joining the IMF :D Good discussion on the Libyan crisis with Baron et al.

    Excellent report by Susan on banning gay men from becoming blood donors, particularly (as pointed out) countries such as Japan had a 1 year ban and not a lifetime ban. My heart went out to Dij (?) Davies who wasn't allowed to donate blood to his mother, yet his brother was, because he was gay, and also the lady whose late husband was a haemophiliac and was banned for life from donating blood even though she tested negative to HIV etc. The ensuing studio debate with Jeremy and Tatchel & Franklin reflected the pointlessness of a lifetime ban, as the only "argument" Franklin could come up with was a possible increase in infection. Note the word possible.

  • Comment number 18.


    Reading you loud and clear Mork.

  • Comment number 19.

    Gold through $1500 Silver at $44 and still the msm do not see the importance of what is happening . Will you report it when silver goes through $100 and why it was held down so long or obey your globalist masters who are hell bent on social engineering to a reactionary nineteenth century agenda into feudal debt slavery? You're all pretty much just blabber mouth cut-outs to that end aren't you . I mean if you cant see the truth on university fee's you cant see to the end of your nose. I dont see any real challenge to what is really going on what so ever. People take to the streets and its all about 'kettling' and kids in black throwing stuff through windows, while you lot quietly think 'I'm alright jack' and passively read words presented via the brain washed belief of the BBC .

    A politicians job is so serious and important that they should not be allowed to have a future work life as 'a consultant' to be captured, they should be looked after within an institution separate from all powerful influences - like a monastery free to mix and understand the world but not to be captured by a future promise of wealth and prestige.

  • Comment number 20.

    #15 - 'psychopathology' I think what we eat and drink as well; see copper content its affect on behaviour and think of all the copper water pipes we have leading to our drinking water . Much to be said for a water filter.

  • Comment number 21.

    @19 - case in point - Brown at the IMF - everybody - crikey dont fall over laughing, talk about new world order, get him a water filter and quick - save in from himself. Mind you he would be at home with all the other delusional psycho banksters who haven't used a water filter.

  • Comment number 22.

    The Wall Street psychosis of derivatives - a spiders web of delusions - made up stuff - non physical nukes that people cant see until they are jobless and homeless - is the new fascism

    How a bet on the future to the up or downside, success or destruction shared around like a crazed frog orgy ruined the world .

    BTW Arianna I dont like linking to your site and I hope the bloggers win in the action they take .

  • Comment number 23.

    PAX (#20)

    Well - panicking all the uninformed into stripping out their copper pies to flood the scrap market, is one ploy to adjust 'metals'. But I reckon moving to a hard water area (with passivated pipes) would have the same health effect flicks.

  • Comment number 24.


    No one wishing to MANAGE this country optimally, would allow the corrosive Westminster Ethos to subsume their aspiration. The inference is depressing; the consequences stark.


  • Comment number 25.

  • Comment number 26.

    This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.

  • Comment number 27.

    I see the Ministry of Truth are at it again. 2 legs good; 4 legs not good.
    Whats the criteia needed to becoma a BBC mod? be a good Marxist I suppose judging from the hoops one must jump through on here.. Is that how it is.
    Well Eric was in that room 101 eh, he should know.
    Anyhow. Arianna Huffington, like any good socialists whose made a bit of money, throws her principles down the stairs and gets thrown up $315 million.

    Diana Abbot did something similar.

  • Comment number 28.

    Mistress76uk - get some LED ones, shop around specialist lighting places for a good price and you can get fitting adapters for home use.

  • Comment number 29.


    The Neanderthal Times dated 'A lot - Spring - Aeon 1', has the above headline, regarding the animal-fat/moss-wick lamp.

    I suggest the 'low energy bulb' will have some catching up to do against the ravages of our lost connection with Nature's cycles, over many millennia.

  • Comment number 30.

    But analysts were divided about whether the price could go higher and are waiting to see if trading in Europe and the US continues the momentum seen in Asia.

    Jonathan Barratt, at Commodity Broking Services, said: "We often see a $20 rally after breaking a big number, then a pullback." No kidding brilliant analysis

    "We will see what Europe and United States do with this. $1,510 or $1,520 look possible, but prices are starting to look a little stretched up here."

    Typical MSM rubbish you know nothing, gold is targeting at least 3000 and silver 250 - 300 and that is conservative. Ive studied this for at least 10 years and read/listen to the best PM analysts - they all predicted the 2008 financial crash and were all ignored by MSM or even laughed at.

    #29 those LED's are available in daylight balanced but UV free so stick to sun light for your UVB D vitamin

  • Comment number 31.

    I have never given blood, but I have registered my DNA sample for stem cells donation, from which gay men are banned too. You can argue in the case of blood donation there is always a time lag between exposure to any virus and testing positive. If one person can’t donate, there is always someone else. However in the case of cancer patients, there is only a one in 10,000 chance of finding a match in a non-family member. It is a number sport, and stopping gay men from being a match is plain lunatic.

  • Comment number 32.

    When Musa Kussa defected to UK, I thought the government would offer him immunity thereby encouraging other top officials in Gaddafi’s regime to sell out their leader, and dissolve his control in a very sun tzu sort of fashion. Perhaps it was too under-handed for the electorate’s liking, but what’s the alternative? Maybe we should just accept that getting rid of a hard-headed dictator like Col Gaddafi isn`t going to be pretty. Something’s got to give; we cannot solve this stalemate by the US not involving in military action and/or president Obama dithering on like a bipolar. It’s either got to be military action or deals done behind closed doors.

  • Comment number 33.

    copper? What about the psychological effects of fluoride as well - combined with poverty.

    #32: i suspect Mussa Kussa came to do a deal, Hess style. Note he IS still free, and allowed to leave the country for trips to conferences. more going on than we are being told. As per usual.

  • Comment number 34.

    RIP Sarah Jane, you will be remembered, and missed. xxxx


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