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Friday 25 February 2011

Verity Murphy | 14:53 UK time, Friday, 25 February 2011

The UN human rights head Navi Pillay has said that reports from Libya indicate thousands may have been killed or injured as the government crackdown escalates "alarmingly".

Tonight, we will have the latest on what is happening there and Matt Prodger will look at how the United Nations Security Council and Nato - both of which have held emergency talks today - can respond.

Closer to home, Iain Watson will report on the meetings of the UK's National Security Council and Cobra emergency planning committee, and whether the recent upheaval in North Africa and the Middle East is prompting a government rethink on foreign policy.

Guests tonight include Douglas Hurd and Lord Owen.

And we have an interview with the last surviving relative of Anne Frank who knew her, her cousin Buddy Elias.

All that at 10.30pm with tonight's presenter Mishal Husain.


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  • Comment number 1.

    'thousands may have been killed or injured....
    ...... as the government crackdown escalates "alarmingly".

    One can see how these guys get the big bucks, to get from those figures to that qualifier.

    'Closer to home, Iain Watson will report on the meetings of the UK's National Security Council and Cobra emergency planning committee, and examine the shift in David Cameron's Middle East Policy.

    Reporting will be of value. However, on recent evidence, the same is not suggested of 'examination', in whatever quaint form decided upon at pre-production.

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    It is so glaringly simple - and obvious. Under the amoral Westminster Ethos (that so recently caught a banking cold) we are second in the world for KMD (Kill Maim Destroy) weaponry. Out of the profits, we self-aggrandisingly pay away 0.7% in aid. Bomb here - aid there; it's the Christian way. In short, we are not only hypocritical, we are venal and we are corrupt. And that is before Breakfast, before Lunch and before Tea. You would think that 'physically sick Dave' would be putting his own house in order, before prancing round the world, flogging lethal 'defence weapons' while dispensing home-SPUN righteousness.

    When oh when will we stop GETTING OURSELVES ALWAYS ANOTHER ONE and start facing up to our INCREDIBLE presence in the world? We are a disgrace; a mockery; a joke. We could be so much more, but just like the Libyans, the Egyptians, the Tunisians etc, we are under the thumb of Westminster and its spawn: a sequence of deluded, manipulative, exploitative DICTATORS.

    Way past weeping.

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    Some in our 'media' must be so proud.

    One's fervent hope is that others will not be tempted to join in on a bit of tribal distraction based on what seems a necessary bit of rule bending in the circumstances, but the fear must be that either a producer's iPhone is burning hot with the offer of a comment from a 'critic', or some idiot out there will be seduced with the offer of airtime to make a petty point as lives remain at stake.

    Let's see how far further the bar can be lowered.

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    Just in case anybody was considering voting Green as an alternative to the three mainstream parties its worth considering that they are prepared to delete any comment which does not strictly conform to their alleged ideology from their facebook site. It would appear that the Green Party falls down on the first hurdle of democracy ( Free Speech )!

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    Camels can look good in tartan (it's those high curves breaking up the light)... and perhaps what is needed is a 'middle east peace envoy' ... to intervene and bring peace and stability to the region?

    If 'you know who' and the 'peace envoy' can visit Libya again and give out plenty of hugs and kisses to Gaddaffi (again) then perhaps the murderous despot will agree to stop his murderous dictatorship and relinquish power peacefully.

    Worth a try as some are very conspicuous by their complete absence from the debate and general international activity and our TV screens are saturated with ... Douglas Alexander ... of all people ... can someone tell the BBC that we now have a Coalition govt?

    Having blood on one's hands is very costly ... to millions of ordinary poeple caught up in the mayhem.

  • Comment number 7.

    how the EU agonizes and dithers over getting rid of a dictator? given there is an easy excuse of humanitarianism for the thousands injured?

  • Comment number 8.

    5 the matrix.

    you clearly need re education through work ;)

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    Funny you should propose sending two of our madmen to hug one of theirs. It has nearly done-in my visualising cortex. Those three faces, in close proximity: the far-seeing stare, the myopic glower and the 'lights-on-but-nobody-home' terminator. These, and many more like them, around the world, rise inexorably to power, DRIVEN BY ABERRANT JUVENILE NEED.

    And billions still believe there is A GOD!

  • Comment number 10.

    # 8 cycling person

    I don't understand computer shorthand for emocicans but I can assure you that I am in such a position at the moment that nobody can force me to work. That is not to say that I don't consider my writing " work " but then I percieve that I am actually doing what should happen with Conmorons " Big Society ".

    It would appear that the Green Party is just a vehicle to provide excuses to entice people to get themselves into easlaving debt with the Banks ( ConDems also on about loans for insulation )

  • Comment number 11.

    Further #10

    Now then Mr once bookhimdano it looks like your cherished Feed-In Tariff has been turned into a scam for the corporates to take productive farm land out of at least proper use. All that bleating about households and then it turns out lions share of the " subsidy " is going straight into the pockets of the stock market parasites, I just wonder how many individuals have actually got themselves enslaved to the bank on a loan for the household systems available.

  • Comment number 12.

    compare the difference in response - and reporting - between when Rwanda had a civil war, and the current crisis in Libya.

    of course, just like in the invasion of Iraq, an the constant threats against Iran, it would be ludicrous to imagine that the controllers of Western media are licking their lips at the thought of grabbing a share of Libyan oil wealth.

    but they will claim they "learned the lesson of Rwanda". They REALLY have no shame.

    its all about "freedom and democracy", y'all. Mustn't forget that.

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    Greens can't do anything about this when you theoretically need them, blown all their credibility on the Climate Scam ?

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    brossen relax. i was supporting your view of the green party with a green party authoritarian style joke. i too have been to so called free open sites where posts of facts are deleted in order to maintain the matrix of magic spin.

    as for the feed in tariff the government choose an incompetent way to do it to make sure it 1/ enriches their mates, 2/ fails.

    which is also why they chose the offshore wind farm option. the most expensive they could imagine. i suspect the MOD had sent some procurement officials over to help them sabotage it.

    as you may have forgotten i had to change id when the bbc upgraded the blog and none of the passwords worked. i never tried to hide it. i even made a post announcing the change.

  • Comment number 17.

    anyone see the programme on the king james bible? how did that bit of quality slip through the pig society filters? makes a change from the usual weak tea undercooked currant bun on the sofa religious broadcasting.

    anyway congrats to the people for jumping the barbed wire fence and making a home run.

  • Comment number 18.

    COLONEL Gaddafi secretly deposited 3 billion pounds ($4.8bn) with one of London's Mayfair private wealth managers last week as he sought to protect his family's fortunes.

    uk the home of the worlds blood money?

    how did he get 3 billion? did he have a savings plan taking it out of his wages?

  • Comment number 19.

    how 6 years can change a man or as our American chums a bad case of flip-flop.

    On the international scene, that means removing and replacing the regimes that harbor, train, and support terrorists. This job is being done....
    We have to wake up to the threat within our borders. Ignoring it any longer implies that the threat is so serious that there is nothing to be done. But there is something to be done, and we must do it. Because this is not the culmination or completion of the jihadist wars within the West. These are just sickening and hate-filled opening skirmishes.
    Mr. Murray... best-selling author and journalist ny sun 8/6/2005

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    £3 BILLION! - BUT HE'S ONLY COVERED FOR £85K X 10 say (#18)

    You don't suppose the obscenely rich can protect their money do you?

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    Then we can get Baroness W to sit on him.

    Did we all notice that Gaddafi had changed colour on the video wall? And the 'dynamic visuals' - wunderbar! That see-through ship was SO edgy and the fading Dave - well! Worth every penny of anyone's money, especially the poor.

    NewsyNighty: You've all done very well.

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    Looks as though we are joining the Swizz in a pacifist roll

    Are we actually getting rid of our forces?

  • Comment number 26.

    news@10: that Libyan General - the act that he claims al Megrahi was guilty, indicates the US is now supporting him. He toes the NEW Party line. More on Libya written later.

    royal wedding: i feel for what Kate is going through. It is surely difficult to become a super-star, especially for just getting married to someone. Hope she gets through all this alright. :)

    local trial: "anarchist cookbook". Its been around for over 20 years, and easily found on the internet by anyone who really wants it. That trial is stupid, probably to try to connect "Anarchism" and "Islamic terrahrism" in the Public's mind. I might charge the bloke with making money off idiots, but arresting someone for selling something that has been available freely to the Public since it was written at least 20 years ago is, well, moronic imho.

    looking at the last 100 years, it seems to me that virtually all, if not ALL terrorist attacks on the UK came because as a result of UK Govt decisions and actions that most of the Public would have found objectionable. Maintaining an Apartheid State in Northern Ireland. Invading Iraq.

    if he IS fined over this, i would be interested to learn just how MANY of these "purchases" of the CDs were actually by police, or other arms of the State. What is funny, is that i suspect most of them were, in one investigation or another. Poor guy. Even if he is an idiot for selling this stuff. :/

    that teacher who taught the rhyme - you silly B*gger!! I bet you are exactly the kind of teacher who is the absolute opposite of the 'feeling' behind the rhyme as well! That's why you are bemused at all this attention, and why there is much support for you from students, parents and staff. Hope you get through this ok. ;)

    saif is talking on the local 'propagandic' level, in a way trying to restore calm in the areas still under the Ghaddafis. This could be why his speeches seem 'odd' to our ears - who are being fed Western propaganda instead. Although much of the recent BBC journalism has been peerless, imho.

    could there be a federal solution to Libya? - the East cannot trust the Ghaddafi Govt, and with VERY VERY VERY good reason. But that eastern General seems to me to be now in discussion with the Americans. Can the Easterners trust these new 'elder statesman' either? If the Ghaddafis spend the next year directly working to improve the living standards and freedoms of Libya, wouldn't they do well in free elections? If they ended the nepotism and corruption, wouldn't they be more popular?

    is it not time for Ghaddafi to join in with the happiness and freedom of his fellow people, and show that he IS truly a 'man of the people'? Give the wealth and the freedom back please, muammar, and be free! :*

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    Do I think the handling of the Libyan evacuation was perfect, or even adequate?

    First, no. Other than that, not sure... doesn't look textbook. Maybe one for the 'critics accuse'/'lessons will be learned all over again' brigades to trade insults and platitudes over whilst the rest of us get on with our lives.

    However, this one is ongoing.

    '6. At 8:43pm on 25 Feb 2011, nautonier

    Worth a try as some are very conspicuous by their complete absence from the debate and general international activity and our TV screens are saturated with ... Douglas Alexander ... of all people ... can someone tell the BBC that we now have a Coalition govt?

    Seems the media have their priorities straight, and a snappy headline trumps any effort at reporting.

    'Libya: returning Britons say rescue operation 'shambolic''

    Key to this seems to be a mysterious ex-military 'contractor' who feels that evacuations from war zones in excitable areas don't normally involve tension and panic. Especially when the guys in charge are the guys living there. Has he ever been to an airport before?

    And the weather was nasty.

    Somehow, having volunteered to go to the place to work, he suddenly at last gets interested in human rights. Because of a bad day in a terminal. Look out T5 when he gets back.

    And, most damning of all...'one team leader could not even project his voice to give people information.'

    Oh, the inhumanity!

    If this is what is considered suitable journalism and editorial around such an event, then 'shambolic' is something to which the UK MSM can only aspire. But they'll need to climb up to venal en route.

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    When Destiny Dave looked out of those giant posters, and we 'saw that he was good' because his face had been PHOTOSHOPPED, the media settled on 'AIRBRUSHED' a far less drastic alteration.

    Now we have the 7/7 suspect-photos, described as 'CROPPED' over and over again by media, when the truth is they were DEGRADED BEYOND USEFULNESS.

    Anyone who has not done '9/11 studies' should know that American evidence regarding suspects, PRIOR TO 9/11, was apparently 'handled' in a parallel (incongruous) manner, by the CIA.

    FOOLS OR KNAVES? What is the underlying agenda - under the lying?

  • Comment number 31.

    fantastic programme about King James bible, I am not religious but that programme said so much about the English character and it was amarvellous testimony as to how we preserve tradition and things finding their own level. On alighter note Charlie Brooker gets better and better each week it is so funny I have to turn off and the rock n roll thing on BBC 4 with Joe Brown was hilarious especially about the old on..

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    And finally, from today's Independent;

    "Tribalism had failed,Gaddafi declared [in his Green Book],along with parliamentary democracy and class politics. All these must be scrapped and replaced..."Political parties introduce evil in society", he wrote,"and society goes corrupt.Any attempt at this needs to be got rid of.""

    So that's where he got it from!


    Nuff sed.

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    I saw an artefact on TV, from Orkney c 3100 BC. The expert said it was 'Enigmatic Carved Stone'. I recognised it as a 'Thunderbolt' (electric celestial phenomenon).

    The AGW believers need to accept that the Sun is not just heat and light, but a bunch of electrical phenomena. Earth is electrically mediated in complex ways. Stick that in your model and crank it.

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    Hi flicks3. I had read most of it a while back, but sat up late, last night, listening to the man himself. It fits so perfectly with the AE 9/11 demolition evidence. We now have motive (political/commercial) AND OPPORTUNITY! That THE MOB shipped out the debris, is the final exclamation mark!

    And America KNOWS. But as I have posted: it becomes apparent that 'they' did not need a perfect execution, just sufficient shock-n-awe and ensuing obfuscation, to get the NWO juggernaught rolling. Jobsa goodn.

    Meanwhile, I have proved beyond reasonable doubt that The Conservative Party employed a 'false instrument', widely, in the 2010 Election. But Westminster is politically constituted so as to make challenge VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE. You can almost TASTE the similarity. The American, and the British REGIMES, are configured to be self-serving and impregnable. So much for democracy under the rule of law.

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    Dear Kashi, when you reference the ability of others, to your own limited function, you are bound to make errors.

    You have. The clue is a newspaper.

  • Comment number 38.

    James Rickards talks of QE of SDR's not backed by anything for the whole bankrupt world:

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    Quick... Newsnight... get Douglas Alexander back.

    They must have done something wrong. Maybe wrong kind of olives in the in-flight G&T?

    I bet those oil workers were simply livid.

    In case not, I am rather impressed. And relieved.

  • Comment number 40.

    Precious metals expert Bob Chapman yesterday on this Friday's radio show towards the end :-

    "The fact that JP Morgan Chase is offering people, in this case silver contracts to roll their contract forward for a 50% pay off, now that's phenomenal it shows what trouble they're in. This whole thing could take Morgan under. If it takes Morgan down not even under it'll take a number of banks with it, the Comex the LBMA the two ETF's - SLV GLD and it'll probably cripple the derivatives market and options market so that's what it is and that's it explained."

  • Comment number 41.

    Webster Tarpley's take on The Middle East events Saturday February 26, 2011 -

    Click under "Subscribe to the GCN RSS Feed"

  • Comment number 42.

    #39: Ghaddafi to go to the ICC, but Blair and Bush run around scot free?

    "Equal before the Law" my left buttock.

    "Conservative ministers understand that the BBC has to report the cuts, but it wants a more balanced picture."

    because of course the ministers always give a balanced perspective as well? Don't make me laugh, if this was Russia it couldn't be more obvious that this is an attempt to control the broadcaster for purely political reasons. In other countries Human Rights Watch would be downgrading their rating for such a blatant interference with the free media. If this was Venezuela, we would be hearing about how this proves that Chavez is seeking a totalitarian Dictatorship. In the UK, Photo-Shop Dave simply smirks.

    "Oliver, who starts at Downing Street tomorrow, will demand that union leaders and other opponents of belt-tightening are subject to the same intense questioning as ministers. They should be asked to justify why public sector workers should get better pay and pensions than private sector employees who, on average, work longer hours."

    so far, the BBC has not really investigated the long scandal of why the private pension schemes have been downgraded, raided, or outright destroyed under new Labour/Tory "deregulation". It has not investigated why, and who was behind, the UKs opt-out of much of the Social Chapter, that gave workers across the EU rights, including maximum hours. The people who drove our financial system into the ground have not *really* been investigated, who they are friends with, who they went to school with, who signed the Govt contracts they they have benefited from to the tune of uncountable £Bns at the direct expense of the Tax-payers. The BBC has not yet investigated the lunches, executive directorships, the overt if secret corruption of most of the Tory party. There is indeed much the BBC should now investigate. Much that they should ask "union leaders and other opponents of belt-tightening" about.

    Here's a good question - why should normal workers get stiffed the entirely of their working lives, and now retirement, just so the blood-sucking corrupt wealthy who are in charge can add ever more meaningless £Millions into their private tax-havens?

    "Downing Street sees the Corporation as the broadcasting wing of the public sector movement – but it should also, explains one Cabinet minister, be the broadcasting wing of British taxpayers and businesses. But the consequences of high taxes and borrowing – for job creation and our ability to compete with the likes of Germany, France and China – are not explored with a fraction of the enthusiasm with which the BBC investigates the cuts. "

    do the Tories REALLY want to go there? Do they wish to have a full public discussion about WHERE and TO WHOM most of this Govt borrowing is going to? Because the vast majority does not end up in unemployed people's personal Swiss bank accounts.

    if this Govt was REALLY SERIOUS about cutting much of the borrowing, it would use its clout in the City to force a re-evaluation of the PFI schemes that continued the Tories privatisation programs under New Labour, and strip the Corporate dead-wood from the vital Public Services. It would force a re-evaluation of the levels of profitability from Govt contracts with Corporates. It would drastically increase tax levels upon those earning over £100,000/annum, forcing a downwards shift in incomes at the top-end, with a large raise in the minimum wage that would bring in new tax-receipts, certainly far more than any tax-cuts at the top end would.

    do the Tories REALLY want the BBC to examine the State-support that enabled China and Germany to increase and improve their manufacturing? Do they want the BBC to tackle the corruption and nepotism in appointments to Quangoes? Do they want the BBC to investigate the destruction of basic civil society by the vast and growing wealth gap?

    or, wait - let me guess, no to all of the above, they just want the BBC to roll over and be a nice propagandic outlet for this scum Govt, stop telling the truth to the People, and start spreading the fertiliser that comes out of Downing St unquestionably.

    the scum Tories are not even trying to pretend this is anything more than a political appointment to stifle the one single free-outlet of news outside of KKKorporate control.

    Chipmunk Dave and his merry band of Thieves, Robbers and Murderers, just back from selling some more weaponry to other Dictators, must be worried about allowing a free media. I wonder why?

  • Comment number 43.

    the proposed "no-fly zones" for Libya - the truth of how they were used in Iraq under the sanctions regime:

    "Royal Air Force pilots have protested for the first time about their role in the bombing of Iraq. Pilots patrolling the so-called no-fly zone in the north of the country have spoken angrily about how they have been ordered to return to their base in Turkey in order to allow the Turkish air force to bomb the Kurds in Iraq - the very people the British are meant to be "protecting"."

    "In 1991, when President Bush Sr called for the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, he was really inviting Saddam's generals to stage a military coup and install a more malleable dictator. The last thing he wanted was the ensuing popular uprising by the Shi'a in March of that year - which Saddam crushed with helicopter gunships that the US allowed him to fly, and while American commanders denied weapons and equipment to the rebels. An estimated 30,000 people were slaughtered. "We clearly would have preferred a coup. There's no question about that," said Bush's national security adviser Brent Scowcroft".

    revealing comment by D Hurd last night, Hurd regards Iraq as an "experiment", listen to him again! This is how the Tories/new Labour view the world. No doubt the massive privatisation schemes are also "an experiment" in their minds! Actually, i seem to recall even some Davos commentators used that term when describing the Tories intended policies!

    barrie, we don't have "one" more, we have a whole bunch of them.

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    bros: excellent links @ #13 & #15!

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    I see there is a book on surving the FINANCIAL catclysm. The human and cosmic ones will be a bit more challenging.

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    watched a couple of mins of the review show, one quick comment: actually animals DO lie, as anyone who has ever played with a dog/other animal knows. A dog will lie about going for the stick until you do, for instance. Play requires a form of 'fibbing', and animals have that ability. Humans simply take it further than animals, humans deliberately lie to gain benefit, or to harm others, which as far as i am aware animals do not generally do.

    but that Frankenstein play looked interesting anyway.

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    congratulations to Sinn Fein and Gerry Adams in their Irish result, hope they have a more common-sense approach than the ideologues who HAVE been in charge in Ireland.

    Ireland is a prime example of why cuts don't work, and their economy has crashed considerably because of it. Just as the UK is starting to. No wonder the Tories want to control the media we watch and learn from.

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    The annoying thing is: as we have free apeech, no one is listening. In this wretched country, you can't even be martyred for your principles.

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    excellent idea. Unfortunately, many senior Tories, and much of the secret payments to the Tories, come from the large UK landowners. So...!

    #47 lizzie: hopefully. On top of the report's noted worries, the rise in the oil price will also start to impact imports from long distances. Soon, perhaps, the UK and Europe will find it economical to make their own products again - and to make products that last longer than a few weeks.

    it feels like a wash of common-sense arriving in our economies!

  • Comment number 51.

    "One, who only wanted to be known as Rachel, said: “It’s a massive shame. We can do a lot more for the community.

    “We don’t need another Sainsbury’s in Brighton.

    “We had plans to open up a free school, a children’s space and a library for the community. These things are a lot more positive than a Sainsbury’s.”

    how can ANYONE take conmoron's "big society" seriously when the only ones with money, clout and power are the massive KKKorporate chains, who (whilst tax-avoiding) use the authority of the Courts to destroy any Community venture that actually implements the Tories alleged aims?

    not a peep from Tory councillors, or Tory ministers, or Tory anythings, because the Tory bottom-line is KKKorporate wealth, and [bleep] the people.

    what a difference in Brighton if a single Tory stood up for this new Community project, that doesn't want funding, or special rights - just to use this unoccupied building, and to prevent YET ANOTHER supermarket chain on this historic small Street.

    but what Tory would want to lose their 'cred' with the Party by actually BELIEVING in this preposterous "Big Society"?? They would be laughed out of their Masonic meetings.

    "big-up" to the people and community groups who tried, however.

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    superb Anne Frank item on Fri's show. What a terrible world we live in.

  • Comment number 53.

    Police join in Wisconsin protests -

    “Police have just announced to the crowds inside the occupied State Capitol of Wisconsin: ‘We have been ordered by the legislature to kick you all out at 4:00 today. But we know what’s right from wrong. We will not be kicking anyone out, in fact, we will be sleeping here with you!’ Unreal.”

  • Comment number 54.

    So... no wall to wall Douglas Alexander on all the media that gave him hour by hour snipe time to make silly, ill-informed and ill-timed opportunistic points.

    Or disgruntled oil workers unhappy that a C-130 did not have a good choice of in-flight movies.

    Frankly few in the politico-media establishment have done much other than confirm my already low opinion of them.

    The demands of ratings in the odious 24/7 'news' cycle, or sad tribal agendas, means that too many 'media' offer too many folk too many opportunities to spout too early.

    I am relieved and impressed at this operation.

    Less so at the early triumphalism with others still in country.

    But perhaps inevitable with a vulture press who can move from 'why is nothing being done?' to cynically blabbing at the first hint of secret op, no matter what the compromise to others in the future.

  • Comment number 55.

    Matt Taibbi talking with Amy Goodman on Democracy Now :-

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    Think about that Matt Taibbi interview when you hear Cameron, Osborne and Smith talk about the unemployed and benefit changes; 'the deficit'; 'cuts' and 'austerity' and NN doing programs about it facilitating their agenda on what to do about the unemployed. But of course we need to 'move on' from 'blaming' the banks. Well let me inform you Mr Cameron and Co so long as I can blog on here and else where its not going to happen. Repeat - NOT GOING TO HAPPEN !

    People are going to be informed of how Fractional Reserve Banking amounts to embezzlement and how derivatives and no position limits are used to cause price volatility driving the price of food up and making life hell for the public in the Middle East and any poor person in the world.

  • Comment number 57.

    "DAY OF RECKONING" (#56)

    Here here flicks3.

    Billy the Spud spoke of a 'Day of Reckoning to Andrew Marr'. Was it oblique reference to his eponymous International Court!

    Let's never forget it was LOVE OF MONEY that caused the crash, and it was FALSE WITNESS that took this country to war. Some Christians are in for a hard time! (I wonder if absolution works?)

    I shall not 'move on' until those who were 'supremely relaxed' about filthy riches, and those who LIED to us from on high, about WMD, are brought into SHARP FOCUS before the duped millions who carry the cans. Forget the Hague - punishment does not deter the deranged. WE, the nominally sane, must learn the lessons of elevating such needy children to high office,. That way we might learn the error of always GETTING OURSELVES ANOTHER ONE.

    In passing: Hague jovially pointed out that Dave is in close contact when abroad; he is in full control. Of course, strutting and clasping, in a feudal world, can only be achieved by air miles, so modern communication does not work the other way.

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    A MASTER MACHIAVELLIAN MOVE? (expansion of #57)

    I am of the firm view that Tony KNOWS WHAT HE HAS DONE - ALL OF IT.
    I also believe that this needy child had not the maturity to resist the pull of fame, adulation and riches.

    I used to wonder at his, high profile, sideways step to the Roman Church, but in view of the ease of forgiveness-of-sins, offered therein, I now see a sound motive.


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    Why does Ed always say that? All too often, the lender's terms will cripple the borrower, should luck change. And now that we know electronic money is not worth the Scotch Mist it's digitised on, no one is safe.

    Is Ed dangerously delusional?

  • Comment number 60.

    The Human Planet Excellent, Wild China Excellent, Making Scotlands Landscape Excellent, A History of Ancient Britain Excellent, Madagascar Excellent

    Politics on the BBC Poor

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    Everything is 'fronted'. Documentaries used to employ 'voice over'.
    Anything done by Attenborough IS Attenborough!

    And if I see another cultic individual, filmed by a helicopter - like as not - staring up, out, round and about, WITH A SHOULDER BAG, I shall seek euthanasia more diligently.

    The politicians are a branch of showbiz - they deserve what they get. nature needs no affronting fronting.

  • Comment number 62.

    Politicians do Deserve, They Deserve The Sack

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    So will Roger Ailes the Fox News boss be indicted and what is homeland security directly related with Err could that be 9/11 ?

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    When the establishment eats Hydrogen Sulphide and breathes Methane, there is no chance of survival - let alone conducive function - of any light-loving, air-breathing individual.

    All one can say of global power/money/commerce/politics is: IT STINKS.

    What is not apparent, within the lie, is that Billy the Spud reporting Gaddafi to the Hague, is a case of 'fart call belch smelly'.

    In passing: why is killing YOUR OWN more heinous than killing Johnnie Foreigner? Have I been reading my Bible upside-down again?

  • Comment number 65.

    How banks and investors are starving the third world by Ellen Brown :-

    "Nomi Prins, writing in Mother Jones in 2008, also blamed the price hikes on speculation. She observed that agricultural futures and energy futures were being packaged and sold just like CDOs (collateralized debt obligations), but in this case they were called CCOs (collateralized commodity obligations). The higher the price of food, the more CCO investors profited."

    'So lets move on from the banks' Mr Cameron says.

  • Comment number 66.

    Close the London Loophole Act of 2008

    “Closing the London loophole would ensure that our government has what it needs to protect American markets from manipulation and excessive speculation, no matter where U.S. energy commodities are traded,” said Senator Levin."

    "This bill never became law."

  • Comment number 67.

    Barrie they're all breathing loony lawless gas; bring your on air supply to stay normal in loony lawless land.

  • Comment number 68.

    This is surprising, british asians are the ones who want all immigration stopped permanently, or at least until the economy picks up.

  • Comment number 69.


    If Obama signed a loophole-closing measure that damaged the interests of those who, previously, bought him his throne, he would be signing his termination slip. Likewise Dodgy Dave.

    Needy juveniles strive for power, but the immature lack the self-discipline required for constraints of honour and altruism. Hence we see power without responsibility; dishonour without shame. Westminster is full of them.


  • Comment number 70.


    That does it Lizzy. I'm part of a measly 10%. Or might the figures have a lot to do with gutless liars?

    The question they don't ask: "On a scale of 1 to 10, how truthful are people when they respond to ethnicity related questions?"

    Nuff sed.

  • Comment number 71.

    Protests Spread To Vietnam :-

    "keeping in mind that as Nomura predicted, a shut down in Algerian and Libyan oil production is all that is needed for crude to hit $220, we now look forward to Venezuela to join the revolutionary ranks, with the culmination being when Afghanistan and Pakistan, and associated nukes, go in play. "

  • Comment number 72.


    US Ambassador to UN Security Council - Susan Rice - says: "Those who SLAUGHTER CIVILIANS will be held, personally, to account". Will that include Iain Duncan Smith and Tony?

    I think she must be a mate of Billy the Spud. It's just a game to them, isn't it.

  • Comment number 73.

    Some good news! Speed limits to be raised to 80mph!

    Personally I'd prefer the autobahn system, but, it's a step in the right direction :o)

  • Comment number 74.


    If I were a cynic, I would guess someone has calculated the greater tax revenue from vehicle fuel.

    First law of Mammo-dynamics: 'Employee kudos is directly proportional to distance travelled'.

    Nuff sed.

  • Comment number 75.

    Just come across this singer - she is good :-

  • Comment number 76.

    39. At 6:44pm on 26 Feb 2011, JunkkMale wrote:

    Quick... Newsnight... get Douglas Alexander back.

    They must have done something wrong. Maybe wrong kind of olives in the in-flight G&T?

    I bet those oil workers were simply livid.

    In case not, I am rather impressed. And relieved.


    Perhaps Douglas Alexander should consider why Britain now has hundreds and thousands of its citizens scattered around and possibly stranded in Libya ... and that is because the previous New same Old New Labour govt gave those ex-pats a false sense of security about Libya and its despotic regime ... and a lot more common sense, integrity and awareness was required in the dealings between Britain and Libya in recent years as to the possible consequences of the Gaddafi regime disintegrating into chaos ... some would say this is hindsight ... but plenty like me have been writing for a couple of years about the dangerous nature of the New Labours wheeling and dealing in Libya ...

    Alexander is sounding more and more ridiculous... he thinks Britian should be invading Libya or something ... I think we should send Alexander in for action ... let him drop by parachute into Tripoli and sort them out ... Go get em' Braveheart!

  • Comment number 77.

    Douglas Alexander is a whinging ****? Maybe? Just testing the 'profanity filter'

  • Comment number 78.

    #58 barrie: ponder something deeper, what IF the Lord High Blair was *already* a Catholic before his 'ascension', but waited until he left office to admit it publicly? This scoundrel may have had more than a few masters. And he would have been barred from being PM if he had come out Publicklybefore - [i think] it is illegal to be a Catholic PM in Britain. Due to undue influence of the war-mongering Vatican Regime.

    #59: but does Ed still mean it? or is the "investment" he talks about now the same again as New Labour - investment in the bonuses of Bankers, who give nice yachting holidays?

    flicks3: superb links, very informative. (not yet watched vid though).

    Barrie, are you also going to spoil edl's "partygames"? Just wondering..?

  • Comment number 79.

    #68 lizzie:

    - "Some 39% of Asian Britons, 34% of white Britons and 21% of black Britons now believe all immigration into the UK should be stopped permanently, or at least until the UK's economic situation improves."

    not that surprising actually, many of the Asians interviewed on NN and spoken on QT have said the same opinion. Brutally, many of them are worried further large scale immigration will push the white population into seeking the far-right. They do not want the UK to behave as Nazi Germany did. Most normal people also agree with that. Anyone who does not should visit Auschwitz, imho.

    - "Meanwhile, 52% of Britons agree with the proposition "Muslims create problems in the UK","

    that question can be divided. If it was "Asians" instead, would the number change? Or if the question was "Do you think young asian males cause more problems than young white males", what would be the answer?

    also more interesting would be a question; "Did Muslims create as many problems in the UK before 9/11 and its repercussions, in your opinion?".

    in fact, in any logical answer to the original question, it would be 100%. It would also be 100% for ALL groups, including wonderful little old ladies with handbags.

    - "43% of Asian Britons, 63% of white Britons and 17% of black Britons agree with the proposition that "on the whole, immigration into Britain has been a bad thing for the country"."

    i would love to see the numbers to the question "on the whole, the Ruling Class of Britain has been a bad thing for the country.".. ?

    - "In addition, 48% of Britons say they would consider supporting a new far right-wing party, if it shunned violence and fascist imagery."

    they did. They voted Tory. Or do they mean a far-right party LIKE the Tories?

    no doubt it will be like the Danish People's Party, a rabidly anti-Moslem party that was elected upon the platforms of maintaining the Danish Welfare system, whilst restricting the human rights of Moslems, and of course in their actions only do the latter, being actually happy with the Welfare cuts as such poverty feeds into greater anti-immigrant racial sentiment... they ARE Right-Wing, y'know! This is probably exactly how the edl intend to rise to power. Expect a barrage of propaganda about how they oppose the cuts now, and culture-hate second. We already saw the clumsy propaganda in that edl report in January. I wonder if they will march in the City to demonstrate their new message?

    - "A new politics of identity, culture, and nation has grown out of the politics of race and immigration, and is increasingly the opinion driver in modern British politics."

    and who gave two [bleeps] about race/culture 12 years ago? The tabloids have pumping this fertiliser for YEARS, by coincidence when it became obvious the new "grow forever on inflated debt" wasn't going to actually work.

    my generation had almost as many immigrants, and we didn't worry about our "identity" - WE KNEW. We still know. And we wonder about where this worry about a mystical thing called "kulchah" comes from. And we note the attacks on living standards of the majority, and we see a deliberate campaign to use 'Fear of the Other' to blind us to what is going on. And we know full well the origins of this fake 'Fear' and its intended effect. The "drivers" of this "new politics" are blindingly obvious, in fact.

    - "The cherished "middle ground" of British politics is occupied by two of these groups; the cultural integrationists, motivated by authority and order; and identity ambivalents, who are concerned about their economic security and social change. Together they make up 52% of the population."

    in other words, those who still believe in Mother Russia and Stalin (ooops, silly me, i meant UK and cameron), combined with those worried about their future, the future, and have the feeling of "wanting less competitors", without really hating anyone or thinking about what this would mean in concrete terms.

    - "The current failure of the political mainstream risks pushing the identity ambivalents to the right, unless they tackle the social and economic insecurity which dominates their attitudes. This is a challenge for the current government – which is implementing deep spending cuts – and for the Labour Party, which is the traditional home of many of these voters. Almost half of all voters who do not identify with a party are identity ambivalents."

    to put that into english, he means that the behaviour and policies of the Tories and New Labour (both tWoT cheer-leaders) have destroyed the real economy badly. And the lack of a credible alternative may push many voters to the far-right.

    - "Our report reveals a clear correlation between economic pessimism and negative attitudes towards immigration. The more pessimistic people are about their own economic situation and their prospects for the future, the more hostile their attitudes are to new and old immigrants. The means test appears to have a greater impact upon attitudes towards integration and identity than the cricket test."

    no doubt mirrored in Minority groups.

    - "Despite the challenging nature of the report, there is much which is positive. Political violence is strongly opposed. Over two-thirds of people view "English nationalist extremists" and "Muslim extremists" as bad as each other. There is a real appetite for a positive campaigning organisation that opposes political extremism through bringing communities together.

    - But at its heart, Fear and Hope exposes the dangers that lie ahead if the issues highlighted in the research are not addressed. It throws down a challenge to the political parties to really understand what is happening in the body politic and then do something about it."

    it is possible our "Leaders" are well aware of the effects of their current and planned policies, and are not unhappy to have public anger thrown at racial groups rather than the wealthy. They may have stupid policies, but they are not stupid.

    - "The future is unwritten and it is all to play for. If we can understand the new politics of identity, then we can win them over. If we fail to do so then we risk their fear turning to hate. It is the challenge we all face, and one we can no longer afford to ignore."

    i am left wondering if this last was editor written? "We" and "Them"?? Completely debases the whole article. People are worried, full stop. The people who do not follow or understand the complex economics of what has happened, still 'need' to blame someone. Naturally, the last thing the wealthy owners and editors of the national media want to happen is their own affairs come under scrutiny. So the mass-media find a scapegoat, in the 30s it was Jews, Gypsies, Anarchists and union members, today it is Muslims, Jews, Immigrants In General, the BBC, Whistle-blowers, union-members, Anarchists, and the Poor.

    trust me, if it weren't for all these people, the UK would be an absolute Paradise. You do, btw, still have the Bankers and Corrupt Politicians however..

    yes, People are worried about their lives, and know the coming cuts will impact their lifestyles possible tremendously. Of COURSE they are concerned about "identity"!!! People are also concerned with the loss of "identity" to new electronic media. They are also concerned because the media have been shouting the message "not enough to go around for everyone". Such messages are intended to turn the population upon weaker minorities. The Nazis used the same technique, and it has been used in virtually EVERY civil war that has happened since. It destroyed Jugoslavia.

    here is the truth: the UK has more of everything now than we did 50 years ago. The only reason it appears there "is not enough" is because the wealthy are not paying ANY taxes. Dragging your neighbours to concentration camps is not going to change that. Deny people rights based upon culture or race is not going to change that.

    this was shoddy journalism from the Guardian, i'm afraid.

    still, a change of read for you there, Lizzie? Turning Liberal?? :D

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  • Comment number 84.

    #33 kash:

    of course, that was before he ordered the machine-gunning of crowds.

    @#83 and current topics in the Middle East generally:

    hopefully now these Nations and Peoples will get this chance.

  • Comment number 85.

    Sorry for all the reading, hope at least some of it is found interesting.

    for any Israelis following this blog:

    please scroll down for the discussion, they are very inspirational.


  • Comment number 86.

    alex salmond: as the most trusted Uk political leader, why don't you form a new party, the BDL, (British Defence League), and defend the Union with good policies? You'd be widely electable even in England

    [ducks and covers]!

  • Comment number 87.

    76 did you say douglast A was a BraveFart

    I Suggest Less of The Brave Just The Other with More Wind

  • Comment number 88.


    I remember Tony had a penchant for such behaviour. When Dodgy Dave manipilated Nick, to gain the throne, did we grant him this power?


  • Comment number 89.

    JC with jp last night's Date

    Does 11 look like 2

    JC with the Wrong barmaid and Jag the Wrong Beat

  • Comment number 90.


    If you are worried about 'men behaving badly', pop inside your own head and ask: "Could it happen here?" Auschwitz was a symptom, of a ubiquitous disease, that opportunistically manifested on the body-Germanic. While the Ape Confused by Language remains stubbornly immature, there is no remedy. Boys are spiteful.

    It's an opinion - probably not humble.

  • Comment number 91.


    If you can find, define and address 'IT' Mork, I shall rename you Kipling's A de C.

    I suspect the EDL is also ephemeral. But who cares?

  • Comment number 92.

    CountryFile ? Yesterday

    BOOtifull Evesham, Young Folk CountryWide OutPriced BY the Rich

    Eat The Rich or Boot The Local Council/Goverment

    or Do As The French

    The Local Born And Bread Are Dumped On in A Continuesss Manner

    Time To DUMP on Politicians, Nevermind Eggs Try Dog Curd And Tonic Without The Tonic

    Anyone for A T

  • Comment number 93.


    Too much #79 imho info Mork.

    My view is that when Britain gets seriously stressed (money/work etc) we have all the factors in place for bloody mayhem, Balkans style.

  • Comment number 94.

    WHAT Does There Has Been An Unexpected Problem

    Please RELoad And Try Again.

    The Profanity Filter Is Working Well Auntie Don't You Stink

    my smelling is Terrible Don't You Think

    Which Boar Do We Reload With

  • Comment number 95.

    Frozen The Colon's ASSets, Is That A First

    Terrorist Criminals Drugdealer's etc

    Have had their Money Protected Here For Years

    Its Got NOTHING 2 Do with BACKHANDERS Does It

    captain hook his property his money Paid for By The Very Intelligent

    Taxpayer (wish i was intelligent)

  • Comment number 96.


    Ay caramba! You got that right Mork.

    TV with hundreds of alien channels; A 'CANNULA' TO THE PSYCHE OF EVERY HOME.
    Bullying and humiliation as entertainment.
    Show biz as documentary and news.
    Celebrity before all else, across all Indiscipline’s.
    Conspicuous consumption as self-validation.
    Travel as the modern St Vitus' dance.
    Freakishness masquerading as art (Gibbon).
    Woe-men elevated as role models to emergent women.
    The aberrant seen as the peak of human attainment.
    Alcohol used by young women to self-destruct while providing employment and tax.
    High speed trains taken to distant jobs while becoming obese.
    A Manglish speaker for every service job.

    The list is not exhaustive . . .

  • Comment number 97.

    Some Friends some years Ago bought A property in S France 70K

    Spent 40K on it

    Some Years Later They Sold for 120K

    Now and Then that same Property here Would be Screaming 2ward The Million

    Would We Be Better Served Buy French Politicians

    I Don't Agree with Their Cure for DandRuff

  • Comment number 98.


    Hard to believe. Andrew Marr is discussing 'straight faced' Gaddafi getting into daft wars for dumb reasons.


  • Comment number 99.

    96 Its Depressing But That Could Be A Yes Guess

    Blame The Butler and Shoot The Joanna Player

    or just BullDoze The Houses of Smells in2 The Thames

    Job Dun

  • Comment number 100.

    The Kings Speech Deserved The Bakers Dozen

    Dunno What That Is In Decibells

    Its Loud


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